HC Deb 04 November 1902 vol 114 cc115-27

Considered in Committee.

(In the Committee.)

[MR. J. W. LOWTHER (Cumberland, Penrith) in the Chair.]


(11.8.) Amendment proposed— In page 4, line 20, after the word 'Act,' to insert the words 'or fail to provide such additional public school accommodation as is in the opinion of the Board of Education necessary.'"—(Sir William Anson.)

Question again proposed, "That those words be there inserted."

Question proposed, "That the Clause, as amended, stand part of the Bill."


said that before allowing the Clause to stand part of the Bill, the Committee should get an explanation as to whether the proposal to proceed by mandamus could under the circumstances prove satisfactory. He should, therefore, be glad of a statement from the Attorney General as to the power of the Court under a mandamus to compel the local authority to carry out such a general order as the provision of sufficient school accommodation.


said the case would be analogous to that of the Public Health Act, where there was a provision for compelling the public health authority to exercise the powers of the Act. The order under the Section would be in specific form, such as the Board of Education deemed necessary, and the Court would be asked to enforce the direction of the Board of Education making an order. If this should be disobeyed, the recalcitrant individuals might be proceeded against, and made liable in person or property.


asked whether under the Clause, taken with Clause 12, the mandamus would lie against the local authority or the education committee. The committee would be, in the first instance, the party who would make default, and he should like the views of the Attorney General on that point.


said if lie were to enter into details on that question, he would be anticipating the discussion upon Clause 12. The question of the right hon. Gentleman involved another question, and that was what would be the precise relations between the education committee and the local education authority. If the education committee were merely to be the creature of the local education authority, then, undoubtedly, the mandamus would be directed against the education authority; but if, on the other hand, the education Committee had come independent of the statutory power conferred on them, the answer might be different. Until the Committee had settled Clause 12 he did not think a more definite answer could be given.


said he asked the question on the basis of Clause 11 as it stood. The Attorney General was the proper exponent of the meaning of the Clause; and he was obliged to ask for an interpretation of it now, as vital Amendments to Clause 12 might be closured.


said that if the right hon. Gentleman would second the Government in their earnest desire to get on with the Bill, he need be under no misapprehension as to an opportunity being given for the discussion of important points in Clause 12.


said that if the Government proposal in Clause 12 stood and the work was deputed to be done through or by a committee, that Committee would have to have a contiuning statutory existence. What they wanted to know was how the remedy of mandamus could possibly be applicable to a continuing indisposition on the part of that Committee to carry out the Act. An Act of that complicated character could not be enforced in all its points, when the only remedy was a mandamus.


said he wished to ask if they were to regard the answer of the Attorney General as an undertaking from the Government that they had an open mind with reference to Clause 12.


A quite open mind.


said be given. that then it would be open to the Committee to discuss, without any forcible abbreviation of their time, whether the education committee should be independent of the local authority.

LORD EDMUND FITZMAURICE (Wiltshire, Cricklade)

said the statement of the Government that they had an open mind with reference to Clause 12 was a most important one; and he would ask whether, considering that statement, they should proceed with the discussion of Clause 12 at that late hour and open up a new chapter in the Bill. Would it not be wiser to come with fresh minds to its consideration tomorrow.


said there was one point about Clause 11 which he wished to put to the First Lord of the Treasury. The object of the Clause was to provide power to enforce the carrying out of the duties to be conferred under the Act, and his objection was that the Clause did not provide such power. The words of the Clause were entirely restricted to the local education authority, but there were other persons who would have new duties under the Act. Therefore, he thought that the Prime Minister or the Attorney General might consider whether power similar to the power in Clause 11 should not be provided in some other part of the Bill against the boards of management would be set up. Before the Clause passed from the ken of the Committee that aspect of it ought to be considered.

He agreed with his hon. friend that a mandamus was not a suitable way of dealing with cases where there was a neglect of duty on the part of the local authority.


said that the First Lord of the Treasury at an earlier stage had expressed his readiness to provide, in some part of the Bill, a means of enforcing a guarantee that the other persons who might undertake to provide a school should carry out their undertaking, and do so without unreasonable delay. He thought he was, therefore, entitled to ask whether the right hon. Gentleman would now give some indication of where and in what way such a proposal would be introduced into the Bill guaranteeing the community against fraudulent and unfair proposals, which might conceivably be made under the Bill as it stood, and which the right hon. Gentleman himself frankly and fairly admitted was an evil which ought to be met. He wished to know how such unfair transactions on the part of private providers of schools would be dealt with.


asked whether it would be in order to discuss on Clause 12 the power to compel the education authority to carry out its duties by a mandamus,


The reply of the Attorney General was that that depended on the relations which would be established between the local authority and the education committee.


The mandamus will lie against the responsible persons.

MR. SAMUEL EVANS (Glamorganshire, Mid)

said that the answer of the First Lord of the Treasury meant nothing at all. The right hon. Gentleman said that the mandamus would he against the persons responsible, but that begged the question as to who would be the persons responsible. [MR. A. J. BALFOUR: Quite so.] As he understood it, the intention of the Clause was to provide certain powers for enforcing duties to be given to certain persons or bodies under the Act, but such powers should be given with reference to every person who would have duties under the Act. He was not sure whether the managers of denominational schools would have duties under the Act. Probably their position would be that they had privileges without any particular duties; but if any duties were to be imposed on them, they too ought to be dealt with in the Clause before the Committee. It was proposed under Clause 12 that the education authority was to act through an education committee, but it was essential, before they provided for compulsion, that they should know what were to be the relations between the local authority and the education committee. Otherwise they would be entirely at sea. He thought the Committee did not quite appreciate what a mandamus meant. The Education Department could not issue a mandamus. Someone would have to commence an action in the High Court for a mandamus to compel the persons who had duties to perform to exercise them. He appreciated the vagueness of the Clause quite as much as the Prime Minister, and he was not at all sure that vagueness was not the object of the Government; but he felt quite certain that they ought not to insert a provision compelling the performance of duties until they had fully defined what the duties were, and by whom they were to be carried out. Further, the Clause was too limited, as it only directed that the mandamus should issue against the local education authority, leaving everyone else who had duties to perform outside. He could not understand why they were asked to pass the Clause at all, until they knew what the relations between the local education authority and the education committee were to be. After the local education authority had appointed the education committee, so far as he could see they would have no other duty to perform.

[An HON. MEMBER: Agreed, agreed.] What was the hon. Member agreed about? He was trying to understand the Bill, and if the hon. Gentleman was able to throw any light upon it, he would be very willing to resume his seat. He maintained, however, that the Committee should not pass Clause 11 until they had discussed Clause 12.

(11.32.) MR. A. J. BALFOUR

rose in his place and claimed to move, "That the Question be now put."

Question put, "That the Question be put."

The Committee divided: Ayes, 200; Noes, 87. (division List No. 475.)

Agg-Gardner, James Tynte Chapman, Edward Fitzroy, Hon. Edward Algernon
Allhusen, Augustus H'nry Eden Charrington, Spencer Flower, Ernest
Anson, Sir William Reynell Clive, Captain Perey A. Forster, Henry William
Archdale, Edward Mervyn Cochrane. Hon Thos. H. A. E. Foster, Philip S (Warwick, S. W.
Arkwright, John Stanhope Coghill, Douglas Harry Galloway, William Johnson
Arnold-Forster, Hugh O. Collings, Rt. Hon. Jesse Garfit, William
Arrol, Sir William Colomb, Sir John Charles Ready Gibbs, Hon. Vicary (St. Albans
Atkinson, Rt. Hon. John Colston, Chas. Edw. H. Athole Godson, Sir Angnstus Fredk.
Bailey, James (Walworth) Compton, Lord Alwyne Gore, Hn G. R.C. Ormsby-(Salop
Bain, Colonel James Robert Cox, Irwin Edward Bainbridge Gorst, Rt. Hon. Sir. John Eldon
Baird, John George Alexander Cranborne, Viscount Goschen, Hon. George Joachim
Balcarres, Lord Cross, Alexander (Glasgow) Cray, Ernest (West Ham)
Balfour, Rt. Hon. A J.(Manch'r Cross, Herb. Shepherd (Bolton Greene, Sir E W (B'rySEdm'nds
Balfour, Capt. C. B. (Hornsey) Crossley, Sir Savile Greene, Henry D (Shrewsbury)
Balfour, Rt Hn Gerald W (Leeds Cubitt, Hon. Henry Grenfell, William Henry
Balfour, Kenneth R. (Christch. Cost, Henry John C. Greville, Hon. Ronald
Banbury, Frederick George Dalrymple, Sir Charles Groves, James Grimble
Bignold, Arthur Davies, Sir Horatio D (Chatham Guest, Hon. Ivor Churchill
Bigwood, James Denny, Colonel Halsey, Rt. Hon. Thomas F.
Bill, Charles Dickson-Poynder, Sir John P. Hambro, Charles Eric
Blundell, Colonel Henry Digby, John K. D. Wingfield- Hanbury, Rt. Hon. Robert Wm.
Bond, Edward Disraeli, Coningsby Ralph Hardy, Laurence (Kent, Ashford
Boscawen, Arthur Griffith- Dorington, Rt. Hn. Sir John E. Hare, Thomas Leigh
Bowles, Capt. H.F. (Middlesex Douglas, Rt. Hon. A. Akers- Harris, Frederick Leverton
Brassey, Albert Durning-Lawrence, Sir Edwin Haslam, Sir Alfred S.
Brodrick, Rt. Hon. St. John Faber, George Denison (York Hatch, Ernest Frederick Geo.
Bullard, Sir Harry Fellowes, Hon. Ailwyn Edward Hay, Hon. Claude George
Batcher, John George Fergusson, Rt Hn Sir J.(Mane'r. Henderson, Sir Alexander
Carson, Rt. Hon. Sir Edw. H. Fielden, Edward Brocklehurst Hermon-Hodge, Sir Robert T.
Carvill, Patrick Geo-Hamilton Finch, George H. Hobhouse, Henry (Somerset, E.
Cantley, Henry Strother Finlay, Sir Robert Bannatyne Hogg, Lindsay
Cavendish, V.C.W.(Derbyshire Fisher, William Hayes Hope, J.F.(Sheffield, Brightside
Cecil, Evelyn (Aston Manor) Fison, Frederick William Hoult, Joseph
Chamberlain, Rt Hon. J.(Birm. FitztGerald, Sir Robert Penrose- Howard, John (Kent, Fav'sham
Hudson, George Bickersteth Morgan, David J(Walth'mstow Sackville, Col. S. G. Stopford-
Jebb, Sir Richard Claverhouse Morrell, George Herbert Sadler, Col. Samuel Alexander
Johnstone, Heywood Morrison, James Archibald Samuel, Harry S. (Limehouse
Kenyon, Hon. Geo.T.(Denbigh) Morton, Arthur H. Aylmer Scott, Sir S. (Marylebone, W.)
Kenyon-Slaney, Col. W.(Salop. Mount, William Arthur Sinclair, Louis (Romford)
Keswick, William Murray, Rt Hn A. Graham(Bute Smith, James Parker (Lanarks,
King, Sir Henry Seymour Murray, Charles J. (Coventry) Smith, Hon. W. F. D. (Strand)
Knowles, Lees Myers, William Henry Stanley, Edward Jas.(Somerset
Law, Andrew Bonar (Glasgow) Newdegate, Francis A. N. Stewart, Sir Mark J.M'Taggart
Lawrence, Sir Joseph (Monm'th Nicholson, William Graham Sturt, Hon. Humphry Napier
Lee, Arthur H.(Hants, Fareham Nicol, Donald Ninian Talbot, Lord E. (Chichester)
Legge, Col. Hon. Heneage Nolan, Col. John P.(Galway,N. Talbot ,Rt Hn. J.G.(Oxf'dUniv,
Leigh-Bennett, Henry Currie Orr-Ewing, Charles Lindsay Thornton, Percy M.
Loder, Gerald Walter Erskine Parker, Sir Gilbert Tomlinson, Sir Wm. Edw. M.
Long, Col. Charles W. (Evesham Peel, Hn Wm. Robert Wellesley Tufnell, Lieut.-Col. Edward
Long, Rt. Hon Walter (Bristol,S Pemberton, John S. G. Valentia, Viscount
Lowe, Francis William Percy, Earl Walker, Col. William Hall
Loyd, Archie Kirkman Platt-Higgins, Frederick Walrond, Rt. Hon. Sir Wm. H.
Lucas, Col. Francis (Lowestoft Plummer, Walter R. Welby, Lt-Col A.C.E.(Taunton
Lucas, Reginald J.(Portsmouth Powell, Sir Francis Sharp Welby, Sir Charles G. E. (Notts.
Lvttelton, Hon. Alfred Pretyman, Ernest George Wharton, Rt. Hon. John Lloyd
Macdona, John Cumming Pryce-Jones, Lt.-Col. Edward Whiteley,H(Asliton-und-Lyne
Maconochie, A. W. Purvis, Robert Williams, Colonel R. (Dorset)
M'Arthur, Charles (Liverpool) Pym, C. Guy Willox, Sir John Archibald
M'Iver, Sir Lewis (Edinburgh W Rankin, Sir James Wilson, A. Stanley (York, E.R.)
M'Killop, James (Stirlingshire Rasch, Major Frederic Carne Wilson-Todd, Wm. H. (Yorks.
Majendie, James A. H. Remnant, James Farquharson Wortley, Rt. Hon. C. B. Stuart-
Malcolm, Ian Ritchie, Rt. Hn. Chas. Thomson Wrightson, Sir Thomas
Manners, Lord Cecil Roberts, Samuel (Sheffield) Wyndham, Rt. Hon. George
Maxwell ,W J H (Dumfriesshire Robertson, Herbert (Hackney) Wyndham-Quin, Major W. H.
Meysey-Thompson, Sir H. M. Rothschild, Hon. Lionel Walter
Mildmay, Francis Bingham Round, Rt. Hon James TELLERS FOR THE AYES.—
Milner, Rt. Hon Sir Frederick G. Royds, Clement Molynenx Sir Alexander Acland-
More, Robt. Jasper (Shropshire Rutherford, John Hood and Mr. Anstruther.
Abraham, William (Rhondda) Grant, Corrie Roberts, John Bryn (Eifion)
Allan, Sir William (Gateshead) Gurdon, Sir W. Brampton Roberts, John H. (Denbighs.)
Allen, Charles P.(Gloue., Stroud Harmsworth, R. Leicester Runciman, Walter
Bayley, Thomas (Derbyshire) Hayne, Rt. Hon. Charles Seale- Shackleton, David James
Brigg, John Holland, Sir William Henry Shaw, Charles Edw. (Stafford
Broadhurst, Henry Hope, John Deans (Fife, West) Shipman, Dr. John G.
Brown, George M. (Edinburgh) Humphreys-Owen, Arthur C. Sinclair, John (Forfarshire)
Brunner, Sir John Tomlinson Jacoby, James Alfred Soares, Ernest J.
Bryce, Rt. Hon. James Jones,David Brynmor (Sw'nsea Spencer, Rt Hn. C. R. (Northants
Buxton, Sydney Charles Kearley, Hudson E. Stevenson, Francis S.
Caldwell, James Kitson, Sir James Strachey, Sir Edward
Campbell-Bannerman, Sir H. Lambert, George Thomas, Abel (Carmarthen, E.)
Causton, Richard Knight Langley, Batty Thomas, Sir A. (Glamorgan, E.)
Cawley, Frederick Leese, Sir Joseph F. (Accrington Thomas, David Alfred (Merthyr
Channing, Francis Allston Leigh, Sir Joseph Thomas, F. Freeman-(Hastings
Cremer, William Randal Leng, Sir John Thomas, J A (Glamorgan, Gower
Dalziel, James Henry Levy, Maurice Toulmin, George
Davies, Alfred (Carmarthen) Lough, Thomas Warner, Thomas Courtenay T.
Davies, M. Vaughan-(Cardigan M'Kenna, Reginald Wason, Eugene
Dilke, Rt. Hon. Sir Charles Mansfield, Horace Rendall White, George (Norfolk)
Douglas, Charles M. (Lanark) Morgan, J. Lloyd (Carmarthen) White, Luke (York, E. R.)
Edwards, Frank Morley, Charles (Breconshire) Whitley, J. H. (Halifax)
Ellis, John Edward Norman, Henry Wilson, Henry J. (York, W.R.)
Evans, Sir Francis H (Maidstone Pearson, Sir Weetman D. Woodhouse, Sir J T (Huddersf'd
Evans, Samuel T. (Glamorgan) Pease, J. A. (Saffron Walden) Yoxall, James Henry
Ferguson, R. C. Munro (Leith) Perks, Robert William
Fitzmaurice, Lord Edmund Philipps, John Wynford
Foster, Sir Walter (Derby Co.) Priestley, Arthur TELLERS FOR THE NOES.—
Fuller, J. M. F. Rea, Russell Mr. Herbert Gladstone and
Furness, Sir Christopher Reckitt, Harold James Mr. William M'Arthur
Goddard, Daniel Ford Rickett, J. Compton

(11.43) Question put accordingly, "That the Clause, as amended, stand part of the Bill."

The Committee divided:—Ayes, 203; Noes, 87. (Division List No. 476.)

Walrond, Rt, Hn. Sir William H Williams, Colonel R. (Dorset) Wyndham, Rt. Hon. George
Warde, Colonel C. E. Willox, Sir John Archibald Wyndham-Quin, Major W. H.
Welby, Lt.-Col. A.C.E.(Taunt'n Wilson, A. Stanley (York, E. R.
Welby, Sir Charles G. E. (Notts. Wilson-Todd, Wm. H. (Yorks TELLERS FOR THE AYES—
Wharton, Rt. Hon. John Lloyd Wortley, Rt. Hon. C. B. Stuart- Sir Alexander Acland-
Whiteley, H (Ashton-und. Lyne Wrightson, Sir Thomas Hood and Mr. Anstruther.
Agg-Gardner, John Tynte Finch, George H. Maconochie, A. W.
Allhusen, Augustus H'nry Eden Finlay, Sir Robert Bannatyne M'Arthur, Charles (Liverpool)
Anson, Sir William Reynell Fisher, William Hayes M'Iver, Sir Lewis (EdinburghW
Archdale, Edward Mervyn Fison, Frederick William M'Killop, James (Stirlingshire)
Arkwright, John Stanhope FitzGerald, Sir Robert Penrose- Majendie, James A. H.
Arnold-Forster, Hugh O. Fitzroy, Hon. Edward Algernon Malcolm, Ian
Arrol, Sir William Flower, Ernest Manners, Lord Cecil
Atkinson, Rt. Hon. John Forster, Henry William Maxwell, W. J . H. Dumfriessh.
Bailey, James (Walworth) Foster, Philip S.(Warwick, S.W Meysey-Thompson, Sir H. M.
Bain, Colonel James Robert Galloway, William Johnson Mildmay, Francis Bingham
Baird John George Alexander Garfit, William Milner, Rt. Hon. Sir Frederick G.
Balcarres, Lord Gibbs, Hon. Vicary (St. Albans) More, Robt, Jasper (Shropshire)
Balfour, Rt. Hon. A. J. (Manch'r Godson, Sir Augustus Frederick Morgan, David, J (Walthamstow
Balfour, Capt. C. B. (Hornsey) Gore, Hn G. R. C Ormsby-(Salop Morrell, George Herbert
Balfour, Rt Hn. Gerald. W. (Leeds Gorst, Rt. Hon. Sir John Eldon Morrison, James Archibald
Balfour, Kenneth R. (Christch). Goschen, Hon. George Joachin Morton, Arthur H. Aylmer
Banbury, Frederick George Gray, Ernest (West Ham) Mount, William Arthur
Bignold, Arthur Greene, Sir E. W. (B'ry SEdm'ds Murray, Rt Hn A. Graham (Bute
Bigwood, James Greene, Henry D. (Shrewsbury) Murray, Charles J. (Coventry)
Bill, Charles Grenfell, William Henry Myers, William Henry
Blundell Colonel Henry Greville, Hon. Ronald Newdegate, Francis A. N.
Bond, Edward Groves, James Grimble Nicholson, William Graham
Boscawen, Arthur Griffith- Guest, Hon. Ivor Churchill Nicol, Donald Ninian
Bowles, Capt. H. F. (Middlesex) Halsey, Rt. Hon. Thomas F. Nolan, Col. John P. (Galway, N.
Brassey, Albert Hambro, Charles Eric Orr-Ewing, Charles Lindsay
Brodrick, Rt. Hon. St. John Hanbury, Rt. Hn. Robert Wm. Parker, Sir Gilbert
Bollard, Sir Harry Hardy, Laurence (Kent, Ashf'rd Peel, Hn. Wm. Robt. Wellesley
Butcher, John George Hare, Thomas Leigh Pemberton, John S. G.
Carson, Rt. Hon. Sir Edw. H. Harris, Frederick Leverton Percy, Earl
Carvill, Patrick Geo. Hamilton Haslam, Sir Alfred S. Platt-Higgins, Frederick
Cautley, Henry Strother Hatch, Ernest Frederick Geo. Plummer, Walter R.
Cavendish, V.C.W.(Derbyshire Hay, Hon. Claude George Powell, Sir Francis Sharp
Cecil, Evelyn (Aston Manor) Henderson, Sir Alexander Pretyman, Ernest George
Chamberlain, Rt. Hon. J.(Birm. Hermon-Hodge, Sir Robert T. Pryce-Jones, L.-Col. Edward
Chapman, Edward Hobhouse, Henry (Somerset, E.) Purvis, Robert
Charrington, Spencer Hogg, Lindsay Pym, C. Guy
Clive, Captain Percy A. Hope, J.F. (Sh'ffield, Brightside Rankin, Sir James
Cochrane, Hon. Thos. H. A. E. Hoult, Joseph Rasch, Major Frederic Carne
Coghill, Douglas Harry Howard, John (Kent, Faversh'm Remnant, James Farquharson
Collings, Rt. Hon. Jesse Hudson, George Bickersteth Ritchie, Rt. Hn Chas. Thomson
Colomb, Sir John Charles Ready Jebb, Sir Richard Claverhouse Roberts, Samuel (Sheffield)
Colston, Chas. Edw. H. Athole Jeffreys, Rt. Hon. Arthur Fred. Robertson, Herbert (Hackney)
Compton, Lord Alwyne Johnstone, Heywood Rothschild, Hon. Lionel Walter
Cox, Irwin Edward Bainbridge Kenyon, Hon. Geo. T. (Denbigh) Round, Rt. Hon. James
Cranborne, Viscount Kenyon-Slaney, Col. (Salop) Royds, Clement Molyneux
Cross, Alexander (Glasgow) Keswick, William Rutherford, John
Cross, Herb. Shepherd (Bolton) King, Sir Henry Seymour Sackville, Col. S. G. Stopford-
Crossley, Sir Savile Knowles, Lees Sadler, Col. Samuel Alexander
Cubitt, Hon. Henry Law, Andrew Bonar (Glasgow Samuel, Harry S. (Limehouse)
Cust, Henry John C. Lawrence, Sir. Joseph (Monm'th Scott, Sir S. (Marylebone, W.)
Dalrymple, Sir Charles Lee, Arthur H (Hants., Fareham Sinclair, Louis (Romford)
Davies, Sir HoratioD(Chatham Legge, Col. Hon. Heneage Smith, Jas. Parker (Lanarks)
Denny, Colonel Leigh-Bennett, Henry Currie Smith, Hon. W. F. D. (Strand)
Dickson-Poynder, Sir John P. Loder, Gerald Walter Erskine Stanley, Edward Jas. (Somerset
Digby, John K. D. Wingfield- Long, Col. Chas. W. (Evesham) Stewart, Sir Mark J. M'Taggart
Disraeli, Coningsby Ralph Long, Rt. Hn. Walter (Bristol, S Sturt, Hon. Humphry Napier
Dorington, Rt. Hon. Sir John E. Lowe, Francis William Talbot, Lord E. (Chichester)
Douglas, Rt. Hon. A. Akers- Lowther, C. (Cumb. Eskdale) Talbot, Rt Hn. J.G.(Oxf'dUniv.
Durning-Lawrence, Sir Edwin Lloyd, Archie Kirkman Thornton, Percy M.
Faber, George Denison (York) Lucas, Col. Francis (Lowestoft) Tomlinson, Sir Wm. Edward M.
Fellowes, Hon. Ailwyn Edward Lucas, Reginald, J (Portsmouth Tufnell, Lieut.-Col, Edward
Fergusson, Rt. Hn. Sir J.(Manc'r Lyttelton, Hon. Alfred Valentia, Viscount
Fielden, Edward Brocklehurst Macdona, John Cumming Walker, Col. William Hall
Abraham, William (Rhondda) Gurdon, Sir W. Brampton Roberts, John Bryn (Eition)
Allan, Sir William (Gateshead) Harmsworth, R. Leicester Roberts, John H. (Denbighs.)
Allen, Charles P (Glone., Strond Hayne, Rt. Hon. Charles Seale- Runciman, Walter
Bayley, Thomas (Derbyshire) Holland, Sir William Henry Shackleton, David James
Brigg, John Hope, John Deans (Fife, West) Shaw, Charles Edw. (Stafford)
Brown, George M. (Edinburgh) Humphreys-Owen, Arthur C. Shipman, Dr. John G.
Brunner, Sir John Tomlinson Jacoby, James, Alfred Sinclair, John (Forfarshire)
Bryce, Rt. Hon. James Jones, David Brynmor (Sw'nsea Soares, Ernest J.
Buxton, Sydney Charles Kearley, Hudson, E. Spencer, Rt Hn C. R (Northants
Caldwell, James Kitson, Sir James Stevenson, Francis S.
Campbell-Bannerman, Sir H. Lambert, George Strachey, Sir Edward
Causton, Richard knight Langley, Batty Thomas, Abel (Carmarthen, E.
Cawley, Frederick Leese, Sir Joseph F.(Accrington Thomas, Sir A. (Glamorgan, E.
Channing, Francis Allston Leigh, Sir Joseph Thomas, David Alfred (Merthyr
Cremer, William Randal Leng, Sir John Thomas, F. Freeman-(Hastings
Dalziel, James Henry Levy, Maurice Thomas, J A (Glamorgan Gower
Davies, Alfred (Carmarthen) Lough, Thomas Toulmin, George
Davies, M. Vaughan-(Cardigan M'Arthur, William (Cornwall) Warner, Thomas Courtenay T.
Dilke, Rt. Hon. Sir Charles M'Kenna, Reginald Wason, Eugene
Douglas, Charles M. (Lanark) Mansfield, Horace Rendall White, George (Norfolk)
Edwards, Frank Morgan, J. Lloyd (Carmarthen) White, Luke (York, E. R.)
Ellis, John Edward Morley, Charles (Breconshire) Whitley, J. H. (Halifax)
Evans, Sir Francis H (Maidstone Norman, Henry Wilson, Henry J. (York, E. R.
Ferguson, R. C. Munro (Leith) Pearson, Sir Weetman D. Woodhouse, Sir J T(Hudd'rsfi'd
Fitzmaurice, Lord Edmond Pease, J. A. (Saffron Walden) Yoxall, James Henry
Foster, Sir Walter (Derby Co.) Perks, Robert William
Fuller, J. M. F. Philipps, John Wynford
Furness, Sir Christopher Priestley, Arthur TELLERS FOR THE NOES—
Gladstone, Rt. Hn. Herbert John Rea, Russell Mr. Broadhurst and Mr.
Goddard, Daniel Ford Reckitt, Harold James Samuel Evans.
Grant, Corrie Rickett, J. Compton

Committee report Progress; to sit again tomorrow.