HC Deb 09 August 1911 vol 29 cc1137-8
Mr. GODFREY LOCKER-LAMPSON

asked whether the term minimum benefits employed in connection with the benefits set out under Clause 8 of the National Insurance Bill is a misnomer; whether these so-called minimum benfits are reducible under the operation of Clause 31, and will in certain eventualities not be paid; and whether the term average benefits would describe them more accurately?

Mr. LLOYD GEORGE

Having regard to the amount of margin allowed by the actuaries, I hope that the occurrence of a deficiency will be quite exceptional. Moreover, a society which through gross mismanagement or for any other reason has incurred a deficiency, has the option of meeting it by a levy instead of by a reduction of benefits. The term average benefits would be very misleading, since there is every reason to suppose that the aver- age benefits will substantially exceed those which have been termed the minimum.

Mr. G. LOCKER-LAMPSON

Is it not the case that in an appreciable number of cases a good deal less than the minimum benefits will be paid?

Mr. LLOYD GEORGE

No, I do not think so. On the contrary, I should put it the other way about: that in the vast majority of cases considerably more than the minimum benefits will be paid. I think it is perfectly safe to say that after consultation with the actuaries.