HC Deb 01 September 1909 vol 10 cc357-8
Mr. ARKWRIGHT

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what was his estimate of the spirit retailer's off-licence, the beer retailer's off-licence, and the wine retailer's off-licence on the basis of the sales contained in the Finance Bill as introduced; and what is his estimate of the yield of the duties on these licences on the basis of the sales contained in the Amendments of which he has given notice?

Mr. HOBHOUSE

My right hon. Friend's estimate of £2,600,000, as the anticipated increase of Licence Duties generally, was arrived at by reference to the existing number of licences, allowance being made for a possible reduction of those numbers in consequence of the increased duties. I am afraid I am not in a position to give an estimate of the yield of the particular licences referred to in the question.

Mr. J. C. FLYNN

Can the right hon. Gentleman give any idea how the estimate as regards Ireland was arrived at?

Mr. HOBHOUSE

It is not possible in an answer to questions to give details showing how estimates are arrived at.

Mr. G. YOUNGER

Can the right hon. Gentleman tell the House how many licences were in that particular estimate assumed to be extinguished?

Mr. HOBHOUSE

I do not think I am able to do that.

Mr. JOYNSON-HICKS

Has the right hon. Gentleman no estimate of the effects of the Amendments to be proposed this afternoon?

Mr. HOBHOUSE

It is hardly convenient at Question Time to anticipate the Debate to be taken later in the sitting.

Mr. GEORGE D. FABER (York)

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what decrease he anticipates in the yield of Licence Duties under the Finance Bill as compared with his original estimate if the concessions in regard to the duties on off-licences contained in the Amendments of which he has given notice are embodied in the Bill?

Mr. HOBHOUSE

I would refer the hon. Member to my answer to the hon. Member for Hereford.

Mr. G. D. FABER

What is the estimated decrease in the £2,600,000 which was the estimated increase in the Licence Duty, by reason of the concessions now foreshadowed by the Chancellor of the Exchequer?

Mr. HOBHOUSE

It is impossible to give that.

Mr. G. D. FABER

Have the Government agreed to make these concessions without considering what they represent in money?

Mr. HOBHOUSE

I do not think all concessions are to be measured by the amount of money they represent?

Mr. G. D. FABER

Then by what is a concession to be measured—is it by votes?

Mr. HOBHOUSE

Concessions are usually looked upon as acts of grace.

Mr. JOYNSON-HICKS

What is the estimate of the amount of money that will be received if the Bill passes with the proposals to be made this afternoon?

Mr. ROBERT DUNCAN

Will the right hon. Gentleman publish the figures?