§ Motion made, and Question proposed, "That the proceedings on the Address in answer to His Majesty's Speech shall, until concluded, have precedence of all other Orders of the Day and of Notices 781 of Motions at all Sittings for which they are set down."—(Mr. A. J. Balfour.)
MR. GIBSON BOWLES (Lynn Regis)asked a little consideration on this matter from the Prime Minister. He pointed out that the consequence of the Motion would be to deprive private Members of several days of their time, and he asked the First Lord to give an assurance that opportunity would be found for the discussion of such subjects as the financial arrangements of the country and the Sugar Convention, if the Amendments relating to them were not reached during the debate on the Address. He wanted an undertaking that the right hon. Gentleman would not closure the debate until these subjects had been debated; and he would point out——
§ MR. SPEAKEROrder, order! It is irregular to debate the closure beforehand.
MR. GIBSON BOWLESsaid that in his opinion there would be no opportunity for discussing these questions in the House except on the Address.
§ MR. SPEAKERThe hon. Member is not entitled to argue the question of the closure.
§ do trust the right hon. Gentleman will exercise some discretion before bringing the debate to a conclusion, and I make this appeal to him.
§ THE PRIME MINISTER AND FIRST LORD OF THE TREASURY (Mr. A. J. BALFOUR, Manchester, E.)said he did not quarrel with the appeal of the hon. Member, but he must demur to the suggestion that the Government were taking private Members' time during the discussion of the Address. No doubt, in a formal sense, it was Government business; but the whole debate was a discussion by private Members of questions that interested private Members, and in every respect, from the private Members' point of view, it was a fuller and more convenient opportunity for discussing such matters than those which commonly presented themselves in the session. The Motion with regard to national expenditure would clearly be relevant to the Budget, and he sincerely hoped that, within proper limits, every question which hon. Members desired to discuss might be discussed before the termination of the Address.
§ Question put.
§ The House divided:—Ayes, 203; Noes, 145. (Division List No. 5.)
783| AYES. | ||
| Agg-Gardner, James Tynte | Campbell, J. H. M. (DublinUniv. | Fardell, Sir T. George |
| Agnew, Sir Andrew Noel | Carlile, William Walter | Fergusson, Rt. Hn. Sir J. (Manc"r |
| Allhusen, Augustus H. Eden | Carson, Rt. Hn. Sir Edw. H. | Finlay, Sir K. B. (Inv'ru'ssB'ghs) |
| Allsopp, Hon. George | Cavendish. R. F. (N. Lanes.) | Fisher, William Hayes |
| Anson, Sir William Reynell | Cavendish,V. C. W (Derbyshire | Fison, Frederick William |
| Arkwright, John Stanhope | Cecil, Lord Hugh (Greenwich) | FitzGerald, Sir Robert Penrose |
| Arnold-Forster, Rt. Hn. H. O. | Chamberlain,Rt.Hn.J A. (Wore. | Fitzroy, Hn. Edward Algernon |
| Arrol, Sir William | Chapman, Edward | Flannery, Sir Fortescue |
| Atkinson, Rt. Hon. John | Cochrane, Hon. Thos. H. A. E. | Flower, Sir Ernest |
| Bagot, Capt. JoscelineFitzRoy | Cohen, Benjamin Louis | Forster, Henry William |
| Bain, Colonel James Robert | Ceilings, Rt. Hon. Jesse | Galloway, William Johnson |
| Baird, Jolm George Alexander | Colomb, Rt. Hn. Sir John C. R. | Gardner, Ernest |
| Balcarres, Lord | Colston, Chas. Edw. H. Athole | Garfit, William |
| Balfour, Rt. Hon. A. J. (Manch'r | Corbett, T. L. (Down, North) | Gordon, Hn. J. E. (Elgin & Nairn |
| Balfour,RtHn Gerald W(Leeds | Craig, Charles Curtis (Antrim,S | Gordon, J. (Londonderry, S.) |
| Barry, Sir Francis T.(Windsor) | Cripps, Charles Alfred | Gordon.Maj Evans (TrH'mlcts |
| Bartley, Sir George C. T. | Cross, Alexander (Glasgow) | Gore, Hon. S. F. Ormsby |
| Bhownaggree, Sir M. M. | Crossley, Rt. Hon. Sir Savile | Gorst, Rt. Hon. Sir John Eldon |
| Blundell, Colonel Henry | Dalrymple, Sir Charles | Goulding, Edward Alfred |
| Bond, Edward | Davenport, William Bromle | Graham, Henry Robert |
| Boscawen, Arthur Griffith | Davies, Sir Horatio D(Chatham | Gray, Ernest (West Ham) |
| Boulnois. Edmund | Denny, Colonel | Greene, Sir E. W. (B'ryS Edm'nds |
| Bowles, T. Gibson (King'sLynn | Dickson, Charles Scott | Greene, Henry D. (Shrewsbury) |
| Brodrick, Rt. Hon. St. John | Douglas, Rt. Hon. A. Akers | Grenfell, William Henry |
| Brymer, William Ernest | Dyke. Rt. Tin. Sir WilliamHart | Hamilton. Mar. of (L'nd'nderry |
| Bull, William James | Eeerton. Hon. A. de Tatton | Hardy. Laurence(Kent,Ashford |
| Campbell,Rt. Hn.J.A.(Glasgow | Elliot, Hon. A. Ralph Douglas | Hare, Thomas Leigh |
| Haslam, Sir Alfred S. | M'lver, Sir Lewis (Edinburgh W | Seton-Karr, Sir Henry |
| Haslett, Sir James Horner | Majendie, James A. H. | Sharpe, William Edward T. |
| Heath, Sir James (Staffords N. W | Marks, Harry Hananel | Sinclair, Louis (Romford) |
| Heaton, John Henniker | Maxwell, Rt Hn Sir H. E. (Wigt'n | Sloan, Thomas Henry |
| Henderson, Sir A. (Stafford, W. | Milvain, Thomas | Smith, Abel H. (Hertford, East) |
| Hermon-Hodge, Sir Robert T. | Mitchell, Ed. (Fermanagh, N.) | Smith, H. C (North'mb, Tyneside |
| Hoare, Sir Samuel | Montagu, G. (Huntingdon) | Smith, RtHnJ Parker (Lanarks |
| Hobhouse, Rt. Hn. H. (Somers'tE | Montagu, Hon. J. Scott (Hants | Smith, Hn. W. F. D. (Strand) |
| Hogg, Lindsay | Moon, Edward Robert Pacy | Stanley, Hn. Arthur (Ormskirk |
| Hope, J. F. (Sheffield, Brightside | Moore, William | Stanley, Rt. Hon. Lord (Lanes. |
| Hornby, Sir William Henry | Morpeth, Viscount | Stewart, Sir Mark J. M'Taggart |
| Horner, Frederick William | Morrell, George Herbert | Stone, Sir Benjamin |
| Houldsworth, Sir Wm. Henry | Morton, Arthur H. Aylmer | Talbot, Lord E. (Chichester) |
| Houston, Robert Paterson | Mount, William Arthur | Taylor, Austin (East Toxteth) |
| Howard, J. Midd., Tottenham) | Mowbray, Sir Robert Gray, C. | Thornton, Percy M. |
| Hozier, Hn. James Henry Cecil | Murray, Charles J. (Coventry) | Tomlinson, Sir Wm. Edw. M. |
| Hunt, Rowland | Nicholson, William Graham | Tuff, Charles |
| Jessel, Capt. Herbert Merton | Palmer, Sir Walter (Salisbury | Tufnell, Lieut.-Col. Edward |
| Kennaway, Rt. Hn. Sir John H. | Pease, Herbert Pike(Darlington | Tuke, Sir John Batty |
| Kenyon-Slaney, Rt. Hn.Col.W. | Peel, Hn. W. R. Wellesley | Tumour, Viscount |
| Kerr, John | Percy, Earl | Valentia, Viscount |
| Kimber, Sir Henry | Pierpoint, Robert | Vincent, Sir Edgar (Exeter) |
| Lambton, Hn. Frederick Wm. | Pilkington, Colonel Richard | Walrond, Rt. Hn. Sir William H |
| Laurie, Lieut.-General | Platt-Higgins, Frederick | Wanklyn, James Leslie |
| Law, Andrew Bonar (Glasgow) | Plummer, Sir Walter R. | Warde, Colonel C. E. |
| Lawson, Hn. H. L. W. (Mile End | Pretyman, Ernest George | Welby, Lt-Col. A. C. E. (Taunton |
| Lawson, John Grant Yorks. N R | Purvis. Robert | Welby, Sir Charles G. E. (Notts. |
| Lee, Arthur H. (Hants. Fareham | Pym, C. Guy | Wharton, Rt. Hon. John Lloyd |
| Legge, Col. Hon. Heneage | Randies, John S. | Whitmore, Charles Algernon |
| Leveseon-Gower, Frederick N.S | Ratcliff, R. F. | Williams, Colonel R. (Dorset) |
| Lockwood, Lieut.-Col. A. R. | Reid, James (Greenock) | Wilson, John (Glasgow) |
| Long, Col. Charles W (Evesham | Renshaw, Sir Charles Bine | Wilson-Todd, Sir W. H. (Yorks. |
| Long, Rt. Hn. Walter (Bristol, S. | Ridley, S. Forde | Wodehouse, Rt. Hn. E. R. (Bath |
| Lonsdale, John Brownlee | Roberts, Samuel (Sheffield) | Worsley-Taylor, Henry Wilson |
| Lowe, Francis William | Robertson, Herbert (Hackney) | Worsley, Rt. Hn. C. B. Stuart |
| Lowther, C. (Cumb., Eskdale) | Rolleston, Sir John F. L. | Wyndham, Rt. Hon. George |
| Loyd, Archie Kirkman | Rollit, Sir Albert Kaye | |
| Lucas, Col, Francis (Lowestoft) | Round, Rt. Hon. James | TELLERS FOR THE AYES— |
| Lucas, Reginald J (Portsmouth | Royds, Clement Molyneux | Sir Alexander Acland- |
| Lyttelton, Rt. Hon. Alfred | Rutherford, John (Lancashire) | Hood and Mr. Ailwyn |
| Macdona, John Cumming | Samuel, Sir H. S. (Limehouse) | Fellowes. |
| M'Arthur, Charles (Liverpool) | Sandys, Lieut.-Col. T. Myles | |
| M'Calmont, Colonel James | Scott, Sir S. (Marylebone, W.) | |
| NOES. | ||
| Abraham, William (Cork, N. E. | Devlin, Joseph (Kilkenny, N.) | Griffith, Ellis J. |
| Asher, Alexander | Dewar, John A. (Inverness-sh. | Hammond, John |
| Ashton, Thomas Gair | Dilke, Rt. Hon, Sir Charles | Hardie, J. Keir (Merthyr Tydvil |
| Barry, E. (Cork, S.) | Dillon, John | Harrington, Timothy |
| Bayley, Thomas (Derbyshire) | Dobbie, Joseph | Hayden, John Patrick |
| Black Alexander William | Donelan, Captain A. | Healy, Timothy Michael |
| Blake, Edward | Doogan, P. C. | Hemphill, Rt. Hon. Charles H. |
| Brigg, John | Douglas, Charles M. (Lanark) | Higham, John Sharpe |
| Bright, Allan Heywood | Duffy, William J. | Holland, Sir William Henry |
| Buchanan, Thomas Ryburn | Ellice, Capt EC(SAndrw's B'ghs | Hope, John Deans (Fife, West) |
| Burke, E. Haviland | Ellis, John Edward (Notts.) | Hutchinson, Dr. Charles Fredk |
| Buxton, Sydney Charles | Emmott, Alfred | Johnson, John |
| Caldwell, James | Esmonde, Sir Thomas | Jones, William (Carnarvonshire |
| Campbell, John (Armagh, S.) | Evans, Sir Francis H. (Maidstone | Jordan, Jeremiah |
| Campbell-Bannerman, Sir H. | Farrell, James Patrick | Joyce, Michael |
| Channing, Francis Allston | Fenwick, Charles | Kearley, Hudson E. |
| Cheetham, John Frederick | Ferguson, R. C. Munro (Leith) | Kennedy, P. J. (Westmeath, N. |
| Churchill, Winston Spencer | Ffrench, Peter | Kennedy, Vincent P. (Cavan, W. |
| Clancy, John Joseph | Field, William | Kilbride, Denis |
| Cogan, Denis J. | Findlay, Alex. (Lanark, N. E. | Labouchere, Henry |
| Condon, Thomas Joseph | Flavin, Michael Joseph | Law, Hugh Alex. (Donegal, W. |
| Crean, Eugene | Flynn, James Christopher | Layland-Barratt, Francis |
| Crombie, John William | Foster, Sir Walter (Derby Co.) | Leese, Sir Joseph F. (Accrington |
| Cullinan, J. | Fuller, J. M. F. | Levy, Maurice |
| Deiany, William | Goddard, Daniel Ford | Lough, Thomas |
| Devlin, Chas. Ramsay (Galway | Grant, Corrie | Lundon, W. |
| Lyell, Charles Henry | O'Kelly, Conor (Mayo, N.) | Strachey, Sir Edward |
| Macnamara, Dr. Thomas J. | O'Kelly, James (Jroscommon, N | Sullivan, Donal |
| MacNeill, John Gordon Swift | O'Mara, James | Taylor, Theodore C. (Radcliffe) |
| MacVeagh, Jeremiah | O'Shaughnessy, P. J. | Thompson, Dr. E C (Monagh'n, N |
| M'Crae, George | O'Shee, James John | Thomson, F. W. (York, W. R.) |
| M'Fadden, Edward | Parrott, William | Toulmin, George |
| M'Hugh, Patrick A. | Perks, Robert William | Trevelyan, Charles Philips |
| M'Kean, John | Pirie, Duncan V. | Waldron, Laurence Ambrose |
| M'Kenna, Reginald | Power, Patrick Joseph | Warner, Thomas Courtenay T. |
| M'Killop, W. (Sligo, North) | Rea, Russell | Weir, James Galloway |
| Mooney, John J. | Reddy, M. | White, George (Norfolk) |
| Murnaghan, George | Redmond, John E. (Waterford | White, Luke (York, E. R.) |
| Murphy, John | Reid, Sir R. Threshie (Dumfries | White, Patrick (Meath, North) |
| Nannetti, Joseph P. | Robertson, Edmund (Dundee) | Whitley, J. H. (Halifax) |
| Nolan, Joseph (Louth, South) | Rose, Charles Day | Williams, Osmond (Merioneth) |
| Norton, Capt. Cecil William | Runciman, Walter | Wills, Arthur Walters (N. Dorset |
| O'Brien, James F. X. (Cork) | Russell, T. W. | Wilson John (Durham, Mid.) |
| O'Brien, Kendal(TipperaryMid | Samuel, Herbert L. (Cleveland | Woodhouse, Sir J. T. (Huddersf'd |
| O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny) | Shaw, Thomas (Hawick B.) | Young, Samuel |
| O'Brien, P. J. (Tipperary, N.) | Sheehy, David | |
| O'Connor, John (Kildare, N.) | Shipman, Dr. John G. | TELLERS FOR THE NOES—Mr. |
| O'Connor, T. P. (Liverpool) | Slack, John Bamford | Charles Hobhouse and Mr. |
| O'Donnell, John (Mayo, S.) | Soames, Arthur Wellesley | Soares. |
| O'Dowd, John | Spencer, Rt, Hn. C. R (Northants |