HC Deb 04 July 1951 vol 489 cc2306-8
32. Mr. John Grimston

asked the Parliamentary Secretary to the Ministry of Civil Aviation on what date an application was made by a subsidiary company of the Railway Executive to operate a service from Shoreham to Deauville as an associate of British European Airways Corporation; on what date the associate-ship was granted; and on what date the company informed his Department of its decision not to operate the service.

Mr. Beswick

An application was made to the Air Transport Advisory Council by 011ey Air Services, Limited, on 30th October, 1950. After clearance with the French Government, the company were informed on 24th February, 1951, that my noble Friend had granted provisional approval, but on 18th May the company informed the Council that they had decided not to operate the service.

Mr. George Ward

Can the hon. Gentleman say what Section of the Transport Act it is which empowers the Railway Executive to operate an air service at all?

Mr. Beswick

I am not answering a Question about that. I am answering a Question about Olley Air Services.

33. Mr. J. Grimston

asked the Parliamentary Secretary to the Ministry of Civil Aviation on what date an application was made by Island Air Services (London), Limited, to operate a service from Shoreham to Deauville as an associate of British European Airways Corporation; on what date and on what grounds permission was refused; what the circumstances were which led to a reversal of this decision and an invitation to the company to operate the service; and when this invitation was made.

Mr. Beswick

The application was made to the Air Transport Advisory Council on 8th October, 1950. It was rejected on 8th December by my noble Friend on the recommendation of the Council. Subsequently Olley Air Services, whose application had been approved, withdrew, and Island Air Services were informed on 29th May, 1951, that the Minister was prepared to accept their application.

Mr. Grimston

Is it not sensible and fair, where a company has successfully operated a 100 per cent. service without subsidies, from the Government, to allow the agreement to be extended?

Mr. Beswick

If there are two applications the Council takes everything into consideration, which it did, and on this occasion it recommended that the application of the second company should be accepted.

Mr. G. Ward

Should there not be some appeal tribunal to which people can go if applications are turned down without any reason being given?

Mr. Beswick

The original idea was that this Advisory Council should be independent, and, in a sense, an appeal tribunal. It would, of course, have been possible to have had the initial applications made to the Minister.

Mr. Grimston

Surely if an associate agreement arrangement is made and a company has made a success of the service it should be allowed to carry on?

Mr. Beswick

Other things being equal, I agree; but there was a good deal of evidence before the Air Transport Advisory Council, and it came to the conclusion that a more successful service to the public was more likely to be offered by the company whose application it recommended.

Mr. Grimston

Will the hon. Gentleman say what successful service is better than 100 per cent.?

Mr. Beswick

A 100 per cent. service that is not improperly marred by other things. [Laughter.]

Mr. Lennox-Boyd

Will the evidence to which the hon. Gentleman has referred before the Air Transport Advisory Council be published?

Mr. Beswick

No, Sir, it is not the usual practice to publish the detailed evidence. I think it would be unfair. Since the hon. Member for Worcester (Mr. G. Ward) seems to think my previous reply so funny—

Hon. Members

We all do.

Mr. Kirkwood

Give the children a chance.

Mr. Manuel

Let them put up their hands.

Mr. Beswick

—I will explain to him that there are, of course, factors on the ground which affect the operation of the company, as well as the services which the company may operate 100 per cent. efficiently in the air.