HC Deb 20 October 1902 vol 113 cc237-40
MR. LEAMY (Kildare, N.)

I beg to ask the Chief Secretary to the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland, how many Members of this House representing Irish constituencies have been sentenced to terms of imprisonment in Ireland during the past twelve months on charges based upon political speeches made by them; how many of them have been sentenced to hard labour; and will he say if such sentence involves sleeping on a plank bed and a dietary for several days of bread and water.

MR. WYNDHAM

Exclusive of the case of the hon. Member for East Clare, who has been ordered by the King's Bench Division to give sureties for good behaviour or to go to prison in default, seven Members wore convicted and sentenced to imprisonment during the past twelve months. One was convicted on three different occasions, and one on two occasions. Appeals were lodged against seven convictions; in four cases the convictions were confirmed, and in three the appeals are pending. Another †See (4) Debates, cxi., 1072, et seq conviction came before the Superior Court on a case stated, which was dismissed. Four Members were sentenced to hard labour; on appeal, this was removed in two cases. A sentence of hard labour involves sleeping on a plank bed, without a mattress, for the first fourteen days of sentence, unless the Medical Officer shall otherwise order.

MR. WILLIAM REDMOND

What about the raiders?

MR. SWIFT MACNEILL

What about Jameson? [Nationalist cheers and disorder.]

MR. WYNDHAM (continuing)

The Irish Prison Rules, like those in operation in England, prescribe that every prisoner shall be supplied with "a sufficient quantity of wholesome food, according to a scale or scales of diet." If the hon. Member will refer to these Rules, which have been laid on the Table of the House, he will find that a sentence of hard labour does not entail a dietary of bread and water.

MR. JOHN MORLEY (Montrose Burghs)

May I ask the right hon. Gentleman whether there has been any case before of proceedings under the Criminal Law and Procedure (Ireland) Act of 1887 where sentences of hard labour were imposed?

MR. WYNDHAM

In reply to a previous Question, I stated that there were 1,601. [A NATIONALIST MEMBER: That was the total convictions.]

MR. JOHN MORLEY

Cases with hard labour?

MR. WYNDHAM

Yes, Sir; 1,601 cases where the sentence imposed by the Court of First Instance entailed hard labour.

MR. SWIFT MACNEILL

Utterly wrong.

MR. JOHN MORLEY

Do you mean that under the administration of the Prime Minister in Ireland there were 1,601 cases of hard labour?

THE PRIME MINISTER AND FIRST LORD OF THE TREASURY (Mr. A. J. BALFOUR,) Manchester, E.

Under me, and subsequently.

MR. JOHN MORLEY

1,601 cases of hard labour?

MR. WYNDHAM

That is so.

MR. JOHN MORLEY

I mean, of course, for offences under the Criminal Law Procedure Amendment Act (Ireland), 1887?

MR. WYNDHAM

Yes, Sir.

MR. LOGAN

I desire to ask whether I am right in supposing that a sentence which carries with it hard labour also carries disqualification to sit as a county or district councillor.

* MR. SPEAKER

Order, order‡ That does not arise out of the Question. The Question has been fully answered.

MR. DEVLIN (Belfast S.)

I would ask, Sir——

* MR. SPEAKER

Order, order

MR. WILLIAM REDMOND

Closure him; he has only spoken once, like O'Donnell.

MR. DEVLIN

again rose.

* MR. SPEAKER

Order, order ‡ There must be some end to these supplementary Questions.

MR. DEVLIN

once more rose.

* MR. SPEAKER

Does the hon. Member rise on a point of order?

MR. DEVLIN

Yes, Sir. I want to know whether hard labour was inflicted on Mr. O'Brien when he was convicted.

* MR. SPEAKER

Order, order‡ I must ask the hon. Member to conform to the rules of the House. Rightly or wrongly, the Speaker has to be the judge in these matters, and I have given my decision.

MR. WILLIAM REDMOND

rose to put a further Question.

* MR SPEAKER

The hon. Member has been long in the House, and he must know that business cannot be properly conducted if Members persist in putting these supplementary Questions.

MR. WILLIAM REDMOND

I have no desire whatever to unduly prolong Questions, but am I not entitled to ask a Question arising out of a reply of the right hon. Gentleman as to the accuracy of one of the statements he made?

* MR. SPEAKER

The hon. Member should put down his Question. The Question on the Paper has been fully answered.

MR. WILLIAM REDMOND

Then I beg to give notice that I will put down a Question.

MR. MACVEAGH

Are you aware that the Clerks at the Table have repeatedly ruled that they cannot allow a Question bearing upon a Question which has already been answered?

* MR. SPEAKER

The rulings are given by me, and not by the Clerks at the Table. A Question may be put to elicit a particular fact without referring to an answer previously given.

MR. MACVEAGH

Mine has been rejected for that reason.