HC Deb 19 November 1940 vol 365 cc1805-9
10. Mr. R. Gibson

asked the Secretary of State for War what deductions are made from a British officer's account during the period that he is a prisoner of war in Germany?

Mr. Eden

The only deductions made from the accounts of British officers who are prisoners of war in Germany are in respect of advances of pay made to them by the German Government and a charge for messing, which is subject to review.

Mr. Gibson

Is it correct to say that these amounts together come to roughly £10 a month in the case of a subaltern?

Mr. Eden

I should require notice of any question about the amounts.

Mr. Bellenger

Are officers who are prisoners of war able to draw advances of pay up to the extent of the credits that they have with their regimental funds in this country?

Mr. Eden

I should like notice of that, too. It is a complicated question.

20. Sir William Davison

asked the Secretary of State for War whether he is aware that many prisoners of war at Oflag VII Camp have only the battle dress which they were wearing when captured in the summer and are without overcoats; and whether, pending the arrival of Red Cross parcels, representations will be made to the German authorities that clothing be temporarily provided, as has been done in the case of German prisoners of war in Great Britain?

Mr. Eden

I am aware that many prisoners of war in Germany lack winter clothing, and I am using every means in my power to effect a remedy. The German Government have been urged, through the diplomatic channels available to us, to fulfil their obligations in this matter, and the American Government has in the last few clays been asked to make further representations.

Sir W. Davison

Has the attention of the German Government been drawn to Article 12 of the Geneva Convention, whereby captor States have agreed to supply clothing, underwear and boots, and to keep them in repair?

Mr. Eden

Yes, Sir; and there is no doubt whatever where the responsibility lies. The American Government have been asked to make representations to the German Government; it is their responsibility.

23. Sir W. Davison

asked the Secretary of State for War whether he can assure the House that weekly parcels of food and clothing are now reaching British prisoners of war camps in Germany and, in particular, are reaching the 1,500 British prisoners of war in Oflag VII Camp, where it is understood that few, if any, food parcels had been received from early July up to mid-October, the prisoners suffering severely from the wholly inadequate rations supplied to them; and whether deductions have regularly been made from officers' pay in respect of the inadequate diet provided?

Mr. Eden

As I wrote in answer to a Question last Tuesday, a telegram from the American Embassy in Berlin states that between 13th and 19th October, 1,838 parcels of food, clothes and books have been received by prisoners of war in Oflag VII Camp, and the flow of parcels is continuing. With regard to the latter part of the Question, the answer is in the affirmative; but the deductions now being made on account of pay issued by the German Government and of the messing provided by that Government will be reviewed as soon as official agreement is reached with the German Government, through diplomatic channels, on the rate of exchange to be applied to issues of pay to prisoners of both countries.

Sir W. Davison

Is my right hon. Friend aware that a great many of the parcels to which he has referred were parcels of books and were not wholly confined to food; and also that I receive letters from all over the country saying that many of our men are actually too weak to play games or to take active exercise because of the lack of ordinary food, and that they ask even for oatmeal to be sent to them to mix with their watery soup; and cannot anything more be done, because I am told that the Polish and French parcels are arriving much better than our own?

Mr. Eden

I said that the parcels were of food, clothing and books, but I am not certain with regard to the proportions.

Mr. Thorne

Has the right hon. Gentleman any information as to the amount and quality of the food that they are receiving in Germany?

Mr. Eden

Yes, Sir, I have, and I am dissatisfied with the position, hence the representations I have been making.

Major General Sir Alfred Knox

Is my right hon. Friend aware that in the camp at Oflag VII there are 1,600 prisoners and that this number of parcels may not have meant a parcel of food for each man?

Mr. Eden

I did not say that it did. I do not want the House to think that I am satisfied because 1,800 parcels got through. The situation is a very difficult one, and I can assure the House that I am doing everything in my power in the matter.

Sir W. Davison

Can my right hon. Friend say whether cigarettes as well as books can be sent direct by next of kin, because there is a great deal of misapprehension in the country whether cigarettes can be sent as well as books, or whether they have to go through the Red Cross?

Mr. Eden

I should like notice of that question.

Miss Ward

Will my right hon. Friend say why he is against a general inquiry?

Mr. Eden

I do not see how a general inquiry would get us much further. I am just as concerned and as much disturbed about it as is the hon. Lady, and I will do everything I can to improve the situation.

Viscountess Astor

If the right hon. Gentleman cannot control it, cannot the Government?

16. Miss Ward

asked the Secretary of State for War whether he will inquire into the co-operation between the records departments and the prisoners-of-war organisations, in order that there may be the greatest possible efficiency in the despatch of parcels to prisoners of war?

Mr. Eden

I have seen certain statements and suggestions to the effect that recent difficulties in despatching parcels to prisoners of war were due to a breakdown of the Casualty Branch of the War Office. These statements are based on a misapprehension of the machinery for sending parcels of food and clothing to prisoners of war. The War Organisation of the British Red Cross Society and the Order of St. John does not rely for this purpose upon information supplied to it by the Casualty Branch. The War Organisation receives without delay, and without any intervention from the Casualty Branch, a copy of all information coming from Geneva regarding prisoners of war, and acts upon this information. The difficulties which have been experienced in the despatch of parcels were due to obstacles in the way of transmission after the collapse of France, as was explained in the answer given to my hon. Friend the Member for Kensington, South (Sir W. Davison) on 5th November, of which I am sending the hon. Lady a copy.

Miss Ward

Is my right hon. Friend aware that the confusion has arisen owing to the telegrams from Geneva, naturally, coming in French, and there not being sufficient clerks at the Record Office capable of translating French telegrams accurately? Will my right hon. Friend look into that matter with the prisoners-of-war organisations?

Mr. Eden

I certainly will, but I am dealing at the moment with the Casualty Branch.

Miss Ward

Is my right hon. Friend aware that I said "the Record Office"?

18. Sir A. Knox

asked the Secretary of State for War whether he will consult the director of the Red Cross Society with a view to employing paid experts to organise the purchase, packing and despatch departments?

Mr. Eden

While this is a matter which must be left to the discretion of the War Organisation of the British Red Cross Society and the Order of St. John, I have consulted the organisation, and I understand that paid staff is already employed where necessary.

Sir A. Knox

Does not my right hon. Friend consider that voluntary workers, no matter how keen they are, cannot possibly compete with the number of parcels which ought to be sent every week, and that business men who have visited the organisation are strongly of opinion that business men are required there?

Mr. Eden

I raised that question, and I was told that they had paid workers. But, in view of what my hon. and gallant Friend has said, I will communicate again with the organisation.

Sir A. Knox

Do they not require business men from organisations like the Army and Navy Stores, which despatch hundreds of parcels every day?

Mr. R. Gibson

Are the paid workers experts?

Miss Ward

Should there not be an inquiry into the whole organisation, in view of the fact that many Government Departments are involved?

Viscountess Astor

Will my right hon. Friend bear in mind that there really is great anxiety among the parents of prisoners, that we are all getting very distressing letters, and that many of us think that there should be some overhaul of the arrangements?

Mr. Eden

My hon. Friend cannot be more concerned about this matter than I am. If she will look at the Order Paper, she will see that there are many more Questions on the subject, and I am going to explain the action that we are trying to take. There are circumstances which are beyond our control.