§ Considered in Committee.
§ (In the Committee.)
§ Motion made, and Question proposed, "That it is expedient to authorise the payment, out of moneys to be provided by Parliament, of certain annual grants to local education authorities in pursuance of any Act of the present session to make further provision with respect to education in England and Wales."—(Mr. A.J. Balfour.)
§ It being after half-past Four of the Clock, the CHAIRMAN, in pursuance of the Order of the House of the 11th instant, proceeded to put the Question forthwith.
1092§ MR.SAMUEL EVANS,seated, and with his hat on, asked whether there would be an opportunity of discussing in Committee the proposals of the Government which were the basis of this Financial Resolution, and which were only put on the Paper yesterday.
MR.BRYNMOR JONES (Swansea, District)asked what position they were now in with reference to this Resolution.
THE CHAIRMANThis is the Committee stage on the Financial Resolution which is referred to in the Resolution the House passed on 11th November. That Resolution says that the Committee stage of the Financial Resolution will be terminated on Friday, 14th November.
§ MR.SAMUEL EVANSMy point is that that Resolution was obtained from the House on the basis of the proposals of the Government which were put down 1093 so far back as 23rd July, and that the Government have substituted for these proposals other proposals which appeared on the Paper only yesterday or today.
§ MR.SAMUEL EVANSCan they be discussed?
§ MR. SAMUEL EVANSSupposing they are not reached until such time as the guillotine drops, can we then discuss them?
THE CHAIRMANThe first Order on Monday will be the Report of the Financial Resolution; that will open the door to discussion; and, if that is not sufficient, the new Clause relating to the aid grant will be the second Order.
| AYES. | ||
| Agg-Gardner, James Tynte | Cautley, Henry Strother | Egerton, Hon. A. de Tatton |
| Aird, Sir John | Cavendish, V. C. W. (Derbyshire | Fardell, Sir T. George |
| Anson, Sir William Reynell | Cayzer, Sir Charles William | Fellowes, Hon. Ailwyn Edward |
| Arkwright, John Stanhope | Cecil, Evelyn (Aston Manor) | Fergusson, Rt. Hn. Sir J(Manc'r |
| Arnold-Forster, Hugh O. | Chamberlain, Rt Hn J.A (Worc. | Fielden, Edward Brocklehurst |
| Arrol, Sir William | Chapman, Edward | Finlay, Sir Robert Bannatyne |
| Atkinson, Rt. Hon. John | Churchill, Winston Spencer | Fisher, William Hayes |
| Bain, Colonel James Robert | Clive, Captain Percy A. | Fletcher, Rt. Hon. Sir Henry |
| Baldwin, Alfred | Cochrane, Hon. Thos. H. A. E. | Flower, Ernest |
| Balfour, Rt. Hon. A.J.(Manch'r | Cohen, Benjamin Louis | Forster, Henry William |
| Balfour, Capt C. B.(Hornsey) | Collings, Rt. Hon. Jesse | Foster, Philip S(Warwick, S.W. |
| Balfour, Rt Hn Gerald W.(Leeds | Colston, Chas. Edw. H. Athole | Galloway, William Johnson |
| Balfour, Kenneth R.(Christch. | Cok, Sir Frederick Lucas | Gardner, Ernest |
| Barry, Sir Francis T.(Windsor | Corbett, A. Cameron (Glasgow) | Garfit, William |
| Bartley, George C. T. | Cox, Irwin Edward Bainbridge | Gibbs, Hn. A.G.H.(CityofLond. |
| Beresford, Lord Chas William | Cranborne, Viscount | Gibbs, Hon. Vicary (St. Albans) |
| Bignold, Arthur | Crossley, Sir Savile | Godson, Sir Augnstus Frederick |
| Bigwood, James | Cust, Henry John C. | Graham, Henry Robert |
| Blundell, Colonel Henry | Davenport, William Bromley- | Greene, Sir EW(B'ryS. Edm'nds |
| Bond, Edward | Davies, Alfred (Carmarthen) | Greene, Henry D. (Shrewsbury |
| Bowles, Capt. H.F. (Middlesex | Davies, Sir Horatio D.(Chatham | Grenfell, William Henry |
| Bowles, T. Gibson(King's Lynn) | Dickinson, Robert Edmond | Guest, Hon. Ivor Churchill |
| Brookfield, Colonel Montagu | Dickson-Poynder, Sir John P. | Guthrie, Walter Murray |
| Brown, Alexander H. (Shropsh | Dilke, Rt. Hon. Sir Charles | Hare, Thomas Leigh |
| Bull, William James | Dixon-Hartland, Sir Fred Dixon | Hay, Hon. Claude George |
| Butcher, John George | Douglas, Rt. Hon. A. Akers- | Hogg, Lindsay |
| Campbell, Rt. Hn. J.A.(Glasgow | Doxford, Sir William Theodore | Hope, J.F.(Sheffield, Brightside |
| Carew, James Laurence | Duke, Henry Edward | Horner, Frederick William |
| Carson, Rt. Hon. Sir Edw. H. | Durning-Lawrence, Sir Edwin | Howard, J. (Midd., Tottenham |
§ Mr. SAMUEL EVANSThat, of course, refers to the Report Stage of this Resolution, but the question is whether we shall have any opportunity in the Committee Stage which we are now in, of discussing the proposals which appeared on the paper for the first time yesterday, after the Closure Rule had been passed.
THE CHAIRMANThere will be no opportunity of discussing the Clause which was put down and has been withdrawn; there will be an opportunity of discussing the Clause now on the Paper.
§ MR.SAMUEL EVANSBut can we not discuss this Resolution in Committee?
§ (5.28.) Question Put.
§ The Committee divided:—Ayes. 191; Noes,46. (Division List No.537.)
| Hozier, Hon. James Henry Cecil | Mowbray, Sir Robert Gray C. | Smith, James Parker(Lanarks.) |
| Hudson, George Bickersteth | Murray Rt Hn. A. Graham (Bute | Smith, Hon. W. F. D. (Strand) |
| Kemp, George | Murray, Charles J. (Coventry) | Spencer, Sir E. (W. Bromwich) |
| Kennedy, Patrick James | Myers, William Henry | Stanley, Hn. Arthur(Ormskirk |
| Kenyon, Hon. Geo. T,(Denbigh. | Nicol, Donald Ninian | Stanley, Edward Jas.(Somerset |
| King, Sir Henry Seymour | Nolan, Col. John P. (Galway, N. | Stirling-Maxwell, Sir John M. |
| Lambton, Hon. Frederick Wm. | O'Doherty, William | Stone, Sir Benjamin |
| Law, Andrew Bonar (Glasgow) | Orr-Ewing, Charles Lindsay | Talbot, Lord E. (Chichester) |
| Lawson, John Grant | Palmer, Walter (Salisbury) | Talbot, Rt. Hn J.G. (Oxf'd Univ. |
| Lecky, Rt. Hn. William Edw. H. | Parker, Sir Gilbert | Thompson, Dr. EC(Monagh'n, N |
| Legge, Col. Hon. Heneage | Pease, Herbert Pike (Darlingt'n | Thornton, Percy M. |
| Leigh-Bennett, Henry Currie | Percy, Earl | Tomlinson, Sir Wm. Edw. M. |
| Leveson-Gower, Frederick N.S. | Pierpoint, Robert | Tritton, Charles Ernest |
| Loder, Gerald Walter Erskine | Platt-Higgins, Frederick | Tufnell, Lieut.-Col. Edward |
| Long, Col. Charles W.(Evesham | Plummer, Walter R. | Tuke, Sir John Batty |
| Long, Rt Hn. Walter(Bristol, S.) | Powell, Sir Francis Sharp | Valentia, Viscount |
| Lowe, Francis William | Pretyman, Ernest George | Vincent, Col. Sir CEH (Sheffield |
| Lowther, C. (Cumb., Eskdale) | Purvis, Robert | Walrond, Rt. Hn Sir William H. |
| Lucas, Reginald J. (Portsmouth | Pym, C. Guy | Wanklyn, James Leslie |
| Lyttelton, Hon. Alfred | Rattigan, Sir William Henry | Warde, Lt.-Col. A. C. E. |
| Macdona, John Cumming | Reid, James (Greenock) | Welby, Lt-Col. A. C. E (Taunton |
| MacIver, David (Liverpool) | Remnant, James Farquharson | Whiteley, H(Ashton-und-Lyne |
| M'Killop, James (Stirlingshire | Ridley, Hn. M. W. (Stalybridge | Whitmore, Charles Algernon |
| Malcolm, Ian | Ridley, S. Forde (Bethnal Green | Wilson, A. Stanley(York, E.R.) |
| Manners, Lord Cecil | Ritchie, Rt. Hn. Chas. Thomson | Wilson, John (Glasgow) |
| Massey-Mainwaring, Hn. W. F. | Robertson, Herbert (Hackney) | Wilson-Todd, Wm. H. (Yorks.) |
| Maxwell, W.JH(Dumfriesshire | Round, Rt. Hon. James | Wodehouse, Rt. Hn. E. R. (Bath) |
| Meysey-Thompson, Sir H. M | Royds, Clement Molyneux | Worsley-Taylor, Henry Wilson |
| Milner, Rt. Hn. Sir Frederick G. | Sackville, Col. S. G. Stopford- | Wortley, Rt. Hon. C. B. Stuart- |
| Montagu, G. (Huntingdon) | Sadler, Col. Samuel Alexander | Wyndham, Rt. Hon. George |
| Moon, Edgar Robert Pacy | Samuel, Harry S. (Limehouse) | Wyndham-Quin, Major W. H. |
| More, Robt Jasper (Shropshire) | Sassoon, Sir Edward Albert | |
| Morgan, David J.(Walth'mstow | Seely, Maj. J. E. B. (IsleofWight | |
| Morrell, George Herbert | Sharpe, William Edward T. | TELLERS FOR THE AYES— |
| Morton, Arthur H. Aylmer | Sinclair, Louis (Romford) | Sir Alexander Acland- |
| Mount, William Arthur | Smith, Abel H. (Hertford, East) | Hood and Mr. Anstruther. |
| NOES. | ||
| Allan, Sir William (Gateshead) | Jacoby, James Alfred | Shipman, Dr. John G. |
| Ashton, Thomas Gair | Jones, David Brynmor(Sw'nsea | Taylor, Theodore C. (Radcliffe |
| Atherley-Jones, L. | Lewis, John Herbert | Tennant, Harold John |
| Brigg, John | Markham, Arthur Basil | Thomas, Abel (Carmarthen, E. |
| Burns, John | Morley, Charles (Breconshire) | Thomas, David Alfred (Merthyr |
| Caldwell, James | Newnes, Sir George | Thomson, F. W. York, W.R.) |
| Cameron, Robert | Norton, Capt. Cecil William | Trevelyan, Charles Philips |
| Craig, Robert Hunter | Philipps, John Wynford | Weir, James Galloway |
| Cremer, William Randal | Pickard, Benjamin | White, Luke (York, E.R.) |
| Douglas, Charles M. (Lanark) | Pirie, Duncan V. | Whitley, J. H. (Halifax) |
| Evans, Sir Francis H(Maidstone | Roberts, John Bryn (Eifion) | Whittaker, Thomas Palmer |
| Evans, Samuel T. (Glamorgan) | Robson, William Snowdon | Wilson, John (Durham, Mid.) |
| Ferguson, R. C. Munro (Leith) | Roe, Sir Thomas | |
| Furness, Sir Christopher | Runciman, Walter | |
| Harmsworth, R. Leicester | Samuel, Herbert L.(Cleveland) | TELLERS FOR THE NOES— |
| Hayne, Rt. Hon. Charles Seale- | Schwann, Charles E. | Mr. Wallace and Mr. |
| Horniman, Frederick John | Shaw, Thomas (Hawick B.) | Ellis Griffith. |
§ Resolution to be reported upon Monday next.