HC Deb 02 August 1916 vol 85 cc301-3
63. Mr. O'SHAUGHNESSY

asked the Home Secretary whether the case of James Flanagan, one of the Irish prisoners at Frongoch, has been considered by the Advisory Committee; and, if so, what has been the decision come to on it?

Mr. SAMUEL

There is record of two persons of this name. One James Flanagan, of Oranmore, county Wexford, was released on the 13th July. With respect to the other James Flanagan, of 40, Belvedere Road, Dublin, the Advisory Committee recommend that he be retained in internment.

64. Mr. BYRNE

asked the Home Secretary whether the 570 prisoners at Fron- goch, and ordered to be interned, will have any opportunity of a civil trial; if they will be allowed to instruct counsel for their defence; and if he will say why they were denied counsel when before the Advisory Committee?

Mr. SAMUEL

The men referred to in the question have had a full opportunity of stating their cases before the Advisory Committee, and they were allowed to have legal assistance beforehand. I informed the hon. Member on the 29th June that the Advisory Committee had decided not to avail themselves of the assistance of legal advisers as advocates.

Mr. BYRNE

Arising out of that answer, is the right hon. Gentleman aware that the Advisory Committee dealt with 100 cases per day, and can he say what legal assistance would be given to men at that rate?

Mr. SAMUEL

There was a solicitor— indeed, more than one solicitor—who advised a very considerable number of them.

Mr. FLAVIN

Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that the principal evidence before the Advisory Committee against these persons was the statement of a police officer or constable who was not present; that the prisoners had no means of knowing what were the charges against them, and, therefore, it was quite impossible to meet them; is he further aware that a number of these men are still retained, not from any evidence before the Advisory Committee, but simply because they are members of the Irish Volunteers, and are men who never, in any shape or form, took part in the rebellion?

Mr. SAMUEL

No one has been retained whose case was not so recommended by the Advisory Committee. I do not think the hon. Member has been rightly informed as to the procedure of the Committee.

Mr. BYRNE

Are the Government afraid to give these men a fair trial in a Civil Court?

Mr. SAMUEL

That question has been dealt with again and again in Debate, and during the Debate I have answered it.

Mr. BYRNE

We have got no satisfactory answer.

Mr. FLAVIN

Can the right hon Gentleman say even now what are the intentions of the Government as to those men? Are they to be interned for an indefinite period, or are they to be given any form of public or judicial trial?

Mr. SAMUEL

Notice should be given of a question as to how long they will be interned.