HC Deb 01 July 1930 vol 240 cc1761-6
28. Mr. RAMSAY

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland if he is aware that the inhabitants of St. Kilda received no communications from the mainland from 18th October, 1929, till 16th February, 1930; and whether he made any representations to the Postmaster-General on the question of mails during that period, or did anything to ascertain the requirements of the islanders as regards their food supplies?

The UNDER-SECRETARY of STATE for SCOTLAND (Mr. Johnston)

I am informed that the answer to the first part of the question is in the affirmative, difficulties having arisen in arranging for the despatch of mails from time to time. These difficulties were the subject of some correspondence between the General Post Office and the Scottish Office. No representations were received from the islanders as to their food supplies and there was no reason to suppose that provision had not been made as in previous winters. As indicated in the report of the Department of Health of which I sent a copy to the hon. Member on 12th May, there was a letter from the nurse as recently as 12th February from which it appeared that with few exceptions the supplies of foodstuffs were adequate for the islanders' needs. I may add that in January attempts made to land Dr. Shearer of the Department of Health from the "Hesperus" had to be abandoned owing to the bad weather and sea conditions. Dr. Shearer was not able to make a landing until the middle of February. In May, the Department of Health chartered a trawler at Leverburgh and another landing was effected on 18th of that month, when the nurse's stores were replenished.

Sir B. FALLE

Were they not once in wireless communication?

Mr. WESTWOOD

Can the hon. Gentleman say, in connection with all these troubles at St. Kilda, whether any representations have ever been made by the Member of Parliament who represents that island?

Mr. RAMSAY

Was it possible for any representations to be made when no mails whatever could come from there?

Mr. MACPHERSON

Is it not a fact that the hon. Member who represents St. Kilda in this House visited that island not so long ago?

Mr. JOHNSTON

That is a fact.

Mr. RAMSAY

The hon. Member for Peebles (Mr. Westwood) has made disparaging remarks concerning me. May I ask if it is in order for him to make such remarks?

HON. MEMBERS

Withdraw!

Mr. SPEAKER

I am afraid there was so much noise that I did not hear the remark, but I am sure that if any disparaging remark has been made it will be withdrawn.

Mr. WESTWOOD

I have never made any disparaging remark in connection with any Member of this House. I submit that I am entitled to ask if any representations have been made by the individual directly responsible for representing that island?

Dr. HUNTER

On a point of Order. Was an insinuation not made? The hon. Member for the Western Isles (Mr. Ramsay) is highly respected by all his colleagues.

HON. MEMBERS

Withdraw!

Mr. SPEAKER

I am sure the hon. Member for Peebles will withdraw, as be said he did not intend to make any disparaging remark.

Mr. WESTWOOD

I have already said that.

HON. MEMBERS

Withdraw!

Mr. MACPHERSON

Is it not within the knowledge of the hon. Member who asked the supplementary question, and who is attached to the Scottish Office, that my hon. Friend the Member for the Western Isles has been unremitting in his attention to that island?

HON. MEMBERS

Withdraw!

Mr. SPEAKER

The hon. Member has already said that he did not mean anything disparaging.

HON. MEMBERS

Then why does he not withdraw?

Mr. RAMSAY

Mr. Speaker, I have a right to demand a withdrawal.

HON. MEMBERS

Withdraw!

Mr. SPEAKER

I am sure the hon. Member will withdraw any suggestion or insinuation.

HON. MEMBERS

Withdraw!

Mr. MACPHERSON

May I ask whether the hon. Member's question was not put in an insinuating way, and whether it did not carry with it an innuendo that the hon. Member for the Western Isles was not carrying out his duties?

Mr. SPEAKER

The hon. Member for Peebles has already stated that he did not intend to make any insinuation. He cannot say more.

Sir F. HALL

Why do you not withdraw like a man? [Interruption.] Do not sit there like a hyæna.

Sir N. GRATTAN-DOYLE

Is it not in the recollection of the House that the hon. Member made a distinct insinuation against the hon. Member for the Western Isles and that he has not withdrawn that insinuation or apologised for it? Is it not contrary to the Rules of the House for a Member who makes such insinuations not to apologise?

HON. MEMBERS

Withdraw!

Mr. SPEAKER

I have often ruled that no hon. Member should make remarks insinuating anything against another hon. Member. The hon. Member for Peebles will, perhaps, say again that he did not intend any insinuation. If there has been any misunderstanding, I am sure he will withdraw.

Sir HERBERT SAMUEL

There cannot possibly be any misunderstanding. There can be only one interpretation of the remark made by the hon. Member for Peebles. I am sure he will see that it is the desire of the whole House that he should withdraw it. The only course for him to take is to withdraw it.

Mr. WESTWOOD

I have nothing to add to what I have already said, which will be found recorded in the OFFICIAL REPORT to-morrow.

HON. MEMBERS

Withdraw!

Mr. MACPHERSON

Is it not a fact that the hon. Member for Peebles is attached to the Scottish Office and that therefore the innuendo and the insinuation in his question were particularly obnoxious?

HON. MEMBERS

Withdraw!

Mr. THURTLE

On a point of Order!

HON. MEMBERS

Withdraw!

Mr. SPEAKER

Does the hon. Member rise to a point of Order?

Mr. THURTLE

Yes, Sir.

HON. MEMBERS

Withdraw!

Mr. THURTLE

I wish to ask whether all this discord is not very damaging to the entente cordiale?

HON. MEMBERS

Withdraw!

Miss LEE

I beg to ask Question No. 29.

Mr. JOHNSTON

The question of—

HON. MEMBERS

Withdraw!

Sir B. FALLE

Will the right hon. Gentleman the Secretary of State for Scotland withdraw on behalf of his colleague?

HON. MEMBERS

Withdraw!

Mr. SPEAKER

Mr. Macpherson.

Mr. MACPHERSON

I beg leave to refuse to put any question until the hon. Member for Peebles has withdrawn his observation.

Miss LEE

On a point of Order. May I know whether my question has been answered or not? I could not hear. I think many Scottish Members opposite will realise that it is an important question.

Mr. SPEAKER

I understood the hon. Member for Peebles to say that he did not intend to make any insinuation.

HON. MEMBERS

Let him say so. Withdraw!

Mr. MOSES

He has already said so. Do not be so childish.

Mr. SPEAKER

If there is any misunderstanding the hon. Member for Peebles should say definitely that he did not intend any insinuation or, if what he said was misunderstood to mean an insinuation, that he withdraws it.

HON. MEMBERS

Withdraw!

Sir K. WOOD

Where is the Leader of the House?

Mr. WESTWOOD

I have made it quite clear that there was no insinuation of any kind against the hon. Member, and I have made it perfectly clear that I have a right to ask in this House if Members representing constituencies have themselves made representations on behalf of their constituencies.

HON. MEMBERS

Withdraw!

Mr. MACPHERSON

The hon. Member has merely repeated what he said. No Member of the House attached to the Scottish Office, as the hon. Member is, is entitled to make that insinuation.

Mr. SKELTON

May I ask whether hon. Members are entitled, by putting purely fishing questions, to make insinuations against other hon. Members? It is clear from his withdrawal that the hon. Member confesses he knew nothing about it. Is it not entirely out of order to put fishing questions to the detriment of another hon. Member?

Mr. SPEAKER

I have ruled on numberless occasions that any insinuations are out of order.

HON. MEMBERS

Withdraw!

Mr. SPEAKER

The hon. Member, to avoid any further remarks, would be much better advised, if he made any insinuations, to withdraw them.

Mr. WESTWOOD

If there may have been read into what I said any insinuations, then I willingly withdraw, but again I repeat I made no insinuations.

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