HC Deb 30 April 1947 vol 436 cc2085-91

Amendment proposed: In page 99, line 3, to leave out "obligations and."—[Mr. Barnes.]

Mr. Jennings (Sheffield, Hallam)

On a point of Order. Is there no means of stopping this farcical procedure? [Interruption.]

Mr. Speaker

The House has declared by vote that this procedure shall be carried out, and one cannot challenge it now. I am simply obeying the orders of the House, and it is no good rising to points of Order.

Mr. Jennings

Further to that point of Order. I had not finished it before I was interrupted. May I finish it, because I feel that the House is being brought to a great deal of ridicule, and the Government as well? Is there no means of stopping it?

Mr. Speaker

That is not a point of Order.

Division No. 167.] AYES. [10.25 p.m
Adams, Richard (Balham) Chater, D. Fletcher, E. G. M. (Islington, E.)
Adams, W. T. (Hammersmith, South) Chetwynd, G. R. Follick, M.
Alexander, Rt. Hon. A. V. Clitherow, Dr. R Foot, M. M.
Allen, A. C. (Bosworth) Cobb, F. A. Forman, J. C.
Allen, Scholefield (Crewe) Cocks, F. S. Foster, W. (Wigan)
Alpass, J. H. Coldrick, W. Freeman, Maj. J. (Watford)
Anderson, F. (Whitehaven) Collindridge, F. Freeman, Peter (Newport)
Attlee, Rt. Hon. C. R. Collins, V. J. Gaitskell, H. T. N.
Ayrton Gould, Mrs. B. Comyns, Dr. L. Gallacher, W.
Bacon, Miss A. Cook, T. F. Ganley, Mrs. C. S.
Baird, J. Cooper, Wing-Comdr. G. Gibbins, J.
Barnes, Rt. Hon. A. J Corbet, Mrs. F. K. (Camb'well, N.W.) Gibson. C. W
Barstow, P. G. Corlett, Dr. J. Gilzean, A.
Barton, C. Crossman, R. H. S Gooch, E. G.
Battley, J. R. Daggar, G. Goodrich, H. E.
Bechervaise, A. E Daines, P. Gordon-Walker, P. C.
Benson, G. Davies, Edward (Burslem) Granville, E. (Eye)
Berry, H. Davies, Ernest (Enfield) Greenwood, Rt. Hon. A. (Wakefield)
Beswick, F. Davies, Harold (Leek) Greenwood, A. W. J. (Heywood)
Bevan, Rt. Hon. A. (Ebbw Vale) Davies, Haydn (St. Pancras, S.W.) Grenfell, D. R.
Bing, G. H. C. Davies, R. J. (Westhoughton) Grey, C. F.
Binns, J. Davies, S. O. (Merthyr) Grierson, E.
Blenkinsop, A Deer, G. Griffiths, D. (Rother Valley)
Blyton, W. R Delargy, H. J. Griffiths, Rt. Hon. J. (Llanelly)
Boardman, H. Diamond, J. Griffiths, W. D. (Moss Side)
Bottomley, A. G. Dobbie, W. Guest, Dr. L. Haden
Bowden, Flg.-Offr. H. W. Dodds, N N. Gunter, R. J.
Bowles, F. G. (Nuneaton) Driberg, T. E. N. Guy, W. H.
Braddock, Mrs. E. M. (L'pl, Exch'ge) Dugdale, J. (W. Bromwich) Haire, John E. (Wycombe)
Braddock, T. (Mitcham) Durbin, E. F. M. Hale, Leslie
Brook, D. (Halifax) Dye, S. Hall, W. G.
Brooks, T. J. (Rothwell) Ede, Rt. Hon. J. C. Hamilton, Lieut.-Col. R
Brown, George (Belper) Edwards, John (Blackburn) Hannan, W. (Maryhill)
Brown, T. J. (Ince) Edwards, N. (Caerphilly) Hardy, E. A.
Burden, T. W. Edwards, W. J. (Whitechapel) Harrison, J.
Burke, W. A. Evans, E. (Lowestoft) Hastings, Dr. Somerville
Butler, H. W. (Hackney S.) Evans, John (Ogmore) Haworth, J
Callaghan, James Evans, S. N. (Wednesbury) Henderson, A (Kingswinford)
Carmichael, James Ewart, R. Henderson, Joseph (Ardwick)
Castle, Mrs. B. A. Fairhurst, F. Hewitson, Capt. M
Chamberlain, R. A. Farthing, W. J. Hicks, G.
Champion, A. J. Field, Captain W. J. Hobson, C. R

Question, "That the Amendment be made ", put, and agreed to.

Several Hon. Members

No.

Mr. Speaker

I warn hon. Members that this might be regarded as frivolous obstruction, since the House has passed this Amendment about seven times already. The "Ayes" have it. The next Amendment is in page 99, to leave out lines 26 to 42.

Mr. William Teeling (Brighton)

On a point of Order. Several hon. Members shouted "No."

Mr. Speaker

It was after I had collected the voices and passed on to the next Amendment.

Amendment made: In page 99, line 5, leave out "obligations and."—[Mr. Barnes.]

Amendment proposed: In page 99, to leave out lines 26 to 42.—[Mr. Barnes.]

Question put, "That the Amendment be made."

The House divided: Ayes, 322; Noes, 42.

Holman, P. Monslow, W. Solley, L. J.
Holmes, H. E (Hemsworth) Moody, A. S. Sorensen, R. W.
House, G Morgan, Dr. H. B Soskice, Maj. Sir F.
Hoy, J. Morley, R Sparks, J. A.
Hubbard, T. Morris, Lt.-Col. H. (Sheffield, C.) Stamford, W
Hudson, J. H (Ealing, W.) Morris, P. (Swansea, W.) Steele, T.
Hughes, Hector (Aberdeen, N.) Mort, D. L. Stephen, C.
Hughes, H. D. (Wolverhampton. W.) Moyle, A. Stewart, Capt. Michael (Fulham, E.)
Hutchinson, H. L. (Rusholme) Murray, J. D. Strauss, G. R. (Lambeth)
Hynd, H. (Hackney, C.) Nally, W. Stubbs, A. E.
Hynd, J. B. (Attercliffe) Neal, H. (Claycross) Summerskill, Dr. Edith
Irving, W. J. Nicholls, H. R. (Stratford) Swingler, S.
Isaacs, Rt Hon. G A Noel-Baker, Capt. F. E. (Brentford) Sylvester, G. O.
Janner, B. Noel-Baker, Rt. Hon. P. J. (Derby) Symonds, A. L.
Jay, D. P. T. Noel-Buxton, Lady Taylor, H. B. (Mansfield)
Jeger, G. (Winchester) O'Brien, T. Taylor, R. J. (Morpeth)
Jeger, Or. S W. (St. Pancras, S.E.) Oldfield, W. H Taylor, Dr. S. (Barnet)
John, W. Oliver, G. H Thomas, D. E. (Aberdare)
Jones, Rt. Hon. A. C. (Shipley) Paget, R. T. Thomas, I. O. (Wrekin)
Jones, D. T. (Hartlepools) Paling, Rt. Hon. Wilfred (Wentworth) Thomas, George (Gardiff)
Jones, Elwyn (Plaistow) Paling, Will T. (Dewsbury) Thomson, Rt. Hn. G. R. (Ed'b'gh, E.)
Jones, J. H. (Bolton) Palmer, A. M. F. Thorneycroft, Harry (Clayton)
Jones, P. Asterley (Hitchin) Pargiter, G. A Thurtle, Ernest
Keenan, W. Parker, J. Tiffany, S.
Kendall, W. D Parkin, B. T. Titterington, M. F.
Key, C. W. Paton, Mrs. F. (Rushcliffe) Tolley, L.
King, E. M Paton, J. (Norwich) Turner-Samuels, M.
Kinley, J Peart, Capt. T. F Ungoed-Thomas, L.
Kirkwood, D Piratin, P. Usborne, Henry
Lavers, S. Platts-Mills, J F. F. Vernon, Maj. W. F
Lee, F. (Hulme Poole, Major Cecil (Lichfield) Viant, S. P.
Lee, Miss J. (Cannock) Popplewell, E. Wadsworth, G.
Leonard, W. Porter, E. (Warrington) Walkden, E.
Leslie, J. R Porter, G. (Leeds) Walker, G. H.
Lewis, A. W. J. (Upton) Price, M. Philips Wallace, C. D. (Chislehurst)
Lewis, J. (Bolton) Pritt, D. N. Wallace, H. W. (Walthamstow, E.)
Lewis, T. (Southampton) Proctor, W. T. Warbey, W. N.
Lindgren, G. S. Pryde, D. J. Watkins, T. E.
Lipton, Lt.-Col. M Pursey, Cmdr. H Watson, W. M.
Logan, D. G. Randall, H. E Webb, M. (Bradford, C.)
Longden, F Ranger, J. Weitzman, D.
Lyne, A. W. Reeves, J. Wells, P. L. (Faversham)
McAdam, W. Reid, T. (Swindon) Wells, W T. (Walsall)
McEntee, V. La T. Rhodes, H. West, D. G.
McGhee, H. G. Richards, R. Westwood, Rt. Hon. J.
McKay, J (Wallsend) Ridealgh, Mrs. M White, H. (Derbyshire, N.E.)
Mackay, R. W. G. (Hull, N.W.) Robens, A. Whiteley, Rt. Hon. W
McKinlay, A. S Roberts, Goronwy, (Caernarvonshire) Wigg, Colonel C. E.
McLeavy, F. Robertson, J. J. (Berwick) Wilcock, Group-Capt. C. A. B
McNeil, Rt. Hon. H. Ross, Willlam (Kilmarnock) Wilkes, L.
Macpherson, T. (Romford) Royle, C. Wilkins, W. A.
Mainwaring. W. H Sargood, R. Willey, F. T. (Sunderland)
Mallalieu, J. P. W. Scollan, T. Williams, D. J. (Neath)
Mann, Mrs. J. Scott-Elliot, W. Williams, J. L. (Kelvingrove)
Manning, C. (Camberwell, N.) Shackleton, E. A. A Williams, W. R. (Heston)
Manning, Mrs. L. (Epping) Sharp, Granville Williamson, T
Marquand, H. A. Shawcross, Rt. Hon. Sir H. (St. Helens) Willis, E.
Marshall, F. (Brightside) Shurmer, P. Wills, Mrs E. A
Mathers, G. Silverman, J. (Erdington) Wise, Major F J
Mayhew, C. P Silverman, S. S. (Nelson) Woodburn, A
Medland, H. M Skeffington, A. M. Wyatt, W.
Mellish, R. J Skeffington-Lodge, T. C Yates, V. F.
Messer, F. Skinnard, F. W. Young, Sir R. (Newton)
Mikardo, Ian Smith, C. (Colchester) Younger, Hon. Kenneth
Millington, Wing-Comdr. E. R. Smith, S. H. (Hull, S.W.)
Mitchison, Major G R Snow, Capt. J. W. TELLERS FOR THE AYES:
Mr. Pearson and Mr. Simmons.
NOES.
Aitken, Hon. Max Duthie, W. S Macpherson, Maj. N. (Dumfries)
Astor, Hon. M. Fox, Sir G. Marlowe, A. A. H.
Barlow, Sir J. Fraser. Maj. H. C. P. (Stone) Marsden, Capt. A.
Beamish, Maj. T. V. H Fraser, Sir I. (Lansdale) Mellor, Sir J.
Bennett, Sir P Glyn, Sir R. Moore, Lt.-Col. Sir T
Bullock, Capt. M Haughton, S. G. Morrison, Maj. J. G. (Salisbury)
Butcher, H. W Henderson, John (Cathcart) Neven-Spence, Sir B.
Carson, E. Herbert, Sir A. P. Nicholson, G.
Cole, T. L. Holmes, Sir J. Stanley (Harwich) Roberts, Maj. P. G. (Ecclesall)
Cooper-Key, E. M. Jennings, R. Scott, Lord W.
Crosthwaite-Eyre, Col. O. E. Lambert, Hon. G. Spence, H. R.
De la Bère, R. Langford-Holt, J. Wheatley, Colonel M. J
Donner, Sqn.-Ldr. P. W. Lipson, D. L.
Dower, E. L. G. (Caithness) Lucas, Maj. Sir J. TELLERS FOR THE NOES:
Drayson, G. B. McKie, J. H. (Galloway) Mr. Teeling and Sir W. Darling.

Amendment proposed: In page 100, to leave out lines 10 to 15.[Mr. Barnes.]

Question put, "That the Amendment be made."

Division No. 168.] AYES. [10.35 p.m.
Adams, Richard (Balham) Edwards, N. (Caerphilly) Lee, F. (Hulme)
Adams, W. T. (Hammersmith, South) Edwards, W. J. (Whitechapel) Lee, Miss J. (Cannock)
Alexander, Rt. Hon. A. V. Evans, E. (Lowestoft) Leonard, W.
Allen, A. C. (Bosworth) Evans, John (Ogmore) Leslie, J. R.
Allen, Scholefield (Crewe) Evans, S. N. (Wednesbury) Lewis, A. W. J. (Upton)
Alpass, J. H. Ewart, R. Lewis, J. (Bolton)
Anderson, F. (Whitehaven) Fairhurst, F. Lewis, T. (Southampton)
Attlee, Rt. Hon. C. R. Farthing, W. J. Lindgren, G. S.
Ayrton Gould, Mrs. B. Field, Capt. W. J. Lipton, Lt.-Col. M.
Bacon, Miss A. Fletcher, E. G. M. (Islington, E.) Logan, D. G.
Baird, J. Follick, M. Longden, F.
Barnes, Rt. Hon. A. J. Foot, M. M. Lyne, A. W.
Barton, C. Forman, J. C. McAdam, W.
Battley, J. R. Foster, W. (Wigan) McEntee, V. La T.
Bechervaise, A. E. Fraser, T. (Hamilton) McGhee, H. G.
Benson, G. Freeman, Maj. J. (Watford) McKay, J. (Wallsend)
Berry, H. Freeman, Peter (Newport) Mackay, R. W. G. (Hull, N.W.)
Beswick, F. Gaitskell, H. T. N. McKinlay, A. S.
Bevan, Rt. Hon. A. (Ebbw Vale) Gallacher, W. Maclean, N. (Govan)
Bing, G. H. C. Gibbins, J. McLeavy, F.
Binns, J. Gibson, C. W McNeil, Rt. Hon. H.
Blackburn, A. R. Gilzean, A. Macpherson, T. (Romford)
Blenkinsop, A. Gooch, E. G. Mainwaring, W. H
Blyton, W. R. Goodrich, H. E. Mallalieu, J. P. W.
Boardman, H. Gordon-Walker, P. C Mann, Mrs. J.
Bottomley, A. G. Granville, E. (Eye) Manning, C. (Camberwell, N.)
Bowden, Flg.-Offr. H. W. Greenwood, A. W. J. (Heywood) Manning, Mrs. L. (Epping)
Bowles, F. G. (Nuneaton) Grey, C. F. Marquand, H. A.
Braddock, Mrs. E. M. (L'pl, Exch'ge) Grierson, E. Marshall, F. (Brightside)
Braddock, T. (Mitcham) Griffiths, D. (Rother Valley) Mothers, G.
Brook, D. (Halifax) Griffiths, Rt. Hon. J. (Llanelly) Medland, H. M
Brooks, T. J. (Rothwell) Griffiths, W. D. (Moss Side) Mellish, R. J.
Brown, George (Belper) Gunter, R. J. Messer, F.
Brown, T. J. (Ince) Guy, W. H. Mikardo, Ian
Buchanan, G. Haire, John E. (Wycombe) Millington, Wing-Comdr. E. R
Burden, T. W. Hale, Leslie Mitchison, G. R.
Burke, W. A. Hall, W. G. Monslow, W.
Butler, H. W. (Hackney, S.) Hamilton, Lieut.-Col. R. Moody, A. S.
Callaghan, James Hardy, E. A. Morgan, Dr. H. B
Carmichael, James Harrison, J. Morley, R.
Castle, Mrs. B A. Hastings, Dr. Somerville Morris, Lt.-Col. H. (Sheffield, C.)
Chamberlain, R. A. Haworth, J. Morris, P. (Swansea, W.)
Champion, A. J. Henderson, A. (Kingswinford) Mart, D. L.
Chetwynd, G. R. Henderson, Joseph (Ardwick) Moyle, A.
Clitherow, Dr. R. Hewitson, Captain M. Murray, J. D.
Cobb, F. A. Hicks, G. Nally, W.
Cocks, F. S. Hobson, C. R. Neal, H. (Claycross)
Coldrick, W. Holman, P. Nicholls, H. R. (Stratford)
Collins, V. J. Holmes, H. E. (Hemsworth) Noel-Baker, Capt. F. E. (Brantford)
Comyns, Dr. L. House, G. Noel-Baker, Rt. Hon. P J. (Derby)
Cook, T. F. Hoy, J. Noel-Buxton, Lady
Cooper, Wing-Comdr. G. Hubbard, T. Oldfield, W. H
Corbel, Mrs. F. K. (Camb'well, N.W.) Hudson, J. H. (Ealing, W.) Oliver, G. H.
Corlett, Dr. J. Hughes, Hector (Aberdeen, N.) Paget, R. T.
Corvedale, Viscount Hughes, H. D. (W'lverh'pton, W.) Paling, Rt, Hon. Wilfred (Wentworth)
Crossman, R. H. S. Hutchinson, H. L. (Rusholme) Paling, Will T. (Dewsbury)
Daggar, G. Hynd, H. (Hackney, C.) Pargiter, G. A.
Daines, P Hynd, J. B. (Attercliffe) Parker, J.
Davies, Edward (Burslem) Irving, W. J. Parkin. B. T.
Davies, Ernest (Enfield) Janner, B. Paton, Mrs. F. (Rushcliffe)
Davies, Harold (Leek) Jay, D. P. T. Paton, J. (Norwich)
Davies, Hadyn (St. Pancras, S.W.) Jeger, C. (Winchester) Pearson, A.
Davies, R. J. (Westhoughton) Jager, Dr. S. W. (St. Pancras, S.E.) Peart, Capt. T. F
Davies, S. O. (Merthyr) Jones, Rt. Hon. A. C. (Shipley) Piratin, P.
Deer, G. Jones, D. T. (Hartfepools) Plaits-Mills, J. F. F.
de Freitas, Geoffrey Jones, Elwyn (Plaistow) Poole, Major Cecil (Lichfield)
Delargy, H. J. Jones, J. H. (Bolton) Popplewell, E.
Diamond, J. Jones, P. Asterley (Hitchin) Porter, E. (Warrington)
Dobbie, W. Keenan, W. Porter, G. (Leeds)
Dodds, N. N. Kendall, W. D. Price, M. Philips
Driberg, T. E. N. Key, C. W. Pritt, D. N.
Dugdale, J. (W. Bromwich) King, E. M. Proctor, W. T.
Durbin, E. F. M. Kinghorn, Sqn.-Ldr. E. Pryde, D. J.
Dye, S. Kinley, J. Pursey, Cmdr. H
Ede, Rt. Hon. J. C. Kirkwood, D Randall, H. E
Edwards, John (Blackburn) Lavers, S. Ranger, J.

The House divided: Ayes, 316; Noes, 35.

Rankin, J. Stephen, C. Watson, W. M.
Reeves, J. Stewart, Capt. Michael (Fulham, E.) Webb, M. (Bradford, C.)
Reid, T. (Swindon) Strauss, G. R. (Lambeth) Weitzman, D.
Rhodes, H. Stubbs, A. E. Wells, P. L. (Faversham)
Richards, R. Summerskill, Dr. Edith Wells, W. T. (Walsall)
Robens, A. Swingler, S. West. D G.
Roberts, Goronwy (Caernarvonshire) Sylvester, G. O. Westwood, Rt. Hon. J.
Robertson, J. J (Berwick) Symonds, A. L. White, H. (Derbyshire, N.E.)
Royle, C. Taylor, H. B. (Mansfield) Whiteley, Rt. Hon. W.
Sargood, R. Taylor, R. J. (M[...]. peth) Wigg, Colonel G. E.
Scollan, T. Taylor, Dr. S. (Barnet) Wilcock, Group-Capt. C. A. B
Scott-Elliot, W Thomas, D. E. (Aberdare) Wilkes, L.
Shackleton, E. A. A Thomas, I. O. (Wrekin) Wilkins, W. A.
Sharp, Granville Thomas, George (Cardiff) Willey, F. T. (Sunderland)
Shawcross, Rt. Hn. Sir H. (St. Helens) Thomson, Rt. Hn. G. R. (Ed'b'gh, E.) Williams, D. J. (Neath)
Shurmer, P. Thorneycroft, Harry (Clayton) Williams, J. L. (Kelvingrove)
Silverman, J. (Erdington) Thurtle, Ernest Williams, W. R. (Heston)
Silverman, S. S. (Nelson) Tiffany, S. Williamson, T.
Simmons, C. J. Titterington, M. F Willis, E.
Skeffington, A. M. Tolley, L. Wills, Mrs. E. A
Skeffington-Lodge, T. C Turner-Samuels, M. Wise, Major F J.
Skinnard, F. W. Ungoed-Thomas, L. Woodburn, A
Smith, C. (Colchester) Usborne, Henry Wyatt, W.
Smith. S. H. (Hull, S.W.) Vernon, Maj. W. F. Yates, V. F
Snow, Capt. J. W. Viant, S. P. Young, Sir R. (Newton)
Solley, L. J. Wadsworth, G Younger, Hon. Kenneth
Sorensen, R. W. Walker, G. H.
Soskice, Maj. Sir F Wallace, G. D. (Chislehurst) TELLERS FOR THE AYES:
Sparks, J. A. Wallace, H. W. (Walthamstow, E.) Mr. Collindridge and
Stamford, W. Warbey, W. N. Mr. Hannan
Steele, T. Watkins, T. E.
NOES.
Aitken, Hon. Max Donner, Sqn.-Ldr. P. W. Marsden, Capt A.
Astor, Hon. M. Dower, E. L. C. (Caithness) Mellor, Sir J.
Barlow, Sir J. Duthie, W. S Moore, Lt.-Col. Sir T.
Beamish, Maj. T. V. H Fox, Sir G. Morrison, Maj. J. G. (Salisbury)
Beechman, N. A. Fraser, H. C. P. (Stone) Neven-Spence, Sir B.
Bromley-Davenport, Lt.-Col. W Fraser, Sir I. (Lonsdale) Roberts, Maj. P. G. (Ecclesall)
Bullock, Capt. M. Haughton, S. G. Spence, H. R.
Butcher, H. W Henderson, John (Cathcart) Teeling, Willlam
Carson, E. Holmes, Sir J. Stanley (Harwich) Wheatley, Colonel M. J.
Cole, T. L. Lambert, Hon. G.
Crosthwaite-Eyre, Col. O. E Langford-Holt, J. TELLERS FOR THE NOES:
Darling, Sir W. Y. MacDonald, Sir M. (Inverness) Major N. Macpherson and
De la Bère, R. Marlowe, A A. H. Sir A. Herbert