HC Deb 14 December 1983 vol 50 cc1132-4

Motion made, and Question proposed. That Sir Humphrey Atkins, Mr. John Cartwright, Mr. Churchill, Mr. Dick Douglas, Mr. Bruce George, Dr. John Gilbert, Mr. Edward Leigh, Mr. Michael Marshall, Mr. Michael Mates, Mr. Keith Speed and Mr. Neil Thorne be members of the Defence Committee.—[Sir Philip Holland, on behalf of the Committee of Selection.]

Amendment proposed to the Question, pursuant to the Order [12 December] leave out `Mr. John Cartwright'. —[Mr. Molyneaux.]

Question put, That the amendment be made:—

The House divided: Ayes 106, Noes 23.

Division No. 104] [1.30 am
Ashby, David Hayward, Robert
Atkins, Rt Hon Sir H. Hickmet, Richard
Baldry, Anthony Hind, Kenneth
Batiste, Spencer Hirst, Michael
Beggs, Roy Hogg, Hon Douglas (Gr'th'm)
Best, Keith Hogg, N. (C'nauld & Kilsyth)
Biggs-Davison, Sir John Home Robertson, John
Boscawen, Hon Robert Howarth, Gerald (Cannock)
Bottomley, Peter Hubbard-Miles, Peter
Bright, Graham Hunt, David (Wirral)
Burt, Alistair Jones, Gwilym (Cardiff N)
Campbell-Savours, Dale Knight, Gregory (Derby N)
Carttiss, Michael Knowles, Michael
Cocks, Rt Hon M. (Bristol S.) Lang, Ian
Conway, Derek Lawrence, Ivan
Cope, John Leigh, Edward (Gainsbor'gh)
Couchman, James Lewis, Ron (Carlisle)
Cowans, Harry Lilley, Peter
Currie, Mrs Edwina Lord, Michael
Dixon, Donald Loyden, Edward
Durant, Tony Lyell, Nicholas
Dykes, Hugh McCusker, Harold
Emery, Sir Peter Macfarlane, Neil
Forsythe, Clifford (S Antrim) McKay, Allen (Penistone)
Foulkes, George MacKay, Andrew (Berkshire)
Fox, Marcus Maginnis, Ken
Garel-Jones, Tristan Major, John
Goodlad, Alastair Malone, Gerald
Gorst, John Marek, Dr John
Greenway, Harry Mather, Carol
Hamilton, Hon A. (Epsom) Maxton, John
Hanley, Jeremy Maxwell-Hyslop, Robin
Harrison, Rt Hon Walter Meyer, Sir Anthony
Harvey, Robert Miller, Hal (B'grove)
Haselhurst, Alan Molyneaux, Rt Hon James
Haynes, Frank Neubert, Michael
Newton, Tony Soames, Hon Nicholas
Nicholls, Patrick Spence, John
Nicholson, J. Spencer, D.
Osborn, Sir John Stern, Michael
Page, Richard (Herts SW) Stevens, Lewis (Nuneaton)
Paisley, Rev Ian Stewart, Andrew (Sherwood)
Parris, Matthew Stradling Thomas, J.
Parry, Robert Terlezki, Stefan
Pawsey, James Thompson, Patrick (N'ich N)
Peacock, Mrs Elizabeth Thorne, Neil (Ilford S)
Powell, Rt Hon J. E. (S Down) Wakeham, Rt Hon John
Powell, Raymond (Ogmore) Wardle, C. (Bexhill)
Powley, John Warren, Kenneth
Proctor, K. Harvey Watts, John
Rathbone, Tim Wood, Timothy
Rowe, Andrew
Sainsbury, Hon Timothy Tellers for the Ayes:
Sayeed, Jonathan Mr. William Ross and Rev. Martin Smyth.
Skinner, Dennis
Beith, A. J. Penhaligon, David
Bruce, Malcolm Ross, Stephen (Isle of Wight)
Carlile, Alexander (Montg'y) Sims, Roger
Clark, Dr Michael (Rochford) Smith, Rt Hon J. (M'kl'ds E)
Davis, Terry (B'ham, H'ge H'l) Steel, Rt Hon David
Freud, Clement van Straubenzee, Sir W.
George, Bruce Wallace, James
Gilbert, Rt Hon Dr John Wheeler, John
Howells, Geraint Wigley, Dafydd
Hughes, Simon (Southwark)
Johnston, Russell Tellers for the Noes:
Kirkwood, Archibald Mr. Michael Meadowcraft and Mr. Charles Kennedy.
Maclennan, Robert
Owen, Rt Hon Dr David

Question accordingly agreed to.

Dr. Owen

On a point of order, Mr. Speaker. Can you help the House? I have no complaints about the conduct of the Division or the vote. However, are you aware of the fact that the Patronage Secretary and the hon. Member for Watford (Mr. Garel-Jones), who is also a Whip, who were in the No Lobby extracting Members of the Conservative party on instructions from the Whip, were heard to say, "No, you are not meant to be in this Lobby"? We have been assured—[Interruption.]

Mr. Speaker

Order. I shall put the right hon. Member out of his misery. What goes on in either of the Division Lobbies is not a matter for me

Mr. Beith

On a further point of order, Mr. Speaker. It is matter of order that the Leader of the House may have given the impression by what he said in his speech that not only he but the Government were taking a neutral view on the matter. He said that he did not intend to vote on the issue and did not believe that it would be right for him to do so—a view, incidentally, which the Chairman of the Committee of Selection also took. I understood that the Leader of the House had said that he would abstain. I assumed from that statement that the Government Whips would not be in the Lobby seeking to deter hon. Members from voting for the motion. The right hon. Gentleman may have mislead the House in what he said, and I therefore ask you, Mr. Speaker, to give him the opportunity to say whether that was so

Mr. Skinner

Further to that point of order, Mr. Speaker. I do not wish to call upon you to intervene, like ACAS, in this matter between the Liberal party and the SDP. We heard from the Leader of the House earlier that in the allocation of seats the Liberals had managed to get six and the SDP only one I believe that a great row between the two parties is at the bottom of this matter.

Further amendment made: after 'Mr. Edward Leigh`, insert 'Mr. Ken Maginnis'. —[Mr. Molyneaux.]

Main Question, as amended, agreed to.

Ordered, That Sir Humphrey Atkins, Mr. Churchill, Mr. Dick Douglas, Mr. Bruce George, Dr. John Gilbert, Mr. Edward Leigh, Mr. Ken Maginnis, Mr. Michael Marshall, Mr. Michael Mates, Mr. Keith Speed and Mr. Neil Thome be members of the Defence Committee.