HC Deb 01 December 1925 vol 188 cc2048-53
Mr. W. M. ADAMSON

I wish to put before you, Sir, a point of Order in relation to a Private Notice Question which I sent to the Minister of Pensions this morning, after notifying Mr. Speaker in accordance with the regulations. I have had a letter from Mr. Speaker, who says he cannot accept this question, because it deals with a private case. The case was one of a man—[HON. MEMBERS: "Order!"] I am not going into the merits of the case, except to say that I notified the Minister of Pensions of the case a month ago. I received a letter to-day that he could not give me a reply, and I want to know when I can have information upon this case? [HON. MEMBERS: "Order!"] A man in the asylum had his wife's pension reduced! [HON. MEMBERS: "Order!"]

Mr. HARDIE

Pinching from the Church ex-service man and giving it to the landlords.

Mr. DEPUTY-SPEAKER

The hon. Member has been going into the merits of the case. The rule is that, to get an answer, a question must be put down two days before the answer is required. It is within the discretion of Mr. Speaker, if he consider a question one of urgency, to allow it to be asked after a Quarter to Four on any day, on notice being given to the Minister. Mr. Speaker did consider this question, and was not of opinion that it was of sufficient urgency or importance to justify him in relaxing the ordinary rules.

Mr. ADAMSON

I want to be fair to you, Mr. Deputy-Speaker. I have no wish to contest your ruling, but I demand from the Minister of Pensions an answer as to why he has forced this man into an asylum-[HON. MEMBERS: "Order!"]- and reduced his wife's pension by 3s., which I say is a disgrace. I want to ask-[Hon. MEMBERS: "Order!"]-I am going to see that this House-[HON. MEMBERS: "Name!"]-contrary to the constitution of this country and by your action these things are going on-[Interruption]-I want a reply to this question.

Mr. DEPUTY-SPEAKER

The hon. Member must resume his seat.

HON. MEMBERS

Name!

Mr. ADAMSON (who remained standing)

I want this case gone into now, because the Minister of Pensions has held it up for a month. [HON. MEMBERS: "Name!"] I am going to state this case now, and I am entitled to bring it forward here. I am going to ask leave to move the Adjournment of the House in order to have this matter gone into immediately, and I ask you—

HON. MEMBERS

Name!

Mr. DEPUTY-SPEAKER

I name the hon. Member for the Cannock Division (Mr. W. M. Adamson) for persistently disregarding the authority of the Chair.

Mr. CHURCHILL

I beg to move, "That Mr. William Murdoch Adamson, the Member for the Cannock Division of Staffordshire, be suspended from the service of the House."

Question put.

The House divided: Ayes, 260; Noes, 91.

Division No. 432.] AYES. [3.54 p.m.
Acland-Troyte, Lieut.-Colonel Chadwick, Sir Robert Burton Fenby, T. D.
Agg-Gardner, Rt. Hon. Sir James T. Chamberlain, Rt. Hon. N. (Ladywood) Fermoy, Lord
Albery, Irving James Chapman, Sir S. Fielden, E. B.
Alexander. E. E. (Leyton) Charteris, Brigadier-General J. Fisher, Rt. Hon. Herbert A. L.
Alton, J. Sandeman (L'pool, W. Derby) Chilcott, sir Warden Forrest, W.
Applin, Colonel R. V. K. Christie, J. A. Foxcroft, Captain C. T.
Ashley, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Wilfrid W. Churchill, Rt. Hon. Winston Spencer Fraser, Captain Ian
Astbury, Lieut.-Commander F. W. Churchman, Sir Arthur C. Frece, Sir Walter de
Balfour, George (Hampstead) Clarry, Reginald George Fremantle, Lieut.-Colonel Francis E.
Banks, Reginald Mitchell Clayton, G. c. Gadie, Lieut.-Colonel Anthony
Barclay-Harvey, C. M, Cohen, Major J. Brunei Ganzoni, Sir John
Beamish, Captain T. P. M. Collins, Sir Godfrey (Greenock) Gates, Percy
Beckett, Sir Gervase (Leeds, N.) Cooper, A. Duff Gault, Lieut.-Col. Andrew Hamilton
Bellairs, Commander Carlyon W. Cope, Major William Gee, Captain R.
Benn, Sir A. S. (Plymouth, Drake) Couper, J. B. Gilmour, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Sir John
Berry, Sir George Courtauld, Major J. S. Glyn, Major R. G. C.
Bethell, A. Courthope, Lieut.-Col. Sir George L. Goff, Sir Park
Birchall, Major J. Dearman Craik, Rt. Hon. Sir Henry Grace, John
Bird, Sir R. B. (Wolverhampton, W.) Crawfurd, H. E. Grant, J. A.
Boothby, R. J. G. Croft, Brigadier-General Sir H. Grattan-Doyle, Sir N.
Bourne, Captain Robert Croft Crooke, J. Smedley (Deritend) Greene, W. P. Crawford
Briant, Frank Crookshank, Col. C. de W. (Berwick) Greenwood, Rt. Hn. Sir H.(W'th's'w, E)
Bridgeman, Rt. Hon. William Clive Curzon, Captain Viscount Gretton, Colonel John
Briggs, J. Harold Davidson, J.(Hertl'd, Hemel Hempst'd) Grotrian, H. Brent
Briscoe, Richard George Davies, Dr. Vernon Gunston, Captain D. W.
Brocklebank. C. E. R. Davies, Ellis (Denbigh, Denbigh) Hacking, Captain Douglas H.
Brooke, Brigadier-General C. R. I. Davies, Sir Thomas (Cirencester) Hall. Capt. W. D'A. (Brecon & Rad.)
Broun-Lindsay, Major H. Davison, Sir W. H. (Kensington, S.) Hamilton, Sir R. (Orkney & Shetland)
Brown, Brig.-Gen. H.C.(Berks, Newb'y) Dean, Arthur Wellesley Hammersley, S. S.
Buckingham. Sir H. Dixey, A. C. Hanbury. C.
Bullock, Captain M. Drewe, C. Hannon. Patrick Joseph Henry
Burgoyne, Lieut.-Colonel Sir Alan Eden, Captain Anthony Harmsworth. Hon. E. C. (Kent)
Burman, J. B. Edmondson, Major A. J. Harrison. G. J. C.
Burton, Colonel H. W. Edwards, John H. (Accrington) Harvey, Major S. E. (Devon, Totnes)
Butler, Sir Geoffrey Erskine, Lord (Somerset, Weston-s.-M.) Haslam, Henry C.
Cadogan, Major Hon. Edward Erskine, James Malcolm Monteith Hawke, John Anthony
Caine, Gordon Hall Evans. Captain A. (Cardiff, South) Headlam, Lieut.-Colonel C. M.
Campbell, E. T. Fairfax, Captain J. G. Heneaqe, Lieut.-Colonel Arthur P.
Cautley, Sir Henry S. Falle, Sir Bertram G. Hennessy, Major J. R. G.
Cayzer, Sir C. (Chester, City) Fanshawe, Commander G. D. Herbert, S.(York, N. R., Scar. & Wh'by)
Hilton, Cecil Mond, Rt. Hon. Sir Alfred Smith, R. W. (Aberd'n & Kinc'dine, C.)
Hoare, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Sir S. J. G. Moore, Lieut.-Colonel T. C. R. (Ayr) Smith-Carington, Neville W.
Hogg, Rt. Hon. Sir D. (St. Marylebone) Morrison, H. Wilts, Salisbury, Smithers, Waldron
Holland, Sir Arthur Morrison-Bell, Sir Arthur Clive Somerville, A. A. (Windsor)
Hopkins, J. W. W. Murchison, C. K. Spender Clay, Colonel H.
Hopkinson, A. (Lancaster, Mossley) Nelson, Sir Frank Sprot, Sir Alexander
Horlick, Lieut.-Colonel J. N. Newman, Sir P. H. S. D. L. (Exeter) Stanley, Col. Hon. G.F. (Will'sden, E.)
Howard, Captain Hon. Donald Nicholson, Col. Rt. Hn. W. G.(Ptrsl'ld.) Stanley, Lord (Fyide)
Hudson, Capt. A. U. M. (Hackney, N.) Nuttall, Ellis Stanley, Hon. O. F. G. (Westm'eland)
Huntingfield, Lord Oman, Sir Charles William C. Steel, Major Samuel Strang
Hurd, Percy A Ormsby-Gore, Hon. William Stott, Lieut.-Colonel W. H.
Hurst, Gerald B. Owen, Major G. Streatfeild, Captain S. R.
Hutchison, G. A. Clark (Midl'n & P'bl's) Pease, William Edwin Stuart, Crichton-, Lord C.
Hutchison. Sir Robert (Montrose) Penny, Frederick George Sueter, Rear-Admiral Murray Fraser
Jackson, Sir H. (Wandsworth, Cen'l) Percy, Lord Eustace (Hastings) Templeton, W. P.
James, Lieut.-Colonel Hon. Cuthbert Peto, Basil E. (Devon, Barnstaple) Thompson, Luke (Sunderland)
Jephcott, A. R. Peto, G. (Somerset, Frome) Thomson, F. c. (Aberdeen, South)
Jones, Henry Haydn (Merioneth) Philipson, Mabel Thomson, Rt. Hon. Sir W. Mitchell-
Joynson-Hicks, Rt. Hon. Sir William Pielou, D. P. Thomson, Trevelyan (Middlesbro., W.)
Kennedy, A. R. (Preston) Plicher, G. Tinne, J. A.
Kidd, J. (Linlithgow) Pliditch, Sir Philip Titchfield, Major the Marquess of
Kindersley, Major G. M. Power, Sir John Cecil Turton, Edmund Russborough
Kinloch-Cooke, sir Clement Pownall, Lieut.-Colonel Assheton Wallace, Captain D. E.
Knox, Sir Alfred Preston, William Ward, Lt.-Col. A.L.(Kingston-on-Hull)
Lamb, J. Q. Radford, E. A. Warner, Brigadier-General W. W.
Lister, Cunliffe-, Rt. Hon. Sir Philip Raine, W. Warrender, Sir Victor
Locker-Lampson, G. (Wood Green) Ramsden, E. Waterhouse, Captain Charles
Locker-Lampson, Com. O. (Handsw'th) Reid, D. D. (County Down) Watson, Sir F. (Pudsey and Otley)
Loder, J. de V. Rentoul, G. S. Watts, Dr. T.
Luce, Maj.-Gen. Sir Richard Harman Rhys, Hon. C. A. U. Wells. S. R.
MacAndrew, Charles Glen Roberts, Samuel (Hereford, Hereford) White, Lieut.-Colonel G. Dairymple
McDonnell. Colonel Hon. Angus Ruggles-Brise, Major E. A. Wiggins, William Martin
Macintyre. Ian Runciman, Rt. Hon. Walter Williams, A. M. (Cornwall, Northern)
McLean, Major A. Russell, Alexander West- (Tynemouth) Williams, Com. C. (Devon, Torquay)
Macnaghten, Hon. Sir Malcolm Salmon, Major I. Williams, Herbert G. (Reading)
McNeill, Rt. Hon. Ronald John Samuel, A. M. (Surrey, Farnham) Wilson, R. R. (Stafford, Lichfield)
Macpherson, Rt. Hon. James I. Sandeman, A. Stewart Winby, Colonel L. P.
MacRobcrt, Alexander M. Sanders, Sir Robert A. Winterton, Rt. Hon. Earl
Malone, Major P. B. Sanderson, Sir Frank Wise, Sir Fredric
Margesson, Captain D. Sandon, Lord Wolmer, Viscount
Marriott, Sir J. A. R. Savery, S. S. Womersley, W. J.
Mason, Lieut. Col. Glyn K. Shaw, Lt.-Col. A. D. Mel.(Renfrew, W) Wood, E. (Chest'r, Stalyb'ge & Hyde-
Meller, R. J. Shaw, Capt. W. W. (Wilts. Westb'y) Wood, Sir Kingsley (Woolwich, W.)
Merriman, F. B. Shepperson, E. W. Woodcock, Colonel H. C.
Meyer, Sir Frank Simon, Rt. Hon. Sir John
Mitchell, S. (Lanark, Lanark) Sinclair, Major Sir A. (Caithness) TELLERS FOR THE AYES.—
Mitchell. W. Foot (Saffron Walden) Sinclair, Col.T.(Queen's Univ., Belfst.) Commander B. Eyres Monsell and
Mitchell. Sir w. Lane (Streatham) Skeiton, A. N. Major Sir Harry Barnston.
NOES.
Adamson, Rt. Hon. W. (Fife, West) Hall, G. H. (Merthyr Tydvil) Scrymgeour, E.
Alexander, A. V. (Sheffield, Hillsbro) Hardie, George D. Shiels, Dr. Drummond
Ammon, Charles George Hartshorn, Rt. Hon. Vernon Sitch, Charles H.
Attlee, Clement Richard Hayes, John Henry Smillie, Robert
Baker. J. (Wolverhampton, Bilston) Henderson, Rt. Hon. A. (Burnley) Smith, Rennie (Penistone)
Baker, Walter Henderson, T. (Glasgow) Snell, Harry
Barker, G. (Monmouth, Abertillery) Hirst, G. H. Spoor, Rt. Hon. Benjamin Charles
Barnes, A. Hirst, W. (Bradford, South) Stamford, T. W.
Barr, J. John, William (Rhondda, West) Stephen, Campbell
Batey, Joseph Jones, Morgan (Caerphilly) Stewart, J. (St. Rollox)
Beckett, John (Gateshead) Jones, T. I. Mardy (Pontypridd) Sutton, J. E.
Bowerman, Rt. Hon. Charles W. Kennedy, T. Taylor, R. A.
Bromfield, William Kirkwood, D. Thurtle, E.
Bromley, J. Lawson, John James Tinker, John Joseph
Buchanan, G. Lowth, T. Townend, A. E.
Cape, Thomas Lunn, William Viant, S. P.
Cluse, W. S. Mackinder, W. Wallhead, Richard C.
Compton, Joseph MacLaren, Andrew Warne, G. H.
Connolly, M. March, S. Watson, W. M. (Dunfermilne)
Dalton, Hugh Mitchell, E. Rosslyn (Paisley) Watts-Morgan, Lt.-Col. D. (Rhondda)
Davies, Evan (Ebbw Vale) Montague, Frederick Weir, L M.
Davies, Rhys John (Westhoughton) Morrison, R. C. (Tottenham, N.) Whiteley, W.
Day, Colonel Harry Murnin, H. Wilkinson, Ellen C.
Dennison, R. Naylor, T. E. Williams, Dr. J. H. (Llanelly)
Dunnico, H. Palin, John Henry Wilson, R. J. (Jarrow)
Edwards. C. (Monmouth, Bedwellty) Parkinson, John Allen (Wigan) Windsor, Walter
Gillett, George M. Potts, John S. Wright, W.
Greenall, T. Richardson, R. (Houghton.le-Spring)
Grenfell, D. R. (Glamorgan) Riley, Ben TELLERS FOR THE NOES. —
Groves, T. Robinson, W. C. (Yorks. W. R., Elland) Mr. George Lansbury and Mr.
Grundy, T. W, Saklatvala, Shapurji Kelly.
Hall, F. (York, w. R-, Normanton) Salter, Dr. Alfred

Question put, and agreed to.

Mr. DEPUTY-SPEAKER

I must now ask the hon. Member to withdraw.

Mr. WALLHEAD

That is a job you love.

Mr. W. M. ADAMSON

I accept the ruling of my fellow Members.

Whereupon, the hon. Member for the Cannock Division withdrew from the House.

Mr. DEPUTY-SPEAKER

The Home Secretary.

Sir W. JOYNSON-HICKS then proceeded to present a Bill.

Mr. BUCHANAN

Can I ask you a question on a point of Order?

Mr. DEPUTY-SPEAKER

No, I have called upon the Home Secretary.

Mr. BUCHANAN rose

Mr. DEPUTY-SPEAKER

The hon. Member must resume his seat, and raise his point at some other time.

Mr. BUCHANAN

Am I not entitled, on a point of Order, to raise a question?

Mr. DEPUTY-SPEAKER

Dr. Salter.

Dr. SALTER then proceeded to present a Bill.

Mr. BECKETT

Do we understand that with this pack of howling dogs we are not entitled—[Interruption.] We do not mind the Chair, but we do object to—[Interruption.]

Captain GEE

rose

Mr. DEPUTY-SPEAKER

Captain Wedgwood Benn.

Captain GEE

On a point of Order— [Interruption.]