HC Deb 23 July 1922 vol 155 cc1618-9

Where an officer or servant transfers from the service of one local authority who have adopted this Act, with the consent of that authority, to the service of another local authority who have adopted this Act, within six months of leaving the service of the first-mentioned authority, the first-mentioned local authority, shall pay out of the superannuation fund to the local authority to whom the officer or servant so transfers, a transfer value ascertained in accordance with Rules made for the purpose by the Minister of Health, and in that case an officer or servant shall be entitled to reckon contributing service under the first-mentioned local authority: Provided that any officer or servant may appeal to the Minister against the refusal of a local authority to give their consent to any such transfer, and the Minister, after consulting the local authority, may give his consent, which shall he equivalent to the first-mentioned local authority,

Amendment made:

Leave out the words reckon contributing service under the first-mentioned local authority,

and insert instead thereof the words such rights in respect of service before the date of transfer as though such service had been with the local authority to whom he has transferred."—[Sir.A. Mond.]

Amendment proposed:

At the end of the Clause to insert new Sub-sections— (2) Where an officer or servant transfers from the service of a local authority who have not adopted this Act to the service of a local authority who have adopted this Act within six months of leaving the service of the first-mentioned authority, he shall, if he pays in lieu of transfer value a sum or sums to be ascertained in accordance with Rules to he made by the Minister, he entitled to reckon service with that authority in whole or in part in accordance with the amount of the sum so paid. (3) No service with another local authority shall be reckoned under this Section unless the officer or servant transferring has within six months after the transfer satisfied the local authority to whom he transfers that he has been in the service of another authority or authorities."—[Sir A. Mond.]

Sir F. BANBURY

There ought to be some limit of age inserted here. The pensionable age is 60. I feel sure it is not the intention to allow a man to come in under a scheme at 59, and, by paying a small sum, to be able to qualify for a pension. My recollection of superannuation schemes is that a man over a certain age is not allowed to come in.

Sir H. NIELD

My right hon. Friend should have realised that this is in the interests of the fund. Here is a man who has had the misfortune to be the servant of an authority which has no fund, and he is selected for appointment under an authority which has a fund. Whatever his age may be, the question will be what was the length of his service with the former authority? When you have ascertained the number of years he, would have subscribed if the former authority had had a fund, he is called upon to pay into the new fund not merely the 5 per cent. which he would have paid had he been the servant of the new authority all the time, but he is bound to shoulder the additional 5 per cent. which his old authority ought to have paid if it had had a fund.

Amendment agreed to.