HC Deb 14 December 1950 vol 482 cc1334-7
27. Mr. Dodds

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if he will give details of work done by prisoners in His Majesty's Prisons since 1st January, 1950.

Mr. Ede

I regret that the information asked for is not available. Certain information relating to work done by prisoners is, however, included in the Prison Commissioners' annual report for 1949 which was published yesterday; and I am also circulating in the OFFICIAL REPORT a table showing the various occupations on which prisoners were engaged during the 12 months ended 31st March, 1950.

Mr. Wilkes

Will my right hon. Friend draw the attention of his colleagues to the fact that the Prison Commissioners' report shows that a very serious falling off from Government Departments has resulted in constriction of prison industries, which were being developed? The report goes on to say that there is a serious prospect of further decline in prison industries in 1951. Will he act with the Departments to see that that is reversed?

Mr. Ede

I have been in touch with my right hon. Friends who are in charge of the appropriate Departments and I am very glad to say that I have their full sympathy and help, as far as they can give it.

Mr. Heathcoat Amory

Can the Home Secretary assure us that the useless and purposeless nature of the work, which, in the old days, used to be part of the curriculum, has now been eliminated? Will he also say whether the practice of outdoor work under supervision is being developed?

Mr. Ede

Yes, Sir. I am anxious to do all I can to ensure that that kind of work shall become increasingly available, because I am certain that it enables these men to get some sense of achievement from the effort they put forward, which is sometimes very difficult to get from ordinary routine prison labour.

Following is the table:

*EMPLOYMENT OF PRISONERS FOR THE 12

MONTHS ENDED 31ST MARCH, 1950

Employment Average number of

prisoners employed

MANUFACTURERS:—
Assemblers 7
Bakers 86
Basketmakers 91
Bedmakers 122
Bookbinders 119
Brush and mop makers 144
Carpenters 226
Knitters 85
Knitters repairers 73
Labourers 82
Mailbag makers 2911
Mailbag repairers 1709
Matmakers, coir and rope 1129
Moulders 20
Needleworkers and dressmakers 304
Needleworkers and dressmakers repairers 36
Netmakers 13
Pickers and sorters 573
Pouch—leather workers 162
Printers 22
Sackmakers and sailmakers 74
Shoemakers 95
Shoemakers repairers 121
Smiths, fitters and tinsmiths 101
Tagmakers 42
Tailors 393
Tailors repairers 139
Twine and rope makers 6
*These figures do not include the number of prisoners undergoing vocational training (312), appellants and those awaiting trial (543), those certified unfit for labour (34), those not told off for labour (348), the sick (800), and those undergoing punishment (65).
Employment Average number of

prisoners employed

MANUFACTURERS:—cont.
Weavers:—
Cotton and linen 115
Rugs and mats on frames and looms 38
Woollen 49
Wire fencing makers 32
Wood choppers 112
Extra-mural work for County Agricultural Executive Committees 443
Extra-mural work for private firms 34
Extra-mural work for Government Departments 181
Total 9,889
FARM:—
Attending cattle, cropping, market gardening, reclaiming land, labouring, bone-pounding, etc 246
BUILDING:—
Bricklayers and masons 120
Carpenters and joiners 77
Electricians 25
Labourers 611
Painters and glaziers 626
Plasterers 9
Plumbers 30
Quarrymen 22
Slaters 4
Smiths and fitters 56
Whitewashers 42
Total 1,258
DOMESTIC SERVICE:—
Cleaners, jobbers and labourers 1618
Cooks 521
Gardeners 462
Hospital orderlies 85
Stokers 97
Washers 369†
Total 3,l52
†Including certain washing done for other departments.

28. Mr. Dodds

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if he has yet given consideration to the resolution passed at a recent conference of magistrates calling for more efficient use of prison labour, details of which have been sent to him; and if he will make a statement on the matter.

Mr. Ede

I am aware that a recent conference of representatives of prison and Borstal visiting committees and boards of visitors passed a resolution which expressed concern as to the efficient use of prison labour and the provision of vocational training in prisons, although the resolution has not yet been formally submitted to me, It is not possible to deal adequately with the problems involved within the compass of a reply to a Parliamentary Question, but I am hopeful that recent inter-departmental discussions will result in an increased number of orders for the products of prison labour. Opportunities for vocational training are available, or will shortly be made available, in all the training prisons.

Mr. Dodds

Does not my right hon. Friend think that it would be much more desirable if a system were adopted by which these men would do more for their keep than they are doing at present?

Mr. Ede

I can assure my hon. Friend that I do all I can to encourage them to do more for their keep, but some of them do not appear to be very responsive. I therefore welcome every opportunity that can be afforded of providing them with work in which they can be expected to he interested.

Mr. Awbery

Will my right hon. Friend consider introducing legislation to make labour in prison a contract of service, so that a man will receive an insurance stamp, will be governed by the Industrial Injuries Act, and will not be penalised a second time after leaving prison?

Mr. Ede

No. To do that would involve many complications.

Mr. Niall Macpherson

Will the right hon. Gentleman agree that there is at least one part of our economy, where the Government has not secured full employment?

Mr. Ede

But the employment is available.