HC Deb 19 June 1973 vol 858 cc360-1
15. Mr. Carter-Jones

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he will consider as a basis for action the report commissioned from the Economist Intelligence Unit by the National Fund for Research into Crippling Diseases, entitled "Care with Dignity", a copy of which has been sent to him; and if he will make a statement.

Sir K. Joseph

I would refer the hon. Member to my reply to the hon. Member for Manchester, Wythenshawe (Mr. Alfred Morris) on 24th May.—[Vol. 857, c. 122–3.]

Mr. Carter-Jones

The best is the enemy of the good. What is required for the disabled and the aged is the best. At present we are not supplying it. The public should be convinced by education and publicity of the need to spend a great deal more money to provide people with good domiciliary services, with adequate home helps, adequate supplies of food, adequate money and plenty of technical back-up. Will the right hon. Gentleman please give priority to this matter?

Sir K. Joseph

The neglect of generations has left us short of services to support the disabled and their families in their homes and services to look after people who cannot go on living in their homes. It is not a question of "either/ or". We want plenty more of each.

Mr. Astor

I recognise what my right hon. Friend has done for the benefit of disabled people, but I emphasise the evidence produced in the report which shows that it is more economical and satisfactory for disabled people to live at home with their families than in institutions.

Sir K. Joseph

We are short of services for those who live at home and of homes for those who cannot live at home, and we need more of both.

Mr. Alfred Morris

The right hon. Gentleman referred to an earlier reply to me. Is he aware that I found that reply unconstructive and deeply disappointing? Will he at least agree to meet representatives of the National Fund for Research into Crippling Diseases to discuss the recommendations of the report?

Sir K. Joseph

I do not know why the hon. Gentleman used the words "at least". I seldom, if ever, refuse an opportunity to meet those who are interested in the subjects for which I have responsibility. Of course I will meet the representatives if they ask me to do so, but they have not asked.

Dr. Stuttaford

Does my right hon. Friend agree that we are not doing enough research into crippling diseases and that far too many children are being born disabled who might have had a normal life were the maternity services of the National Health Service brought up to the standards which operate in the private service?

Sir K. Joseph

I cannot accept my hon. Friend's contrast between the public and private service. Advances are beginning to be made which may increase the potential for prevention, but they are not such possibilities that can be used wholesale at this stage.