HC Deb 06 June 1932 vol 266 cc1661-2
Sir H. CAUTLEY

I beg to move, in page 43, line 11, to leave out the word "may," and to insert instead thereof the word "shall."

This Clause makes provision for regulations as to procedure. As it stands at present, the Clause imposes no obligation on the Minister to make regulations at all, though it is clearly intended that he should make them. If the House will look at the appropriate Schedule, the Fourth Schedule, it will be seen that it speaks there of— Matters in relation to which regulations shall be made, and effect to be secured there-by. I think that states briefly what I have to say on this Amendment, but I would remind the House that in the Act of 1825 there was, in Section 5, a provision that the Minister may make general provisions, which provisions shall take effect as part of every scheme. He made the provisions in the form, I think, of Standing Orders, but I forget exactly what they were called. I think this is a very unsatisfactory way of dealing with the matter, and I think it is essential to good management that the word "shall" should be put in here.

Sir JOHN WITHERS

I beg to second the Amendment.

The Bill without regulations would be very difficult indeed to interpret, and I therefore hope the Minister will accept the Amendment.

Mr. E. BROWN

I think there is some misapprehension here. I share the desire of the hon. and learned Gentleman, and if he looks at the Amendment lower on the Paper, he will see that in fact we propose to amend Sub-section (2) of this Clause by requiring that regulations shall be made under Sub-section (1). The object of the Mover and Seconder of the Amendment will be met by that Amendment.

Sir H. CAUTLEY

If the Minister tells me that his Amendment has the same effect as mine, I will ask leave to withdraw mine.

Sir H. YOUNG

Yes.

Amendment, by leave, withdrawn.

Mr. E. BROWN

I beg to move, in page 43, line 14, to leave out from the second word "orders," to the word "and," in line 16.

This Amendment and the next Amendment are to carry out what I have just explained.

Amendment agreed to.

Further Amendment made: In page 43, line 19, leave out Sub-section (2), and insert instead thereof the words: (2) Regulations shall be made under Sub-section (1) of this Section in relation to the matters specified in the headings of the several paragraphs of Part I of the Fourth Schedule to this Act, and those regulations shall, subject as provided in Part II of the said Schedule in relation to the matters specified in the heading thereof, be to the effect stated in those paragraphs respectively."—[Mr. E. Brown.]