HC Deb 24 July 1936 vol 315 cc1015-7

Lords Amendment: In page 63, line 18, leave out such emoluments so long as they retain such benefices and insert: the emoluments to which they were respectively then entitled, so long as they respectively remain entitled to receive those emoluments or any part thereof.

Mr. RAMSBOTHAM

I beg to move, "That this House doth agree with the Lords in the said Amendment."

This is merely an Amendment to get over a technical difficulty which would arise on the occasion of the union of benefices.

Lords Amendment: In page 63, line 27, after "emoluments," insert "or to receive emoluments as 'members'."

Mr. RAMSBOTHAM

I beg to move, "That this House doth agree with the Lords in the said Amendment."

This Amendment is necessary to fit the case of corporations aggregate.

Lords Amendment: In page 63, line 29, leave out from the beginning to the end of line 33 and insert: the purpose of having available in relation to each corporation such amounts, calculated by reference to the value of the interests of those persons in those emoluments, as may be required for making such payments, to apply—

  1. (a) such part of the amount or amounts to be issued to Queen Anne's Bounty under paragraph (g) of subsection (4) of section twenty-five of this Act as they estimate to have been so issued in respect of tithe rentcharges held by them on account of the corporation; and
  2. (b) so much as may be necessary of the stock issued to Queen Anne's Bounty under paragraph 2 of Part I of the Third Schedule to this Act and held by them in trust for the corporation absolutely."

Mr. RAMSBOTHAM

I beg to move, "That this House doth agree with the Lords in the said Amendment."

In order to preserve the life interests connected with ecclesiastical corporations, it is intended to have recourse first to so much of the sum to be paid under Clause 25 (4) (g) (in respect of tithe rentcharge on non-agricultural land), as is received in respect of corporations and for the balance to make use of so much as may be required of the stock issued in respect of corporations. That was the intention of the House before the Bill went to another place and this Amendment carries that intention into effect.

Lords Amendment: In page 63, after the last words inserted, insert: 3. Power, in the case of any tithe rentcharge vested for an interest in fee simple in possession in Queen Anne's Bounty by the Tithe Act, 1925, which was formerly attached to an ecclesiastical corporation, to hold and dispose of any securities representing sums carried or to be carried to the sinking fund in relation to the rentcharge under section five of that Act, together with any securities representing investments of sums received for redemption or merger which are held on account of that corporation under the proviso to subsection (2) of section six of that Act for the like purposes as if the securities had been stock issued to Queen Anne's Bounty under paragraph 2 of Part I of the Third Schedule to this Act in respect of the extinguishment of the rentcharge.

Mr. RAMSBOTHAM

I beg to move, "That this House doth agree with the Lords in the said Amendment."

This Amendment is of a domestic character in respect of Queen Anne's Bounty to pool securities which they hold in respect of ecclesiastical corporations.

Lords Amendment: In page 64, line 18, after the first "and" insert "incumbents of."

Mr. RAMSBOTHAM

I beg to move, "That this House doth agree with the Lords in the said Amendment."

The reason for this Amendment is that the accounts are kept as between Queen Anne's Bounty and the incumbents, and not between the Bounty and the benefices.

Lords Amendment: In page 64, line 31, leave out from the first "the" to the end of line 32 and insert: Loans (Incumbents of Benefices) Amendment Act, 1918, and the Acts to be construed therewith; or.

Mr. RAMSBOTHAM

I beg to move, "That this House doth agree with the Lords in the said Amendment."

There have been several acts extending or amending the Clergy Residences Repair Act, 1776, and the new form of words comprised in this Amendment covers them all.