HC Deb 12 April 1938 vol 334 cc1065-75

(1) As from the twenty-fourth day of June, nineteen hundred and thirty-eight, the principal Acts and the Act of 1933 shall, notwithstanding anything contained in Section two of the Act of 1923, apply to any premises used for business, trade, or professional purposes or for the public service of which the rateable value on the appointed day did not exceed

  1. (a) in the metropolitan police district or the City of London, forty-five pounds;
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  3. (b) in Scotland, forty-five pounds;
  4. (c) elsewhere, thirty-five pounds;
as they apply to a dwelling-house, and as though reference to "dwelling-house," "house," and "dwelling" included references to any such premises, but the principal Acts, and the Act of 1933 and this Act in their application to such premises shall have effect subject to the following modifications:

(a) The following paragraph shall be substituted for paragraph (h) and the proviso thereto in the First Schedule to the Act of 1933: (h) the premises are reasonably required by the landlord for business, trade, or professional purposes or for the public service, and the Court is satisfied that alternative accommodation, reasonably equivalent as regards rent and suitability in all respects, is available.

(b) Paragraph (g) of the said Schedule shall not apply;

(c) Sections nine and ten of the Act of 1920 shall not apply.

(2) The application of the principal Acts, the Act of 1933, and this Act, to such premises as aforesaid shall not extend to a letting or tenancy in any market or fair where the rent or conditions of tenancy are controlled or regulated by or in pursuance of any statute or charter.—[Mr. Charles Brown.]

Brought up, and read the First time.

10.52 p.m.

Mr. Charles Brown

I beg to move, "That the Clause be read a Second time."

The issue raised by this Clause is a relatively simple one. Having regard to an experience a few weeks ago, when I moved the Second Reading of a Bill which hon. Members opposite said would seriously damage private traders, I am expecting to have their support on this occasion because not infrequently they pose as the friends of the small trader and, therefore, when we want to do the small trader a good turn I think we are entitled to their support in the Lobby. There is no doubt that very many small traders have suffered considerably from the fact that their properties were decontrolled some 17 years ago. When the matter was before the Committee my right hon. Friend the Member for West Stirling (Mr. Johnston) made a very good case for the recontrolling of the type of premises referred to in the Clause. It cannot be said that the Minister used any arguments against this proposal, but he made some excuses, which is rather a different thing. Incidentally he agreed that my right hon. Friend had made a case which clearly showed that some people were dealing with properties occupied by small traders in a way which could rightly be described as very unjust and unfair and that certain of them deserved imprisonment. He went on to make a couple of excuses as to why he could not accept the proposal. He said: In effect it proposes to recontrol shop property and offices which, as a matter of fact, have been free from control for some 17 years and which during that time must have changed hands very frequently indeed." —[OFFICIAL REPORT (Standing Committee A), 5th April, 1938; col. 244.] As I said a moment ago, that cannot be regarded as a reason for refusing to accept this proposal, though the Minister may regard it as a very good excuse. In the intervening years many hon. Members could bring forward illustrations to show that injustices and hardships have occurred as a result of the action that was then taken. They continue, and in some respects they are increasing. Therefore, I think we are justified in asking for recontrol of these premises up to the limit of the rateable value specified in the Clause. The Minister cannot be making the excuse I have just quoted because he does not believe in restriction, for he is a member of a Government that, all the time it has been in office, has been imposing restrictions of one kind or another on something. Therefore, if it had been a matter of principle with him that no restrictions of any kind should be imposed on people, he would long ago have resigned from the Cabinet. Obviously, therefore, it is not a matter of principle so far as he is concerned. I am sure that the right hon. Gentleman would not have remained a member of the Government if he took that view, and, therefore, I hope he will not adopt that attitude to-night when he is replying on the Clause. For him there cannot be any matter of principle involved in the issue which it raises. He gave another reason that I should like to quote for not accepting the Clause. He said: I have never known it put forward in the policy or programme of any Government that we should begin to control shop property even of a small character in this country."—[OFFICIAL. REPORT (Standing Committee A), 5th April, 1938; col. 244.] Is it any reason for not doing a thing that it has never been put forward in the programme of a Government? Have not right hon. Gentlemen opposite done many things that were not put forward in their programme? That cannot be a reason for not doing a particular thing. But this Government is a unique Government; it is not bound by any programme, by any precedent, or by any principle. It can break all rules and all principles, and "get away with it" every time. Therefore, I contend that the Minister to-night, when he turns down this proposal, as he probably will, cannot do it on the basis of principle, because he has always been supporting in the Lobby restrictions of one kind or another. He will not be doing it, either, because he has not sacrificed over and over again the principles of the political philosophy in which he used to believe, but in which he no longer believes. Over his head I think I can justly appeal to all hon. Members opposite who sing the praises of the private trader, who tell us over and over again that they wish specially to care for the private trader. Here he is in hundreds being injured in various parts of the country, owing to the fact that his premises are not controlled in any way. I invite hon. Members to join us in giving his some measure of protection to-night.

Mr. Ede

I beg to second the Motion.

11.0 p.m.

The Solicitor-General

With a glimpse of prophetic vision, the hon. Member for Mansfield (Mr. C. Brown) apprehended that my right hon. Friend would probably, as he called it, desire to turn down this Clause. I am afraid that that prophetic vision was only too accurate. I a m on my feet to give reasons, which I hope will commend themselves to every Member of the House, why this particular Clause should not be added to the Bill. What this Clause proposes to do is to re-control shop property, offices, and premises for professional purposes and the public services.

Broadly speaking, the Rent Restrictions Acts were passed to protect men in their dwellings, and not in their livelihoods. It is true that one exception was made, in the case of the small man who had his livelihood at his dwelling, who lived at his shop. The curious thing is that it is against that remaining element that all the representations that have been received by the Marley Committee and the Ridley Committee have been directed. So far from there being any evidence in favour of the type of Clause which the hon. Member has moved, all the representations have been made with a view to removing that anomaly, which gives an unfair advantage to the man living over his shop against the man who has to have a lockup shop. Just for a short time there was control of business premises. That disappeared in 1921, and for 17 years there has been no control of business premises, other than the very limited kind that I have described, and that has been the subject of complaining representations.

There is nothing to be said for this Clause. It proposes to put the clock back, to re-control property and offices, which were decontrolled 17 years ago, and which in the meantime have probably changed hands umpteen times—[HON. MEMBERS: "Order! "—shall I say, have had many variations of tenancies during that time? The fortunes of the occupants have changed; and, as I have shown, the policy of Parliament has been not to extend the existing anomalies. There have been complaints that even the slender thread that still remains should not be allowed to remain; that it is hardly fair to shopkeepers who have lock-up shops. There is nothing to be said for the Clause, and I hope the House will be unanimous in rejecting it.

11.3 p.m.

Mr. Montague

The Solicitor-General deals with this Clause in a very cavalier fashion. He makes the statement that there is nothing to be said for it, and lets it go at that. I remember the discussion to which the hon. Member for Mansfield (Mr. C. Brown) referred this evening, on the question of municipal trading. I remember the sobs in the throats of hon. Members opposite about the woes of small traders. One could almost see the tears flowing down the cheeks of men whose pockets, in many cases, were filled with dividends from firms which were crushing and suppressing the small traders. But they thought it good enough, just as Conservative local authorities think it good enough, to make out that the Labour party were the one party opposed to small traders. We have a body of gentlemen in my district who call themselves the local chamber of commerce. They are nothing of the kind. They are only concerned with selling a few more goods than they otherwise would. There is nothing of the Chamber of Commerce of Liverpool about them. That body was very concerned about the representative of West Islington (Mr. Montague) speaking in favour of municipal trading, or granting powers to trade municipally, which would have the effect, they said, of crushing the small trader, who had been the butt of the Labour party for many years. As the hon. Member for Mansfield said, hon. Members opposite have now an opportunity of standing up for the small trader and voting for the small trader.

The Solicitor-General says that it is a reactionary Clause; that it is putting the clock back. The party opposite are competent authorities on putting the clock back. I am not concerned about the fact that the control of small business premises was raised 17 years ago. There is no reason in the world why even if it is a question of livelihood and not of a dwelling the blackmailing landlords should be able to injure small traders any more than they injure people who are living in ordinary dwelling-houses. If hon. Members will look at the Clause they will see that the limits of rent bring only the very small traders into it. It does not touch the ordinary shopkeeper but the small trader, who will be made bankrupt by a little increase of rent. We are always told that, when there is an election. A great deal of capital was made at the last London County Council election about the rising rates crushing the small shopkeeper. It is the type of small shopkeeper who lives dangerously from the commercial point of view, who is very often on the verge of bankruptcy under the system under which we live, that we seek to help by this Clause. These people are under the heel of unscrupulous landlords because they are out of control. They were under control before and there is no logical reason why they should not come into control again, and we claim that that should be done in order to assist the small trader.

When we defend municipal trading and co-operative societies we are merely accepting the fact that in the development of modern commerce big capital wins, and that what is good enough for big combinations of capital, in retail or any other kind of trade, is good enough for co-operative societies and municipalities. You cannot help the spread of big business, chain stores, and large accumulations of retail shops under one directorate; but we can help the small trader by voting for this Clause, and I would ask the Government to hel them by accepting the Clause and incorporating it in the Bill. I tell the Solicitor-General and the Minister of Health that if they will not do that and if they turn the Clause down, I will tell my constituents and my Chamber of Commerce what they have done.

11.4 p.m.

Mr. Liddall

I accept the challenge of the hon. Member opposite and I declare that we on these benches look after the interests of the private trader. I am certain that had the Mover of the new Clause not been so defiant he would have found the Solicitor-General not treating him perhaps as lightly as he did. I do not accept the description of landlords as blackmailing landlords. I do not believe that there are landlords in this country who use blackmail. They have the right, as we all have the right, to put forward their proposals as to what return they ought to get for any outlay on their property. But I do say that there is something in this new Clause. We on this side of the House are permitted to express our own opinions and to appeal to the Government to accept a new Clause or an Amendment. That is our privilege in the ranks of the Conservative party—a privilege of which hon. Members opposite of the Socialist party are deprived. I speak on behalf of thousands of small shopkeepers and I have in mind, particularly, the retail newsagent, confectioner and tobacconist. In many cases, the rateable value of his property is not assessed higher than£20.

If we leave the Bill as it is in this respect, there will be countless cases in which these men will be called on to pay some slight addition to their rent. Even a slight addition, I know, will be a real hardship in hundreds of cases. It is on that ground that I ask the Government to consider this point. It is not a question of threatening the Government, or saying that landlords are guilty of blackmail. But I ask the Minister to consider all these hundreds and thousands of small shopkeepers in England. I am not concerned about Scotland or Wales but I am concerned about the people in England who may, possibly, be affected by this Measure and I hope their case will receive further consideration.

Question put, "That the Clause be read a Second time."

The House divided: Ayes, 130; Noes, 187.

Division 178. AYES. 10.43 p.m.
Acland, R. T. D. (Barnstaple) Grenfell, D. R. Noel-Baker, P. J.
Adams, D. (Consett) Griffith, F. Kingsley (M'ddl'sbro, W.) Oliver, G. H.
Adams, D. M. (Poplar, S.) Griffiths, G. A. (Hemsworth) Paling, W.
Adamson, W. M. Griffiths, J. (Llanelly) Parkinson, J. A.
Alexander, Rt. Hon. A. V. (H'lsbr.) Groves, T. E. Pearson, A.
Ammon, C. G. Guest, Dr. L. H. (Islington, N.) Pethick-Lawrence, Rt. Hon. F. W.
Anderson, F. (Whitehaven) Hall, G. H. (Aberdare) Price, M. P.
Aske, Sir R. W. Hall, J. H. (Whitechapel) Pritt, D. N.
Attlee, Rt. Hon. C. R. Hardie, Agnes Quibell, D. J. K.
Banfield, J. W. Harris, Sir P. A. Rathbone, Eleanor (English Univ's.)
Barnes, A. J. Harvey, T. E. (Eng. Univ's.) Ridley, G
Barr, J. Hayday, A. Riley, B.
Bellenger, F. J. Henderson, A. (Kingswinford) Ritson. J.
Benn, Rt. Hon. W. W. Henderson, J. (Ardwick) Roberts, Rt. Hon. F. O. (W. Brom.)
Benson, G. Henderson, T. (Tradeston) Robinson, W. A. (St. Helens)
Bevan, A. Hills, A. (Pontefract) Salter, Or. A. (Bermondsey)
Broad. F. A. Hollins, A. Seely, Sir H. M.
Bromfield, W. Hopkin, D. Sexton. T. M.
Brown, C. (Mansfield) Jagger, J. Silverman, S. S.
Brown, Rt. Hon. J. (S. Ayrshire) Jenkins, Sir W. (Neath) Simpson, F. B.
Buchanan, G. John, W. Smith, Ben (Rotherhithe)
Burke, W. A. Johnston, Rt. Hon. T. Smith, E. (Stoke)
Butcher, H. W. Jones, A. C. (Shipley) Smith, T. (Normanton)
Cape, T. Jones, Morgan (Caerphilly) Sorensen, R. W.
Cassells, T. Kelly, W. T. Stephen, C.
Charleton, H. C. Kennedy, Rt. Hon. T. Stewart, W. J. (H'ght'n-le-Sp'ng)
Chater, D. Kirby, B. V. Strauss, G. R. (Lambeth, N.)
Cluse, W. S. Lansbury, Rt. Hon. G. Summerskill, Edith
Cocks, F. S. Lathan, G. Taylor, Vice-Adm. E. A. (Padd., S.)
Cove, W. G. Lawson, J. J. Taylor, R. J. (Morpeth)
Daggar. G. Leach, W. Thurtle, E.
Davidson, J. J. (Maryhill) Lee, F. Tinker, J. J.
Davies, S. O. (Merthyr) Leslie, J. R. Tomlinson, G.
Dunn, E. (Rother Valley) Logan, D. G. Viant, S. P.
Ede, J. C. Lunn, W. Walkden, A. G.
Edwards, A. (Middlesbrough E.) Macdonald, G. (Ince) Walker, J.
Edwards, Sir C. (Bedwellty) McEntee, V. La T. Walkins, F. C.
Fletcher, Lt.-Comdr. R. T. H. MacLaren, A. Watson, W. McL.
Foot, D. M. Maclean, N. Westwood, J.
Frankel, D. Mander, G. le M. Whiteley, W. (Blaydon)
Gallacher, W. Mathers, G. Williams, D. (Swansea, E.)
Gardner, B. W. Maxton, J. Williams, T. (Don Valley)
Garro Jones, G. M. Milner, Major J. Windsor, W. (Hull, C.)
George, Megan Lloyd (Anglesey) Montague, F. Woods, G. S. (Finsbury)
Gibson, R. (Greenock) Morrison, R. C. (Tottenham, N.) Wright, Wing-Commander J. A. C.
Graham, D. M. (Hamilton) Muff, G. Young, Sir R. (Newton)
Green, W. H. (Deptford) Nathan, Colonel H. L.
Greenwood, Rt. Hon. A. Naylor, T. E. TELLERS FOR THE AYES.—
Mr. Salt and Mr. Cartland.
Acland-Troyle, Lt.-Col. G. J. Fox, Sir G. W. G. Palmer, G. E. H.
Adams, S. V. T. (Leeds, W.) Fremantle, Sir F. E. Patrick, C. M.
Albery, Sir Irving Furness, S. N. Peat, C. U.
Allen, Col. J. Sandeman (B'knhead) Fyfe, D. P. M. Petherick, M.
Anderson, Rt. Hn. Sir J. (Se'h Univ's) Gibson, Sir C. G. (Pudsey and Otley) Pickthorn, K. W. M.
Assheton, R. Gledhill, G. Pilkington, R.
Astor, Hon. W. W. (Fulham, E.) Gluckstein, L. H. Ponsonby, Col. C. E.
Atholl, Duchess of Gower, Sir R. V. Pownall, Lt.-Col. Sir Assheton
Baldwin-Webb, Col. J. Gridley, Sir A. B. Radford, E. A.
Balfour, Capt. H. H. (Isle of Thaner) Grimston, R. V. Ramsbotham, H.
Balniel, Lord Gritten, W. G. Howard Rathbone, J. R. (Bodmin)
Barrie, Sir C. C. Guest, Maj. Hon. O. (C'mb'rw'll, N W) Rayner, Major R. H.
Bernays, R. H. Gunston, Capt. Sir D. W. Reid, J. S. C. (Hillhead)
Bird, Sir R. B. Hacking, Rt. Hon. D. H. Reid, W. Allan (Derby)
Boulton, W. W. Harbord, A. Robinson, J. R, (Blackpool)
Boyce, H. Leslie Haslam, Henry (Horncastle) Ropner, Colonel L.
Braithwaite, Major A. N. Haslam, Sir J. (Bolton) Ross Taylor, W. (Woodbridge)
Briscoe, Capt. R. G. Heilgers, Captain F F A. Rowlands, G.
Broadbridge, Sir G. T. Hely-Hutchinson, M. R. Royds, Admiral Sir P. M. R.
Brocklebank, Sir Edmund Hepburn, P. G. T. Buchan- Rugglcs-Brise, Colonel Sir E. A.
Brown, Col. D. C. (Hexham) Hepworth, J. Russell, Sir Alexander
Bull, B. B. Herbert, Capt. Sir S. (Abbey) Salmon, Sir I.
Butler, R. A. Holdsworth, H. Samuel, M. R. A.
Campbell, Sir E. T. Holmes, J. S. Sandys, E. D.
Carver, Major W. H. Hope, Captain Hon. A. O. J. Sassoon, Rt. Hon. Sir P.
Castlereagh, Viscount Hudson, Capt. A. U. M. (Hack., N.) Scott, Lord William
Cazalet, Thelma (Islington, E.) Hume, Sir G. H. Selley, H. R.
Channon, H. Hurd, Sir P. A. Shakespeare, G. H.
Clarke, Colonel R. S. (E. Grinstead) Hutchinson, G. C. Shaw, Major P. S. (Wavertree)
Clarry, Sir Reginald Inskip, Rt. Hon. Sir T. W. H. Shaw, Captain W. T. (Forfar)
Colman, N. C. D. James, Wing-Commander A. W. H. Shepperson, Sir E. W.
Colville, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. D. J. Jones, Sir G. W. H. (S'k N'w'gt'n) Shute, Colonel Sir J. J.
Cook, Sir T. R. A. M. (Norfolk N.) Jones, L. (Swansea W.) Smith, Bracewell (Dulwich)
Cooke, J. D. (Hammersmith, S.) Keeling, E. H. Smith, Sir R. W. (Aberdeen)
Cooper, Rt. Hn. T. M. (E'nburgh, W.) Kerr, J. Graham (Scottish Univs.) Spears, Brigadier-General E. L.
Courtauld, Major J. S. Latham, Sir P. Spens, W. P.
Cox, H. B. Trevor Leighton, Major B. E. P. Stanley, Rt. Hon. Lord (Fylde)
Craven-Ellis, W Liddall, W. S. Stourton, Major Hon. J. J.
Crookshank, Capt. H. F. C Llewellin, Colonel J. J. Strauss, E. A. (Southwark, N.)
Croom-Jonnson, R. P. Lloyd, G. W. Sueter, Rear-Admiral Sir M. F.
Cross, R. H. Loftus, P. C. Tasker, Sir R. I.
Cruddas, Col. B. Lyons, A. M. Tate, Mavis C.
Culverwell, C. T. Mabane, W. (Huddersfield) Thomas, J. P. L.
Davies, C. (Montgomery) MacAndrew, Colonel Sir C. G. Thomson, Sir J. D. W.
Davies, Major Sir G. F. (Yeovil) McCorquodale, M. S. Titchfield. Marques of
Denman, Hon. R. D. MacDonald, Rt. Hon. M. (Ross) Tryon, Major Rt. Hon. G. C.
Denville, Alfred MacDonald, Sir Murdoch (Inverness) Wallace, Capt. Rt. Hon. Euan
Doland, G. F. Macdonald, Capt. P. (Isle of Wight) Ward, Lieut.-Col. Sir A. L. (Hull)
Duckworth, W. R. (Moss Side) McKie, J. H. Warrender, Sir V.
Dugdale, Captain T. L. Macquisten, F. A. Waterhouse, Captain C.
Duggan, H. J. Maitland, A. Watt, Major G. S. Harvie
Duncan, J. A. L. Margesson, Capt. Rt. Hon. H. D. R. Wayland, Sir W. A
Eastwood, J. F. Markham, S. F. Wells, S. R.
Eckersley, P. T. Maxwell, Hon. S. A. Whiteley, Major J. P. (Buckingham)
Edmondson, Major Sir J Mayhew, Lt.-Col. J. Williams, H. G. (Croydon, S.)
Elliot, Rt. Hon. W. E. Meller, Sir R. J. (Mitcham) Willoughby de Eresby, Lord
Ellis, Sir G. Mellor, Sir J. S. P. (Tamworth) Winterton, Rt. Hon. Earl
Elliston, Capt. G. S. Morrison, G. A. (Scottish Univ's.) Womersley, Sir W. J.
Emery, J. F. Morrison, Rt. Hon. W. S. (Cirencester) Wood, Rt. Hon. Sir Kingsley
Errington, E. Muirhead, Lt.-Col A. J. Wragg, H.
Erskine-Hill, A. G. Munro, P.
Evans, Capt. A. (Cardiff, S.) Neven-Spence, Major B. H. H. TELLERS FOR THE NOES.—
Fildes, Sir H. Nicholson, G. (Farnham) Lieut.-Colonel Kerr and Major
Findlay, Sir E. O'Connor, Sir Terence J. Herbert.
Fleming, E. L. O'Neill, Rt. Hon. Sir Hugh
Division No. 179. AYES. 11.12 p.m.
Adams, D. (Consett) Grenfell, D. R. Muff, G.
Adams, D. M. (Poplar, S.) Griffith, F. Kingsley (M'ddl'sbro, W.) Noel-Baker, P. J.
Adamson, W. M. Griffiths, G. A. (Hemsworth) Oliver, G. H.
Alexander, Rt. Hon. A. V. (H'lsbr.) Griffiths, J. (Llanelly) Paling, W.
Amman, C. G. Groves, T. E. Parkinson, J. A.
Anderson, F. (Whitehaven) Guest, Dr. L. H. (Islington, N.) Pearson, A.
Aske, Sir R. W. Hall, G. H, (Aberdare) Pethick-Lawrence, Rt. Hon. F. W.
Attlee, Rt. Hon. C. R. Hall, J. H. (Whitechapel) Price, M. P.
Banfield, J. W. Hardie, Agnes Pritt, D. N.
Barnes, A. J. Harris, Sir P. A. Quibell, D. J. K.
Barr, J. Hayday, A. Ridley, G.
Bellenger, F. J. Henderson, A. (Kingswinford) Riley, B.
Benn, Rt. Hon. W. W. Henderson, J. (Ardwick) Ritson, J.
Benson G. Henderson, T. (Tradeston) Roberts, Rt. Hon. F. O. (W. Brom.)
Bevan, A. Hills, A. (Pontefract) Robinson, W. A. (St. Helens)
Broad, F. A. Holdsworth, H. Salter, Dr. A. (Bermondsey)
Bromfield, W. Hollins, A. Seely, Sir H. M.
Brown, C. (Mansfield) Hopkin, D. Sexton, T. M.
Brown, Rt. Hon. J. (S. Ayrshire) Jagger, J. Silverman, S. S.
Buchanan, G. Jenkins, Sir W. (Neath) Simpson, F. B.
Burke, W. A. John, W. Smith, Ben (Rotherhithe)
Cape, T. Johnston, Rt. Hon. T. Smith, E. (Stoke)
Cassells, T. Jones, A. C. (Shipley) Smith, T. (Normanton)
Chater, D. Jones, Morgan (Caerphilly) Sorensen, R. W.
Cluse, W. S. Kelly, W. T. Stephen, C.
Cocks, F. S. Kennedy, Rt. Hon. T. Stewart, W. J. (H'ght'n-le-Sp'ng)
Daggar, G. Kirby, B. V. Summerskill, Edith
Davidson, J. J. (Maryhill) Lansbury, Rt. Hon. G. Taylor, R. J. (Morpeth)
Davies, S. O. (Merthyr) Lathan, G. Thurtle, E.
Dunn, E. (Rother Valley) Lawson, J. J. Tinker, J. J.
Ede, J. C. Leach, W. Tomlinson, G.
Edwards, A. (Middlesbrough E.) Lee, F. Viant, S. P.
Edwards, Sir C. (Bedwellty) Leslie, J. R. Walkden, A. G.
Fletcher, Lt.-Comdr. R. T. H. Logan, D. G. Walker, J.
Foot, D. M. Lunn, W. Watkins, F. C.
Frankel, D. Macdonald, G. (Ince) Watson, W. McL.
Gallacher, W. McEntee, V. La T. Westwood, J.
Gardner, B. W. MacLaren, A. Wilkinson, Ellen
Garro Jones, G. M. Maclean, N. Williams, T. (Don Valley)
George, Megan Lloyd (Anglesey) Mathers, G. Windsor, W. (Hull, C.)
Gibson, R. (Greenock) Maxton, J. Woods, G. S. (Finsbury)
Graham, D. M. (Hamilton) Milner, Major J. Young, Sir R. (Newton)
Green, W. H. (Deptford) Montague, F.
Greenwood, Rt. Hon. A. Morrison, R. C. (Tottenham, N.) TELLERS FOR THE AYES.—
Mr. Charleton and Mr. Whlteley.
Acland-Troyte, Lt.-Col. G. J. Cooper, Rt. Hn. T. M. (E'nburgh, W.) Gluckatein, L. H.
Adams S. V. T. (Leeds, W.) Cox, H. B. Trevor Gower, Sir R. V.
Albery, Sir Irving Craven-Ellis, W. Gridley, Sir A. B.
Allen, Col. J. Sandeman (B'knhead) Crookshank, Capt. H. F. C. Gritten, W. J. Howard
Anderson, Rt. Hn. Sir J. (Sc'h Univ's) Croom-Johnson, R, P. Guest, Lieut.-Colonel H. (Drake)
Apsley, Lord Cross, R. H. Guest, Mai. Hon. O. (C'mb'rw'll, N.W.)
Assheton, R. Crowder, J. F. E. Hacking, Rt. Hon. D. H.
Astor, Hon. W. W. (Fulham, E.) Cruddas, Col. B. Hannon, Sir P. J. H.
Atholl, Duchess of Gulverwell, C. T. Harbord, A.
Baillie, Sir A. W. M. Davies, C. (Montgomery) Harvey, T. E. (Eng. Univ's.)
Balfour, Capt. H. H. (Isle of Thanet) Davies, Major Sir G. F. (Yeovll) Haslam, Sir J. (Bollon)
Balniel, Lord Denman, Hon. R, D. Heilgers, Captain F. F. A.
Barrie, Sir C. C. Denville, Alfred Hely-Hutchinson, M. R.
Bernays, R. H. Doland, G. F. Hepburn, P. G. T. Buchan-
Boulton, W. W. Duckworth, W. R. (Moss Side) Hepworth, J.
Boyce, H. Leslie Duggan, H. J. Herbert, Major J. A. (Monmouth)
Braithwaite, Major A. N. Duncan, J. A. L. Holmes, J. S.
Briscoe, Capt. R. G. Eastwood, J. F. Hope, Captain Hon. A. O. J.
Brooklebank, Sir Edmund Eckersley, P. T. Hudson, Capt. A. U. M. (Hack., N.)
Brown, Col. D. C. (Hexham) Edmondson, Major Sir J. Hume, Sir G. H.
Bull, B. B. Elliot, Rt. Hon. W. E. Hutchinson, G. C.
Butcher, H. W. Ellis, Sir G. Inskip, Rt. Hon. Sir T. W. H.
Butler, R. A. Elliston, Capt. G. S. James, Wing-Commandcr A. W. H.
Campbell, Sir E. T. Emery. J- F. Joel, D. J. B.
Cartland, J. R. H. Errington, E. Jones, Sir G. W. H. (S'k N'w'gt'n)
Carver, Major W. H. Erskine-Hill, A. G. Jones, L. (Swansea W.)
Castlereagh, Viscount Evans, Capt. A. (Cardiff, S.) Keeling, E. H.
Cazalet, Thelma (Islington, E.) Findlay, Sir E. Kerr, Colonel C. I. (Montrose)
Channon, H. Fleming, E. L. Kerr, J. Graham (Scottish Univs.)
Clarke, Colonel R. S. (E. Grinstead) Fox, Sir G. W. G. Latham, Sir P.
Clarry, Sir Reginald Fremantle, Sir F. E. Leighton, Major B. E. P.
Colman, N. C. D. Furness, S. N. Lennox-Boyd, A. T. L.
Colville, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. D. J. Fyfe, D. P. M. Llewellin, Colonel J. J.
Cook, Sir T. R. A. M. (Norfolk N.) Gibson, Sir C. G. (Pudsey and Otley) Lloyd, G. W.
Cooke, J. D. (Hammersmith, S.) Gledhill, G. Loftus, P. C.
Lyons, A. M. Radford, E. A. Storey, S.
Mabane, W. (Huddersfield) Raikes, H. V. A. M. Stourton, Major Hon. J. J.
McCorquodale, M. S. Ramsbotham, H. Strauss, E. A. (Southwark. N.)
MacDonald, Rt. Hon. M. (Ross) Rathbone, J. R. (Bodmin) Sueter, Rear-Admiral Sir M. F.
Macdonald, Capt. P. (Isle of Wight) Rayner, Major R. H. Taylor, Vice-Adm. E. A. (Padd., S.)
McKie, J. H. Reid, J. S. C. (Hillhead) Thomas, J. P. L.
Magnay, T. Reid, W. Allan (Derby) Thomson, Sir J. D. W.
Maitland, A. Robinson, J. R. (Blackpool) Titchfield, Marquess of
Margesson, Capt. Rt. Hon. H. D. R. Ropner, Colonel L. Tryon, Major Rt. Hon. G. C.
Markham, S. F. Ross Taylor, W. (Woodbridge) Wallace, Capt. Rt. Hon. Euan
Maxwell, Hon. S. A. Rowlands, G. Ward, Lieut.-Col. Sir A. L. (Hull)
Mayhew, Lt.-Col. J. Royds, Admiral Sir P. M. R. Ward, Irene M. B. (Wallsend)
Meller, Sir R. J. (Mitcham) Ruggles-Brise, Colonel Sir E. A. Warrender, Sir V.
Mellor, Sir J. S. P. (Tamworth) Russell, Sir Alexander Waterhouse, Captain C.
Morrison, G. A. (Scottish Univ's.) Salmon, Sir I. Watt, Major G. S. Harvie
Morrison, Rt. Hon. W. S. (Cirencester) Salt, E. W. Wayland, Sir W. A.
Muirhead, Lt.-Col. A. J. Samuel, M. R. A. Wells, S. R.
Munro, P. Sandys, E. D. Whiteley, Major J. P. (Buckingham)
Neven-Spence, Major B. H. H. Sassoon, Rt. Hon. Sir P. Williams, H. C. (Croydon, S.)
Nicholson, G. (Farnham) Scott, Lord William Willoughby de Eresby, Lord
O'Connor, Sir Terence J. Selley, H. R. Winterton, Rt. Hon. Earl
O'Neill, Rt. Hon. Sir Hugh Shakespeare, G. H. Womersley, Sir W. J.
Palmer, G. E. H. Shaw, Major P. S. (Wavertree) Wood, Rt. Hon. Sir Kingsley
Peat, C. U. Shepperson, Sir E. W. Wragg, H.
Petherick, M. Shuts, Colonel Sir J. J Wright, Wing-Commander J. A. C.
Pilkington, R. Smith, Bracewell (Dulwion)
Ponsonby, Col. C. E. Smith, Sir R. W. (Aberdeen) TELLERS FOR THE NOES.—
Pownall, Lt.-Col. Sir Assheton Spens, W. P. Captain Dugdale and Mr.
Procter, Major H. A. Stanley, Rt. Hon. Lord (Fylde) Grimston.