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Mr. A. HENDERSON

May I ask the Prime Minister a question of which I have given him private notice, as to whether he is now in a position to state the decision of the Government with regard to their naval building programme?

Mr. SPEAKER

I thought we were going to take a question about business. There is a statement to be made about this in answer to another question. Perhaps we may take the business question first.

Mr. HENDERSON

In deference to your wishes, Sir, may I ask the Prime Minister to state what business the Government propose to take next week?

The PRIME MINISTER

On Monday: Supply, Committee; Colonial Office Vote.

Tuesday: Supply, Committee; Vote for the Department of Mines until 8 o'clock, and then Navy Estimates, Vote 8, and the necessary Token Vote for the new construction programme.

Wednesday: Supply, Committee; Home Office Vote.

Thursday: Unemployment Insurance Bill, Report stage.

Friday: Unemployment Insurance Bill, Third Reading, and, if time permit, other Orders on the Paper.

Mr. HENDERSON

May I ask the right hon. Gentleman, arising out of one of the items in the business to be taken to-morrow—the sixth item, Telegraph [Money]—whether he will give us a little information as to what that involves?

The PRIME MINISTER

There will be an explanatory White Paper in the Vote Office by 7 o'clock this evening, I hope, but I may remind the right hon. Gentleman that the Bill which is described by this term is a Bill for giving the Post Office power to raise capital for telephone purposes, nothing else.

Captain BENN

Is it the intention to suspend the Eleven o'clock Rule on the-day the Navy Vote is taken?

The PRIME MINISTER

Yes, Sir.

Lieut. - Commander KENWORTHY

With reference to the business for Tuesday, do I understand that at 8.15 Vote 8 of the Navy Estimates will be taken, or are we going to discuss a Supplementary Estimate, or will there be another Supplementary Estimate afterwards? May wet have a little enlightenment?

The PRIME MINISTER

The Department of Mines Debate will close about 8 o'clock, and then will be taken Vote 8 of the Navy Estimates. The Eleven o'clock Rule will be suspended, and I imagine that the Token Vote, which will then be found necessary, will be taken after 11 o'clock.

Lieut. - Commander KENWORTHY

Does that mean that there will be no Supplementary Estimate for new ship construction?

The PRIME MINISTER

No; all that will emerge from my statement.

Captain BENN

Does it mean that the House is to be asked to discuss the new programme after 11 o'clock at night?

The PRIME MINISTER

The new programme can be discussed on Vote 8 of the Navy Estimates.

Motion made, and Question put. That the Proceedings on any Private Business set down for consideration at? quarter-past Eight o'Clock this evening, by direction of the Chairman of Ways and Means, be exempted from the provisions of the Standing Order (Sittings of the

House), and, notwithstanding anything in Standing Order No. 8, may be taken after half-past Nine of the Clock."—[The Prime Minister.]

The House divided: Ayes, 227; Noes, 100.

Division No. 317.] AYES. [3.55 p.m.
Agg-Gardner, Rt. Hon. Sir James T. Erskine, Lord (Somerset, Weston s. M.) MacRobert, Alexander M.
Ainsworth, Major Charles Erskine, James Malcolm Monteith Maitland, Sir Arthur D. Steel
Albery, Irving James Evans, Captain A. (Cardiff, South) Makins, Brigadier-General E.
Alexander, E. E. (Leyton) Falle, Sir Bertram G. Malone, Major P. B.
Allen, J. Sandeman (L'pool, W. Derby) Falls, Sir Charles F. Manningham-Buller, Sir Mervyn
Applin, Colonel R. V. K. Fanshawe, Commander G. D. Margesson, Captain O.
Ashley, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Wilfrid W. Fermoy, Lord Meller, R. J.
Ashmead-Bartlett, E. Fielden, E. B. Meyer, Sir Frank.
Astbury, Lieut.-Commander F. W. Fleming, O. P. Milne, J. S. Wardlaw.
Astor, Viscountess Forestier-Walker, Sir L. Mitchell, S. (Lanark, Lanark)
Atholl, Duchess of Fraser, Captain Ian Mitchell, W. Foot (Saffron Walden)
Baldwin, Rt. Hon. Stanley Frece, Sir Walter de Mitchell, Sir W. Lane (Streatham)
Balfour, George (Hampstead) Fremantle, Lieut.-Colonel Francis E. Monsell, Eyres, Com. Rt. Hon. B. M.
Balniel, Lord Gates, Percy Moore, Sir Newton J.
Barclay-Harvey, C. M. Gilmour, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Sir John Moore-Brabaron, Lieut.-Col. J. T. C.
Barnett, Major Sir Richard Goff, Sir Park Morrison H. (Wilts, Salisbury)
Barnston, Major Sir Harry Gower, Sir Robert Morrison-Bell, Sir Arthur Clive
Beamish. Captain T. P. H. Grace, John Murchison, C. K.
Beckett, Sir Gervase (Leeds, N.) Grant, J. A. Nail, Lieut.-Colonel Sir Joseph
Bellairs, Commander Carlyon W. Greene, W. P. Crawford Nelson, Sir Frank
Benn, Sir A. S. (Plymouth, Drake) Greenwood, Rt. Hn. Sir H.(W'th's'w, E) Newman, Sir R. H. S. D. L. (Exeter)
Bennett, A. J. Grotrian, H. Brent Nuttall, Ellis
Berry, Sir George Guinness, Rt. Hon. Walter E. O'Neill, Major Rt. Hon. Hugh
Betterton, Henry B. Gunston, Captain D. W. Oman, Sir Charles William C.
Birchall, Major J. Dearman Hall, Lieut.-Colonel Sir F. (Dulwich) Penny, Frederick George
Bird, Sir R. B. (Wolverhampton, W.) Hanbury, C. Percy, Lord Eustace (Hastings)
Blades, Sir George Rowland Harland, A. Perkins, Colonel E. K.
Blundell, F. N. Hartington, Marquess of Pelo, Basil E. (Devon, Barnstaple)
Bourne, Captain Robert Croft Harvey, G. (Lambeth, Kennington) Peto, G. (Somerset. Frome)
Boyd-Carpenter, Major A. Harvey, Major S. E. (Devon, Totnes) Piclou, D. P.
Brass, Captain W. Headlam, Lieut.-Colonel C. M. Power, Sir John Cecil
Briggs, J. Harold Heneage, Lieut.-Col. Arthur P. Pownall, Lieut.-Colonel Assheton
Brocklebank, C. E, R. Henn, Sir Sydney H, Price, Major C. W. M.
Brown, Brig.-Gen. H.C.(Berks, Newb'y) Hennlker-Hughan, Vice-Adm. Sir A. Radford, E. A.
Buckingham. Sir H. Herbert, Dennis (Hertford, Watford) Raine, W.
Bullock, Captain M. Herbert, S.(York, N.R., Scar. & Wh'by) Ramsden, E.
Burman, J. B. Hilton, Cecil Reid. D. D. (County Down
Burton, Colonel H. W. Hoare, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Sir S. J. G. Richardson, Sir P. W. (Sur'y, Ch'ts'y)
Butler. Sir Geoffrey Hogg. Rt. Hon. Sir D. (St. Marylebone) Roberts, E. H. G. (Flint)
Cadogan, Major Hon. Edward Holbrook, Sir Arthur Richard Russell, Alexander West (Tynemouth)
Cautley, Sir Henry S. Holt, Captain H. P. Samuel, A. M. (Surrey, Farnham)
Cayzer, Sir C. (Chester, City) Homan, C. W. J. Sandemun. A. Stewart
Cecil, Rt. Hon. Sir Evelyn (Aston) Hopkins, J. W. W. Sanders, Sir Robert A.
Cecil, Rt. Hon. Lord H. (Ox. Univ.) Hopkinson, A. (Lancaster, Mossley) Sandon, Lord
Chadwick. Sir Robert Burton Horlick, Lieut.-Colonel J. N. Shaw. Capt. W. W. (Wilts, Westb'y)
Chamberlain, Rt. Hon. N. (Ladywood) Hudson, Capt. A. U. M.(Hackney. N.) Sheffield, Sir Berkeley
Chapman, Sir S. Hudson, R. S. (Cumberl'nd, Whiteh'n) Shepperson. E. W.
Christie, J. A. Huntingfield, Lord Simms, Dr. John M. (Co. Down)
Churchill, Rt. Hon. Winston Spencer Hurd, Percy A. Skelton. A. N.
Clarry, Reginald George Hurst, Gerald B. Slaney, Major P. Kenyon
Clayton, G. C. Hutchison, G. A. Clark (Midl'n & p'bl's) Somerville, A. A. (Windsor)
Cobb, Sir Cyril Jackson, Sir H. (Wandsworth, Cen'l) spender Clay, Colonel H.
Cochrane, Commander Hon. A. D. James, Lieut.-Colonel Hon. Cuthbert Sprot, Sir Alexander
Cockerill, Brigadier-General G. K. Joynson-Hicks, Rt. Hon. Sir William Stanley, Hon O. F. G. (Westm'eland)
Conway, Sir W. Martin Kennedy, A. R. (Preston) Stanley, col. Hon. G. F.(Will'sden,E.)
Cope, Major William Kidd, J. (Linlithgow) Stott. Lieut.-Colonel W. H.
Couper, J. B. King, Captain Henry Douglas Strickland. Sir Gerald
Craig, Ernest (Chester, Crewe) Kinloch-Cooke, Sir Clement Stuart, Crichton-. Lord C.
Cralk, Rt. Hon. Sir Henry Knox, Sir Alfred Styles, Captain H. Walter
Crook, C. W. Lamb, J. Q. Sugden, Sir Wilfrid
Crookshank, Col. C. de W. (Berwick) Lane-Fox, Colonel George R. Thomson, F. C. (Aberdeen, S.I
Crookshank, Cpt. H. (Lindsey, Gainsbro) Lister, Cunliffe-, Rt. Hon. Sir Philip Thomson, Rt. Hon. Sir W. Mitchell-
Curzon, Captain Viscount Locker-Lampson, G. (Wood Green) Tinne, J. A.
Davidson, J. (Hertf'd, Hemel Hempsfd) Loder, J. de V. Titchfield, Major the Marquess of
Davies, Maj. Geo. F.(Somerset. Yeovil) Luce, Major-Gen. Sir Richard Harm n Tryon, Rt. Hon. George Clement
Dawson, Sir Philip Lumley, L. R. Turton, Edmund Russborough
Dean, Arthur Wellesley MacAndrew, Charles Glen Vaughan Morgan, Col. K. P.
Dixon, Captain Rt. Hon. H. McDonnell, Colonel Hon. Angus Ward, Lt.-Col. A.L.(Kingston-on-Hull)
Doyle, Sir N. Grattan Macintyre, Ian Warner, Brigadier-General W. W.
Drewe, C. McLean, Major A. Warrender, Sir Victor
Elliot, Captain Walter E. Macmillan, Captain H. Waterhouse, Captain Charles
Elveden, Viscount McNeill, Rt. Hon. Ronald John Watts, Dr. T.
Wells, S. R. Wilson, R. R. (Stafford, Lichfield) Wood, Sir S. Hill- (High Peak)
White, Lieut.-Colonel G. Dairymple Windsor-Clive, Lieut.-Colonel George
Williams, Com. C. (Devon, Torquay) Wise, Sir Fredric TELLERS FOR THE AYES.—
Williams, Herbert G. (Reading) Wood, Rt. Hon. E. (York, W. R., Ripon) Colonel Gibbs and Major Hennessy.
Wilson, M. J. (York, N. R., Richm'd) Wood, E. (Chest'r, Stalyb'ge & Hyde)
NOES.
Alexander, A. V. (Sheffield, Hillsbro') Henderson, Right Hon. A. (Burnley) Shaw, Rt. Hon. Thomas (Preston)
Ammon, Charles George Henderson, T. (Glasgow) Sitch, Charles H.
Attlee, Clement Richard Hore-Belisha, Major Leslie Smith, Ben (Bermondsey, Rotherhithe)
Baker, Walter Hutchison, Sir Robert (Montrose) Smith, H. B. Lees (Keighley)
Barker, G. (Monmouth, Abertillery) John, William (Rhondda, West) Smith, Rennie (Penistone)
Barnes, A. Jones, Henry Haydn (Merioneth) Snell, Harry
Barr, J. Jones, J. J, (West Ham, Silvertown) Stamford, T. W.
Batey, Joseph Jones, Morgan (Caerphilly) Stephen, Campbell
Beckett, John (Gateshead) Jones, T. I. Mardy (Pontypridd) Sutton, J. E.
Benn, Captain Wedgwood (Leith) Kelly, W. T. Taylor, R. A.
Broad, F. A. Kennedy, T. Thomas, Rt. Hon. James H. (Derby)
Brown, James (Ayr and Bute) Kenworthy, Lt.-Com. Hon. Joseph M. Thomson, Trevelyan (Middlesbro, W.)
Buchanan, G. Kenyon, Barnet Thorne, G. R. (Wolverhampton, E.)
Cape, Thomas Kirkwood, D. Thorne, W. (West Ham, Plaistow)
Compton, Joseph Lansbury, George Thurtle, E.
Connolly, M. Lee, F. Tinker, John Joseph
Davies, Ellis (Denbigh, Denbigh) Livingstone, A. M. Trevelyan, Rt. Hon. C. P.
Davies, Rhys John (Westhoughton) Lowth, T. Varley, Frank B.
Davison, J. E. (Smethwick) March, S. Viant, S. P.
Day, Colonel Harry Maxton, James Wallhead, Richard C.
Dunnico, H. Mitchell, E. Rosslyn (Paisley) Warne, G. H.
Fisher, Rt. Hon. Herbert A. L. Montague, Frederick Watts-Morgan, Lt. Col. D. (Rhondda)
Garro-Jones, Captain G. M. Morris, R. H. Webb, Rt. Hon. Sidney
George, Rt. Hon. David Lloyd Morrison, R. C. (Tottenham, N.) Wheatley, Rt. Hon. J.
Gibbins, Joseph Oliver, George Harold Wiggins, William Martin
Gillett, George M. Paling, W. Williams, Dr. J. H. (Llanelly)
Graham, Rt. Hon. Wm. (Edin., Cent.) Pethick-Lawrence, F. W. Williams, T. (York, Don Valley)
Greenwood, A. (Nelson and Colne) Ponsonby, Arthur Wilson, R. J. (Jarrow)
Grenfell, D. Ft. (Glamorgan) Potts, John S. Wright, W.
Groves, T. Purcell, A. A. Young, Robert (Lancaster, Newton)
Grundy, T. W. Robertson, J. (Lanark, Bothwell)
Hall, G. H. (Merthyr Tydvil) Robinson, W. C. (Yorks, W.R., Elland) TELLERS FOR THE NOES.—
Hardle, George D. Rose, Frank H. Mr. Charles Edwards and Mr.
Harris, Percy A. Salter, Dr. Alfred Hayes.
Hartshorn, Rt. Hon. Vernon Scrymgeour, E.

Lords Amendments down to page 6, line 2, agreed to.