HC Deb 05 August 1919 vol 119 cc180-3

May I ask the Leader of the House what Bill he proposes to take after eleven o'clock to-night, and particularly what he proposes to take after nine o'clock? Will it be either the Ministries and Secretaries Bill or the War-Emergency Laws (Continuance) Bill?


We only hope to take the first two Orders to-day. We should like to proceed with the Ministries and Secretaries Bill if we have an opportunity after nine o'clock.


Is the right hon. Gentleman aware of the great interest taken in the Ministries and Secretaires Bill? I think we should be given an opportunity of raising questions relating to the Prime Minister and the War Cabinet.


Does the right hon. Gentleman intend to take more than one stage of any Bill after eleven o'clock?


Not to-night. I think we had better judge of the form the discussion is likely to take after we come to the Bill. I am sure my right hon. Friend and the House will realise that it is very important, if we can, to push on these Committees on account of the Adjournment.

Lieut.-Colonel GUINNESS

Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that the Ministries and Secretaries Bill is the second Order?


I said we would take the first two Orders, and I would take the Ministries and Secretaries Bill after nine o'clock.


I would like to know whether the Government intends to issue any Paper explanatory of the Welsh Church Tenporalities Bill, and, if so, when will it be issued?


Such a Memorandum has been prepared, and the delay is due to difficulties of printing. I think it will be available this afternoon, or, at any rate, by to-morrow.

Colonel ASHLEY

Are we to distinctly understand that the War Emergency Laws (Continuance) Bill is not to be taken to-night? If that be so, will the right hon. Gentleman say when it is going to be taken, because a good many hon. Members attach great interest to it?


It is not going to be taken to night, but I cannot say now when it will be taken.

Lieut.-Colonel MURRAY

May I put a point to you, Mr. Speaker, with reference to the Forestry Bill? A Report has been issued which is largely founded upon, the Report of a Sub-committee of the Reconstruction Committee. I asked in the Vote Office this morning whether I could obtain a copy of that Report for 1917, and there was no such Report in the Vote Office. 1 wish to ask whether on a similar occasion in the future it will be possible to obtain such a Report in regard to a question of this kind before the House is asked to consider it?


If the hon. and gallant Gentleman had given me notice, I would have seen that copies were there. But it is impossible to know what hon. Members may want, and it is not practicable to keep

all documents in the Vote Office, which is very small. They are, however, all kept in the Sale Office, and if the hon. and gallant Member will go down to that office, which is only a few steps further, he will be able to get a copy.

Captain W. BENN

There are thirteen pages of the Schedule of the War Emergency Laws (Continuance) Bill relating to War enactments which it is proposed to continue. Would the right hon. Gentleman consider the possibility of publishing a Paper, so that hon. Members may know what are these enactments?


I will consider that suggestion with my right hon. Friend who has prepared the Bill.

Motion made, and Question put, That the Proceedings on Government Business be exempted at this day's Sitting from the provisions of the Standing Order (Sitting of the House)."—[Mr. Bonar Law]

The House divided: Ayes, 224; Noes, 50.

Division No. 83.] AYES. [3.56 p.m.
Adair, Rear-Admiral Cooper, Sir Richard Ashmole Hacking, Captain D. H.
Adkins, Sir W. Ryland D. Coote, Colin R. (Isle of Ely) Hall, Lieut.-Col. Sir Fred. (Dulwich)
Agg-Gardner, Sir James Tynte Cope, Major W. (Glamorgan) Harmsworth, Cecil B. (Luton, Beds.)
Ainsworth, Captain c. Courthope, Major George Loyd Harris, Sir H. P. (Paddington, S.)
Astor, Major Hon. Waldort Cowan, D. M. (Scottish University) Henderson, Major V. L,
Atkey, A. R. Cowan, Sir H. (Aberdeen and Kinc.) Hennessy, Major G.
Bagley, Captain E. A. Craig, Col. Sir James (Down, Mid.) Henry, Danis S. (Londonderry, S.)
Baird, John Lawrence Craig, Lt.-Com. N. (Isle of Thanet) Herbert, Col. Hon. A. (Yeovil)
Baldwin, Stanley Craik, Right Hon. Sir Henry Herbert, Denniss (Hertford)
Barnes, Rt. Hon. G. N. (Gorbals) Curzon, Commander Viscount Hewart, Rt. Hon. Sir Gordon
Barnston, Major Harry Davies, Sir Joseph (Crewe) Hinds, John
Barrand, A. R. Davies, T. (Cirencester) Hoare, Lt.-Col. Sir Samuel J. G.
Bellairs, Com. Carlyon W. Davies, Sir W. Howell (Bristol, S.) Hope, Harry (Stirling)
Benn, Sir Arthur S. (Plymouth) Davies, M. Vaughan- (Cardigan) Hope, James Fitzalan (Sheffield)
Bennett, T. J. Dawes, J. A. Hope, Lt.-Col. Sir J. (Midlothian)
Bentinck, Lt. Col. Lord H. Cavendish Dennis, J. W. Hopkins, J. W. W.
Betterton, H. B. Doyle, N. Grattan Hopkinson, Austin (Mossley)
Birchall, Major J. D. Du Pre, Colonel W. B. Houston, Robert Paterson
Bird, Alfred Edge, Captain William Hughes, Spencer Leigh
Blair, Major Reginald Edwards, Major J. (Aberavon) Hunter, Gen. Sir A. (Lancaster)
Blake, Sir Francis Douglas Eyres-Monsell, Commander Jameson, Major J. G.
Borwick, Major G. O. Falcon, Captain M. Jesson, C.
Boscawen, Sir Arthur Griffith- Falle, Major Sir Bertram Godfray Jodrell, N. P.
Bowles. Col. H. F. Farquharson, Major A. C. Johnstone, J.
Bowyer, Captain G. W. E. Fisher, Rt. Hon. Herbert A. L. Jones, G. W. H. (Stoke Newington)
Boyd-Carpenter, Major A. FitzRoy, Capt. Hon. Edward A. Jones, Henry Haydn (Merioneth)
Bridgeman, William Clive Flannery, Sir J. Fortescue Jones, J. Towyn (Carmarthen)
Buchanan, Lieut.-Col. A. L. H. Forestier-Walker, L. Jones, William Kennedy (Hornsey)
Burdon, Colonel Rowland Forster, Rt. Hon. H. W. Kelly, Major Fred (Rotherham)
Carr, W. T. Foxcroft, Captain C. Kidd, James
Carter, R. A. D. (Manchester) France, Gerald Ashburner Kinloch-Cooke, Sir Clement
Casey, T. W. Ganzoni, Captain F. C. Knights, Captain H.
Cecil, Rt. Hon. Evelyn (Astor Manor) George, Rt. Hon. David Lloyd Lane-Fox, Major G. R.
Cecil, Rt. Hon. Lord Hugh (Oxford U.) Gibbs, Colonel George Abraham Larmor, sir J.
Chamberlain, Rt. Hon. J. A. (Birm., W.) Gilmour, Lieut.-Colonel John. Law, Right Hon. A. Bonar (Glasgow)
Chamberlain, N. (Birm., Ladywood) Glyn, Major R. Lewis, T. A. (Pontypridd, Glam.)
Child, Brig,-General Sir Hill Goff, Sir R. Park Lindsay, William Arthur
Churchill, Rt. Hon. Winston S. Gray, Major E. Locker-Lampson, Com. O. (Hunt'don)
Clay, Captain H. H. Spender Green, J. F. (Leicester) Locker-Lampson, G. (Wood Green)
Cough, R. Greenwood, Col. Sir Hamar Loseby, Captain C. E.
Cobb, Sir Cyril Greig, Colonel James William M'Donald, Dr. B. F. P. (Wallasey)
Cohen, Major J. B. B. Gretton, Colonel John Macdonald, Rt. Hon. J. M. (Stirling)
Colvin, Brigadier-General R. II. Guinness, Capt. Hon. (Southend) M'Laren, R. (Lanark, N.)
Conway, Sir W, Martin Guinness, Lt.-Col. Hon. W. E. (B. St. E.) Macquisten, F. A.
Maddocks, Henry Prescott, Major W. H. Talbot, G. A. (Hemel Hempstead)
Magnus, Sir Philip Pretyman, Rt. Hon. Ernest G. Taylor, J. (Dumbarton)
Malone, Col. C. L. (Leyton, E.) Purchase, H. G. Terrell, G. (Chippenham, Wilts)
Mason, Robert Rae, H. Norman Terrell, Capt. R. (Henley, Oxford)
Matthews, David Raeburn, Sir William Thomson, F. C. (Aberdeen, S.)
Mildmay, Col. Rt. Hon. Francis B. Raper, A. Baldwin Thomson, T. (Middlesbrough, W.)
Moles, Thomas Raw, Lieut.-Colonel Dr. N. Tryon, Major George Clement
Moreing, Captain Algernon H. Rawlinson, John Frederick Peel Vickers, D.
Mount, William Arthur Rees, Sir J. D. (Nottingham, E.) Waddington, R.
Munro, Rt. Hon. Robert Rendall, Athelstan Wallace J.
Murchison, C. K. Roberts, Rt. Hon. George H. (Norwich) Ward, Colonel L. (Kingston-upon-Hull)
Murray, Lt.-Col. Hon. A. C. (Aberdeen) Roberts, Sir S. (Sheffield, Ecclesall) Wardle, George J.
Murray, Major C. D. (Edinburgh, S.) Robinson, S. (Brecon and Radnor) Waring, Major Walter
Murray, Hon. G. (St. Rollox) Rodger, A. K. Warren, Sir Alfred H.
Murray, William (Dumfries) Roundell, Lieutenant-Colonel R. F. Watson, Captain John Bertrand
Nall, Major Joseph Rowlands, James White, Col. G. D. (Southport)
Neal, Arthur Samuel, A. M. (Farnham, Surrey) Whitla, Sir William
Nelson, R. F. W. R. Sanders, Colonel Robert Arthur Whittaker, Rt. Hon. Sir Thomas P.
Newman, Sir R. H. S. D. (Exeter) Seddon, J. A. Williams, Col. Sir R. (Dorset, W.)
Nicholl, Com. Sir Edward Seely, Maj.-Gen. Rt. Hon. John Wills, Lt.-Col. Sir Gilbert Alan H.
Nicholson, R. (Doncaster) Shaw, Hon. A. (Kilmarnock) Wilson, Capt. A. Stanley (Hold'ness)
Nicholson, W. (Petersfield) Shaw, Captain W. T. (Forfar) Wilson, Colonel Leslie (Reading)
O'Neill, Captain Hon. Robert W. H. Shortt, Rt. Hon. E. (N'castle-on-T., W.) Wilson, Col. M. (Richmond, Yorks.)
Ormsby-Gore, Hon. William Sprot, Colonel Sir Alexander Winterton, Major Earl
Palmer, Major G. M. (Jarrow) Stanley, Colonel Hon. G. F. (Preston) Wood, Major Hon. E. (Ripon)
Palmer, Brig.-Gen. G. (Wastbury) Steel, Major S. Strang Wood, Sir H. K. (Woolwich, W.)
Parker, James Stephenson, Colonel H. K. Yate, Colonel Charles Edward
Parry, Major Thomas Henry Stevens, Marshall Yeo, Sir Alfred William
Pease, Rt. Hon. Herbert Pike Stewart, Gershom TELLERS FOR THE AYES.—.Lord E.
Pollock, Sir Ernest Murray Strauss, Edward Anthony Talbot and Captain F. Guest.
Pownall, Lieut.-Colonel Assheton Sugden, W. H.
Pratt, John William Sutherland, Sir William
Acland, Rt. Hon. Francis Dyke Harbison, T. J. S Royce, William Stapleton
Adamson, Rt. Hon. William Hartshorn, V. Short, A. (Wednesbury)
Ashley, Col. Wilfred W. Hayward, Major Evan Sitch, C. H.
Banbury, Rt. Hon. Sir F. G. Hirst, G. H. Spoor, B. G.
Benn, Capt. W. (Leith) Holmes, J. S. Swan, J. E. C.
Briant, F. Jones, J. (Silvertown) Thomas, Rt. Hon. J. H. (Derby)
Grown, J. (Ayr and Bute) Kenworthy, Lieut.-Commander Thome, G. R. (Wolverhampton, E)
Cairns, John Kenyon, Barnet Tootill, Robert
Carter, W. (Mansfield) Lunn, William Waterson, A. E.
Cecil, Rt. Hon. Lord R. (Hitchin) Maclean, Nell (Glasgow, Govan) Wedgwood, Colonel Josiah C.
Clynes, Right Hon. John R. Maclean, Rt. Hon. Sir D. (Midlothian) Williams, A. (Conset, Durham)
Crooks, Rt. Hon. William MacVeagh, Jeremiah Wilson, W. T. (Westhoughton)
Davies, Alfred (Clitheroe) Murray, Dr. D. (Western Isles) Wood, Major Mackenzie (Aberdeen, C.)
Entwistle, Major C. F. O'Connor, T. P. Young, Robert (Newton, Lanes.)
Graham, D. M. (Hamilton) Parkinson, John Allen (Wigan) TELLERS FOR THE NOES.—Mr.
Griffiths, T. (Pontypool) Richardson, R. (Houghton) Hogge and Mr. Newbould.
Grundy, T. W. Roberts, F. O. (W. Bromwich)
Hall, F. (Yorks. Normanton) Robertson, J.

Bill read a second time, and committed to a Committee of the Whole House, for To-morrow. —[Sir A. Boscawen.]