§ Motion made, and Question proposed, "That a Supplementary sum, not exceeding £1,600, be granted to His Majesty, to defray the Charge which will come in course of payment during the year ending on the 31st day of March, 1912, for such of th Salaries and Expenses of the Supreme Court of Judicature and Court of Criminal Appeal as are not charged on the Consolidated Fund."
§ Mr. GRETTONI beg to move to reduce the Vote by £100.
The amount asked for is much more than the original Estimate. The total sum for the Services, as explained in a foot-note, is £4,480. I think the Committee ought to have some explanation as to how that sum is arrived at. It may be a very difficult thing to estimate exactly the amount that is required to defray the cost of election petitions, but, after all, this Estimate was made and submitted to the House in March of last year, and the information in possession of the Government should have enabled them to bring this amount nearer to the real cost. I am not complaining about election petitions on principle. There is no doubt that election petitions from time to time tend to keep elections clear from corrupt practices and bribery, and they are therefore useful to candidates and those who take part in elections. But on this occasion the number of petitions is certainly abnormal, and a great many of them failed. It 1242 appears that in many cases the country has been put to quite unnecessary and unreasonable expense by persons calling for reports, and taking up the time of His Majesty's justices in the investigation of claims which did not sufficiently justify the statements made when these petitions were launched. I should like the right hon. and learned Gentleman the Attorney-General to tell us what is the cost of each one of these petitions, for I note that they took place at East Nottingham, Cheltenham, Kingston-upon-Hull, Exeter, West Bromwich, King's Lynn, and the Northern Division of West Ham.
There is another item information about which would be of value to the Committee. It is stated that a saving to the extent of £800 have been made on money already voted, and that this £800 reduces the total sum now required. Upon what items have this saving been effected? It is a matter of some importance, because the transfer of money from one Vote to another under sanction of the Treasury is an objecionable matter. The Vote ought to come before this House, and receive the sanction of the House and Committee. Then an opportunity would occur of investigating these transfers of money from one head to another with merely Treasury sanction. Personally I hold very strong views on this matter.
§ Mr. SANDERSONI think it is only natural to expect some information about this matter. As has already been mentioned, the increase upon the original Estimate is a very large one, from £2,000 to £3,600. It is almost double the original 1243 amount. When you come to think that the previous Vote was only £10 it makes this Vote all the more extraordinary. There can only be two reasons for this increase: Either the Government must have miscalculated the number of election petitions or else there must have been a great many more expenses than anticipated. The Government can scarcely have miscalculated, because these election petitions have to be put in within a certain time. The Government, therefore, considerably before this Estimate was put before the House must have known how many election petitions would require to be heard. This, therefore, does not seem an adequate reason. How this extra £1,600 is justified is what I do not understand. The main cost of election petitions, of course, are borne by the parties. The judges are paid no extra salary. They get no more expenses than when they are on circuit. In many cases the petitions are tried in the Assizes Court, for which no extra rent has to be paid, and the judges themselves are lodged in the lodgings which are supplied by the county.
§ Mr. JOHN WARDI should like to ask you, Mr. Deputy-Chairman, whether it would be possible under this discussion for an hon. Member to discuss the question as to whether this was the most economic and the least expensive way of dealing with contested elections, or petitions after elections? I do not know whether it would be possible to enter into a discussion on this Supplementary Estimate of that problem—
§ The DEPUTY-CHAIRMAN (Mr. Maclean)That would not be in order.
§ Mr. J. WARDThere is a very great deal that I would like to say about these election petitions, especially those that are mentioned in this list. At any rate, I should hope, when the Government are bringing forward Supplementary Estimates for a matter of this description that they might give the House some guidance as to whether they think this is the proper and economical way of deciding election petitions.
§ The DEPUTY-CHAIRMANThe hon. Member is dealing with the question of policy now.
§ Sir RUFUS ISAACSThe reason for the Supplementary Estimates is that it was not foreseen at the time that the 1244 original Estimate was made that so much time would be consumed in making inquiries into these election petitions, although undoubtedly a considerable sum was taken into account in the original Estimates. The basis of remuneration and of expenses is exactly the same as it was in the original Estimate. There is no change made of any kind or description. The increase is due entirely to the greater number of days which were taken up in the hearing of the election petitions. Nothing new is paid. I do not quite see how, under these circumstances, there are any grounds for the criticism which has been directed at the Estimates. My hon. Friend the Member for Stoke raised a very interesting question, but one which we cannot discuss under the rules. Further, I do not think it is quite germane in respect of the £800 mentioned, but I might perhaps say that this is a sum saved on an important item of £333,000. It was consequently available for use on this Supplementary Estimate. I think that is perhaps sufficient explanation. Nobody can possibly tell how long an election petition is going to last, or, when the additional Estimates are framed, how many petitions there will be.
§ Mr. JOYNSON-HICKSI really think we are entitled to a little more explanation than that given by the right hon. and learned Gentleman. I think it is rather hard on the taxpayers that they should be called upon to pay for the cost of these election petitions by the Liberal party. It is sufficient to wreck the reputation of the Liberal party. [An HON. MEMBER: "What about Exeter?"] Well, the hon. Gentleman the Member for Exeter remains the Member for Exeter.
§ The DEPUTY-CHAIRMANMay I ask the hon. and learned Gentleman to confine his remarks within the ruling which has already been given?
§ Mr. JOYNSON-HICKSI am exceedingly sorry, Mr. Maclean. I was tempted by the perhaps irrelevant interruptions of hon. Members to reply to them. I do think we are entitled to ask the Attorney-General whether he has really seen the particulars of these Supplementary Estimates. It is not really an increase of £1,600 upon the original £2,000; it is an increase of £2,480 upon the £2,000, an increase of 125 per cent. That is a very considerable increase even in an Estimate of this kind. Has the Attorney-General gone through these Estimates? Has any-body 1245 gone through them? Is he prepared to tell this Committee that these expenses are normal? The suggestion of the right hon. Gentleman is that the judges have sat longer and that counsel, I suppose, have been more prolix than he expected they would be. It is rather hard for the country to be called upon to pay this additional 125 per cent. without some further explanation from the Law Officers of the Crown. The explanation given is really no explanation. All the right hon. Gentleman says is that the various items are more than expected. He really might just as well have printed at the head of the Vote a statement that the expense of these Estimates are greater because they are greater. It would save us a lot of trouble, and it would save the time of the House and of this Committee.
§ Sir F. BANBURYMy hon. Friend has pointed out very accurately that the increase of these Estimates is 125 per cent.
§ Sir RUFUS ISAACSPerhaps the hon. Baronet will allow me that I stated particularly that I was dealing with the £1,600 on the Supplementary Estimate, which we were asking the House to pass. I also pointed out that I would mention the £800, as I did, although it did not arise. The hon. Gentleman who moved the reduction did so that I might answer his question, and I have answered it.
§ Sir F. BANBURYAnybody listening to the statement of the right hon. Gentleman would say that the £1,600 was all the increase that was asked for. Certainly the right hon. Gentleman said he would deal with what was asked for, £1,600, but what he was really asked is about £2,485. My hon. Friend pointed out to the right hon. Gentleman that the answer which he had given could not be regarded as an answer at all, because the judges got no more when they tried election petitions than when they were doing anything else. They are paid a fixed sum in the way of salaries, like Members in the House of Commons. We are paid no more because the Government makes the House sit for a longer period. The right hon. Gentleman shakes his head, but let him show me where I am wrong. It is an extremely difficult thing for the layman to enlarge upon these legal technicalities.
§ Sir RUFUS ISAACSI referred to the judges' allowances in reply to the hon. Member (Mr. Sanderson). These are allowance 1246 made to the judges when they try election petitions, the same as when they go to Assizes.
§ Sir F. BANBURYWhat are these allowances? My hon. Friend pointed out that as a rule the judges' lodgings are paid for by the county, and therefore they do not come upon this Vote, but the Attorney-General omitted to make any reference to that statement. Then he talked of allowances. What are these allowances? How many judges were there concerned? There cannot have been a very large number of extra allowances for these judges, and certainly nothing that would be sufficient to total up £2,480. I should like to know where the other expenses came from. All the expenses in connection with the trial lasting for a long time are paid by the parties to the trial. They are not paid by the Crown. The right hon. Gentleman in some case may make eloquent speeches of great length in favour of his clients, either defendant or plaintiff, as the case may be. That may increase the amount, no doubt, because he gets refreshers, and the longer he speaks the more he gets, but that is not paid by the Vote in the House of Commons. It is paid by the parties who employ him. How can the length of a trial of these election petitions have anything to do with this extra expense? The length of the trial does no doubt add expense for the parties to the trial. They have to put their hands in their pockets and pay, but that is not the question here. We are not to put our hands into the pockets of the taxpayer and pay these expenses again. I think I have shown that the right hon. Gentleman has not attempted to answer in any kind of way the criticism of my hon. Friends.
The right hon. Gentleman found an answer on the last Vote very successfully no doubt from the Parliamentary point of view, for we on this side of the House, not being quite as alert as hon. Gentlemen opposite, have not always seized the point. We were slightly upset by the statement of the Attorney-General and did not rise to the occasion. This time we have risen to the occasion. The right hon. Gentlman will remember the old saying, "You may fool some people some time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time." The same applies to hon. Gentlemen sitting on this side of the House. I should be very much obliged if the right hon. Gentleman will allow me to give him a little piece of 1247 advice, and that is let him take the Committee into his confidence by telling them what the true reasons for this increase is. If he will do that he will find that his conduct is appreciated by every hon. Member on this side of the House above the Gangway—I do not attempt to speak for hon. Members from Ireland—and then the Committee will be able to exercise that control over the finances of the country which hon. and right hon. Gentlemen opposite, when they sat on this side of the House, were always telling us ought to be exercised.
§ Mr. LANE-FOXThere is one discrepancy I find in the speech of the right hon. Gentleman opposite. He said it was not reasonable to expect that the Government should know how many election petitions there were going to be, but when was the Election and when was the Estimate framed? The Election was in December, and obviously the time in which petitions could be brought expired before the Estimates were framed. They know the number of election petitions that were coming on, although they may not have known the number of days they would take; and it would appear that the Government underestimated the amount of time petitions would take by practically one-half. That is bad business, although the sum involved is not very serious. What business assembly in the world is there that would consent to do its business in the way we are doing it? When we ask questions as to how the money is spent, we get some sort of an assurance that it is all right. In any other assembly the gentlemen responsible for the spending of the money would come down and say, "It has been spent in such and such a direction." It is most unsatisfactory that we could get no detailed answer either upon this Vote or upon the last Vote, and it is impossible to say that the control of the House of Commons has been properly exercised if this is the only sort of answer we get in response to our inquiry.
§ Mr. RUPERT GWYNNEThe Attorney-General has not satisfied this side of the House by giving any adequate reason for this increased Vote. May I suggest that as he is not able to give us any answer or any solution for it—
§ The DEPUTY-CHAIRMANI do not think the hon. Gentleman is confining his remarks to the immediate matter before 1248 the House. His remarks as to the unsatisfactory character of the reply given from the Treasury Bench was previously used by at least three other hon. Members. It is not in order to keep repeating these observations.
§ Viscount HELMSLEYOn a point of Order. Seeing that this extra Vote is required owing to the increased cost of election petitions, is it not in order to inquire why there have been more election petitions—
§ The DEPUTY-CHAIRMANI think the Noble Lord is not in order.
§ Mr. JOYNSON-HICKSMay I ask whether, in the event of an unsatisfactory reply being given from the Minister, Members on this side are not entitled to go on asking for a reply?
§ The DEPUTY-CHAIRMANThere is a Standing Order against unnecessary repetition.
§ Mr. JOYNSON-HICKSMay I suggest it is not unnecessary, as we have not got an answer?
§ Lord ROBERT CECILOn a point of Order. Is it not the universal practice in this House to ask questions of Ministers, and then, if what we hear from them is not satisfactory, to move that you do report Progress, which I shall do unless we get a satisfactory answer?
§ The DEPUTY - CHAIRMANThe Minister has, to the best of his ability, given an answer to the questions put to him. The mere fact that it is not satisfactory to every Member of the Committee would not entitle them to repeat the question for any length of time.
§ Sir GEORGE YOUNGERIs it not really the rule of this House that repetition should not be indulged in by an individual Member, but that anyone who has not made a statement before can repeat the question?
§ The DEPUTY-CHAIRMANThat is not the correct view of the rule.
§ Mr. RUPERT GWYNNEIs it not a fact that the repetitions refer to previous argument, and not to questions. My repetition was merely pressing a question that was not answered, and I press for an answer.
§ Sir RUFUS ISAACSI thought I had expressly and explicitly answered the questions put to me. I repeat again the substance of the answer, as apparently it does not seem to have gone quite home to the minds of hon. Members. What I said was that, in accordance with the ruling of the Chair, we were confined to giving the reason for the Supplementary Estimate; I have explained that the Supplementary Estimate was based entirely on the same system as the original Estimate was framed. The increase is automatic, simply arising from a greater number of days spent upon election petitions than was anticipated. There is not a single new charge or basis of charge. Every charge is exactly the same, except that it is multiplied four times more than was originally thought to be necessary. I do not know how anyone who framed the Estimate was to give with accuracy the number of days that was to be taken up with the hearing of the election petitions, or the number of election petitions that would go to trial. Moreover, the original Estimates were framed before the number of election petitions were actually known. I think therefore I have answered every one of the questions.
§ Mr. POLLOCKI think the explanation given is a little, I will not say unfortunate, but a little incomplete. I think the Attorney-General assumed much greater knowledge on the part of the Members on this side than unfortunately they are able to have. He assumes they have the same knowledge on this matter as he has. The essence of his answer seems to indicate that this charge is a charge only for extra expenses on account of the days spent by the judges in hearing petitions. I do not think that is quite right, and I do not think the Attorney-General intended that, but his answer conveyed that meaning. I ask him whether this sum does not also include the costs which are necessary at election petitions, for instance, for the attendance of the Public Prosecutor, who is represented to safeguard the interest of the public. It is necessary for the Public Prosecutor to attend and see that no public offence is committed. Another thing: a report has to be made of election petitions to Mr. Speaker, and for that purpose, if I recollect rightly, a special secretary has to be appointed for the judges at each particular place, and a report has to be drawn up by this secretary and afterwards transmitted to Mr. Speaker, and these charges are included. These are 1250 not charges that can be attributed to the cost of sending down judges; it is incidental to the Court. There is another charge. You have the necessary number of persons in attendance upon the judges, including their marshals. I suppose these items are included? I ask the right hon. Gentleman am I right in this, because I think it would be very unfortunate if it were to be assumed that the whole of this sum was expense incurred by the judges receiving their allowances. If I am right the Committee will have gained a certain amount of information which up to the present has not been placed at our disposal.
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§ Viscount WOLMERThis Vote is nearly double the amount of the original Estimate, and one reason given for the increase is that a great many more election petitions were brought into Court than the Government expected. Are we to understand that a year ago about half of the election petitions had so little foundation that extra expense had to be provided for?
§ Mr. BUTCHERWhat are the particulars of this extra sum? The Attorney-General thinks we are here simply to register formally our vote for anything we are asked to sanction. I think we are entitled to know what we are voting for. The only information which has been given to us is that this extra money is exactly of the same nature as that which has been voted before. I think we are entitled to have all the particulars of this £2,480, and I would like to know if the Attorney-General has got that information. If he has, surely he ought to give it to the House. We want to ascertain whether it is proper expenditure or not, and how can we do that unless we have the items given to us. If he has not got the information, and for some reason or other his officials have failed to provide it for him, are we not in the position of enacting an absurd farce here? We are here to protect the public purse, and if the Attorney-General has not got these details, it is his business to get them, and unless he can assure me that he has got them, I shall move the Adjournment of the Debate to give him an opportunity of getting the information.
§ Lord ROBERT CECILThis is really becoming a matter of some importance. Hon. Members opposite seem to regard the proceedings of this Committee as a joke, but that is not the view we take of it. The 1251 point is that we are asked to sanction an additional Estimate beyond the Estimate originally made for certain expenses. Surely we are entitled to know whether this new expenditure has been fairly arrived at by the Government or not. We ought to be told what any man in his own business would be told. Supposing you employed a servant or an agent, and he said, "I want £2,000 for a particular business." Later on he comes back and says, "Instead of £2,000, I have spent £4,400." The business man would not be satisfied merely with the statement, "I assure you that sum has been arrived at precisely on the same basis as the £2,000," and he would probably reply, "If that is all the account you can give, the sooner you leave my service the better." That is what an ordinary business man would say. He would say, "Show me what are the figures on which you have estimated, and how has your original Estimate been increased." There were seven different petitions mentioned and several cases of miscalculation. We do not know what the original £2,000 was based upon, and we are merely told that it is upon the same foundation for the £4,480 as for the £2,000. If the Government are allowed to ride off on an explanation of that kind, there is absolutely no control at all. The hon. Member for Stoke sits there and makes offensive observations, but he takes no useful part in the Debate, while the rest of the supporters of the Government are perfectly satisfied when the Attorney-General says that this Estimate is framed on the same basis as the previous one. They do not ask how the miscalculation has been made, but they regard it as a joke when we press the matter and ask for the items which the Attorney-General could give in five minutes. We want the items of the original Estimate and those of the increased Estimate, showing how the
| Division No. 16.] | AYES. | [7.10 p.m. |
| Abraham, William (Dublin Harbour) | Birrell, Rt. Hon. Augustine | Cawley, Harold T. (Heywood) |
| Acland, Francis Dyke | Black, Arthur W. | Chancellor, H. G. |
| Addison, Dr. C. | Boland, John Pius | Chapple, Dr. W. A. |
| Agnew, Sir George William | Booth, Frederick Handel | Clancy, John Joseph |
| Armitage, R. | Bowerman, C. W. | Clough, William |
| Baker, Joseph Allen (Finsbury, E.) | Brady, P. J. | Clynes, John R. |
| Balfour, Sir Robert (Lanark) | Brocklehurst, W. B. | Collins, Stephen (Lambeth) |
| Baring, Sir Godfrey (Barnstaple) | Brunner, John F. L. | Compton-Rickett, Rt. Hon. Sir J. |
| Barran, Sir John N. (Hawick, B.) | Bryce, John Annan | Cornwall, Sir Edwin A. |
| Barran, Rowland Hurst (Leeds, N.) | Buckmaster, Stanley O. | Cory, Sir Clifford John |
| Beale, W. P. | Burke, E. Haviland | Cotton, William Francis |
| Beauchamp, Sir Edward | Burns, Rt. Hon. John | Crawshay-Williams, Eliot |
| Beck, Arthur Cecil | Burt, Rt. Hon. Thomas | Crooks, William |
| Benn, W. W. (T. Hamlets, St. Geo.) | Buxton, Noel (Norfolk, North) | Crumley, Patrick |
| Bentham, G. J. | Byles, Sir William Pollard | Davies, E. William (Eifion) |
| Bethell, Sir John Henry | Cawley, Sir Frederick (Prestwich) | Davies, Timothy (Lincs., Louth) |
§ additional cost has been incurred. Although the Attorney-General has treated the House with great courtesy, he has failed altogether to answer the original questions put, and I shall support the Motion for a reduction.
§ Viscount HELMSLEYI see the Secretary for the Treasury is now in his place, and I should like to know definitely how these Estimates are arrived at. There are two alternative ways, and if the Committee knew which method had been adopted it would be an advantage to us in exercising that control over the expenditure which we ought to have. What has happened in previous years is for the Treasury to say after a General Election, "You usually have so many election petitions and the cost will be so much," and then you strike an average and put that down as the Estimate required. That is one method of doing it. The other method would be to consider what petitions are likely to come forward and make a detailed Estimate of the expenditure under the different services for those petitions in order to see what they come to. That would be a more detailed and accurate way of making Estimates. Is that the way which has been adopted by the Treasury, or do they adopt the policy of striking an average which must be inaccurate? If the Secretary to the Treasury will inform us on that point the Committee will be obliged to him. If we do not get an answer, I shall go into the Lobby against the Government.
§ Sir RUFUS ISAACSrose in his place, and claimed to move, "That the Question be now put."
§ Question put, "That the Question be now put."
§ The Committee divided: Ayes, 236; Noes, 135.
| Delany, William | Kilbride, Denis | Pringle, William M. R. |
| Denman, Hon. Richard Douglas | Lambert, Rt. Hon. G. (Devon, S. Molton) | Radford, George Heynes |
| Devlin, Joseph | Lambert, Richard (Wilts, Cricklade) | Raphael, Sir Herbert H. |
| Dickinson, W. H. | Lawson, Sir W. (Cumb'rld, Cockerm'th) | Rea, Walter Russell (Scarborough) |
| Dillon, John | Leach, Charles | Reddy, Michael |
| Donelan, Captain A. | Levy, Sir Maurice | Rendall, Athelstan |
| Doris, W. | Lewis, John Herbert | Richardson, Thomas (Whitehaven) |
| Duffy, William J. | Low, Sir F. (Norwich) | Roberts, Charles H. (Lincoln) |
| Duncan, C. (Barrow-in-Furness) | Lundon, T. | Roberts, G. H. (Norwich) |
| Edwards, Clement (Glamorgan, E.) | Lyell, Charles Henry | Roberts, Sir J. H. (Denbighs) |
| Edwards, Sir Francis (Radnor) | Lynch, A. A. | Robertson, Sir G. Scott (Bradford) |
| Elibank, Rt. Hon. Master of | Macdonald, J. R. (Leicester) | Robertson, John M. (Tyvneside) |
| Elverston, Sir Harold | Macdonald, J. M. (Falkirk Burghs) | Robinson, Sidney |
| Esmonds, Dr. John (Tipperary, N.) | McGhee, Richard | Roch, Walter F. (Pembroke) |
| Ferens, Rt. Hon. Thomas Robinson | Macnamara, Rt. Hon. Dr. T. J. | Roche, Augustine (Louth) |
| Ffrench, Peter | MacNeill, John G. S. (Donegal, South) | Rose, Sir Charles Day |
| Fiennes, Hon. Eustace Edward | Macpherson, James Ian | Rowlands, James |
| Flavin, Michael Joseph | MacVeagh, Jeremiah | Rowntree, Arnold |
| Furness, Stephen W. | McKenna, Rt. Hon. Reginald | Runciman, Rt. Hon. Walter |
| Gelder, Sir W. A. | M'Laren, Hon. H. D. (Leics.) | Russell, Rt. Hon. Thomas W. |
| Gill, A. H. | M'Laren, Hon. F. W. S. (Lincs., Spalding) | Samuel, Rt. Hon. H. L. (Cleveland) |
| Gladstone, W. G. C. | M'Micking, Major Gilbert | Samuel, J. (Stockton) |
| Goddard, Sir Daniel Ford | Markham, Sir Arthur Basil | Scanlan, Thomas |
| Goldstone, Frank | Marks, Sir George Croydon | Schwann, Rt. Hon. Sir Charles E. |
| Greenwood, Granville G. (Peterborough) | Marshall, Arthur Harold | Scott, A. MacCallum (Glas., Bridgeton) |
| Greenwood, Hamar (Sunderland) | Mason, David M. (Coventry) | Seely, Col. Rt. Hon. J. E. B. |
| Griffith, Ellis Jones | Masterman, C. F. G. | Sheehy, David |
| Guest, Major Hon. C. H. C. (Pembroke) | Meagher, Michael | Shortt, Edward |
| Guest, Hon. Frederick E. (Dorset, E.) | Meehan, Francis E. (Leitrim, N.) | Simon, Sir John Allsebrook |
| Gwynn, Stephen Lucius (Galway) | Menzies, Sir Walter | Smith, Albert (Lancs., Clitheroe) |
| Hackett, J. | Molloy, Michael | Snowden, Philip |
| Hancock, John George | Molteno, Percy Alport | Soames, Arthur Wellesley |
| Harcourt, Robert V. (Montrose) | Morgan, George Hay | Spicer, Sir Albert |
| Hardie, J. Keir (Merthyr Tydvil) | Morrell, Philip | Strauss, Edward A. (Southwark, West) |
| Harmsworth, Cecil (Luton, Beds.) | Morton, Alpheus Cleophas | Taylor, John W. (Durham) |
| Harmsworth, R. L. (Caithness-shire) | Munro, R. | Taylor, Theodore C. (Radcliffe) |
| Harvey, A. G. C. (Rochdale) | Munro-Ferguson, Rt. Hon. R. C. | Tennant, Harold John |
| Harvey, T. E. (Leeds, W.) | Murray, Capt. Hon. A. C. | Thorne, G. R. (Wolverhampton) |
| Harvey, W. E. (Derbyshire, N. E.) | Nannetti, Joseph P. | Trevelyan, Charles Philips |
| Haslam, Lewis (Monmouth) | Neilson, Francis | Ure, Rt. Hon. Alexander |
| Havelock Allan, Sir Henry | Nicholson, Sir Charles N. (Doncaster) | Verney, Sir Harry |
| Hayden, John Patrick | Nolan, Joseph | Walsh, Stephen (Lancs., Ince) |
| Henderson, Arthur (Durham) | Norman, Sir Henry | Walton, Sir Joseph |
| Henry, Sir Charles S. | Norton, Captain Cecil W. | Ward, John (Stoke-upon-Trent) |
| Higham, John Sharp | Nuttall, Harry | Wardle, George J. |
| Hinds, John | O'Connor, John (K'ldare, N.) | Waring, Walter |
| Hodge, John | O'Connor, T. P. (Liverpool) | Warner, Sir Thomas Courtenay |
| Hogge, James Myles | O'Donnell, Thomas | Wason, Rt. Hon. E. (Clackmannan) |
| Holmes, Daniel Thomas | O'Dowd, John | Wason, John Cathcart (Orkney) |
| Holt, Richard Durning | O'Grady, James | Watt, Henry A. |
| Howard, Hon. Geoffrey | O'Kelly, Edward P. (Wicklow, W.) | Webb, H. |
| Hudson, Walter | O'Malley, William | White, Sir Luke (Yorks, E. R.) |
| Hughes, S. L. | O'Neill, Dr. Charles (Armagh, S.) | White, Patrick (Meath, North) |
| Isaacs, Rt. Hon. Sir Rufus | O'Shaughnessy, P. J. | Whitehouse, John Howard |
| Jardine, Sir John (Roxburghshire) | O'Sullivan, Timothy | Whittaker, Rt. Hon. Sir Thomas P. |
| John, Edward Thomas | Palmer, Godfrey | Wiles, Thomas |
| Jones, Edgar (Merthyr Tydvil) | Parker, James (Halifax) | Wilkie, Alexander |
| Jones, H. Haydn (Merioneth) | Pearce, Robert (Staffs, Leek) | Williams, P. (Middlesbrough) |
| Jones, Leif Stratten (Notts, Rushcliffe) | Pearce, William (Limehouse) | Wilson, Hon. G. G. (Hull, W.) |
| Jones, William (Carnarvonshire) | Pease, Rt. Hon. Joseph A. (Rotherham) | Wilson, W. T. (Westhoughton) |
| Jowett, Frederick William | Phillips, John (Longford, S.) | |
| Joyce, Michael | Pirie, Duncan V. | TELLERS FOR THE AYES.—Mr. Illingworth and Mr. Gulland. |
| Keating, Matthew | Pollard, Sir George H. | |
| Kennedy, Vincent Paul | Power, Patrick Joseph |
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| Agg-Gardner, James Tynte | Bennett-Goldney, Francis | Cecil, Lord R. (Herts, Hitchin) |
| Aitken, Sir William Max | Bentinck, Lord H. Cavendish- | Chamberlain, Rt. Hon. J. A. (Worc'r) |
| Amery, L. C. M. S. | Bigland, Alfred | Courthope, G. Loyd |
| Anstruther-Gray, Major William | Bird, A. | Craig, Charles Curtis (Antrim, S.) |
| Ashley, W. W. | Boles, Lieut.-Col. Dennis Fortescue | Craig, Captain James (Down, E.) |
| Astor, Waldorf | Boscawen, Sir Arthur S. T. Griffith- | Craik, Sir Henry |
| Baker, Sir Randolf L. (Dorset, N.) | Boyle, W. Lewis (Norfolk, Mid) | Dalziel, Davison (Brixton) |
| Balcarres, Lord | Brassey, H. Leonard Campbell | Denniss, E. R. B. |
| Banbury, Sir Frederick George | Bridgeman, William Clive | Duke, Henry Edward |
| Banner, John S. Harmood- | Burn, Colonel C. R. | Faber, George D. (Clapham) |
| Baring, Maj. Hon. Guy V. (Winchester) | Butcher, J. G. | Fell, Arthur |
| Barlow, Montague (Salford, South) | Campbell, Capt. Duncan F. (Ayr, N.) | Fetherstonhaugh, Godfrey |
| Barnston, Harry | Cassel, Felix | Finlay, Rt. Hon. Sir Robert |
| Bathurst, Hon. A. B. (Glouc, E.) | Castlereagh, Viscount | Flannery, Sir J. Fortescue |
| Bathurst, Charles (Wilts, Wilton) | Cator, John | Fletcher, John Samuel (Hampstead) |
| Becket, Hon. Gervase | Cave, George | Forster, Henry William |
| Benn, Arthur Shirley (Plymouth) | Cecil, Evelyn (Aston Manor) | Foster, Philip Staveley |
| Gardner, Ernest | Lewisham, Viscount | Sanders, Robert A. |
| Gastrell, Major W. H. | Lloyd, George Ambrose | Sanderson, Lancelot |
| Gibbs, G. A. | Locker-Lampson, O. (Ramsey) | Sandys, G. J. (Somerset, Wells) |
| Gilmour, Captain J. | Lyttelton, Rt. Hn. A. (S. Geo., Han. S.) | Spear, Sir John Ward |
| Goldman, Charles Sydney | Lyttelton, Hon. J. C. (Droitwich) | Stanley, Hon. G. F. (Preston) |
| Goldsmith, Frank | MacCaw, Wm. J. MacGeagh | Staveley-Hill, Henry |
| Gordon, John (Londonderry, South) | Mackinder, H. J. | Stewart, Gershom |
| Gordon, Hon. John Edward (Brighton) | M'Neill, Ronald (Kent, St. Augustine) | Sykes, Alan John (Ches., Knutsord) |
| Goulding, Edward Alfred | Magnus, Sir Philip | Talbot, Lord E. |
| Gretton, John | Morrison-Bell, Capt. E. F. (Ashburton) | Terrell, George (Wilts, N. W.) |
| Gwynne, R. S. (Sussex, Eastbourne) | Mount, William Arthur | Thomson, W. Mitchell- (Down, North) |
| Hambro, Angus Valdemar | Neville, Reginald J. N. | Touche, George Alexander |
| Hamersley, Alfred St. George | Newdegate, F. A. | Valentia, Viscount |
| Hardy, Rt. Hon. Laurence | Newton, Harry Kottingham | Walker, Colonel William Hall |
| Harris, Henry Percy | Nicholson, William G. (Petersfield) | Walrond, Hon. Lionel |
| Helmsley, Viscount | Nield, Herbert | Ward, A. S. (Herts, Watford) |
| Henderson, Major H. (Berks, Abingdon) | O'Neill, Hon. A. E. B. (Antrim, Mid) | Weigall, Captain A. G. |
| Herbert, Hon. A. (Somerset, S.) | Orde-Powlett, Hon. W. G. A. | White, Major G. D. (Lancs., Southport) |
| Hills, J. W. | Ormsby-Gore, Hon. William | Williams, Col. R. (Dorset, W.) |
| Hill-Wood, Samuel | Pease, Herbert Pike (Darlington) | Willoughby, Major Hon. Claud |
| Hoare, Samuel John Gurney | Peel, Captain R. F. (Woodbridge) | Wolmer, Viscount |
| Hohler, G. Fitzroy | Peto, Basil Edward | Wood, John (Stalybridge) |
| Hope, Harry (Bute) | Pollock, Ernest Murray | Worthington-Evans, L. |
| Horner, A. L. | Pryce-Jones, Col. E. | Wortley, Rt. Hon. C. B. Stuart- |
| Houston, Robert Paterson | Remnant, James Farquharson | Yate, Colonel C. E. |
| Joynson-Hicks, William | Rolleston, Sir John | Younger, Sir George |
| Kerr-Smiley, Peter Kerr | Royds, Edmund | |
| Kinloch-Cooke, Sir Clement | Rutherford, Watson (L'pool, W. Derby) | TELLERS FOR THE NOES.—Mr. Wheler and Mr. Lane-Fox. |
| Law, Rt. Hon. A. Bonar (Bootle) | Samuel, Sir Harry (Norwood) |
§ Question put "That a Supplementary sum, not exceeding £1,500, be granted for the said service."
| Division No. 17.] | AYES. | [7.18 p.m. |
| Agg-Gardner, James Tynte | Finlay, Rt. Hon. Sir Robert | Newton, Harry Kottingham |
| Aitken, Sir William Max | Flannery, Sir J. Fortescue | Nicholson, William G. (Petersfield) |
| Amery, L. C. M. S. | Fletcher, John Samuel (Hampstead) | Nield, Herbert |
| Anstruther-Gray, Major William | Forster, Henry William | O'Neill, Hon. A. E. B. (Antrim, Mid) |
| Ashley, W. W. | Foster, Philip Staveley | Orde-Powlett, Hon. W. G. A. |
| Baker, Sir R. L. (Dorset, N.) | Gardner, Ernest | Ormsby-Gore, Hon. William |
| Balcarres, Lord | Gibbs, G. A. | Pease, Herbert Pike (Darlington) |
| Banbury, Sir Frederick George | Gilmour, Captain J. | Peel, Capt. R. F. (Woodbridge) |
| Banner, John S. Harmood- | Goldman, C. S. | Peto, Basil Edward |
| Baring, Maj. Hon. Guy V. (Winchester) | Goldsmith, Frank | Pollock, Ernest Murray |
| Barlow, Montague (Salford, South) | Gordon, John (Londonderry, South) | Pryce-Jones, Col. E. |
| Barnston, Harry | Gordon, Hon. John Edward (Brighton) | Remnant, James Farquharson |
| Bathurst, Hon. Allen B. (Glouc, E.) | Goulding, Edward Alfred | Rolleston, Sir John |
| Bathurst, Charles (Wilton) | Gwynne, R. S. (Sussex, Eastbourne) | Royds, Edmund |
| Beckett, Hon. Gervase | Hambro, Angus Valdemar | Rutherford, Watson (L'pool, W. Derby) |
| Bennett-Goldney, Francis | Hamersley, A. St. George | Sanders, Robert A. |
| Bentinck, Lord H. Cavendish- | Hardy, Rt. Hon. Laurence | Sanderson, Lancelot |
| Bigland, Alfred | Harris, Henry Percy | Sandys, G. J. (Somerset, Wells) |
| Bird, A. | Helmsley, Viscount | Spear, Sir John Ward |
| Boles, Lieut.-Col. Dennis Fortescue | Henderson, Major H. (Berks., Abingdon) | Stanley, Hon. G. F. (Preston) |
| Boscawen, Sir Arthur S. T. Griffith- | Hills, J. W. | Staveley-Hill, Henry |
| Boyle, W. L. (Norfolk, Mid) | Hill-Wood, Samuel | Stewart, Gershom |
| Boyton, J. | Hoare, S. J. G. | Sykes, Alan John (Ches., Knutslord) |
| Brassey, H. Leonard Campbell | Hohler, G. Fitzroy | Talbot, Lord E. |
| Bridgeman, W. Clive | Hope, Harry (Bute) | Terrell, G. (Wilts, N. W.) |
| Burn, Colonel C. R. | Hope, James Fitzalan (Sheffield) | Thomson, W. Mitchell- (Down, N.) |
| Butcher, J. G. | Horner, Andrew Long | Touche, George Alexander |
| Campbell, Capt. Duncan F. (Ayr, N.) | Houston, Robert Paterson | Valentia, Viscount |
| Cassel, Felix | Joynson-Hicks, William | Walker, Colonel William Hall |
| Castlereagh, Viscount | Kerr-Smiley, Peter Kerr | Walrond, Hon. Lionel |
| Cator, John | Kinloch-Cooke, Sir Clement | Ward, Arnold S. (Herts, Watford) |
| Cave, George | Lane-Fox, G. R. | Weigall, Capt. A. G. |
| Cecil, Evelyn (Aston Manor) | Law, Rt. Hon. A. Bonar (Bootle) | Wheler, Granville C. H. |
| Cecil, Lord R. (Herts, Hitchin) | Lewisham, Viscount | White, Major G. D. (Lancs., Southport) |
| Chamberlain, Rt. Hon. J. A. (Worc'r.) | Lloyd, G. A. | Williams, Col. R. (Dorset, W.) |
| Coates, Major Sir Edward Feetham | Locker-Lampson, O. (Ramsey) | Willoughby, Major Hon. Claud |
| Courthope, G. Loyd | Lyttelton, Rt. Hon. A. (Hanover Sq.) | Wolmer, Viscount |
| Craig, Charles Curtis (Antrim, S.) | Lyttelton, Hon. J. C. (Droitwich) | Wood, John (Stalybridge) |
| Craig, Captain James (Down, E.) | MacCaw, Wm. J. MacGeagh | Worthington-Evans, L. |
| Craik, Sir Henry | Mackinder, H. J. | Yate, Col. C. E. |
| Dalziel, D. (Brixton) | M'Neill, Ronald (Kent, St. Augustine) | Younger, Sir George |
| Denniss, E. R. B. | Magnus, Sir Philip | |
| Duke, Henry Edward | Morrison-Bell, Capt. E. F. (Ashburton) | |
| Faber, George Denison (Clapham) | Mount, William Arthur | TELLERS FOR THE AYES.—Mr. Shirley Benn and Mr. Astor. |
| Fell, Arthur | Neville, Reginald J. M. | |
| Fetherstonhaugh, Godfrey | Newdegate, F. A. |
§ The Committee divided: Ayes, 133; Noes, 236.
| NOES. | ||
| Abraham, William (Dublin Harbour) | Harmsworth, Cecil (Luton, Beds.) | O'Grady, James |
| Acland, Francis Dyke | Harmsworth, R. L. (Caithness-shire) | O'Kelly, Edward P. (Wicklow, W.) |
| Addison, Dr. C. | Harvey, A. G. C. (Rochdale) | O'Malley, William |
| Agnew, Sir George William | Harvey, T. E. (Leeds, W.) | O'Neill, Dr. Charles (Armagh, S.) |
| Armitage, R. | Harvey, W. E. (Derbyshire, N. E.) | O'Shaughnessy, P. J. |
| Baker, Joseph A. (Finsbury, E.) | Haslam, Lewis (Monmouth) | O'Sullivan, Timothy |
| Balfour, Sir Robert (Lanark) | Havelock-Allan, Sir Henry | Palmer, Godfrey |
| Baring, Sir Godfrey (Barnstaple) | Hayden, John Patrick | Parker, James (Halifax) |
| Barran, Sir J. N. (Hawick) | Henderson, Arthur (Durham) | Pearce, Robert (Staffs, Leek) |
| Barran, Rowland Hirst (Leeds, N.) | Henry, Sir Charles S. | Pearce, William (Limehouse) |
| Beale, W. P. | Higham, John Sharp | Pease, Rt. Hon. Joseph A. (Rotherham) |
| Beauchamp, Sir Edward | Hinds, John | Phillips, John (Longford, S.) |
| Beck, Arthur Cecil | Hodge, John | Pirie, Duncan V. |
| Benn, W. W. (T. Hamlets, St. Geo.) | Hogge, James Myles | Pollard, Sir George H. |
| Bentham, G. J. | Holmes, Daniel Thomas | Power, Patrick Joseph |
| Bethell, Sir J. H. | Holt, Richard Durning | Pringle, William M. R. |
| Birrell, Rt. Hon. Augustine | Howard, Hon. Geoffrey | Radford, G. H. |
| Black, Arthur W. | Hudson, Walter | Raphael, Sir Herbert H. |
| Boland, John Pius | Hughes, S. L. | Rea, Walter Russell (Scarborough) |
| Booth, Frederick Handel | Isaacs, Rt. Hon. Sir Rufus | Reddy, M. |
| Bowerman, C. W. | Jardine, Sir J. (Roxburghshire) | Rendall, Athelstan |
| Brady, P. J. | John, Edward Thomas | Richardson, Thomas (Whitehaven) |
| Brocklehurst, W. B. | Jones, Edgar (Merthyr Tydvil) | Roberts, Charles H. (Lincoln) |
| Brunner, John F. L. | Jones, H. Haydn (Merioneth) | Roberts, G. H. (Norwich) |
| Bryce, J. Annan | Jones, Leif Stratten (Notts, Rushcliffe) | Roberts, Sir J. H. (Denbighs) |
| Buckmaster, Stanley O. | Jones, William (Carnarvonshire) | Robertson, Sir G. Scott (Bradford) |
| Burke, E. Haviland- | Jowett, F. W. | Robertson, J. M. (Tyneside) |
| Burns, Rt. Hon. John | Joyce, Michael | Robinson, Sidney |
| Burt, Rt. Hon. Thomas | Keating, M. | Roch, Walter F. (Pembroke) |
| Buxton, Noel (Norfolk) | Kennedy, Vincent Paul | Roche, Augustine (Louth) |
| Byles, Sir William Pollard | Kilbride, Denis | Rose, Sir Charles Day |
| Cawley, Sir Frederick (Prestwich) | Lambert, Rt. Hon. G. (Devon, S. Molton) | Rowlands, James |
| Cawley, Harold T. (Heywood) | Lambert, Richard (Wilts, Cricklade) | Rowntree, Arnold |
| Chancellor, H. G. | Lawson, Sir W. (Cumb'rld, Cockerm'th) | Runciman, Rt. Hon. Walter |
| Chapple, Dr. W. A. | Leach, Charles | Russell, Rt. Hon. Thomas W. |
| Clancy, John Joseph | Levy, Sir Maurice | Samuel, Rt. Hon. H. L. (Cleveland) |
| Clough, William | Lewis, John Herbert | Samuel, J. (Stockton) |
| Clynes, John R. | Low, Sir F. (Norwich) | Scanlan, Thomas |
| Collins, Stephen (Lambeth) | Lundon, T. | Schwann, Rt. Hon. Sir C. E. |
| Compton-Rickett, Rt. Hon. Sir J. | Lyell, Charles Henry | Scott, A. MacCallum (Glas., Bridgeton) |
| Cornwall, Sir Edwin A. | Lynch, A. A. | Seely, Col. Rt. Hon. J. E. B. |
| Cory, Sir Clifford John | Macdonald, J. R. (Leicester) | Sheehy, David |
| Cotton, William Francis | Macdonald, J. M. (Falkirk Burghs) | Shortt, Edward |
| Crawshay-Williams, Eliot | McGhee, Richard | Simon, Sir John Allsebrook |
| Crooks, William | Macnamara, Rt. Hon. Dr. T. J. | Smith, Albert (Lancs., Clitheroe) |
| Crumley, Patrick | MacNeill, John G. S. (Donegal, South) | Snowden, P. |
| Davies, E. William (Eifion) | Macpherson, James Ian | Soames, Arthur Wellesley |
| Davies, Timothy (Lincs., Louth) | MacVeagh, Jeremiah | Spicer, Sir Albert |
| Delany, William | McKenna, Rt. Hon. Reginald | Strauss, Edward A. (Southwark, West) |
| Derman, Hon. Richard Douglas | M'Laren, Hon. H. D. (Leics.) | Taylor, John W. (Durham) |
| Devlin, Joseph | M'Laren, Hon. F. W. S. (Lincs., Spalding) | Taylor, Theodore C. (Radcliffe) |
| Dickinson, W. H. | M'Micking, Major Gilbert | Tennant, Harold John |
| Dillon, John | Markham, Sir Arthur Basil | Thorne, G. R. (Wolverhampton) |
| Donelan, Captain A. | Marks, Sir George Croydon | Trevelyan, Charles Philips |
| Doris, W. | Marshall, Arthur Harold | Ure, Rt. Hon. Alexander |
| Duffy, Willim J. | Mason, David M. (Coventry) | Verney, Sir Harry |
| Duncan, C. (Barrow-in-Furness) | Masterman, C. F. G. | Walsh, Stephen (Lancs., Ince) |
| Edwards, Sir Francis (Radnor) | Meagher, Michael | Walton, Sir Joseph |
| Elibank, Rt. Hon. Master of | Meehan, Francis E. (Leitrim, N.) | Ward, John (Stoke-upon-Trent) |
| Elverston, Sir Harold | Menzies, Sir Walter | Wardle, George J. |
| Esmonde, Dr. John (Tipperary, N.) | Molloy, M. | Waring, Walter |
| Ferens, Rt. Hon. Thomas Robinson | Molteno, Percy Alport | Warner, Sir Thomas Courtenay |
| Ffrench, Peter | Morgan, George Hay | Wason, Rt. Hon. E. (Clackmannan) |
| Fiennes, Hon. Eustace Edward | Morrell, Philip | Wason, John Cathcart (Orkney) |
| Flavin, Michael Joseph | Morton, Alpheus Cleophas | Watt, Henry A. |
| Furness, Stephen W. | Munro, R. | Webb, H. |
| Gelder, Sir W. A. | Munro-Ferguson, Rt. Hon. R. C. | White, Sir Luke (Yorks, E. R.) |
| Gill, A. H. | Murray, Capt. Hon. A. C. | White, Patrick (Meath, North) |
| Gladstone, W. G. C. | Nannetti, Joseph P. | Whitehouse, John Howard |
| Goddard, Sir Daniel Ford | Neilson, Francis | Whittaker, Rt. Hon. Sir Thomas P. |
| Goldstone, Frank | Nicholson, Sir Charles N. (Doncaster) | Wiles, Thomas |
| Greenwood, Granville G. (Peterborough) | Nolan, Joseph | Wilkie, Alexander |
| Greenwood, Hamar (Sunderland) | Norman, Sir Henry | Williams, P. (Middlesbrough) |
| Guest, Major Hon. C. H. C. (Pembroke) | Norton, Capt. Cecil W. | Wilson, Hon. G. G. (Hull, W.) |
| Guest, Hon. Frederick E. (Dorset, E.) | Nuttall, Harry | Wilson, W. T. (Westhoughton) |
| Gwynn, Stephen Lucius (Galway) | O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny) | Yoxall, Sir James Henry |
| Hackett, John | O'Connor, John (Kildare, N.) | |
| Hancock, J. G. | O'Connor, T. P. (Liverpool) | TELLERS FOR THE NOES.—Mr. Illingworth and Mr. Gultand. |
| Harcourt, Robert V. (Montrose) | O'Donnell, Thomas | |
| Hardie, J. Keir (Merthyr Tydvil) | O'Dowd, John |
§ Sir RUFUS ISAACSclaimed, "That the original Question be now put."
§ Original Question put accordingly.
| Division No. 18.] | AYES. | [7.30 p.m. |
| Abraham, William (Dublin Harbour) | Hardie, J. Keir | O'Kelly, Edward P. (Wicklow, W.) |
| Acland, Francis Dyke | Harmsworth, Cecil (Luton, Beds.) | O'Malley, William |
| Addison, Dr. Christopher | Harmsworth, R. L. (Caithness-shire) | O'Neill, Dr. Charles (Armagh, S.) |
| Agnew, Sir George William | Harvey, A. G. C. (Rochdale) | O'Shaughnessy, P. J. |
| Armitage, Robert | Harvey, T. E. (Leeds, W.) | O'Sullivan, Timothy |
| Baker, Joseph Allen (Finsbury, E.) | Harvey, W. E. (Derbyshire, N. E.) | Palmer, Godfrey Mark |
| Balfour, Sir Robert (Lanark) | Haslam, Lewis (Monmouth) | Parker, James (Halifax) |
| Baring, Sir Godfrey (Barnstaple) | Havelock-Allan, Sir Henry | Pearce, Robert (Staffs, Leek) |
| Barran, Rowland Hurst (Leeds, N.) | Hayden, John Patrick | Pearce, William (Limehouse) |
| Beale, W. P. | Henderson, Arthur (Durham) | Pease, Rt. Hon. Joseph A. (Rotherham) |
| Beauchamp, Sir Edward | Henry, Sir Charles | Phillips, John (Longford, S.) |
| Beck, Arthur Cecil | Higham, John Sharp | Pirie, Duncan V. |
| Benn, W. W. (T. H'mts., St. George) | Hodge, John | Pollard, Sir George H. |
| Bentham, G. J. | Hogge, James Myles | Power, Patrick Joseph |
| Bethell, Sir J. H. | Holmes, Daniel Thomas | Pringle, William M. R. |
| Birrell, Rt. Hon. Augustine | Holt, Richard Durning | Radford, G. H. |
| Black, Arthur W. | Howard, Hon. Geoffrey | Raphael, Sir Herbert H. |
| Boland, John Pius | Hudson, Walter | Rea, Walter Russell (Scarborough) |
| Booth, Frederick Handel | Hughes, S. L. | Reddy, Michael |
| Bowerman, C. W. | Isaacs, Rt. Hon. Sir Rufus | Rendall, Athelstan |
| Brady, Patrick Joseph | Jardine, Sir J. (Roxburgh) | Richardson, Thomas (Whitehaven) |
| Brocklehurst, W. B. | John, Edward Thomas | Roberts, G. H. (Norwich) |
| Brunner, J. F. L. | Jones, Edgar R. (Merthyr Tydvil) | Roberts, Sir J. H. (Denbighs) |
| Bryce, J. Annan | Jones, H. Haydn (Merioneth) | Robertson, Sir G. Scott (Bradford) |
| Buckmaster, Stanley O. | Jones, Leif Stratten (Notts, Rushcliffe) | Robertson, J. M. (Tyneside) |
| Burke, E. Haviland- | Jones, William (Carnarvonshire) | Robinson, Sidney |
| Burns, Rt. Hon. John | Jowett, F. W. | Roch, Walter F. |
| Buxton, Noel (Norfolk, N.) | Joyce, Michael | Roche, Augustine (Louth) |
| Byles, Sir William Pollard | Keating, M. | Rose, Sir Charles Day |
| Cawley, Sir Frederick (Prestwich) | Lambert, Rt. Hon. G. (Devon, S. Molton) | Rowlands, James |
| Cawley, Harold T. (Heywood) | Lambert, Richard (Wilts, Cricklade) | Rowntree, Arnold |
| Chancellor, H. G. | Lawson, Sir W. (Cumb'l'nd, Cockerm'th) | Runciman, Rt. Hon. Walter |
| Chapple, Dr. W. A. | Leach, Charles | Russell, Rt. Hon. Thomas W. |
| Clancy, John Joseph | Levy, Sir Maurice | Samuel, Rt. Hon. H. L. (Cleveland) |
| Clough, William | Lewis, John Herbert | Samuel, J. (Stockton-on-Tees) |
| Clynes, J. R. | Low, Sir F. (Norwich) | Scanlan, Thomas |
| Collins, Stephen (Lambeth) | Lundon, T. | Schwann, Rt. Hon. Sir Charles E. |
| Compton-Rickett, Rt. Hon. Sir J. | Lyell, Charles Henry | Scott, A. MacCallum (Glas., Bridgeton) |
| Cornwall, Sir Edwin A. | Lynch, A. A. | Seely, Col. Rt. Hon. J. E. B. |
| Cory, Sir Clifford John | Macdonald, J. R. (Leicester) | Sheehy, David |
| Cotton, William Francis | Macdonald, J. M. (Falkirk Burghs) | Shortt, Edward |
| Crawshay-Williams, Eliot | McGhee, Richard | Simon, Sir John Allsebrook |
| Crooks, William | Macnamara, Rt. Hon. Dr. T. J. | Smith, Albert (Lancs., Clitheroe) |
| Crumley, Patrick | MacNeill, John G. S. (Donegal, South) | Snowden, Philip |
| Davies, E. William (Eifion) | Macpherson, James Ian | Soames, Arthur Wellesley |
| Davies, Timothy (Lincs., Louth) | McKenna, Rt. Hon. Reginald | Spicer, Sir Albert |
| Delany, William | M'Laren, Hon. H. D. (Leics.) | Strauss, Edward A. (Southwark, West) |
| Denman, Hon. Richard Douglas | M'Laren, Hon. F. W. S. (Lincs., Spalding) | Taylor, John W. (Durham) |
| Devlin, Joseph | M'Micking, Major Gilbert | Taylor, T. C. (Radcliffe) |
| Dickinson, W. H. | Markham, Sir Arthur Basil | Tennant, Harold John |
| Dillon, John | Marks, Sir George Croydon | Thorne, G. R. (Wolverhampton) |
| Donelan, Captain A. | Marshall, Arthur Harold | Trevelyan, Charles Philips |
| Doris, William | Mason, David M. (Coventry) | Ure, Rt. Hon. Alexander |
| Duffy, William J. | Masterman, C. F. G. | Verney, Sir Harry |
| Duncan, C. (Barrow-in-Furness) | Meagher, Michael | Walsh, Stephen (Lancs., Ince) |
| Edwards, Sir Francis (Radnor) | Meehan, Francis E. (Leitrim, N.) | Walton, Sir Joseph |
| Elibank, Rt. Hon. Master of | Menzies, Sir Walter | Ward, John (Stoke-upon-Trent) |
| Elverston, Sir Harold | Molloy, Michael | Wardle, George J. |
| Esmonde, Dr. John (Tipperary, N.) | Molteno, Percy Alport | Waring, Walter |
| Ferens, Rt. Hon. Thomas Robinson | Morgan, George Hay | Warner, Sir T. C. T. |
| Ffrench, Peter | Morrell, Philip | Wason, Rt. Hon. E. (Clackmannan) |
| Flavin, Michael Joseph | Morton, Alpheus Cleophas | Wason, John Cathcart (Orkney) |
| Furness, Stephen | Munro, Robert | Watt, Henry A. |
| Gelder, Sir W. A. | Munro-Ferguson, Rt. Hon. R. C. | Webb, H. |
| Gill, A. H. | Murray, Captain Hon. A. C. | White, Sir Luke (Yorks, E. R.) |
| Gladstone, W. G. C. | Nannetti, Joseph P. | White, Patrick (Meath, North) |
| Goddard, Sir Daniel Ford | Neilson, Francis | Whitehouse, John Howard |
| Goldstone, Frank | Nicholson, Sir Charles N. (Doncaster) | Whittaker, Rt. Hon. Sir Thomas P. |
| Greenwood, Granville G. (Peterborough) | Nolan, Joseph | Wiles, Thomas |
| Greenwood, Hamar (Sunderland) | Norman, Sir Henry | Wilkie, Alexander |
| Griffith, Ellis J. | Norton, Captain Cecil W. | Williams, P. (Middlesbrough) |
| Guest, Major Hon. C. H. C. (Pembroke) | Nuttall, Harry | Wilson, Hon. G. G. (Hull, W.) |
| Guest, Hon. Frederick E. (Dorset, E.) | O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny) | Wilson, W. T. (Westhoughton) |
| Gwynn, Stephen Lucius (Galway) | O'Connor, John (Kildare, N.) | Yoxall, Sir James Henry |
| Hackett, John | O'Connor, T. P. (Liverpool) | |
| Hancock, J. G. | O'Donnell, Thomas | TELLERS FOR THE AYES.—Mr. Illingworth and Mr. Gulland. |
| Harcourt, Robert V. (Montrose) | O'Grady, James |
§ The committee divided: Ayes, 228; Noes, 133.
| NOES. | ||
| Agg-Gardner, James Tynte | Finlay, Rt. Hon. Sir Robert | Newdegate, F. A. |
| Aitken, Sir William Max | Flannery, Sir J. Fortescue | Newton, Harry Kottingham |
| Amery, L. C. M. S. | Fletcher, John Samuel (Hampstead) | Nicholson, William G. (Petersfield) |
| Anstruther-Gray Major William | Forster, Henry William | Nield, Herbert |
| Ashley, W. W. | Foster, Philip Staveley | O'Neill, Hon. A. E. B. (Antrim, Mid) |
| Astor, Waldorf | Gardner, Ernest | Orde-Powlett, Hon. W. G. A. |
| Baker, Sir Randolf L. (Dorset, N.) | Gastrell, Major W. H. | Ormsby-Gore, Hon. William |
| Balcarres, Lord | Gibbs, George Abraham | Pease, Herbert Pike (Darlington) |
| Banbury, Sir Frederick George | Gilmour, Captain John | Peel, Captain R. F. (Woodbridge) |
| Banner, John S. Harmood- | Goldman, C. S. | Peto, Basil Edward |
| Baring, Maj. Hon. Guy V. (Winchester) | Goldsmith, Frank | Pollock, Ernest Murray |
| Barlow, Montague (Salford, South) | Gordon, John (Londonderry, South) | Pryce-Jones, Col. E. |
| Barnston, Harry | Gordon, Hon. John Edward (Brighton) | Rolleston, Sir John |
| Bathurst, Hon. A. B. (Glouc, E.) | Goulding, Edward Alfred | Rutherford, Watson (L'pool, W. Derby) |
| Bathurst, Charles (Wilton) | Guinness, Hon. W. E. | Samuel, Sir Harry (Norwood) |
| Beckett, Hon. Gervase | Gwynne, R. S. (Sussex, Eastbourne) | Sanders, Robert A. |
| Benn, Arthur Shirley (Plymouth) | Hambro, Angus Valdemar | Sanderson, Lancelot |
| Bennett-Goldney, Francis | Hamersley, Alfred St. George | Sandys, G. J. (Somerset, Wells) |
| Bentinck, Lord H. Cavendish- | Hardy, Rt. Hon. Laurence | Spear, Sir John Ward |
| Bigland, Alfred | Harris, Henry Percy | Stanier, Beville |
| Bird, Alfred | Helmsley, Viscount | Stanley, Hon. G. F. (Preston) |
| Boles, Lieut.-Col. Dennis Fortescue | Henderson, Major H. (Berks) | Staveley-Hill, Henry |
| Boscawen, Sir Arthur S. T. Griffith- | Hills, John Waller | Stewart, Gershom |
| Boyle, W. Lewis (Norfolk, Mid) | Hill-Wood, Samuel | Sykes, Alan John (Ches., Knutsford) |
| Boyton, James | Hoare, S. J. G. | Talbot, Lord E. |
| Brassey, H. Leonard Campbell | Hohler, G. F. | Terrell, G. (Wilts, N. W.) |
| Bridgeman, William Clive | Hope, Harry (Bute) | Thomson, W. Mitchell- (Down, N.) |
| Burn, Col. C. R. | Hope, James Fitzalan (Sheffield) | Touche, George Alexander |
| Butcher, J. G. | Horner, A. L. | Valentia, Viscount |
| Campbell, Capt. Duncan F. (Ayr, N.) | Houston, Robert Paterson | Walker, Colonel William Hall |
| Cassel, Felix | Joynson-Hicks, William | Walrond, Hon. Lionel |
| Castlereagh, Viscount | Kerr-Smiley, Peter Kerr | Ward, A. S. (Herts, Watford) |
| Cator, John | Kinloch-Cooke, Sir Clement | Weigall, Captain A. G. |
| Cave, George | Lane-Fox, G. R. | Wheler, Granville C. H. |
| Cecil, Evelyn (Aston Manor) | Law, Rt. Hon. A. Bonar (Bootle) | White, Major G. D. (Lancs., Southport) |
| Cecil, Lord R. (Herts, Hitchin) | Lewisham, Viscount | Willoughby, Major Hon. Claud |
| Coates, Major Sir Edward Feetham | Lloyd, George Ambrose | Wolmer, Viscount |
| Courthope, George Loyd | Locker-Lampson, O. (Ramsey) | Wood, John (Stalybridge) |
| Craig, Charles Curtis (Antrim, S.) | Lyttelton, Rt. Hon. A. (St. Geo., Han. S.) | Worthington-Evans, L. |
| Craig, Captain James (Down, E.) | Lyttelton, Hon. J. C. (Droitwich) | Yate, Col. C. E. |
| Craik, Sir Henry | MacCaw, William J. MacGeagh | Younger, Sir George |
| Dalziel, Davison (Brixton) | Mackinder, H. J. | |
| Denniss, E. R. B. | McNeill, Ronald (Kent, St. Augustine's) | |
| Duke, Henry Edward | Morrison-Bell, Capt. E. F. (Ashburton) | TELLERS FOR THE NOES.—Mr. Remnant and Mr. Fell. |
| Faber, George D. (Clapham) | Mount, William Arthur | |
| Fetherstonhaugh, Godfrey | Neville, Reginald J. N. |