HC Deb 07 July 1938 vol 338 cc654-8

Lords Amendment: In page 25, line 10, at the end, insert: (c) the payment of the sum payable by the Commission under this Act to the Board of Trade in respect of the expenses incurred by the Board under the Registration Act.

Mr. Deputy-Speaker (Captain Bourne)

I have to direct the attention of the House to the fact that this Amendment raises a question of Privilege.

Captain Crookshank

I beg to move, "That this House doth agree with the Lords in the said Amendment."

The provisions of Clause 23 in the Bill as it left us dealt with the expenses of the Commission, and the insertion of this paragraph means that the Commission may borrow for payment, if necessary.

Mr. Deputy-Speaker

An entry will be made in the journal of the House.

Lords Amendment: In page 25, line 22, at the end, insert: (e) the payment of the sums payable by the Commission in respect of assignments to them of debts due in respect of rent payable before the vesting date.

Mr. Deputy-Speaker

This Amendment also raises a question of Privilege.

5.53 p.m.

Captain Crookshank

I beg to move, "That this House doth agree with the Lords in the said Amendment."

We discussed the question yesterday at great length about the assignment of debts in respect of rents payable, and this merely gives power in order to borrow to pay for them.

Sir S. Cripps

I do object to the Lords dealing with finance in this way. Empowering a body to borrow to pay other people's bad debts seems to be about the most unsound kind of finance. Perhaps it is the sort of finance with which their Lordships who are interested in this Bill are familiar. We shall, therefore, oppose this Amendment on the principle that the Lords ought not to interfere with the Privilege of this House as regards financial matters, and also because it seems to us thoroughly unsound finance.

Question put, "That this House doth agree with the Lords in the said Amendment."

The House divided: Ayes, 234; Noes, 140.

Division No. 283.] AYES. [5.53p.m.
Acland-Troyte, Lt.-Col. G. J. Culverwell, C. T. Hulbert, N. J.
Adams, S. V. T. (Leeds, W.) Davies, Major Sir G. F. (Yeovil) Hume, Sir G. H.
Agnew, Lieut.-Comdr. P. G. Dawson, Sir P. Hunter, T.
Albery, Sir Irving De la Bère, R. Hurd, Sir P. A.
Allen, Col. J. Sandeman (B'knhead) Denville, Alfred Inskip, Rt. Hon. Sir T. W. H.
Amery, Rt. Hon. L. C. M. S. Dixon, Capt. Rt. Hon. H. Kerr, H. W. (Oldham)
Anderson, Rt. Hn. Sir J. (Sc'h Univ's) Doland, G. F. Kerr, J. Graham (Scottish Univs.)
Anstruther-Gray, W. J. Donner, P. W. Kimball, L.
Aske, Sir R. W. Dorman-Smith, Major Sir R. H. Lamb, Sir J. Q.
Assheton, R. Drewe, C. Lambert, Rt. Hon. G
Astor, Major Hon. J. J. (Dever) Duckworth, W. R. (Moss Side) Law, Sir A. J. (High Peak)
Astor, Viscountess (Plymouth, Sutton) Dugdale, Captain T. L. Law, R. K. (Hull, S.W.)
Baillie, Sir A. W. M. Dunglass, Lord Leech, Sir J. W.
Baldwin-Webb, Col. J. Ellis, Sir G. Leighton, Major B. E. P.
Balfour, Capt. H. H. (Isle of Thanet) Elmley, Viscount Lewis, O.
Barclay-Harvey, Sir C. M. Emmott, C. E. G. C. Liddall, W. S.
Beauchamp, Sir B. C. Emrys-Evans, P. V. Lindsay, K. M.
Beaumont, Hon. R. E. B. (Portsm 'h) Entwistle, Sir C. F. Lipson, D. L.
Bennett, Sir E. N. Errington, E. Llewellin, Colonel J. J.
Bossom, A. C. Erskine-Hill, A. G. Loftus, P. C.
Boulton, W. W. Evans, Capt. A. (Cardiff, S.) Mabane, W. (Huddersfield)
Boyce, H. Leslie Everard, W. L. MacAndrew, Colonel Sir C. G.
Braithwaite, Major A. N. Fox, Sir G. W. G. M'Connell, Sir J.
Briscoe, Capt. R. G. Fremantle, Sir F. E. McCorquodale, M. S.
Brown, Brig.-Gen. H. C. (Newbury) Furness, S. N. Macdonald, Capt. P. (Isle of Wight)
Browne, A. C. (Belfast, W.) Fyfe, D. P. M. McKie, J. H.
Bull, B. B. Gibson, Sir C. G. (Pudsey and Oiley) Maclay, Hon. J. P.
Bullock, Capt. M. Gilmour, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Sir J. Macmillan, H. (Stockton-on-Tees)
Burgin, Rt. Hon. E. L. Gledhill, G. Macnamara, Major J. R. J.
Campbell, Sir E. T. Gluckstein, L. H. Macquisten, F. A.
Cartland, J. R. H. Goldie, N. B. Maitland, A.
Cary, R. A. Gower, Sir R. V. Makins, Brigadier-General Sir Ernest
Castlereagh, Viscount Grant-Ferris, R. Margesson, Capt. Rt. Hon. H. D. R.
Cayzer, Sir C. W. (City of Chester) Grattan-Doyle, Sir N. Marsden, Commander A.
Cayzer, Sir H. R. (Portsmouth, S.) Gridley, Sir A. B. Mason, Lt.-Col. Hon. G. K. M.
Cazalet, Thelma (Islington, E.) Grimston, R. V. Mayhew, Lt.-Col. J.
Channon, H. Guest, Lieut.-Colonel H. (Drake) Meller, Sir R. J. (Mitcham)
Chapman, A. (Rutherglen) Guest, Hon. I. (Brecon and Radnor) Mellor, Sir J. S. P. (Tamworth)
Chapman, Sir S. (Edinburgh, S.) Guinness, T. L. E. B. Mills, Major J. D. (New Forest)
Clarke, Colonel R. S. (E. Grinstead) Hambro, A. V. Mitchell, H. (Brentford and Chiswick)
Clarry, Sir Reginald Hannah, I. C. Morgan, R. H.
Cobb, Captain E. C. (Preston) Haslam, Henry (Horncastle) Morrison, G. A. (Scottish Univ's.)
Colman, N. C. D. Haslam, Sir J. (Bolton) Neven-Spence, Major B. H. H.
Colville, Rt. Hon. John Heilgers, Captain F. F. A. Nicholson, G. (Farnham)
Conant, Captain R. J. E. Hely-Hutchinson, M. R. Nicolson, Hon. H. G.
Cook, Sir T. R. A. M. (Norfolk, N.) Hepburn, P. G. T. Buchan- O'Neill, Rt. Hon. Sir Hugh
Cooke, J. D. (Hammersmith, S.) Herbert, A. P. (Oxford U.) Palmer, G. E. H.
Cooper, Rt. Hn. A. Duff (W'st'r S.G'gs) Herbert, Major J. A. (Monmouth) Peake, O.
Courthope, Col. Rt. Hon. Sir G. L. Higgs, W. F. Peat, C. U.
Cox, H. B. Trevor Holmes, J. S. Peters, Dr. S. J.
Craven-Ellis, W. Hope, Captain Hon. A. O. J. Petherick, M.
Crookshank, Capt. H. F. C. Hore-Belisha, Rt. Hon. L. Pickthorn, K. W. M.
Cross, R. H. Horsbrugh, Florence Ponsonby, Col. C. E.
Crossley, A. C. Hudson, Capt. A. U. M. (Hack., N.) Porritt, R. W.
Crowder, J. F. E. Hudson, Rt. Hon. R. S. (Southtport) Pownall, Lt.-Col. Sir Assheton
Procter, Major H. A. Shakespeare, G. H. Thorneycroft, G. E. P.
Radford, E. A. Shaw, Major P. S. (Wavertree) Titchfield, Marquess of
Raikes, H. V. A. M. Shaw, Captain W. T. (Forfar) Touche, G. C.
Ramsay, Captain A. H. M. Shepperson, Sir E. W. Walker-Smith, Sir J.
Rathbone, J. R. (Bodmin) Simmonds, O. E. Wallace, Capt. Rt. Hon. Euan
Rayner, Major R. H. Simon, Rt. Hon. Sir J. A. Ward, Lieut.-Col. Sir A. L. (Hull)
Reid, J. S. C. (Hillhead) Smiles, Lieut.-Colonel Sir W. D. Ward, Irene M. B. (Wallsend)
Reld, W. Allan (Derby) Smith, Bracewell (Dulwich) Wardlaw-Milne, Sir J. S.
Remer, J. R. Smith, Sir R. W. (Aberdeen) Warrender, Sir V.
Rickards, G. W. (Skipton) Somervell, Rt. Hon. Sir Donald Water-house, Captain C.
Robinson, J. R. (Blackpool) Somerville, A. A. (Windsor) Watt, Major G. S. Harvie
Ropner, Colonel L. Southby, Commander Sir A. R. J. Wayland, Sir W. A.
Ross, Major Sir R. D. (Londonderry) Spens, W. P. Wedderburn, H. J. S.
Royds, Admiral Sir P. M. R. Stanley, Rt. Hon. Lord (Fylde) Wells, Sir Sydney
Ruggles-Brise, Colonel Sir E. A. Stanley, Rt. Hon. Oliver (W'm'l'd) Whiteley, Major J. P. (Buckingham)
Russell, Sir Alexander Strauss, E. A. (Southwark, N.) Willoughby de Eresby, Lord
Russell, R. J. (Eddisbury) Strauss, H. G. (Norwich) Windsor-Clive, Lieut.-Colonel G.
Russell, S. H. M. (Darwen) Stuart, Lord C. Crichton- (N'thw'h) Womersley, Sir W. J.
Salmon, Sir I. Stuart, Hon. J. (Moray and Nairn) Wood, Hon. C. I. C.
Salt, E. W. Sueter, Rear-Admiral Sir M. F. Wragg, H.
Samuel, M. R. A. Tasker, Sir R. I. Wright, Wing-Commander J. A. C.
Sandeman, Sir N. S. Tate, Mavis C.
Sanderson, Sir F. B. Taylor, Vice-Adm. E. A. (Padd., S.) TELLERS FOR THE AYES.
Scott, Lord William Thomson, Sir J. D. W. Mr. Munro and Major Sir James
Adams, D. (Consett) Groves, T. E. Poole, C. C.
Adams, D. M. (Poplar, S.) Guest, Dr. L. H. (Islington, N.) Price, M. P.
Adamson, W. M. Hall, G. H. (Aberdare) Pritt, D. N.
Ammon, C. G. Hall, J. H. (Whitechapel) Quibell, D. J. K.
Anderson, F. (Whitehaven) Hardie, Agnes Richards, R. (Wrexham)
Attlee, Rt. Hon. C. R. Harris, Sir P. A. Ridley, G.
Banfield, J. W. Hayday, A. Riley, B.
Barr, J. Henderson, A. (Kingswinford) Ritson, J.
Batey, J. Henderson, J. (Ardwick) Roberts, Rt. Hon. F. O. (W. Brom.)
Bellenger, F. J. Henderson, T. (Tradeston) Robinson, W. A. (St. Helens)
Benn, Rt. Hon. W. W. Hicks, E. G. Salter, Dr. A. (Bermondsey)
Benson, G. Hills, A. (Pontefract) Sanders, W. S.
Broad, F. A. Holdsworth, H. Seely, Sir H. M.
Bromfield, W. Hollins, A. Sexton, T. M.
Brown, C. (Mansfield) Jagger, J. Silverman, S. S.
Brown, Rt. Hon. J. (S. Ayrshire) Jones, A. C. (Shipley) Simpson, F. B.
Buchanan, G. Jones, Morgan (Caerphilly) Sinclair, Rt. Hon. Sir A. (C'thn's)
Burke, W. A. Kelly, W. T. Smith, E. (Stoke)
Cape, T. Kennedy, Rt. Hon. T. Smith, Rt. Hon. H. B. Lees- (K'ly)
Charleton, H. C. Kirby, B. V. Smith, T. (Normanton)
Chater, D. Kirkwood, D. Stephen, C.
Cluse, W. S. Lansbury, Rt. Hon. G. Stewart, W. J. (H'ght'n-le-Sp'ng)
Clynes, Rt. Hon. J. R. Lathan, G. Stokes, R. R.
Cooks, F. S. Lawson, J. J. Strauss, G. R. (Lambeth, N.)
Collindridge, F. Leach, W. Summerskill, Dr. Edith
Cripps, Hon. Sir Stafford Lee, F. Taylor, R. J. (Morpeth)
Dalton, H. Leonard, W. Thorne, W.
Davidson, J. J. (Maryhill) Leslie, J. R. Thurtle, E.
Davies, R. J. (Westhoughton) Lunn, W. Tinker, J. J.
Day, H. Macdonald, G. (Ince) Tomilnson, G.
Dobbie, W. McGhee, H. G Viant, S. P.
Dunn, E. (Rother Valley) McGovern, J. Walkden, A. G.
Ede, J. C. MacLaren, A. Walker, J.
Edwards, A. (Middlesbrough E.) Marshall, F. Watkins, F. C.
Edwards, Sir C. (Bedwellty) Maxton, J. Watson, W. McL.
Fletcher, Lt.-Comdr. R. T. H. Messer, F. Wedgwood, Rt. Hon. J. C.
Foot, D. M. Milner, Major J. Welsh, J. C.
Frankel, D. Montague, F. Westwood, J.
Gardner, B. W. Morrison, Rt. Hon. H. (Hackney, S.) White, H. Graham
Garro Jones, G. M. Morrison, R. C. (Tottenham, N.) Wilkinson, Ellen
George, Major G. Lloyd (Pembroke) Naylor, T. E. Williams, E. J. (Ogmore)
Gibson, R. (Greenock) Oliver, G. H. Williams, T. (Don Valley)
Graham, D. M. (Hamilton) Owen, Major G. Wilson, C. H. (Attercliffe)
Green, W. H. (Deptford) Paling, W. Woods, G. S. (Finsbury)
Greenwood, Rt. Hon. A. Parker, J.
Grenfell, D. R. Parkinson, J. A. TELLERS FOR THE NOES.
Griffiths, G. A. (Hemsworth) Pearson, A. Mr. Whiteley and Mr. Mathers.
Griffiths, J. (Llanelly) Pethick-Lawrence, Rt. Hon. F. W.

Question put, and agreed to.

Subsequent Lords Amendments to page 27, line 32, agreed to.