HC Deb 30 March 1979 vol 965 cc880-95

As amended, further considered.

Question again proposed, That the clause be read a Second time.

Mr. Powell

I am obliged to the Minister and I take the point that credit unions should have some flexibility, particularly not to distribute up to the last penny, as it were, under the terms of the new clause. On the other hand, it appears that there is no limitation in subsection (6), so that, at any rate theoretically, that subsection might enable a credit union to go to the opposite extreme and to pursue a policy of accumulation. It would presumably be entitled to apply the accumulated funds in various ways and thus substantially to alter the character of the operations which are normal to a credit union.

We are obviously at a late stage in our consideration of the Bill in this House, but that is the point which aroused my attention in subsection (6). Perhaps, as the Bill goes on its way elsewhere, the right hon. Gentleman will be able to give consideration to that.

Mr. Denzil Davies

I take the right hon. Gentleman's point that one would not wish subsection (6) to be used as a kind of accumulation provision. I do not know exactly what the powers of the registrar would be in that situation, but I will certainly look into the point to see whether, even at this late stage, we can satisfy ourselves that that is not the effect of the subsection.

I am happy to accept amendment No. 4, which is taken with amendments Nos. 5 and 17 in the name of my hon. Friend the Member for Farnworth (Mr. Roper). I think that the hon. and learned Member for Dover and Deal (Mr. Rees) has said that he does not object to them. I should therefore be happy to recommend their acceptance.

I think that we have now gone part of the way, if not all the way, to meet the point in amendments Nos. 23 and 24 by redrafting clause 13 and making it clear that it is subject to clause 1. I hope that the hon. and learned Member will feel that he need not press those amendments in view of the new clause.

Question put and agreed to.

Clause read a Second time.

Amendment (a) proposed, in subsection (4), leave out 'six' and insert ' eight'.— [Mr. Pavitt.]

Mr. Deputy Speaker (Mr. Oscar Murton)

Perhaps I should inform the hon. Gentleman that Mr. Speaker did not select this amendment for Division, but only for discussion.

Mr. Pavitt

On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker. At the outset of the debate I requested that you would reconsider these matters, since they have been accepted by both sides of the House, and that you would consider allowing a debate, and if necessary a vote, on them.

Mr. Powell

On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker. Is it not possible for you, in circumstances in which the Government have expressed their readiness to accept an amendment which has been debated, to facilitate the business of the House by permitting the hon. Member in whose name it stands to move it?

Mr. Deputy Speaker

That can be done, and I will use my discretion in the matter.

Amendment agreed to.

Clause, as amended, added to the Bill.

  1. New Clause 5
    1. cc881-3
    2. INSURANCE AGAINST FRAUD OR OTHER DISHONESTY 682 words
  2. Clause 1
    1. cc883-4
    2. REGISTRATION OF CREDIT UNIONS UNDER THE INDUSTRIAL AND PROVIDENT SOCIETIES ACT 1965 168 words
  3. Clause 5
    1. c884
    2. MEMBERSHIP AND VOTING RIGHTS 263 words
  4. Clause 6
    1. cc884-7
    2. MINIMUM AND MAXIMUM NUMBER OF MEMBERS 732 words
  5. Clause 7
    1. c887
    2. SHARES AND DIVIDENDS 16 words
  6. Clause 8
    1. c887
    2. DEPOSIT TAKING 16 words
  7. Clause 9
    1. cc887-9
    2. POWER TO BORROW MONEY 695 words
  8. Clause 13
    1. c889
    2. APPLICATION OF FUNDS AND GENERAL RESERVE 15 words
  9. Clause 17
    1. cc889-91
    2. POWER TO SUSPEND OPERATIONS OF CREDIT UNION 637 words
  10. Clause 18
    1. c891
    2. CANCELLATION OR SUSPENSION OF REGIS TRATION AND PETITION FOR WINDING UP 30 words
  11. Clause 25
    1. cc891-2
    2. PROVISIONS AS TO OFFENCES 196 words
  12. Clause 28
    1. c892
    2. INTERPRETATION, ETC. 279 words
  13. Clause 30
    1. c893
    2. SHORT TITLE, COMMENCEMENT AND EXTENT 154 words
  14. Schedule 1
    1. cc893-5
    2. MATTERS TO BE PROVIDED FOR IN RULES OF CREDIT UNION 589 words
  15. Schedule 2
    1. c895
    2. PROCEDURE IN RELATION TO DIRECTIONS UNDER SECTION 17 85 words
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