HC Deb 30 April 1947 vol 436 cc2091-104

Amendment proposed: In page tor, line 15, at end, to insert: loss or diminution of emoluments or pension rights or." —[Mr. Barnes.]

Division No. 169.] AYES [10.47 p.m.
Adams, Richard (Balham) Boardman, H. Coldrick, W.
Adams, W. T. (Hammersmith, South) Bottomley, A. G. Collins, V. J.
Alexander, Rt. Hon. A. V. Bowden, Flg.-Offr. H. W. Comyns, Dr. L.
Allen, A. C. (Bosworth) Bowles, F. G. (Nuneaton) Cook, T. F.
Allen, Scholefield (Crewe) Braddock, Mrs. E. M. (L'pl, Exch'ge) Corbel, Mrs. F. K. (Camb'well, N.W.)
Alpass, J. H. Braddock, T. (Mitcham) Corlett, Dr. J.
Anderson, F. (Whitehaven) Brook, D. (Halifax) Corvedale, Viscount
Attlee, Rt. Hon. C. R Brooks, T. J. (Rothwell) Crossman, R. H. S.
Ayrton Gould, Mrs. B Brown, George (Belper) Daggar, G.
Bacon, Miss A. Brown, T. J. (Ince) Daines, P
Baird, J. Burden, T W. Davies, Edward (Burslem)
Barnes, Rt. Hon. A. J Burke, W. A. Davies, Harold (Leek)
Barton, C. Butler, H. W. (Hackney, S.) Davies, Haydn (St. Pancras, S.W.)
Battley, J. R. Callaghan, James Davies, R. J. (Westhoughton)
Bechervaise, A. E Carmichael, James Davies, S. O. (Merthyr)
Benson, G. Castle, Mrs. B. A. Deer, G.
Berry, H. Chamberlain, R. A de Freitas, Geoffrey
Beswick, F. Champion, A. J. Delargy, H. J.
Bevan, Rt. Hon. A. (Ebbw Vate) Chater, D Diamond, J.
Bing, G. H. C. Chetwynd, G. R. Dobbie, W.
Binns, J. Clitherow, Dr. R. Dodds, N. N.
Blackburn, A. R Cobb, F. A. Driberg, T. E. N.
Blyton, W. R. Cocks, F. S. Dugdale, J. (W. Bromwich)

Question put, "That the Amendment be made."

The House divided: Ayes, 290; Noes, 32.

Durbin, E. F. M. Lindgren, G. S. Sargood, R.
Dye, S. Lipton, Lt.-Col. M. Scollan, T.
Ede, Rt. Hon. J. C. Logan, D. G. Scott-Elliot, W.
Edwards, John (Blackburn) Longden, F. Shackleton, E. A. A
Edwards, W. J. (Whitechapel) Lyne, A. W. Sharp, Granville
Evans, E. (Lowestoft) McAdam, W. Shawcross, C. N. (Widnes)
Evans, John (Ogmore) McEntee, V. La T. Shurmer, P.
Evans, S. N. (Wednesbury) McGhee, H. G. Silverman, J. (Erdington)
Ewart, R. McKay, J. (Wallsend) Silverman, S. S. (Nelson)
Fairhurst, F. Mackay, R. W. G. (Hull, N.W.) Simmons, C. J.
Farthing, W. J. McKinlay, A. S. Skeffington-Lodge, T. C
Field, Capt. W. J. McLeavy, F. Skinnard, F. W.
Fletcher, E. G. M. (Islington, E.) McNeil, Rt. Hon. H Smith, C. (Colchester)
Follick, M. Mainwaring, W. H. Smith, S. H. (Hull, S.W.)
Forman, J. C. Mallalieu, J. P. W. Snow, Capt. J. W.
Mann, Mrs. J. Solley, L. J.
Foster, W. (Wigan) Manning, C. (Camberwell, N.) Sorensen, R. W.
Freeman, Maj. J. (Watford) Manning, Mrs. L. (Epping) Sparks, J. A
Freeman, Peter (Newport) Marshall, F. (Brightside) Stamford, W
Gaitskell, H. T. N. Mathers, G. Steele, T.
Ganley, Mrs. C. S. Medland, H. M. Stephen, C.
Gibson, C. W Mellish, R. J. Stewart, Michael (Fulham, E.)
Gilzean, A. Messer, F. Stubbs, A. E.
Gooch, E. G. Millington, Wing-Comdr. E. R Summerskill, Dr. Edith
Goodrich, H. E. Mitchison, G. R. Swingler, S.
Gordon-Walker, P. C. Monslow, W. Sylvester, G. O
Granville, E. (Eye) Moody, A. S. Symonds, A. L.
Greenwood, A. W. J. (Heywood) Morgan, Dr. H. B Taylor, H. B. (Mansfield)
Grey, C. F. Morley, R. Taylor, R. J. (M[...]peth)
Grierson, E. Morris, Lt.-Col. H. (Sheffield, C.) Taylor, Dr. S. (Barnet)
Griffiths, D. (Rather Valley) Morris, P. (Swansea, W.) Thomas, D. E. (Aberdare)
Griffiths, W. D. (Moss Side) Moyle, A. Thomas, I. O (Wrekin)
Guest, Dr. L. Haden Murray, J. D. Thomas, George (Cardiff)
Gunter, R. J. Nally, W. Thomson, Rt. Hn. G. R. (Ed'b'gh, E.)
Guy, W. H. Neal, H. (Claycross) Thurtle, Ernest
Haire, John E. (Wycombe) Nicholls, H. R. (Stratford) Tiffany, S.
Hate, Leslie Noel-Baker, Capt. F. E. (Brentford) Titterington, M. F
Hall, W. G. Noel-Baker, Rt. Hon. P. J. (Derby) Tolley, L.
Hamilton, Lieut,-Col. R. Noel-Buxton, Lady Turner-Samuels, M.
Harrison, J. O'Brien, T. Ungoed-Thomas, L.
Hastings, Dr. Somerville OldfieId, W. H. Vernon, Maj. W. F.
Haworth, J. Paling, Rt. Hon. Wilfred (Wentworth) Viant, S. P.
Henderson, Joseph (Ardwick) Paling, Will T. (Dewsbury) Wadsworth, G.
Hewitson, Captain M. Palmer, A. M. F. Walker, G. H.
Hicks, G. Pargiter, G. A. Wallace, G. D. (Chislehurst)
Hobson, C. R. Parker, J. Wallace, H. W. (Walthamstow, E.)
Holman, P. Parkin, B. T. Watkins, T. E.
Holmes, H. E. (Hemsworth) Paton, Mrs. F. (Rushcliffe) Watson, W. M.
House, G. Paton, J. (Norwich) Webb, M. (Bradford, C.)
Hoy, J. Pearson, A. Weitzman, D.
Hudson, J. H. (Ealing, W.) Peart, Capt. T. F Wells, P. L. (Faversham)
Hughes, Hector (Aberdeen, N.) Piratin, P. Wells, W. T, (Walsall)
Hughes, H. D. (W'lverh'pton, W.) Platts-Mills, J. F. F. West, D. G.
Hynd, H. (Hackney, C.) Poole, Major Cecil (Lichfield) White, H. (Derbyshire, N.E.)
Irving, W. J. Popplewell, E. Whiteley, Rt. Hon. W.
Isaacs, Rt. Hon. G. A Porter, E. (Warrington) Wigg, Colonel G. E.
Janner, B. Porter, G. (Leeds) Wilcock, Group-Capt. C. A. B
Jay, D. P. T. Price, M. Philips Wilkes, L.
Wilkins, W. A.
Jeger, G. (Winchester) Pritt, D. N. Willey, F. T. (Sunderland)
Jager, Dr. S. W. (St. Pancras, S.E.) Proctor, W. T Williams, D. J. (Neath)
Jones, Rt. Hon. A. C. (Shipley) Pryde, D. J. Williams, J. L. (Kelvingrove)
Jones, Elwyn (Plaistow) Pursey, Cmdr. H Williams, W. R. (Heston)
Jones, J. H. (Bolton) Randall, H. E. Williamson, T.
Keenan, W. Ranger, J. Willis, E.
Kendall, W. D. Rankin, J. Wills, Mrs. E. A
King, E. M. Reeves, J. Wise, Major F. J.
Kinghorn, Sqn.-Ldr. E. Reid, T. (Swindon) Woodburn, A.
Kinley, J. Rhodes, H. Wyatt, W.
Lavers, S. Richards, R. Yates, V. F.
Lee, F. (Hulme) Ridealgh, Mrs. M Young, Sir R. (Newton)
Lee, Miss J. (Cannock) Robens, A. Younger, Hon. Kenneth
Leonard, W. Roberts, Goronwy (Caernarvonshire)
Lewis, A. W. J. (Upton) Robertson, J. J. (Berwick) TELLERS FOR THE AYES:
Lewis, J. (Bolton) Ross, William (Kilmarnock) Mr. Collindridge and Mr. Hennan.
Lewis, T. (Southampton) Royle, C.
NOES.
Aitken, Hon. Max Cole, T. L. Fox, Sir G.
Astor, Hon. M. Crosthwaite-Eyre, Col. O. E. Fraser, Sir I. (Lonsdale)
Barlow, Sir J. Darling, Sir W. Y. Haughton, S. G.
Beamish, Maj. T. V. H. De la Bère, R. Henderson, John (Cathcart)
Bromley-Davenport, Lt.-Col. W. Donner, Sqn.-Ldr. P. W. Herbert, Sir A. P.
Bullock, Capt. M. Dower, E. L. G. (Caithness) Holmes, Sir J. Stanley (Harwich)
Carson, E. Duthie, W. S. Lambert, Hon. G.
Langford-Holt, J. Morrison, Maj. J. G. (Salisbury) Wheatley, Col. M. J
Marlowe, A. A. H. Nicholson, G.
Marsden. Capt. A. Roberts, Mai. P. G. (Ecclesall) TELLERS FOR THE NOES:
Mellor, Sir J. Spence, H. R. Mr. Butcher and
Moore, Lt.-Col. Sir I. Teeling, William Major N. Macpherson.
Mr. De La Bère (Evesham)

Mr. Deputy-Speaker, on a point of Order. I want, if I may, to make it quite clear that in voting as I am against these Amendments—

Hon. Members

Order.

Mr. Deputy-Speaker (Mr. Hubert Beaumont)

That is not a point of Order.

Mr. De La Bère

May I, on a point of Order, say that it is against the policy of the Government—

Division No. 170.] AYES [10.59 p.m
Adams, Richard (Balham) Dobbie, W. Hynd, J. B. (Attercliffe)
Adams, W. T. (Hammersmith, South) Dodds, N. N. Irving, W. J.
Alexander, Rt. Hon. A. V. Driberg, T. E. N. Isaacs, Rt. Hon G. A
Allen, A. C. (Bosworth) Dugdale, J. (W. Bromwich) Janner, B.
Allen, Scholeheld (Crewe) Durbin, E. F. M. Jay, D. P. T.
Alpass, J. H. Dye, S. Jeger, G. (Winchester)
Anderson, A. (Motherwell) Ede, Rt. Hon. J. C. Jager, Dr. S. W. (St. Pancras, S.E.)
Ayrten Gould, Mrs. B Edwards, John (Blackburn) Jones, Rt. Hon. A. C. (Shipley)
Bacon, Miss A. Edwards, N. (Caerphilly) Jones, D. T. (Hartlepools)
Baird, J. Edwards, W. J. (Whitechapel) Jones, Elwyn (Plaistow)
Barnes, Rt. Hon. A. J Evans, E. (Lowestoft) Jones, J. H. (Bolton)
Barton, C. Evans, John (Ogmore) Jones, P. Asterley (Hitchin)
Battley, J. R. Evans, S. N. (Wednesbury) Keenan, W.
Bechervaise, A. E Ewart, R. Kendall, W. D.
Benson, G. Fairhurst, F. Key, C. W.
Berry, H. Farthing, W. J. King, E. M.
Beswick, F. Field, Capt. W. J. Kinghorn, Sqn.-Ldr. E.
Bevan, Rt. Hon A. (Ebbw Vale) Fletcher, E. G. M. (Islington, E.) Kirkwood, D.
Bing, G. H. C. Follick, M. Lavers, S.
Blenkinsop, A. Forman, J. C. Lee, F, (Hulme)
Blyton, W. R. Foster, W. (Wigan) Lee, Miss J. (Cannock)
Boardman, H. Gaitskell, H. T. N. Leonard, W.
Bottomley, A. G. Gallacher, W, Lewis, A. W. J. (Upton)
Bowden, Flg.-Offr. H. W. Ganley, Mrs. C. S Lewis, T. (Southampton)
Bowles, F. G. (Nuneaton) Gibson, C. W Lindgren, G. S.
Braddock, Mrs. E. M. (L'pl, Exch'ge) Gilzean, A. Lipton, Lt.-Col. M.
Braddock, T. (Mitcham) Goodrich, H. E. Longden, F.
Brook, D. (Halifax) Gordon-Walker, P. C. Lyne, A. W
Brooks, T. J. (Rothwell) Granville, E. (Eye) McAdam, W.
Brown, George (Belper) Greenwood, A. W. J. (Heywood) McEntee, V. La T.
Brown, T. J. (Ince) Grey, C. F. McGhee, H. G.
Burden, T. W. Grierson, E. McKay, J. (Wallsend)
Butler, H. W. (Hackney, S.) Griffiths, D. (Rother Valley) Mackay, R, W. G. (Hull, N.W.)
Callaghan, James Griffiths, Rt. Hon. J. (Llanelly) McKinlay, A. S.
Carmichael, James Griffiths, W. D. (Moss Side) McLeavy, F.
Castle, Mrs. B. A Guest, Dr. L. Haden McNeil, Rt. Hon.[...].
Champion, A. J. Gunter, R. J Macpherson, T. (Romford)
Chetwynd, G. R. Guy. W H Mainwaring, W. H.
Clitherow, Dr. R. Haire, John E. (Wycombe) Mallalieu, J. P. W.
Cobb, F. A. Hale, Leslie Mann, Mrs. J.
Cocks, F. S. Hall, W. G Manning, C. (Camberwell, N.)
Coldrick, W. Hamilton, Lieut.-Col. R. Manning, Mrs. L. (Epping)
Collindridge, F. Hardy, E. A. Mathers, G.
Collins, V. J. Harrison, J Medland, H. M.
Comyns, Dr. L. Hastings, Dr. Somerville Mellish, R. J.
Cook, T. F. Haworth, J. Messer, F.
Corbet, Mrs. F. K. (Camb'well, N.W.) Henderson, Joseph (Ardwick) Mikardo, Ian
Corlett, Dr. J. Hewitson, Captain M. Millington, Wing-Comdr. E. R
Grossman, R. H. S Hicks, G. Mitchison, G. R.
Daggar, G. Hobson, C. R. Monslow, W.
Dairies, P. Holman, P. Moody, A. S.
Davies, Edward (Burslem) Holmes, H. E. (Hemsworth) Morgan, Dr. H. B.
Davies, Hadyn (St. Pancras, S.W.) House, G. Morley, R.
Davies, S. O. (Merthyr) Hoy, J. Morris, Lt.-Col. H. (Sheffield, C.)
Deer, G. Hudson, J. H. (Ealing, W.) Morris, P. (Swansea, W.)
de Freitas, Geoffrey Hughes, Hector (Aberdeen, N.) Moyle, A.
Delargy, H. J. Hughes, H. D. (W'lverh'pton, W.) Murray, J. D.
Diamond, J. Hynd, H. (Hackney, C.)
Hon. Members

No.

Mr. Deputy-Speaker

That is not a point of Order.

Amendment proposed: In page 101, line 16, to leave out "otherwise."—[Mr. Barnes.]

Question put, "That the Amendment be made."

The House divided: Ayes, 280; Noes, 34.

Nally, W. Ross, William (Kilmarnock) Titterington, M. F
Neal, H. (Claycross) Royle, C. Tolley, L.
Nicholls, H. R. (Stratford) Sargood, R. Turner-Samuels, M.
Noel-Baker, Capt. F. E. (Brentford) Scollan, T. Ungoed-Thomas, L.
Noel-Baker, Rt. Hon. P. J. (Derby) Shackleton, E. A. A Vernon, Maj. W. F
Noel-Buxton, Lady Sharp, Granville Viant, S. P.
Oldfield, W. H. Shawcross, C. N. (Widnes) Wadsworth, G.
Paling, Rt. Hon. Wilfred (Wentworth) Shurmer, P. Walker, G. H.
Paling, Will T. (Dewsbury) Silverman, J. (Erdington) Wallace, C. D. (Chislehurst)
Pargiter, G. A. Silverman, S. S. (Nelson) Wallace, H. W. (Walthamstow, E.)
Parker, J. Simmons, C. J. Warbey, W. N.
Parkin, B. T. Skeffington-Lodge, T. C. Watson, W. M.
Paton, Mrs. F. (Rushcliffe) Skinnard, F. W. Webb, M. (Bradford, C.)
Paton, J. (Norwich) Smith, C. (Colchester) Weitzman, D.
Pearson, A. Smith, S. H. (Hull, S.W.) Wells, P. L. (Faversham)
Peart, Capt. T. F Snow, Capt. J. W. Wells, W. T. (Walsall)
Piratin, P. Solley, L. J. West, D. G.
Plates-Mills, J. F. F. Sorensen, R. W. White, H. (Derbyshire, N.E.)
Poole, Major Cecil (Lichfield) Soskice, Maj. Sir [...] Whiteley, Rt. Hon. W.
Popplewell, E. Sparks, J. A. Wigg, Colonel G. E.
Porter, E. (Warrington) Stamford, W. Wilcock, Group-Capt. C. A. B
Porter, G. (Leeds) Stephen, C. Wilkes, L.
Price, M. Philips Strauss, G. R. (Lambeth, N.) Wilkins, W. A.
Pritt, D. N. Stubbs, A. E. Willey, F. T. (Sunderland)
Proctor, W. T. Summerskill, Dr. Edith Williams, D. J. (Neath)
Pryde, D. J. Sylvester, G. O. Williams, J. L. (Kelvingrove)
Pursey, Cmdr. H Symonds, A. L. Williams, W. R. (Heston)
Randall, H. E. Taylor, H. B. (Mansfield) Williamson, T.
Rankin, J. Taylor, R. J. (Morpeth) Willis, E.
Reeves, J. Taylor, Dr. S. (Barnet) Wills, Mrs. E. A
Reid, T. (Swindon) Thomas, D. E. (Aberdare) Wise, Major F. J
Richards, R. Thomas, I. O. (Wrekin) Woodburn, A.
Ridealgh, Mrs. M. Thomas, George (Cardiff) Young, Sir R. (Newton)
Robens, A. Thomson, Rt. Hn. G. R. (Ed'b'gh, E.) Younger, Hon. Kenneth
Roberts, Goronwy (Caernarvonshire) Thurtle, Ernest
Robertson, J. J. (Berwick) Tiffany, S. TELLERS FOR THE AYES:
Mr. M. Stewart and Mr. Hannan
NOES.
Aitken, Hon. Max Dower, E. L. G. (Caithness) Marsden, Capt. A.
Astor, Hon. M. Duthie, W. S. Mellor, Sir J.
Barlow, Sir J. Fox, Sir G. Moore, Lt.-Col, Sir T.
Beamish, Maj. T. V. H. Fraser, H. C. P. (Stone) Morrison, Maj. J. G. (Salisbury)
Bromley-Davenport, Lt.-Col. W Fraser, Sir I. (Lonsdale) Nicholson, G.
Bullock, Capt. M. Haughton, S. G. Roberts, Maj. P. G. (Ecclesall)
Carson, E. henderson, John (Cathcart) Spence, H. R.
Cole, T. L. Holmes, Sir J. Stanley (Harwich) Teeling, Willlam
Crosthwaite-Eyre, Col. O. E Lambert, Hon. G. Thorneycroft, G. E. P. (Monmouth)
Darling, Sir W. Y. Langford-Holt, J. Wheatley, Colonel M. J.
De la Bère, R. Macpherson, Maj. N. (Dumfries)
Donner, Sqn.-Ldr. P. W Marlowe, A. A. H. TELLERS FOR THE NOES:
Sir A. Herbert and Mr. Butcher.
Mr. Delargy (Manchester, Platting)

On a point of Order, Mr. Deputy-Speaker. Considering the total collapse of what was until tonight the official Opposition, could not representations be made

Mr. Deputy-Speaker

That is not a point of Order.

Division No. 171.] AYES. [11.10 p.m.
Adams, Richard (Balham) Berry, H. Brooks, T. J. (Rothwell)
Adams, W. T. (Hammersmith, South) Beswick, F Brown, George (Belper)
Alexander, Rt. Hon. A. V. Bevan, Rt. Hon. A. (Ebbw Vale) Brown, T. J. (Ince)
Allen, A. C. (Bosworth) Bing, G. H. C. Burden, T. W.
Allen, Scholefield (Crewe) Blackburn, A. R. Butler, H. W. (Hackney, S.)
Alpass, J H. Blenkinsop, A. Carmichael, James
Anderson, F. (Whitehaven) Blyton, W. R. Chamberlain, R. A.
Bacon, Miss A. Boardman, H. Champion, A. J.
Baird. J. Bottomley, A. G. Clitherow, Dr. R
Barnes, Rt. Hon. A. J Bowden, Flg.-Offr. H. W. Cobb, F A.
Barton, C. Bowles, F. C. (Nuneaton) Cocks, F. S.
Battley, J. R. Braddock, Mrs. E. M. (L'pl, Exch'ge) Coldrick, W.
Bechervaise, A E Braddock, T. (Mitcham) Collindridge, F.
Benson, G Brook, D. (Halifax) Collins, V. J.

Amendment proposed: In page 1O2, line 24, at end, to insert: not being voting rights exercisable only in the event of a default in the payment of dividend."—[My. Barnes.]

Question put. "That the Amendment be made."

The House divided: Ayes. 275; Noes, 33

Comyns, Dr. L. Jeger, G. (Winchester) Richards, R.
Cook, T. F. Jeger, Dr. S. W. (St. Pancras, S.E.) Ridealgh, Mrs. M.
Cooper, Wing-Comdr. G. Jones. D, T. (Hartlepools) Robens, A.
Corbet, Mrs. F. K. (Camb'well, N.W.) Jonas, J. H. (Bolton) Roberts, Goronwy (Caernarvonshire)
Corlett, Dr. J. Keenan, W. Robertson, J. J. (Berwick)
Daggar, G. Kendall, W. D. Rose, William (Kilmarnock)
Haines, P. Key, C. W. Royle, C.
Davies, Edward (Burslem) King, E. M. Sargood, R.
Davies, Ernest (Enfield) Kirkwood, D. Scollen, T.
Davies, Haydn (St. Pancras, S.W.) Lavers, S. Scott-Elliot, W.
Davies, R. J. (Westhoughton) Lee, F. (Hulme) Shackleton, E. A. A
Davies, S. O. (Merthyr) Lee, Miss J (Cannock) Sharp, Granville
Deer, G. Leonard, W. Shawcross, C. N. (Widnes)
de Freitas, Geoffrey Lewis, A. W. J. (Upton) Shawcross, Rt. Hn. Sir H. (St. Helens)
Delargy, H. J. Lewis, T. (Southampton) Shurmer, P.
Diamond, J. Lindgren, G. S. Silverman, S. S. (Nelson)
Dobbie, W. Lipton, Lt.-Col, M. Simmons, C. J.
Dodds, N. N. Logan, D. G. Skinnard, F. W.
Driberg, T. E. N. Longden, F. Smith, S. H. (Hull, S.W.)
Dugdale, J. (W. Bromwich) Lyne, A. W. Snow, Capt. J. W.
Durbin, E. F. M. McAdam, W. Sorensen, R. W.
Dye, S. McEntee, V. La T. Soskice, Maj. Sir F
Ede, Rt. Hon. J. C. McGhee, H. G. Sparks, J. A.
Evans, E. (Lowestoft) McKay, J. (Wallsend) Stamford, W.
Evans, John (Ogmore) Mackay, R. W. G. (Hull, N.W.) Steele, T.
Evans, S. N. (Wednesbury) McKinlay, A. S. Stephen, C.
Ewan, R. Maclean, N. (Govan) Strauss, G. R. (Lambeth, N.)
Fairhurst, F. McLeavy, F. Stubbs, A. E.
Farthing, W. J. McNeil, Rt. Hon. H. Summerskill, Dr. Edith
Field, Capt. W. J. Macpherson, T. (Romferd) Sylvester, G. O.
Fletcher, E. G. M. (Islington, E.)
Follick, M. Mainwaring, W. H. Symonds, A. L.
Forman, J. C. Manning, C. (Camberwell, N.) Taylor, H. B. (Mansfield)
Foster, W. (Wigan) Manning, Mrs. L. (Epping) Taylor, R. J. (Morpeth)
Freeman, Peter (Newport) Marquand, H. A. Taylor, Dr. S. (Barnet)
Geitskell, H. T. N Mathers, G. Thomas, D. E. (Aberdare)
Gallacher, W. Medland, H. M. Thomas, I. O. (Wrekin)
Ganley, Mrs. C. S Mellish, R. J. Thomas, George (Cardiff)
Gibson, C. W. Messer, F. Thomson, Rt. Hn. G. R. (Ed'b'gh, E.)
Gilman, A. Mikardo, Ian Thorneycroft, Harry (Clayton)
Gooch, E. G. Millington, Wing-Comdr. E. R. Tiffany, S.
Goodrich, H. E. Mitchison, G. R. Timmons, J.
Gordon-Walker, P. C. Monslow, W. Titterington, M. F.
Granville, E. (Eye) Moody, A. S. Tolley, L.
Greenwood, A. W. J. (Heywood) Morgan, Dr. H. B. Tomlinson, Rt. Hon. G
Grey, C. F Morley, R. Turner-Samuels, M.
Grierson, E. Morris, Lt.-Col. H. (Sheffield C.) Ungoed-Thomas, L.
Griffiths, b. (Rother Valley) Morris, P. (Swansea, W.) Vernon, Maj. W. F.
Griffiths, Rt. Hon. J. (Llanelly) Murray, J. D. Viant, S. P.
Griffiths, W. D. (Moss Side) Nally, W. Wadsworth, G.
Guest, Dr. L. Haden Neal, H. (Claycross) Walker, G. H
Gunter, R. J. Nicholls, H. R. (Stratford) Wallace, G. D. (Chislehurst)
Guy, W. H. Noel-Baker, Capt. F. E. (Brentford) Warbey, W. N.
Hale, Leslie Noel-Baker. Rt. Hon. P. J. (Derby) Watkins, T. E.
Hall, W. G. Noel-Bux[...] lady Watson, W. M.
Hamilton, Lieut.-Col. R Oldfield, W. H. Webb, M. (Bradford, C.)
Hardy, E. A. Oliver, G. H. Weitzman, D.
Harrison, J. Paling, Rt. Hon. Wilfred (Wentworth) Wells, P. L. (Faversham)
Hastings, Dr. Somerville Paling, Will T. (Dewsbury) Wells, W. T. (Walsall)
Haworth, J. Palmer, A. M. F. West, D. G.
Henderson, A. (Kingawinford) Pargiter, G. A. Westwood, Rt. Hon. J
Henderson, Joseph (Ardwick) Parker, J. White, H. (Derbyshire, N.E.)
Hewitson, Capt. M. Parkin, B. T. Whiteley, Rt. Hon. W.
Hicks, G. Pearson, A Wigs, Col. G. E.
Hobson, C R. Peart, Capt. T. F. Wilcock, Group-Capt. C. A. B.
Holman, P. Platts-Mills, J. F. E. Wilkes, L.
Holmes, H. E. (Hemsworth) Poole, Major Cecil (Lichfield) Wilkins, W. A.
House, G. Popplewell, E. Willey, F. T. (Sunderland)
Hoy, J. Porter, E. (Warrington) Williams, D. J. (Neath)
Hubbard, T. Porter, G. (Leeds) Williams, J. L. (Kelvingrove)
Hudson, J. H. (Ealing, W.) Pritt, D. N. Williams, W. R. (Heston)
Hughes, Hector (Aberdeen, N.) Proctor, W. T. Williamson, T.
Hughes, H. D. (Wolverh'pton, W.) Pryde, D. J. Willis, E.
Hutchinson, H. L. (Rusholme) Pursey, Cmdr. H. Wills, Mrs. E. A
Hynd, H. (Hackney, C.) Randall, H. E. Woodburn, A.
Hynd, J. B. (Attercliffe) Rankin, J. Yates, V. F.
Isaacs, Rt. Hon. G. A. Reeves, J. Younger, Hon. Kenneth
Janner, B. Reid, T. (Swindon)
Jay, D. P. T. Rhodes, H. TELLERS FOR THE AYES:
Mr. M. Stewart and Mr. Hannan.
NOES.
Barlow, Sir J. Duthie, W. S. Marsden, Capt. A.
Beamish, Maj. T. V. H. Fox, Sir G. Mellor, Sir J.
Bromley-Davenport, Lt.Col. W Fraser, H. C. P. (Stone) Moore, Lt.-Col. Sir[...]
Bullock, Capt. M Fraser, Sir I. (Lonsdale) Morrison, Maj. J. G. (Salisbury)
Butcher, H. W. Haughton, S. G. Nicholson, C.
Cole, T. L. Henderson, John (Cathcart) Roberts, Maj. P. G. (Ecclesall)
Corbett, Lieut.-Col. U. (Ludlow) Herbert, Sir A. P. Spence, H. R.
Crosthwaite-Eyre, Col. O. E. Holmes, Sir J. Stanley (Harwich) Teeling, Willlam
Darling, Sir W. Y. Lambert, Hon. G. Wheatley, Colonel M. J.
De la Bère, R. Langford-Holt, J.
Donner, Sqn.-Ldr. P. W. Macpherson, Maj, N. (Dumfries) TELLERS FOR THE NOES:
Dower, E. L. G. (Caithness) Marlowe, A. A. H. Group-Captain Aitken and
Mr. Astor.

11.15 p.m.

Mr. William Teeling

On a point of Order.

Mr. Sydney Silverman (Nelson and Colne)

On a point of Order.

Mr. Deputy-Speaker

There cannot be two points of Order at the same time.

Mr. Teeling

On a point of Order. In view of the fact that a number of Members on both sides of the House never had an opportunity of being called into the Committee and never had a chance—

Mr. Deputy-Speaker

That is not a point of Order.

Mr. S. Silverman

May I ask whether under the Standing Orders it is not in your discretion, Mr. Deputy-Speaker, if you come to the conclusion that a challenged vote was merely frivolous, to call upon those Members desiring to vote "No" to stand up in their places and be counted?

Mr. Deputy-Speaker

That is a point of Order. It is certainly within the right of the Chair to exercise that discretion and the Chair will do so when it thinks desirable.

Mr. Teeling

Further to the first point of Order.

Mr. Deputy-Speaker

I ruled that the hon. Gentleman's point was not a point of Order, and, therefore, there cannot be anything further to it.

Sir Ian Fraser (Lonsdale)

Further to the point of Order raised by the hon. Member for Nelson and Colne (Mr. S. Silverman). May I ask whether it is in order for the hon. Member to accuse us of frivolous behaviour when we are in fact protesting against the Guillotine?

Mr. Deputy-Speaker

That is not a point of Order. Points of Order should not be used as an opportunity for making speeches.

Mr. Butcher (Holland with Boston)

May I ask whether you, Mr. DeputySpeaker, will indicate for our guidance what the position is? While the occupant of the Chair has complete discretion as to the manner in which hon. Members may register their votes, have not many of your predecessors, on many occasions, given opportunities to those who feel strongly on some matter, to register their protest in the Division Lobby? In view of the fact that Members in all parts of the House recognise the right of the Chair, and the desire of the Chair to protect the rights of the minority, may I on this point of Order respectfully ask you to enable us to exercise this customary right.

Mr. Deputy-Speaker

The Chair has the right, and accepts the responsibility, for deciding the manner in which the vote shall be taken.

Major Tufton Beamish (Lewes): rose—

Mr. Deputy-Speaker

We cannot continue in this way. I have allowed a considerable amount of latitude.

Major Beamish

May I ask to: your guidance, Mr. Deputy-Speaker, on whether there is any other way in which we can protest against this brazen dictatorship?

Mr. Deputy-Speaker

Mr. Speaker has already answered that question several times, and the answer which he gave is the answer which I give now.

Mr. Teeling

With due respect. Mr. Deputy-Speaker, may I point out that you were not present earlier when this point was submitted to Mr. Speaker?

Mr. Deputy-Speaker

It is not a question of whether I was present or not, when that question was raised. But, as a matter of fact, I was present. I am carrying out the long-established procedure of the House.

Major Beamish

rose—

Mr. Deputy-Speaker

I have already given the hon. and gallant Member an opportunity.

Major Beamish

On another point of Order.

Division No. 172.] AYES. [11.25 p.m.
Adams, Richard (Balham) Dye, S. Key, C. W.
Adams, W. T. (Hammersmith, South) Ede, Rt. Hon. J. G. Kirkwood, D.
Allen, A. C. (Bosworth) Evans, E. (Lowestoft) Lavers, S.
Allen, Scholefield (Crewe) Evans, John (Ogmore) Lee, F. (Hulme)
Anderson, F. (Whitehaven) Evans, S. N. (Wednesbury) Lee, Miss J. (Cannock)
Bacon, Miss A. Ewart, R. Leonard, W.
Baird, J. Fairhurst, F. Lewis, A. W. J. (Upton)
Barnes, Rt. Hon. A. J. Farthing, W. J. Lewis, J. (Bolton)
Barton, C. Field, Captain W. J. Lewis, T. (Southampton)
Battley, J. R. Fletcher, E. G. M. (Islington, E.) Lipton, Lt.-Col. M.
Bechervaise, A. E. Follick, M. Logan, D. G.
Benson, G. Forman, J. C. Longden, F.
Berry, H Foster, W. (Wigan) Lyne, A. W.
Beswick, F. Freeman, Peter (Newport) McAdam, W.
Bing, G. H. C. Gaitskell, H. T. N. McGhee, H. G.
Blackburn, A. R. Gallacher, W. McKay, J. (Wallsend)
Blenkinsop, A. Ganley, Mrs. C. S. Mackay, R. W. G. (Hull, N.W.)
Blyton, W. R. Gibbins, J. McLeavy, F.
Boardman, H Gibson, C. W. McNeil, Rt. Hon. H.
Bottomley, A. G. Gilzean, A. Macpherson, T. (Romford)
Bowden, Flg.-Offr. H. W. Gooch, E. G. Mainwaring, W. H.
Bowles, F. G. (Nuneaton) Goodrich, H. E. Mallalieu, J. P. W.
Braddock, Mrs. E. M. (L'pl, Exch'ge) Gordon-Walker, P. C Manning, C. (Camberwell, N.)
Braddock, T. (Mitcham) Granville, E. (Eye) Manning, Mrs. L. (Epping)
Brook, D. (Halifax) Greenwood, A. W. J. (Heywood) Marquand, H. A.
Brooks, T. J. (Rothwell) Grey, C. F. Marshall, F. (Brightside)
Brown, George (Belper) Grierson, E. Mathers, G.
Brown, T. J. (Ince) Griffiths, D. (Bother Valley) Medland, H. M
Burden, T. W. Griffiths, W. D. (Moss Side) Mellish, R. J.
Butler, H. W. (Hackney, S.) Guest, Dr. L. Haden Messer, F.
Callaghan, James Gunter, R. J. Mikardo, Ian
Carmichael, James Guy, W. H. Millington, Wing-Comdr. E. R.
Castle, Mrs. B. A. Hale, Leslie Mitchison, Major G. R.
Chamberlain, R. A. Hall; W. G. Monslow, W.
Champion, A. J. Hamilton, Lieut.-Col. R. Moody, A. S.
Chafer, D. Hannan, W. (Maryhill) Morgan, Dr. H. B
Chetwynd, G. R. Hardy, E. A. Morley, R.
Clitherow, Dr. R Harrison, J. Morris, Lt.-Col. H. (Sheffield. C.)
Cobb, F. A. Hastings, Dr. Somerville Morris, P. (Swansea, W.)
Cocks, F. S Haworth, J. Moyle, A.
Coldrick, W. Henderson, A. (Kingswinford) Murray, J. D
Collindridge, F. Hewitson, Capt. M. Nally, W.
Collins, V. J. Holman, P. Neal, H. (Claycross)
Comyns, Dr. L. Holmes, H. E. (Hemsworth) Nicholls, H. R. (Stratford)
Cook, T. F. House, G. Noel-Baker, Capt. F E. (Brantford)
Cooper, Wing-Comdr. G. Hoy, J. Noel-Buxton, Lady
Corbel, Mrs. F. K. (Camb'well, N.W.) Hubbard, T. O'Brien, T.
Corlett, Dr. J. Hudson, J. H. (Ealing, W.) Oldfield, W. H
Crossman, R. H. S. Hughes, Hector (Aberdeen, N.) Oliver, G. H.
Dagger, G. Hughes, H. D. (Wolverhampton, W.) Paling, Rt. Hon. Wilfred (Wentworth)
Davies, Ernest (Enfield) Hynd, H. (Hackney, C.) Paling, Will T, (Dewsbury)
Davies, Haydn (St. Pancras, S.W.) Hynd, J. B. (Attercliffe) Pargiter, G. A.
Davies, R. J. (Westhoughton) Irving, W. J. Parker, J.
Deer, G. Isaacs, Rt. Hon. G. A. Paton, Mrs. F. (Rushcliffe)
de Freitas, Geoffrey Janner, B. Pearson, A.
Delargy, Captain H. J. Jay, D. P. T. Peart, Capt. T. F
Diamond, J. Jager, G. (Winchester) Piratin, P.
Debbie, W. Jeger, Dr. S. W. (St. Pancras. S.E.) Platts-Mills. J. F. F
Dodds, N. N. Jones, D. T. (Hartlepools) Poole, Major Cecil (Lichfield)
Driberg, T. E. N. Jones, Elwyn (Plaistow) Popplewell, E.
Dugdale, J. (W. Bromwich) Keenan, W. Porter, E. (Warrington)
Durbin, E. F. M. Kendall, W. D. Porter, G. (Leeds)
Mr. Deputy-Speaker

I cannot take a point of Order when I am putting the Question.