HC Deb 28 May 1968 vol 765 cc1549-53

[2ND ALLOTTED DAY]

Order read for resuming adjourned de-date on Amendment proposed [27th May], on Consideration of Bill, as amended in the Standing Committee.

Which Amendment was, in page 40, line 30, to leave out the word 'any' and insert 'related' instead thereof.

Question again proposed.

4.5 p.m.

Mr. Speaker

The time for the conclusion of the proceedings on Part III of the Bill has passed, so I will now put the Question on Amendment No. 113, which stands first on the Notice Paper in the name of the hon. Member for Glasgow, Cathcart (Mr. Edward M. Taylor). I shall then put forthwith the Question on any other Amendment to Part III which is moved by a member of the Government.

Mr. Peter Walker (Worcester)

On a point of order, Mr. Speaker. I realise that it is no fault of the Government, but one-third of the time allocated to Part III of the Bill has been taken up by the previous proceedings. This means that the question of the National Bus Company, which will have borrowing powers of £130 million, will not be debated.

Would it not be possible for the Government to move a new sittings Motion to enable proper discussion of this matter to take place?

Mr. Speaker

I am not without sympathy with the hon. Gentleman, but this, again, is a matter for the Government and not for me.

Mr. R. H. Turton (Thirsk and Malton)

With great respect, Mr. Speaker, we are working to a Motion, passed by the House, which says: … each part of the Proceedings shall, if not previously brought to a conclusion, be brought to a conclusion at the time specified in the third column of that table ". Part III was not previously brought to a conclusion, the time specified in the third part of the table has been passed, and I therefore submit that this Order of the House is null and void by reason of what has happened.

Mr. Speaker

I am sure that the right hon. Gentleman, the Father of the House, is not unaware that Mr. Speaker had already considered the problem this morning. Earlier this afternoon we gave a certain item precedence over the Orders of the Day. It is my duty now to finish with Part III at the earliest possible moment after four o'clock.

Question put, That the Amendment be made: —

The House divided: Ayes 231, Noes 282.

Division No. 183.] AYES [4.10 p.m.
Alison, Michael (Barkston Ash) Brown, Sir Edward (Bath) Deedes, Rt. Hn. W. F. (Ashford)
Allason, James (Hemel Hempstead) Bruce-Gardyne, J. Digby, Simon Wingfietd
Astor, John Bryan, Paul Dodds-Parker, Douglas
Atkins, Humphrey (M't'n & M'd'n) Buchanan-Smith,Alick (Angus, N&M) Doughty, Charles
Awdry, Daniel Buck, Antony (Colchester) Drayson, G. B.
Baker, Kenneth (Acton) Bullus, Sir Eric du Cann, Rt. Hn. Edward
Baker, W. H. K. (Banff) Burden, F. A. Eden, Sir John
Balniel, Lord Campbell, Gordon Elliot, Capt. Walter (Carshalton)
Batsford, Brian Carlisle, Mark Elliott, R.W.(N'c'tle-uponTyne,N.)
Beamish, Col. Sir Tufton Carr, Rt. Hn. Robert Emery, Peter
Bell, Ronald Cary, Sir Robert Errington, Sir Eric
Bennett, Sir Frederic (Torquay) Chichester-Clark, R. Ewing, Mrs. Winifred
Bennett, Dr. Reginald (Cos. & Fhm) Clark, Henry Eyre, Reginald
Berry, Hn. Anthony Clegg, Walter Farr, John
Bessell, Peter Cooke, Robert Fisher, Nigel
Biffen, John Corfleld, F. V. Fletcher-Cooke, Charles
Biggs-Davison, John Costain, A. P. Fortoscue, Tim
Birch, Rt. Hn. Nigel Craddock, Sir Beresford (Spelthorne) Foster, Sir John
Black, Sir Cyril Crosthwaite-Eyre, Sir Oliver Fraser, Rt. Hn. Hugh (St'fford & Stone)
Blaker, Peter Crouch, David Galbraith, Hn. T. G.
Boardman, Tom (Leicester, S.W.) Crowder, F. P. Gibson-Watt, David
Body, Richard Cunningham, Sir Knox Giles, Rear-Adm. Morgan
Bossom, Sir Clive Currie, G. B. H. Gilmour, Ian (Norfolk, C.)
Boyle, Rt. Hn. Sir Edward Dalkeith, Earl of Glyn, Sir Richard
Braine, Bernard Dance, James Goodhart, Philip
Brewis, John Davidson,James (Aberdeenshire,W.) Gower, Raymond
Brinton, Sir Titton d'Avigclor-Goldsmid, Sir Henry Grant, Anthony
Bromley-Daverport, Lt.-Col. Sir Walter Dean, Paul (Somerset, N.) Grant-Ferris, R.
Gresham Cooke, R. Lubbock, Eric Rossi, Hugh (Hornsey)
Grieve, Percy McAdden, Sir Stephen Royle, Anthony
Griffiths, Eldon (Bury St. Edmunds) MacArthur, Ian Russell, Sir Ronald
Grimond, Rt. Hn. J. Mackenzie, Alasdair (Ross&Crom'ty) Scott, Nicholas
Gurden, Harold Maclean, Sir Fitzroy Scott-Hopkins, James
Hall, John (Wycombe) Macleod, Rt. Hn. lain Sharpies, Richard
Hall-Davis, A. G. F. McMaster, Stanley Shaw, Michael (Sc'b'gh & Whitby)
Hamilton, Michael (Salisbury) Macmillan, Maurice (Farnham) Silvester, Frederick
Harris, Frederic (Croydon, N. W.) Maddan, Martin Sinclair, Sir George
Harrison, Brian (Maldon) Maginnis, John E. Smith, Dudley (W'wick & L'mington)
Harrison, Col. Sir Harwood (Eye) Marples, Rt. Hn. Ernest Smith, John (London & W'minster)
Harvey, Sir Arthur Vere Marten, Neil Speed, Keith
Harvie Anderson, Miss Mawby, Ray Stainton, Keith
Hawkins, Paul Maydon, Lt.-Cmdr. S. L. C. Steel, David (Roxburgh)
Hay, John Maydon, Lt.-Cmdr. S. L. C. Steel, David (Roxburgh)
Heald, Rt. Hn. Sir Lionel Mills Peter (Torrington) Stodart, Anthony
Heath, Rt. Hn. Edward Mills, Stratton (Belfast, N.) Stoddart-Scott, Col. Sir M. (Ripon)
Heseltine, Michael Mitchell, David (Basingstoke) Tapsell, Peter
Higgins, Terence L. Monro, Hector Taylor, Sir Charles (Eastbourne)
Hiley, Joseph Montgomery, Fergus Taylor, Edward M. (G'gow, Cathcart)
Hill, J. E. B. Morgan, Geraint (Denbigh) Taylor, Frank (Moss Side)
Morrison, Charles (Devizes)
Hogg, Rt. Hn. Quintin Mott-Raddyffe, Sir Charles Teeling, Sir William
Holland, Philip Munro-Lucas-Tooth, Sir Hugh Temple, John M.
Hooson, Emlyn Murton, Oscar Thorpe, Rt. Hn. Jeremy
Hordern, Peter Neave, Airey Turton, Rt. Hn. R. H.
Hornby, Richard Nicholls, Sir Harmar Vaughan-Morgan, Rt. Hn. Sir John
Howell, David (Guildford) Noble, Rt. Hn. Michael Vickers, Dame Joan
Hunt, John Nott, John Wainwright, Richard (Colne Valley)
Hutchison, Michael Clark Onslow Cranley Walker, Peter (Worcester)
Iremonger, T. L. Orr Capt L. P. S. Walker-Smith, Rt. Hn. Sir Derek
Irvine, Bryant Godman (Rye) Orr-Ewing, Sir Ian Wall, Patrick
Jenkin, Patrick (Woodford) Osborne, Sir Cyril (Louth) Walters, Dennis
Jennings, J. C. (Burton) Page, Graham (Crosby) Webster, David
Johnson Smith, G. (E. Grinstead) Page, John (Harrow, W.) Wells, John (Maidstone)
Jones, Arthur (Northants, S.) Pearson, Sir Frank (Clitheroe) Whitelaw, Rt. Hn. William
Kaberry, Sir Donald Peel, John Williams, Donald (Dudley)
Kerby, Capt. Henry Peyton, John Wills, Sir Gerald (Bridgwater)
Kershaw, Anthony Pike, Miss Mervyn Wilson, Geoffrey (Truro)
Kimball, Marcus Pink, R. Bonner Winstanley, Dr. M. P.
King, Evelyn (Dorset, S.) Pounder, Rafton Wolrige-Gordon, Patrick
Kirk, Peter Powell, Rt. Hn. J. Enoch Wood, Rt. Hn. Richard
Kitson, Timothy Price, David (Eastleigh) Woodnutt, Mark
Lambton, Viscount Prior, J. M. L. Worsley, Marcus
Lancaster, Col. C. G. Pym, Francis Wright, Esmond
Lane, David Quennell, Miss J. M. Wylie, N. R.
Langford-Holt, Sir John Rawlinson, Rt. Hn. Sir Peter Younger, Hn. George
Legge-Bourke, Sir Harry Renton, Rt. Hn. Sir David
Lewis, Kenneth (Rutland) Rhys Williams, Sir Brandon TELLERS FOR THE AYES:
Lloyd, Rt. Hn. Geofrrey (Sut'nC'dfield) Ridley, Hn. Nicholas Mr. Jasper More and Mr. Bernard Weatherill.
Lloyd, Ian (P'tsm'th, Langstone) Ridsdale, Julian
Longden, Gilbert Rodgers, Sir John (Sevenoaks)
NOES
Abse, Leo Brown, Bob (N'c'tle-upon-Tyne, W.) Dell, Edmund
Albu, Austen Brown, Hugh D. (G'gow, Provan) Dempsey, James
Allaun, Frank (Salford, E.) Brown, R. W. (Shoreditch & F'bury) Dewar, Donald
Altdritt, Walter Buchan, Norman Diamond, Rt. Hn. John
Anderson, Donald Buchanan, Richard (G'gow, Sp'burn) Dickens, James
Archer, Peter Butler, Herbert (Hackney, C.) Dobson, Ray
Armstrong, Ernest Butler, Mrs. Joyce (Wood Green) Doig, Peter
Atkins, Ronald (Preston, N.) Cant, R. B. Driberg, Tom
Atkinson, Norman (Tottenham) Carmichael, Neil Dunnett, Jack
Bacon, Rt. Hn. Alice Carter-Jones, Lewis Dunwoody, Dr. John (F'th & C'b'e)
Barnes, Michael Castle, Rt. Hn. Barbara Eadie, Alex
Barnett, Joel Chapman, Donald Edwards, Robert (Bilston)
Baxter, Wiliam Coe, Denis Edwards, William (Merioneth)
Beaney, Alan Coleman, Donald Ellis, John
Bence, Cyril Concannon, J. D. English, Michael
Benn, Rt. Hn. Anthony Wedgwood Conlan, Bernard Ennals, David
Bennett, James (G'gow, Bridgeton) Corbet, Mrs. Freda Ensor, David
Bidwell, Sydney Craddock, George (Bradford, S.) Evans, Albert (Islington, S.W.)
Bishop, E. S. Crawshaw, Richard Evans, loan L. (Birm'h'm, Yardley)
Blackburn, F. Crostand, Rt. Hn. Anthony Fernyhough, E.
Blenkinsop, Arthur Cullen, Mrs. Alice Fletcher, Raymond (Ilkeston)
Boardman, H. (Leigh) Dalyell, Tarn Fletcher, Ted (Darlington)
Booth, Albert Davidson, Arthur (Accrington) Foley, Maurice
Bottomley, Rt. Hn. Arthur Davies, Ednyfed Hudton (Conway) Foot, Rt. Hn. Sir Dingle (Ipswich)
Boyden, James Davies, G. Elfed (Rhondda, E.) Foot, Michael (Ebbw Vale)
Braddock, Mrs. E. M. Davies, Dr. Ernest (Stretford) Ford, Ben
Bradley, Tom Davies, Harold (Leek) Forrester, John
Bray, Dr. Jeremy Davies, Ifor (Gower) Fraser, John (Norwood)
Brooks, Edwin Davies, S. O. (Merthyr) Galpern, Sir Myer
Brown, Rt. Hn. George (Beiper) Delargy, Hugh Gardner, Tony
Garrett, W. E. Lomas, Kenneth Randall, Harry
Ginsburg, David Loughlin, Charles Rankin, John
Gray, Dr. Hugh (Yarmouth) Luard, Evan Rees, Merlyn
Gregory, Arnold Mabon, Dr. J. Dickson Reynolds, G. W.
Grey, Charles (Durham) McBritle, Neil Rhodes, Geoffrey
Griffiths, David (Bother Valley) MacColl, James Richard, Ivor
Griffiths, Rt. Hn. James (Llanelly) MacDermot, Niall Roberts, Albert (Normanton)
Griffiths, Will (Exchange) Macdonald, A. H. Roberts, Gwilym (Bedfordshire, S.)
Gunter, Rt. Hn. R. J. McKay, Mrs. Margaret Robertson, John (Paisley)
Hamilton, James (Bothwell) Mackenzie, Gregor (Rutherglen) Robinson, Rt, Hn. Kenneth (St. P'c'as)
Hamilton, William (Fife, W.) Mackie, John Robinson, W. O. J. (Walth'stow, E.)
Hamling, William Mackintosh, John P. Rodgers, William (Stockton)
Hannan, William Maclerman, Robert Rose, Paul
Harper, Joseph MacMillan, Malcolm (Western Isles) Ross, Rt. Hn. William
Harrison, Walter (Wakefield) McMillan, Tom (Glasgow, C.) Sheldon, Robert
Hart, Rt. Hn. Judith McNamara, J. Kevin Shinwell, Rt. Hn. E.
Haseldine, Norman MacPherson Malcolm Shore, Rt. Hn. Peter (Stepney)
Hattersley, Roy Mahon, Peter (Preston, S.) Short, Rt. Hn. Edward (N'c'tle-u-Tyne)
Hazell, Bert Mahon, Simon (Bootle) Silkin, Rt. Hn. John (Deptford)
Healey, Rt. Hn. Denis Mallalleu, J.P.W.(Huddersfield, E.) Silverman, Julius (Aston)
Heffer, Eric S. Manuel, Archie Skeffington, Arthur
Henig, Stanley Mapp, Charles Slater, Joseph
Hilton, W. S. Marks, Kenneth Small, William
Hobden, Dennis (Brighton, K'town) Marquand, David Snow, Julian
Hooley, Frank Marsh, Rt. Hn. Richard Spriggs, Leslie
Howarth, Harry (Wellingborough) Mason, Rt. Hn. Roy Stewart, Rt. Hn. Michael
Howarth, Robert (Bolton, E.) Mayhew, Christopher Strauss, Rt. Hn. G. R.
Howell, Denis (Small Heath) Mendelson, J. J. Summerskill, Hn. Dr. Shirley
Howie, W. Mikardo, Ian Swain, Thomas
Hoy, James Millan, Bruce Swingler, Stephen
Huckfleld, Leslie Miller, Dr. M. S. Symonds, J. B.
Hughes, Emrys (Ayrshire, S.) Milne, Edward (Blyth) Taverne, Dick
Hughes, Hector (Aberdeen, N.) Mitchell, R. C. (S'th'pton, Test) Thomas, Rt. Hn. George
Hughes, Roy (Newport) Moonman, Eric Thomson, Rt. Hn. George
Hunter Adam Morgan, Elystan (Cardiganshire) Thornton, Ernest
Hynd John Morris, Alfred (Wythenshawe) Tinn, James
Irvine', Sir Arthur (Edge Hill) Morris, Charles R. (Openshaw) Tomney, Frank
Jackson, colin (B'h'se & Spenb'gh) Moyle, Roland Urwin, T. W.
Jackson Peter M. (High Peak) Murray, Albert Varley, Eric G.
Janner, Sir Barnett Neal, Harold Wainwright, Edwin (Dearne Valley)
Jay, Rt. Hn. Douglas Newens, Stan Walden, Brian (All Saints)
Jeger, Mrs,. Lena (H'b'n& st. P'cras, S.) Oakes, Gordon Walker, Harold (Doncaster)
Jenkins, Hugh (Putney) Ogden, Eric Wallace, George
Jenkins, Rt. Hn. Roy(Stechford) O'Malley, Brian Watkins, David (Consett)
Johnson, Carol (Lewisham, S.) Oram, Albert E. Watkins, Tudor (Brecon & Radnor)
Johnson, James (K'ston-on-Hull W.) Orme, Stanley Weitzman, David
Jones, Dan (Burnley) Oswald, Thomas Wellbeloved, James
Jones, Rt. Hn. Sir Elwyn (W. Ham, S.) Owen, Dr. David (Plymouth, S'tn) Witaker, Ben
Jones, J. Idwal (Wrexham) Owen, Will (Morpeth) White, Mrs. Eirene
Jones, T. Alec (Rhondda, West) Page, Derek (King's Lynn) Whitlock, William
Paget, R. T. Williams, Alan (Swansea, W.)
Judd, Frank Palmer, Arthur Williams, Alan Lee (Hornchurch)
Keliey, Richard Pannell, Rt. Hn. Charles Williams, Clifford (Abertillery)
Kenyon, Clifford Park, Trevor Williams, Mrs. Shlrtey (Hitchin)
Kerr, Mrs. Anne (R'ter & Chatham) Perker, John (Dagenham) Willis, Rt. Hn. George
Kerr, Dr. David (W' worth, Central) Parkyn, Brian (Bedford) Wilson, Rt. Hn. Harold (Huyton)
Lawson, George Pavitt, Laurence Winnick, David
Leadbitter, Ted Pearson, Arthur (Pontypridd) Woodburn, Rt. Hn. A.
Ledger, Ron Peart, Rt. Hn. Fred Woof, Robert
Lee, Rt. Hn. Frederick (Newton) Pentland, Norman Wyatt, Woodrow
Lee, John (Reading) Perry, Ernest G. (Battersea, S.) Yates, Victor
Lestor, Miss Joan Perry, George H. (Nottingham, S.)
Lever, Harold (Cheetham) Prentice, Rt. Hn. R. E. TELLERS FOR THE NOES:
Lewis, Arthur (W. Ham, N.) Price, Thomas (Westhoughton) Mr. Alan Fitch and Mr. John McCann.
Lewis, Ron (Carlisle) Price, William (Rugby)
Lipton, Marcus Probert, Arthur

Mr. SPEAKER then proceeded, pursuant to Order, to put forthwith the Questions on the Amendments moved by a member of the Government, or which notice had been given, to that part of the Bill to be concluded at Four o'clock.

    c1554
  1. Clause 27 35 words
  2. c1555
  3. Clause 29 168 words
  4. cc1555-6
  5. Clause 30 428 words
  6. cc1556-7
  7. Clause 33 257 words
  8. c1557
  9. Clause 34 30 words
  10. cc1557-65
  11. Clause 36 3,031 words
  12. cc1566-8
  13. Clause 37 795 words
  14. cc1568-93
  15. Clause 38 9,629 words, 1 division
  16. cc1593-619
  17. Clause 39 10,035 words, 1 division
  18. c1619
  19. Clause 42 146 words
  20. cc1619-20
  21. Clause 43 275 words
  22. cc1620-9
  23. Clause 44 3,553 words, 1 division
  24. cc1629-35
  25. Clause 45 2,888 words, 1 division
  26. c1635
  27. Clause 46 19 words
  28. cc1636-7
  29. Clause 51 141 words
  30. c1637
  31. Clause 53 32 words
  32. cc1637-9
  33. Clause 57 741 words
  34. cc1639-65
  35. Clause 58 10,124 words, 1 division
  36. cc1665-7
  37. Clause 60 773 words
  38. cc1667-716
  39. Clause 61 18,269 words, 2 divisions
  40. cc1717-21
  41. Clause 62 2,343 words, 1 division
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