HC Deb 04 December 1968 vol 774 cc1510-1
13. Mr. Galbraith

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland, in view of the recently published figures of crime in Scotland, what steps he proposes taking to try to halt the increase which has taken place over recent years.

71. Mr. Dempsey

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what action he proposes to take to reverse the increasing crime wave; and if he will make a statement.

Mr. Buchan

With permission, I shall answer Questions 13 and 71 together.

Mr. Speaker

Order. The Chair must be told of groupings.

Mr. Buchan

I would refer the hon. Members to the reply my right hon. Friend gave to the hon. Member for Dumfries (Mr. Monro) on Wednesday, 27th November.—[Vol. 774, c. 121.]

Mr. Galbraith

Is not this merely tinkering with the problem? How long will it take the hon. Gentleman to face the fact that the first duty of the Government is to provide law and order and that, when murder and crimes of violence have doubled over the last five years, ordinary citizens no longer feel that this is what is being done by the Government?

Mr. Buchan

The hon. Gentleman should know better than to ask me to face this problem. It would have been more helpful to his own community if statements he has made—some of them outrageous—had slackened rather than increased the tension. Such statements do not help me in trying to get to grips with the problem in a positive way.

Mr. Dempsey

Does not my hon. Friend agree that, if the courts got rid of inconsistency in sentencing, we might make better progress? For example, we have had an instance of a man being sent to prison for a driving offence while another received probation for murder. Ending that sort of situation would help to curb crime in Scotland.

Mr. Buchan

If my hon. Friend will write to me about the instances he has in mind, I will look into them but he will not expect me to comment on the courts. They hear the full evidence.