§ Mr. Speaker
The hon. and learned Member cannot move the next Amendment. That must be done by someone in whose name it stands on the Order Paper.
§ Lieut.-Colonel Byers (Dorset, Northern)
I beg to move, in page 37, line 43, to leave out " may," and to insert " shall."
May I ask, Mr. Speaker, whether the following Amendment may be considered with this one?
§ Lieut.-Colonel Byers
They do. Sir. In that case I shall also deal with the Amendment, in page 37, line 46, after " Minister,"To insert:or National Insurance Commissioner or a deputy Commissioner or a tribunal presided over by the National Insurance Commissioner or a deputy Commissioner.I do not propose to detain the House for long in dealing with these Amendments. The first is merely to make this Clause mandatory instead of permissive, and I hope that the Minister will accept that Amendment. The second deals with a rather different matter. As the Clause stands, there is only a right of appeal on a question of law from a decision which the Minister himself has made. We are seeking to insert in this Clause a provision that there shall also be a right of appeal to the High Court from a decision made by the National Insurance Commissioner. We are seeking to establish that there should be appeals from the National Insurance Commissioner, or a tribunal presided over by him, to the High Court. This is in keeping with the recommendations of the Commission on Ministers' powers, in which it was laid down that where there was a Ministerial tribunal there should be an appeal from that tribunal to the High Court. In view of the most important decisions which have recently been given in favour of claimants in connection with pensions appeals tribunals, I ask the Minister to accept the inclusion, in this Clause, of the words suggested.
§ Mr. Hopkin Morris
I beg to second the Amendment.
I would like to draw attention to the effect of the first Amendment. Subsection (1) of the Clause gives power to the 1187 Minister to make regulations and he can deal with any question arising in connection with this Measure,Including any claim for benefit, and subject to the provisions of the regulations the decision in accordance therewith of any such question shall be final.So it depends upon the regulations. If the regulations are so framed, the Minister can completely oust any appeal to the High Court. It will depend on the regulations whether there is such an appeal or not. The object of the Amendment is to ensure that the regulations shall be so framed that there must be a right of appeal to the High Court. The second Amendment follows naturally. In Subsection (3), it will be seen that various persons can decide a case— an officer appointed by the Minister, who can then refer it to a tribunal, and the tribunal can refer it to the National Insurance Commissioner or the deputy Commissioner. There is no further appeal from that; because apparently that is not the Minister's decision. As a result, there might be varying decisions by different national insurance commissioners, and varying decisions from various tribunals. It will be difficult to get uniformity if the High Court has been ousted, with the result that the law will be interpreted in different ways in different parts of the country, in accordance with the variations of the tribunals. There is a tendency, which is a bad growing modern practice, on the part of different Ministries, to oust the jurisdiction of the court. All we are seeking to do by this Amendment is to make sure that an appeal will lie.
Mr. McKie (Galloway)
I hope very much that whoever replies will give sympathetic consideration to the Amendment. I am sorry to say that it is not very often I agree with anything which emanates from the particular section of.the House associated with this Amendment and it is therefore pleasurable to me.to associate myself fully with every word which has been said by the mover and seconder. I was particularly pleased to hear my hon. and learned Friend the Member for Carmarthen (Mr. H.Morris)—
I was particularly pleased to hear him point out just the kind of 1188 irregularities that might easily arise in the administration of this matter if the permissive instead of the mandatory wording is adhered to. This raises a point of considerable substance. I am sure the hon. Member for Nelson and Colne (Mr.S. Silverman) will agree that a tremendous number of disputed cases will be bound to arise from the vast machinery which the Government are setting up under the National Insurance Bill. We wish to be perfectly sure, so far as possible, that anomalies are cleared away and we hope we may have this mandatory provision. As the hon. and learned Member for Carmar then has said, there is no certainty that the answer given to appeals may not vary considerably all over the country. We do not want that. I am thinking particularly of Scotland, and I am sure the hon. Member for Dumbarton Burghs (Mr.Kirk wood) will agree with me—
It is because I want to have the hon. Member's support. I want him to speak on this Amendment and urge his Government to accept this modest but very vital proposal which will ensure that there will be, so far as possible—
§ Mr. Speaker
Perhaps the hon. Member would direct himself to the Amendment and not to inciting other Members of the House: to make speeches.
I apologise, Sir. Addressing the Minister through you, Sir, may I express the hope that he will be able to tell us, when he comes to reply, that he will accept the mandatory instead of the permissive appeal to the High Court or to the Court of Session in Scotland. That, I understand, is included in Clause 79. If the Minister did that, it would clear away our very reasonable fears and apprehensions with regard to this matter.
§ Mr. S. Silverman
I cannot resist the appeal made by the hon. Member for Galloway (Mr. McKie). I support this Amendment but I do not think it raises the wide points of principle about which he spoke. The general point of principle is conceded in the Clause. Questions of law ought to be referred to the High Court for decision. There is no dispute 1189 about that at all. I understand the argument to be that it ought to be extended so as to make sure that a question of law will be referred to the High Court for decision wherever it arises and not only when it arises on a decision by the Minister. On that narrow point, I have pleasure in responding to the appeal made to me, and I hope the Minister will respond to the appeal made to him.
§ Mr. Gallacher
I would like to say a few words in view of the fact that an attempt was made to bring my hon. Friend the Member for Dumbarton Burghs (Mr. Kirkwood) into this discussion. I think it is correct that this matter should be left to the discretion of the Minister. I remember on one occasion standing in the High Court with the hon. Member for Dumbarton Burghs. The experience that he then had satisfied him that neither he nor anybody else wants to go to the High Court unless it is absolutely inevitable or compulsory. In the case of the hon. Member for Dumbarton Burghs it was compulsory. I suggest to the Minister that he uses his discretion and goes to the High Court as little as possible.
§ 4.45 p.m.
§ Lieut.-Colonel Byers
Does the hon. Gentleman not agree that people should have the right to appeal from a tribunal under this Act?
§ Mr. Gallacher
I believe the Minister will use his discretion in such a way as to ensure that he will go to the, High Court when it is necessary.
§ Mr. Beechman (St. Ives)
I require no incitement to make a few brief observations in support of the Amendment. I believe this is a matter which is fundamental to the purposes of good government in a democratic country, that, in all cases, there should be. available recourse to the courts. Although I think it is of the utmost value that there should be domestic tribunals, those domestic tribunals will function satisfactorily and their decisions will only be accepted by the people of this country if it is realised that behind them, there is the majesty of our law, before which we are all said to be equal.
§ Mr. Turner-Samuels (Gloucester)
I think it is right to say that this matter was thoroughly examined and decided in Committee—
§ Mr. Turner-Samuels
The whole point was that apart from any questions of law which might have to go to the Minister there should be no right of appeal from the tribunals. The avowed purpose of the new machinery was indeed to cut out the law courts, to put it quite bluntly. That was deliberately decided upstairs. This matter was examined fully and an attempt was made by an Amendment, on the same lines as the one we are now discussing, to introduce other machinery which it was the purpose of this Statute to exclude. I do not want to enter into the merits or demerits of that now, but it was overwhelmingly decided that it was not desirable, under this new form of social legislation which this Measure introduces. It was decided upstairs after full discussion that this ought not to be included and that there should not be a right of appeal. I ask the House to reaffirm what was done in Committee.
§ Mr. J. Griffiths
As my hon. and learned Friend the Member for Gloucester (Mr. Turner-Samuels) has said, there have been two discussions upon this matter on two separate Bills. First, we had a long discussion upon this problem when we considered the National Insurance (Industrial Injuries) Bill upstairs and again on Report stage. Also there was a discussion in the Committee on the National Insurance Bill. On every occasion I have asked the Committee and the House, as I ask the House now, to reject this Amendment
§ Lieut.-Colonel Byers
I think the right hon. Gentleman will appreciate that one of the reasons why we have brought this forward now is that since we have discussed it upstairs, on both Bills, there have been important decisions from the pensions appeal tribunal, and also the case of Dr. Hennessy and the General Medical Council.
§ Mr. Griffiths
I have read the letter in "The Times."I have considered this matter very fully and I believe we are perfectly right in sticking to the machinery provided by the Bill. Whatever may be said about the general machinery of the law, when we were considering the National Insurance (Industrial Injuries) Bill and the Social Insurance Bill there was general agreement that some machinery other than the machinery of 1191 the law, would be more suitable for this purpose. That is where we begin. Therefore, we have provided machinery for the determination of disputes in regard to claims under this Bill. The applicant, if his claim is turned down, will have the right to go to a tribunal presided over by an independent chairman sitting with two assessors who will be appointed by two panels representative of the people affected by this scheme. There will be an appeal from that tribunal to a Commissioner.
What we have done, therefore, is to provide our own machinery for the settlement of disputes of this kind. That machinery, we think, is better than the existing machinery. It will be quicker to arrive at a decision, will be less costly, and we are certain that it will give more general satisfaction. We have had this Bill under discussion in the House and in the country for four months now, and I am sure I am speaking for most of the people affected by it when I say that there is general satisfaction that this method of judging and settling disputes is better than the existing method.
§ Mr. S. Silverman
I do not think anybody will dispute that or would want to upset the machinery set up under the Bill for settling disputes as such. We are not concerned about that. What this Clause is concerned with is not a method of settling disputes but a matter of settling questions of law, and nobody thinks that they can be settled anywhere else than in the Law Courts.
§ Mr. Griffiths
So far. as that is concerned, there are questions of law as well as questions of fact. It is our view that they ought to be decided finally. There will be far more important questions of law on the National Insurance (Industrial Injuries) Bill than—
§ Mr. Hopkin Morris
How will the Minister discriminate between these questions of law which he is seeking to refer to the High Court and those questions of law which he will not?
§ Mr. Griffiths
If hon. Members will listen, I will endeavour to make it clear. First, there are questions which fall to 1192 be decided by the tribunal—questions of benefit. The tribunal will make a decision. There is an appeal against the decision of the tribunal to the Commissioner. When appeals go to him, they may be simple, straightforward appeals on which the Commissioner will be able to arrive at a decision. It is true that these appeals which may go to the Com missioner may raise difficult questions of law and also difficult questions of fact. I explained what we propose to do under the National Insurance (Industrial Injuries) Bill, and said that, when there are difficult questions of law, the Commissioner will be the presiding judge, who has to be a lawyer of eminent standing — the standing of a judge— assisted by two deputy Commissioners, who are also lawyers of eminence in appeals on points of law. Therefore, the decision will be made on difficult points of law, whenever they are raised, by the tribunal presided over by a Commissioner and two deputies, all three being lawyers, and we feel that that is ample provision for arriving at a decision on any points of law.
There will also be cases in which questions of fact have to be decided, and there again, I think, we have provided an admirable method by which the courts will solve problems of that kind. The Commissioner will sit with two law assessors to advise him upon questions of fact. In regard to that, I am not disposed to allow appeals from that decision to the High Court and thus mix up the new machinery with the old. If we want to do that, we had better scrap this machinery and go back to the old. We have provided this new machinery, and I know, from my own experience, that it is a better way of settling disputes than the existing method and that it will give satisfaction. There are questions which the Minister has to decide—
§ Mr. Turner-Samuels
It is a question of going to the Court of Appeal, and, possibly, to the House of Lords as well.
§ Mr. Griffiths
I know it means that, but, on these questions to be decided by the tribunal and the Commissioner, we have provided machinery that provides, in our view, a satisfactory way of dealing with them finally. The final decision will be given by the tribunal, presided over by the Commissioner. On other questions on which the Minister has to decide, there is provision in these cases that there can 1193 be appeal to the courts on points of law, and there is a question there, but I feel that, on such questions as the payment of death grants, it is better in claims of this kind, where there is more than one claimant to have the question decided by a tribunal rather than in court. We have discussed this matter at great length in connection with both these Bills, and I
§ am convinced that the machinery we provide is the best for the purpose. I hope the House will accept that view and reject the Amendment.
§ Question put, "That the word ' may ' stand part of the Bill."
§ The House divided: Ayes, 265: Noes, 146.1195
|Division No. 187.||AYES.||[4.55 p.m.|
|Adams, Richard (Balham)||Evans, S. N. (Wednesbury)||Logan, D. G.|
|Adams, W. T. (Hammersmith, South)||Ewart, R.||Lyne, A. W.|
|Allen, A. C. (Bosworth)||Fairhurst, F.||McEntee, V. La T|
|Allen, Scholefield (Crewe)||Farthing, W. J.||Mack, J. D.|
|Alpass, J. H.||Forman, J. C.||McKay, J. (Wallsend)|
|Anderson, A. (Motherwell)||Foster, W. (Wigan)||Mackay, R. W. G. (Hull. N. W.)|
|Anderson, F. (Whitehaven)||Fraser, T. (Hamilton)||McKinlay, A. S|
|Attewell, H. C.||Freeman, Maj. J. (Watford)||Maclean, N. (Govan)|
|Austin, H. L.||Gallacher, W.||McLeavy, F.|
|Awbery, S. S.||Ganley, Mrs. C. S||MacMillan, M. K. (Western Isles)|
|Ayles, W. H.||Gibbins, J.||Mainwaring, W. H.|
|Ayrton Gould, Mrs. B||Gibson, C. W||Mallalieu, J. P. W.|
|Balfour, A.||Gilzean, A.||Manning, Mrs. L (Epping)|
|Barnes, Rt. Hon. A. J||Glanville, J. E. (Consett)||Marquand, H. A|
|Barstow, P. G.||Gooch, E. G.||Martin, J. H.|
|Barton, C.||Goodrich, H. E.||Mayhew, C. P.|
|Battley, J. R.||Gordon-Walker, P. C.||Medland, H. M.|
|Bechervaise, A. E||Greenwood, Rt. Hon. A. (Wakefield)||Middleton, Mrs. L.|
|Belcher, J. W.||Greenwood, A. W. J. (Heywood)||Millington, Wing Comdr. E. R|
|Benson, G.||Granted, D. R||Mitchison, Maj. G. R.|
|Berry, H.||Grey, C. F.||Montague, F.|
|Beswick, F.||Grierson, E.||Moody, A. S.|
|Blyton, W. R.||Griffiths, D. (Rother Valley)||Morgan, Dr. H. B.|
|Boardman, H.||Griffiths, Rt. Hon. J. (Llanelly)||Morley, R.|
|Bowden, Flg.-Offr. H. W.||Griffiths, Capt. W. D. (Moss Side)||Morris, Lt.-Col. H. (Sheffield, O)|
|Bowles, F. G. (Nuneaton)||Gunter, Capt. R. J.||Morris, P. (Swansea, W.)|
|Braddock, Mrs. E. M. (L'pl, Exch'ge)||Guy, W. H.||Mart, D. L.|
|Braddock, T. (Mitcham)||Haire, Fit.-Lieut. J. (Wycombe)||Moyle, A.|
|Brook, D. (Halifax)||Hale, Leslie||Murray, J. D.|
|Brooks, T. J. (Rothwell)||Hall, W. G. (Colne Valley)||Nally, W.|
|Brown, T. J. (Ince)||Hamilton, Lleut.-Col. R.||Meal, H. (Claycross)|
|Bruce, Maj. D. W. T.||Hannan, W. (Maryhill)||Nichol, Mrs. M. E. (Bradford, N.)|
|Burden. T. W.||Hardy, E. A.||Nicholls, H. R. (Stratford)|
|Burke, W. A.||Harrison, J.||Noel-Baker, Capt. F. E. (Brentford)|
|Butler, H. W. (Hackney, S.)||Hastings, Dr. Somerville||Noel-Buxton, Lady|
|Callaghan, James||Haworth, J.||Oldfield, W. H.|
|Castle, Mrs. B. A.||Henderson, Joseph (Ardwick)||Oliver, G. H|
|Chamberlain, R. A||Herbison, Miss M||Orbach, M.|
|Champion, A. J.||Hobson, C. R||Pargiter, G. A.|
|Chater, D.||Holman, P.||Parker, J.|
|Chetwynd, Capt. G. R.||Holmes, H. E. (Hemsworth)||Peart, Capt. T. F|
|Clitherow, Dr. R||House, G.||Perrins, W|
|Cluse, W. S.||Hoy, J.||Piratin, P.|
|Cobb, F. A.||Hubbard, T.||Popplewell, E.|
|Cocks F. S.||Hughes, Emrys (S. Ayr)||Porter, E. (Warrington)|
|Coldrick, W.||Hughes, Hector (Aberdeen, N.)||Price, M. Philips|
|Collick, P.||Hughes, Lt. H. D. (W'lverh'pton, W.)||Pryde, D. J|
|Collindridge, F.||Hutchinson, H. L. (Rushelme)||Pursey, Cmdr H|
|Calman, Miss G. M||Hynd, H. (Hackney, C.)||Randall, H. E.|
|Comyns, Dr. L||Irving, W. J||Ranger, J|
|Cook, T. F.||Janner, B.||Rankin, J.|
|Cooper, Wins-Comdr. G.||Jeger, Dr. S. W. (St. Pancras, S.E.)||Reeves, J|
|Corlett, Dr. J.||John, W.||Reid, T. (Swindon)|
|Cove, W. G.||Jones, D. T. (Hartlepools)||Ridealgh, Mrs. M.|
|Daggar, G.||Jones, J. H. (Bolton)||Robens, A.|
|Dalton, Rt. Hon. H.||Keenan, W.||Roberts, Goronwy (Caernarvonshire)|
|Davies, Edward (Burslem)||Kenyon, C.||Robertson, J. J. (Berwick)|
|Davies, Harold (Leek)||King, E. M.||Rogers, G. H. R.|
|Davies, S. O. (Merthyr)||Kinghom, Sqn.-Ldr. E||Royle, C.|
|Deer, G.||Kinley, J.||Sargood, R.|
|Delargy, Captain H. J.||Kirby, B. V.||Scollan, T.|
|Dodds, N. N.||Kirkwood, D||Scott-Elliot, W|
|Driberg T. E. N.||Lang, G.||Segal, Dr. S.|
|Dumpleton, C. W.||Lee, Miss J. (Cannock)||Shackleton, Wing-Cdr. E. A. A.|
|Dye, S.||Leonard, W.||Sharp, Lt.-Col. G. M.|
|Edelman, M.||Lever, Fl. Off. N. H.||Silverman, J. (Erdington)|
|Edwards, Rt. Hon. Sir C. (Bedwellty)||Lewis, T. (Southampton)||Silverman, S. S. (Nelson)|
|Edwards, W. J. (Whitechapel)||Lindgren, G. S.||Simmons, C. J.|
|Evans, E. (Lowestoft)||Lipton, Lt.-Col. M.||Skeffington-Lodge, T. C.|
|Skinnard, F. W.||Taylor, R. J. (Morpeth)||Wallace, H. W. (Walthamatow, E.)|
|Smith, Capt. C. (Colchestar)||Taylor, Dr. S. (Barnet)||Warbey, W. N|
|Smith, Ellis (Stoke)||Thomas, Ivor (Keighley)||Watkins, T. E.|
|Smith, H. N. (Nottingham, S.)||Thomas, I. O. (Wrekin)||Watson, W. M.|
|Smith, T. (Normanton)||Thomas, George (Cardiff)||Wells, P. L. (Faversham)|
|Snow, Capt. J. W.||Thomson, Rt. Hn. G. R. (Ed'b'gh, E.)||Wells, W, T. (Walsall)|
|Solley, L. J.||Thorneycroft, H. (Clayton)||White, H. (Derbyshire, N.E.)|
|Sorensen, R. W.||Thurtle, E.||Whiteley, Rt. Hon. W.|
|Soskice, Maj. Sir F.||Tiffany, S.||Wilkes, Maj. L.|
|Sparks, J. A.||Timmons, J.||Wilkins, W. A.|
|Stamford, W.||Titterington, M. F.||Willey, O. G. (Cleveland)|
|Steele, T.||Tolley, L.||Williams, D. J. (Neath)|
|Stewart, Capt. Michael (Futham, E.)||Tomlinson, Rt. Hon. G.||Williams, J. L. (Kelvingrove)|
|Stokes, R. R.||Turner-Samuels, M.||Williams, Rt. Hon. T. (Don Valley)|
|Strachey, J.||Ungoed-Thomas, L.||Willis, E.|
|Stross, Dr. B.||Vernon, Maj. W. F.||Wills, Mrs. E. A.|
|Stubbs, A. E.||Viant, S. P.||Wise, Major F. J.|
|Swingler, S.||Walkden, E.||Young, Sir R. (Newton)|
|Symonds, Maj. A. L.||Walker, G. H.|
|Taylor, H. B. (Mansfield)||Wallace, G. D. (Chislehurst)||TELLERS FOR THE AYES:|
|Mr. Pearson and Mr. Bing.|
|Agnew, Cmdr. P. G.||Hannon, Sir P. (Moseley)||Nicholson, G.|
|Aitken, Hon. Max||Hare, Lieut-Col. Hn. J. H. (W'db'ge)||Nield, B. (Chester)|
|Allen, Lt.-Col. Sir W. (Armagh)||Harvey, Air-Cemdre A. V.||O'Neill, Rt. Hon. Sir H.|
|Astor, Hon. M.||Haughton, S. G.||Orr-Ewing, I. L.|
|Baldwin, A. E.||Head, Brig. A. H.||Osborne, C.|
|Barlow, Sir J.||Headlam, Lieut.-Col. Rt. Hon. Sir C.||Pickthorn, K.|
|Beamish, Maj. T. V. H.||Henderson, John (Cathcart)||Poole, O. B. S. (Oswestry)|
|Beechman, N. A.||Hinchingbrooke, Viscount||Prescott. Stanley|
|Bennett, Sir P.||Hogg, Hon. Q.||Raikes, H. V.|
|Birch, Nigel||Hollis, M. C.||Ramsay, Maj. S.|
|Boothby, R.||Hope, Lord J.||Roberts, Emrys (Merioneth)|
|Bossom, A. C.||Howard, Hon. A.||Robinson, Wing-Comdr. Roland|
|Boyd Carpenter, J. A.||Hudson, Rt. Hon. R. S. (Southport)||Ropner, Col. L.|
|Buchan-Hepburn, P. G. T.||Hulbert, Wing-Cdr. N. J.||Sanderson, Sir F.|
|Butler, Rt. Hon. R. A. (S'ffr'n W'ld'n)||Hurd, A.||Savory, Prof. D. L.|
|Carson, E.||Hutchison, Lt.-Cm. Clark (E'b'rgh W.)||Scott, Lord W.|
|Challen, C.||Hutchison, Col. J. R. (Glasgow, C.)||Smiles, Lt.-Col. Sir W.|
|Churchill, Rt. Hon. W. S.||Joynson-Hicks, Lf.-Cdr. Hon. L. W.||Smith, E. P. (Ashford)|
|Clarke, Col. R. S.||Keeling, E. H.||Smithers, Sir W.|
|Clifton-Brown, Lt.-Col. G.||Lambert, Hon. G.||Snadden, W. M.|
|Cole, T. L.||Lancaster, Col. C. G||Spearman, A.C. M.|
|Conant, Maj. R. J. E.||Langford-Holt, J.||Spence, H. R.|
|Cooper-Key, E. M.||Law, Rt. Hon. R. K.||Stewart, J. Henderson (Fife, E.)|
|Corbett, Lieut-Col. U. (Ludlow)||Legge-Bourke, Maj. E. A. H.||Stoddart-Scott, Col. M.|
|Crookshank, Capt. Rt. Hon. H. F. C||Lindsay, M. (Solihull)||Strauss, H. G. (English Universities)|
|Crosthwaite-Eyre, Col. O. E.||Lloyd, Maj. Guy (Renfrew, E.)||Stuart, Rt. Hon. J. (Moray)|
|Crowder, Capt. J. F. E.||Lloyd, Selwyn (Wirral)||Studholme, H. G.|
|Digby, Maj. S. W.||Low, Brig. A. R. W.||Sutcliffe, H.|
|Dodds-Parker, A. D.||Lucas-Tooth, Sir H.||Taylor, C. S. (Eastbourne)|
|Donner, Sqn.-Ldr. P. W.||Lyttelton, Rt. Hon. O.||Taylor, Vice-Adm. E. A. (P'dd't'n, S.)|
|Dower, E. L. G. (Caithness)||Mac Andrew, Col. Sir C.||Thomas, J. P. L. (Hereford)|
|Drayson, Capt. G. B.||McCallum, Maj. D.||Thomson, Sir D. (Aberdeen, S)|
|Drewe, C.||Macdonald, Capt. Sir P. (I. of Wight)||Thorneycroft, G. E. P. (Monmouth)|
|Dugdale, Maj. Sir T. (Richmond)||Mackeson, Lt.-Col. H. R.||Thornton-Kemsley, C. N.|
|Duthie, W. S.||McKie, J. H. (Galloway)||Touche, G. C.|
|Eccles D. M.||Maclean, Brig. F. H. R. (Lancaster)||Turton, R. H.|
|Eden, Rt. Hon. A.||Macmillan, Rt. Hon. Harold (Bromley)||Vane, W. M. T.|
|Erroll, F. J.||Macpherson, Maj. N. (Dumfries)||Wakefield, Sir W. W|
|Fletcher, W. (Bury)||Maitland, Comdr. J. W.||Walker-Smith, D.|
|Fox, Sqn.-Ldr. Sir G.||Manningham-Buller, R. E.||Ward, Hon. G. R.|
|Fraser, Maj. H. C. P. (Stone)||Marples, A. E.||Wheatley, Colonel M. J.|
|Fraser, Sir I. (Lonsdale)||Marsden, Capt. A.||Williams, C. (Torquay)|
|Gage, Lt.-Col. C.||Marshall, D. (Bodmin)||Williams, Gerald (Tonbridge)|
|Gates, Maj. E. E.||Marshall, S. H. (Sutton)||Willoughby de Eresby, Lord|
|George, Lady M. Lloyd (Anglesey)||Mellor, Sir J.||York, C.|
|Glossop, C. W. H.||Molson, A. H. E.||Young, Sir A. S. L. (Partick)|
|Glyn, Sir R.||Morris, Hopkin (Carmarthen)|
|Gomme-Duncan, Col. A. G.||Morris-Jones, Sir H.||TELLERS FOR THE NOES|
|Granville, E. (Eye)||Morrison, Rt. Hon. W. S. (Cirencester)||Lieut.-Colonel Byers and Mr. Bowen.|
|Grimston, R. V.||Neven-Spence, Sir B.|