HC Deb 14 July 1966 vol 731 cc1718-20
Q10. Mr. Kenneth Lewis

asked the Prime Minister whether, on his visit to Washington he will reaffirm to President Johnson his support for United States action in South Vietnam.

The Prime Minister

President Johnson is already fully aware of the British Government's position and this was made clear in my statement on 29th June and again during the debate on Vietnam on 7th July.

Mr. Lewis

Is it not time that the Prime Minister gave support to a very valuable ally before placating his Left wing in the Labour Party?

The Prime Minister

I have nothing to add to the statement I made on that occasion, which the hon. Gentleman is capable of reading. I wish, however, that he and some other hon. Gentlemen opposite would realise the gravity and seriousness of the war in Vietnam, instead of adorning these debates and Questions with remarks of that kind.

Mr. Winnick

Would it be possible for the Prime Minister to tell President Johnson that the greatest enthusiasm for continuing the bloodshed in Vietnam comes from the Tory Party in this country?

The Prime Minister

I would not propose to say that to him, because I do not believe it to be true. I think that hon. Members in all parts are anxious to see this fighting come to an end. My only complaint about hon. Gentlemen opposite is not about their aims, or even the methods they suggest, but about their eternal frivolity when we deal with this subject.

Sir T. Beamish

Is the Prime Minister aware that those who have seen most of war best understand its gravity and seriousness?

The Prime Minister

Yes, Sir. I would feel that that question is incontestable. What, however, I also feel is that sometimes it would be better if we could discuss these Vietnam questions with the real gravity and seriousness that the horrible fighting in that country demands.

Mr. Whitaker

Does my right hon. Friend recollect the very salutary corrective which the American Government gave to the British Conservative escapade at the time of Suez.

The Prime Minister

Yes, Sir. That is going back a little in time, but no doubt one day we shall learn the truth of what happened in those times.

Q11. Mr. Frank Mann

asked the Prime Minister if he will discuss with President Johnson the matter of Great Britain's selling rockets, bombs, and other weapons to the United States of America, and also the reconsideration of the purchase of F111 bombers from the United States of America.

The Prime Minister

I have nothing to add to the Answer I gave on the 23rd of June to a similar Question by the hon. Member for Bournemouth, West (Sir J. Eden).

Mr. Allaun

But since our arms sales to America are proving small and since they appear to exclude sales of arms for use in Vietnam, and since our deficit last month was so big, how can we possibly afford to continue with purchases of £1,080 million of arms from America? Is it not crazy?

The Prime Minister

So far as the F111 bomber purchase is concerned, this has been fully debated in the House. It is essential to defence policy and essential if we are to get defence costs down to the figure we have set as our target.

Mr. Marten

In view of the problem raised by the hon. Member, would the Prime Minister consider perhaps selling some more Buccaneer fighters to South Africa?

The Prime Minister

No, Sir.

Mr. Paget

Is not the fact that we are wholly dependent on the Americans for nearly all our vital weapons a reason for making the suggestion that we should impose limits as to the use to which those weapons are put rather an unfortunate precedent from our point of view?

The Prime Minister

When we undertook the Defence Review it was necessary, because of the very high cost of some of the aircraft projects we had inherited, to replace them by cheaper and earlier weapons that could be bought from the United States. This was approved by the House. I do not think that in any way it calls in question what I said earlier about the matter of arms supply in Vietnam.