HC Deb 30 April 1947 vol 436 cc2107-11

Amendment proposed: In page 105, line 12, to leave out "required."—[Mr. Barnes.]

11.45 p.m.

Mr. Gallacher (Fife, West)

On a point of Order. Has it not been generally recognised that the procedure of this House was that at least 40 should constitute a Lobby, and if the Opposition can- not get 40, is it not usual for hon. Members who object to have to rise in their places?

Mr. Speaker

There is the right of dividing, and it is up to me to decide whether I think there are too few on one side. We must always have respect for the rights of minorities.

Mr. Sydney Silverman

Further to that point of Order. Do I understand from what you have said that the criterion which the Chair applies in deciding whether to apply that procedure or not,

Division No. 174.] AYES. [11.50 p.m.
Adams, Richard (Balham) Evans, John (Ogmore) Kendall, W. D.
Adams, W. T. (Hammersmith, South) Evans, S. N. (Wednesbury) King, E. M.
Alexander, Rt. Hon. A. V. Ewart, R. Kirkwood, D
Allen, A. C. (Bosworth) Fairhurst, F. Lavers, S.
Allen, Scholefield (Crewe) Farthing, W. J. Lee, Miss J. (Cannock)
Anderson, F. (Whitehaven) Field, Captain W. J. Leonard, W.
Bacon, Miss A Fletcher, E. C. M. (Islington, E.) Lewis, A. W. J. (Upton)
Baird, J. Follick, M. Lewis, J. (Bolton)
Barnes, Rt. Hon. A. J. Forman, J. C. Lewis, T. (Southampton)
Barton, C. Foster, W. (Wigan) Lindgren,. G. S.
Bartley, J. R. Freeman, Maj. J. (Watford) Lipson, D. L.
Bechervaise, A. E. Freeman, Peter (Newport) Logan, D. G.
Benson, G. Gaitskell, H. T. N. Longden, F
Berry, H. Gallacher, W. Lyne, A. W.
Bing, C. H. C. Ganley, Mrs. C. S. McGhee, H. G.
Blenkinsop, A. Gibbins, J. McKay, J. (Wallsend)
Blyton, W. R. Gibson, C. W. Mackay, R. W. C. (Hull, N.W.)
Boardman, H Gilzean, A. McKinlay, A. S.
Bottomley, A. C. Goodrich, H. E. McLeavy, F.
Bowden, Flg.-Offr. H. W. Gordon-Walker, P. C. Macpherson, T. (Romford)
Braddock, Mrs. E. M. (L'pl, Exch'ge) Granville, E. (Eye) Mainwaring. W. H.
Braddock, T. (Mitcham) Greenwood, A. W. J. (Heywood) Mallalieu, J. P. W.
Brook, D. (Halifax) Grey, C. F. Manning, C. (Camberwell, N.).
Brooks, T. J. (Rothwell) Grierson, E. Manning, Mrs. L. (Epping)
Brown, George (Belper) Griffiths, D. (Rother Valley) Marquand, H. A.
Brown, T. J. (Ince) Griffiths, Rt. Hon. J (Llanelly) Mothers, G.
Burden, T. W. Griffiths, W. D. (Moss Side) Medland, H. M.
Burke, W. A. Guest, Dr. L. Haden Mellish, R. J.
Butler, H. W. (Hackney, S.) Gunter, R. J. Messer, F.
Callaghan, James Guy, W. H. Mikardo, Ian
Carmichael, James Hale, Leslie Millington, Wing-Comdr. E. R
Castle, Mrs. B. A. Hall, W. G. Mitchison, Major G. R.
Champion, A. J. Hamilton, Lieut.-Col. R. Moody, A. S.
Chetwynd, G. R. Hannan, W. (Maryhill) Morgan, Dr. H. B
Clitherow, Dr. R. Hardy, E. A. Morley, R.
Cocks, F. S Harrison, J. Morris, Lt.-Col. H. (Sheffield, C.)
Coldrick, W. Hastings, Dr. Somerville Morris, P. (Swansea, W.)
Collindridge, F. Haworth, J. Moyle, A.
Collins, V. J. Henderson, A. (Kingswinford) Murray, J. D
Comyns, Dr. L. Hewitson, Capt. M. Nally, W.
Cook, T. F. Hobson, C. R. Neal, H. (Claycross)
Cooper, Wing-Comdr. G. Holman, P. Nicholls, H. R. (Stratford)
Corbel, Mrs. F. K (Camb'well, N.W) Holmes, H. E. (Hemsworth) Noel-Baker, Capt. F. E. (Brentford)
Corlett, Dr. J. House, G. Noel-Buxton, Lady
Daggar, G. Hoy, J. Oldfield, W. H
Davies, Edward (Burslem) Hubbard, T. Oliver, G. H.
Davies, Ernest (Enfield) Hudson, J. H. (Ealing, W.) Paling, Will T. (Dewsbury)
Davies, Harold (Leek) Hughes, Hector (Aberdeen, N.) Palmer, A. M. F.
Davies, Haydn (St. Pancras, S.W) Hughes, H. D. (Wolverhampton, W.] Pargiter, G. A
Deer, G. Hutchinson, H. L. (Rusholme) Parker, J.
de Freitas, Geoffrey Hynd, H. (Hackney, C.) Parkin, B, T.
Delargy, Captain H. J Hynd, J. B. (Attercliffe) Paton, Mrs. F. (Rushcliffe)
Diamond, J. Irving, W. J. Paton, J (Norwich)
Dobbie, W. Isaacs, Rt. Hon. G. A Pearson, A.
Dodds, N. N. Janner B. Peart, Capt. T. F
Driberg, T. E. N. Jay, D. P. T. Piratin, P.
Dugdale, J. (W. Bromwich) Jager, C. (Winchester) Plaits-Mills. J. F. F.
Durbin, E. F. M. Jeger, Dr. S. W. (St. Pancras, S.E.) Poole, Major Cecil (Lichfield)
Dye, S Jones, D. T. (Hartlspools) Popplewell, E.
Ede, Rt. Hon. J. C. Jones, Elwyn (Plaistow) Porter, E. (Warrington)
Edwards, John (Blackburn) Jones, P. Asterley (Hitchin) Porter, C. (Leeds)
Edwards. W. J. (Whitechapel) Keenan, W. Pritt, D. N.

is merely one of numbers, or has the good sense of the situation anything to do with it?

Major Beamish

What good sense? Nonsense?

Mr. Speaker

It is a matter for the Chair. How the Chair may decide is not a matter for the House at all.

Question put, "That the Amendment be made."

The House divided: Ayes, 269; Noes, 34.

Proctor, W. T Sparks, J. A. Warbey, W. N.
Pryde, D. J. Stamford, W Watkins, T. E.
Pursey, Cmdr H Steele, T. Watson, W. M
Randall, H. E Stephen, C. Weitzman, D.
Ranger, J. Stewart, Capt. Michael (Fulham, E.) Wells, P. L. (Faversham)
Reid, T. (Swindon) Strauss, C. R. (Lambeth) Wells, W. T. (Walsall)
Richards, R. Stubbs, A. E. West, D. G.
Ridealgh, Mrs. M Swingler, S. White, H. (Derbyshire, N.E.)
Robens, A Sylvester, G.[...] Whiteley, Rt. Hon. W.
Roberts, Goronwy, (Caernarvonshire) Symonds, A. L. Wigg, Col. G. E.
Robertson, J. J. (Berwick) Taylor, H. B. (Mansfield) Wilcock, Group-Capt. C. A. B
Ross, William (Kilmarnock) Taylor, R. J. (Morpeth) Wilkes, L.
Royle, C. Taylor, Dr. S (Barnet) Wilkins, W. A.
Sargood, R Thomas, D. E. (Aberdare) Willey, F. T. (Sunderland)
Scollan, T. Thomas, George (Gardiff) Williams, D. J. (Neath)
Scott-Elliot, W. Thorneycroft, Harry (Clayton) Williams, J. L. (Kelvingrove)
Shackleton, E. A. A Thurtle, Ernest Williams, W. R. (Heston)
Sharp, Granville Tiffany, S. Williamson, T.
Shawcross, C. N. (Widnes) Timmons, J Willis, E.
Shurmer, P. Titterington, M. F Wills, Mrs. E. A.
Silverman, J. (Erdington) Tolley, L. Wise, Major F. J
Silverman, S. S. (Nelson) Tomlinson, Rt. Hon. G Woodburn, A.
Simmons, C. J. Turner-Samuels, M. Wyatt, W.
Skeffington, A. M. Ungoed-Thomas, L. Yates, V. F.
Skinnard, F. W. Vernon, Maj. W. F
Smith, C. (Colchester) Wadsworth, G. TELLERS FOR THE AYES
Smith, S. H. (Hull, S.W.) Walkden, E. Mr. J. Henderson and
Snow, Capt. J. W Walker, G. H. Mr. Daines.
Sorensen. R. W Wallace, H. W. (Waltnamstow, E.)
NOES:
Aitken, Hon. Max Duthie, W. S Marlowe, A. A. H
Astor, Hon. M. Fox, Sir G. Marsden, Capt. A.
Barlow, Sir J. Fraser, Maj. H. C. P. (Stone) Mellor, Sir J.
Beamish, Maj. T. V H Fraser, Sir I. (Lonsdale) Morrison, Maj. J. G. (Salisbury)
Bromley-Davenport, Lt.-Col. W Haughton, S. G. Nicholson, C.
Bullock, Capt. M Henderson, John (Cathcart) Roberts, Maj. P. C. (Ecclesall)
Carson, E. Herbert, Sir A. P. Spence, H. R.
Cole, T. L. Holmes, Sir J. Stanley (Harwich) Teeling, William
Crosthwaite-Eyre, Col O E Jennings, R. Vane, W. M. F.
Darling, Sir W. Y. Lambert, Hon. G Wheatley, Colonel M. J.
Donner, Sqn.-Ldr. P. W. Langford-Holt, J.
Dower E L. G. (Caithness) Macpherson, Maj. N (Dumfries) TELLERS FOR THE NOES:
Mr. Butcher and Mr. De la Bere.