HC Deb 14 April 1910 vol 16 cc1531-5

" 1. That it is expedient that the House of Lords be disabled by Law from rejecting or amending a Money Bill, but that any such limitation by Law shall not be taken to diminish or qualify the existing rights and privileges of the House of Commons.

" For the purpose of ths Resolution a Bill shall be considered a Money Bill if, in

the opinion of the Speaker, it contains only provisions dealing with all or any of the following subjects, namely, the imposition, repeal, remission, alteration, or regulation of taxation; charges on the Consolidated Fund or the provision of money by Parliament; Supply; the appropriation, control, or regulation of public money; the raising or guarantee of any loan or the repayment thereof; or matters incidental to those subjects or any of them."

Question put, "That this House doth agree with the Committee in the said Resolution."

The House divided: Ayes, 340; Noes, 241.

Division No. 33.] AYES. [10.15 p.m.
Abraham, William Cawley, Harold T. (Heywood) Gibson, James P.
Addison, Dr. C. Chancellor, H. G. Gill, A. H.
Adkins, W. Ryland D. Channing, Sir Francis Allston Glanville, H. J.
Agar-Robartes, Hon. T. C. R. Chapple, Dr. W. A. Glover, Thomas
Alden, Percy Churchill, Rt. Hon. Winston S. Goddard, Sir Daniel Ford
Allen, Charles P. Clancy, John Joseph Greenwood, G. G.
Anderson, A. Clough, William Greig, Colonel J. W.
Armitage, R. Clynes, J. R. Grenfell, Cecil Alfred
Ashton, Thomas Gair Collins, G. P. (Greeneck) Grey, Rt. Hon. Sir Edward
Asquith, Rt. Hon. Herbert Henry Collins, Stephen (Lambeth) Griffith, Ellis J. (Anglesey)
Atherley-Jones, Llewellyn A. Collins, Sir Wm. J. (St. Pancras, W.) Gulland, John William
Baker, H. T. (Accrington) Compton-Rickett, Sir J. Gwynn, Stephen Lucius (Galway)
Baker, Joseph A. (Finsbury E.) Condon, Thomas Joseph Hackett, J.
Balfour, Robert (Lanark) Corbett, A. Cameron (Glasgow) Haldane, Rt. Hon. Richard B.
Barclay, Sir T. Cornwall, Sir Edwin A. Hall, Frederick (Normanton)
Barlow, Sir John E. Cowan, W. H. Hancock, J. G.
Barnes, G. N. Craig, Herbert J. (Tynemouth) Harcourt, Rt. Hon. L. (Rossendale)
Barran, Sir J. (Hawick) Crawshay-Williams, Eliot Hardie, J. Keir (Merthyr Tydvil)
Barran, Rowland Hirst (Leeds, N.) Crosfield, A. H. Harmsworth, R. L.
Barry, E. (Cork, S.) Crossley, Sir W. J. Harvey, A. G. C. (Rochdale)
Barry, Redmond J. (Tyrone, H.) Cullinan, J. Harvey, T. E. (Leeds, W.)
Barton, William Dalziel, Sir James H. (Kirkcaldy) Harvey, W. E. (Derbyshire, N.E.)
Beale, W. P. Davies, Sir W. Howell (Bristol, S.) Harwood, George
Belloc, Hillars Joseph Peter R. Dawes, J. A. Harlam, Lewis (Monmouth)
Benn, W. (Tower Hamlets, St. Gee.) Delany, William Havelock-Allan, Sir Henry
Bentham, G. J. Denman, Hon. R. D. Haworth, Arthur A.
Bethell, Sir J. H Dewar, Sir J. A. (Inverness) Hayden, John Patrick
Birrell, Rt. Hon. Augustine Dickinson, W. H. (St Pancras, N.) Hayward, Evan
Black, Arthur W. Donelan, Captain A. Hazleton, Richard
Boland, John Plus Doris, W. Healy, Maurice (Cork, N.E.)
Bowerman, C. W. Duffy, William J. Healy, Timothy Michael
Boyle, D. (Mayo, M.) Duncan, C. (Barrow-In-Furnets) Helme, Norval Watson
Brady, P. J. Duncan, J. Hastings (York, Otley) Henderson, Arthur (Durham)
Brigg, Sir John Dunn, A. (Camborne) Henderson, J. M. (Aberdeen, W.)
Brocklehurst, W. B. Edwards, Enoch Henry, Charles S.
Burke, E. Havlland- Elverston, H. Herbert, Col. Sir Ivor
Burns, Rt. Hon. John Esmonde, Sir Thomas Higham, John Sharp
Burt, Rt. Hon. Thomas Falconer, J. Hindle, F. G.
Buxten, C. R. (Devon, Mid) Ferens, T. R. Hobhouse, Rt. Hon. Charles E. H.
Buxton, Noel (Norfolk, N.) Firench, Peter Hodge, John
Buxton, Rt. Hen. Sydney C. (Poplar) Flavin, Michael Joseph Hogan, Michael
Byles, William Pollard France, G. A. Hooper, A. G.
Cameron, Robert Furness, Sir Christopher Hope, John Deans (File, West)
Carr-Gomm, H. W. Gelder, Sir W. A. Home, C. Silvester (Ipswich)
Cawley, Sir Frederick (Prestwich) Gibbins, F. W. Howard, Hon. Geoffrey
Hudson, Walter Nolan, Joseph Shaw, Sir C. E.
Hughes, S. L. Norton, Capt. Cecil W. Sheehy, David
Hunter, W. (Govan) Nugent, Sir Walter Richard Sherwell, Arthur James
Illingworth, Percy H. Nussey, Sir Wilians Shortt, Edward
Isaacs, Sir Rutus Daniel Nuttall, Harry Simon, John Allsebrook
Jardine, Sir J. (Roxburgh) O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny) Smyth, Thomas F. (Leitrlm, S.)
Johnson, W. O'Connor, John (Kildare, N.) Soames, Arthur Wellesley
Jones, Sir D. Brynmor (Swansea) O'Connor, T. P. (Liverpool) Soares, Ernest J.
Jones, Edgar (Merthyr Tydvil) O'Doherty, Philip Spicer, Sir Albert
Jones, H. Haydn (Merioneth) O'Donnell, John (Mayo, S.) Stanley, Albert (Staffs, N.W.)
Jones, William (Carnarvonshire) O'Donnell, T. (Kerry, W.) Strachey, Sir Edward
Jowett, F. W. O'Dowd, John Summers, James Woolley
Joyce, Michael Ogden, Fred Sutherland, J. E.
Keating, M. O'Kelly, Edward P. (Wicklow, W.) Sutton, John E.
Kelly, Edward O'Kelly, James (Roscommen, N.) Taylor, John W. (Durham)
Kemp, Sir G. O'Malley, William Taylor, Theodore C. (Radcliffe)
Kennedy, Vincent Paul O'Neill, Charles (Armagh, S.) Tennant, Harold John
Kettle, Thomas Michael O'Shaughnessey, P. J. Thomas, Abel (Carmarthen, E.)
Kilbride, Denis O'Sultivan, Eugene Thomas, Sir A. (Glamorgan, E.)
King, J. (Somerset, N.) Parker, James (Halifax) Thomas, J. H. (Derby)
Lambert, George Pearce, William Thorne, G. R. (Wolverhampton)
Lardner, James Carrige Rushe Pearson, Weetman H. M. Thorne, William (West Ham)
Law, Hugh A. (Donegal, W.) Pease, Rt. Hon. Joseph A. Toulmln, George
Layland-Barratt, Sir Francis Philipps, Col. Ivor (Southampton) Trevelyan, Charles Philips
Leach, Charles Philippe, Sir Owen C. (Pembroke) Twist, Henry
Lehmann, R. C. Phillips, John (Longford, S.) Ure, Rt. Hon. Alexander
Levy, Sir Maurice Pickersgill, Edward Hare Verney, F. W.
Lewis, John Herbert Pirle, Duncan V. Vivian, Henry
Lincoln, Ignatius T. T. Pointer, Joseph Wadsworth, J.
Lloyd-George, Rt. Hon. David Pollard, Sir George, H. Walker, H. De R. (Leicester)
Lough, Rt. Hen. Thomas Ponsonby, Arthur A. W. H. Walsh, Stephen
Low, Sir F. A. (Norwich) Power, Patrick Joseph Walters, John Tudor
Lundon, T. Price, C. E. (Edinburgh, Central) Walton, Joseph
Luttrell, Hugh Fownes Price, Sir Robert J. (Norfolk, E.) Ward, John (Stoke-upon-Trent)
Lynch, A. A. Priestley, Sir W. E. B. (Bradford, E.) Ward, W. Dudley (Southampton)
Macdonald, J. R. (Leicester) Primrose, Hon. Neil James Wardle, George J.
Macdonald, J. M. (Falkirk Burghs) Pringle, William M. R. Warner, Thomas Courtenay T.
Macnamara, Dr. Thomas J. Radford, G. H. Wason, Rt. Hon. E. (Clackmannan)
MacNeill, John Gordon Swift Raffan, Peter Wilson Wason, John Cathcart (Orkney)
MacVeagh, Jeremiah Rainy, A. Rolland Waterlow, D. S.
M'Callum, John M. Raphael, Herbert H. Wedgwood, Josiah C.
M'Curdy, C. A. Rea, Walter Russell Weir, James Galloway
McKenna, Rt. Hon. Reginald Reddy, M. White, Sir George (Norfolk)
M'Laren, Rt. Hon. Sir C. B. (Leices.) Reamond, John E. (Waterford) White, J. Dundas (Dumbartonshire)
Mailet, Charles E. Redmond, William (Clare) White, Sir Luke (York, E.R.)
Manfield, Harry Rees, J. D. White, Patrick (Meath, North)
Markham, Arthur Basil Rendall, Athelstan Whitehouse, John Howard
Marks, G. Croydon Richards, Thomas Whittaker, Rt. Hon. Sir Thomas P.
Masterman, C. F. G. Roberts, Charles H. (Lincoln) Whyte, Alexander F. (Perth)
Meagher, Michael Roberts, G. H. (Norwich) Wiles, Thomas
Meehan, Francis E. (Leitrim, N.) Roberts, Sir J. H. (Denbigh) Williams, A. N. (Plymouth)
Meehan, Patrick A. (Queen's Co.) Robertson, Sir G. Scott (Bradford) Williams, J. (Glamorgan)
Menzles, Sir Walter Robertson, J. M. (Tyneside) Williams, P. (Middlesbrough)
Middlebrook, William Robinson, S. Wilson, Hon. G. G. Hull, W.)
Millar, J. D. Robson, Sir William Snowden Wilson, Henry J. (York, W.B.)
Molloy, M. Roch, Walter F. (Pembroke) Wilson, John (Durham, Mid)
Molteno, Percy Alport Roche, Augustine (Cork) Wilson, J. W. (Worcestershire, N.)
Mond, Alfred Moritz Roche, John (Galway, East) Wilson, T. F. (Lanark, N.E.)
Montagu, Hon. C S. Roe, Sir Thomas Wilson, W. T. (Westhoughton)
Mooney, J. J. Rowntree, Arnold Winfrey, Richard
Morqan, G. Hay (Cornwall) Runciman, Rt. Hon. Walter Wing, Thomas
Morgan, J. Lloyd (Carmarthel) Samuel, Rt. Hon. H. L. (Cleveland) Wood, T. M'Kinnon (Glasgow)
Morton, Alpheus Cleophas Samuel, J. (Stockton) Young, Samuel (Cavan, E.)
Muldoon, John Samuel, S. M. (Whitechapel) Younger, W. (Peebles and Selkirk)
Munro, R. Scanian, Thomas Yoxall, Sir James Henry
Murray, Captain Hon. A. C. Schwann, Sir C. E.
Muspratt, M. Scott, A. H. (Ashton-under-Lyne)
Nannetti, Joseph P. Seddon, J. TELLERS FOR THE AYES.—Master
Nellson, Francis Seely, Col. Right Hon. J. E. B. of Elibank and Mr. Fuller.
Nicholson, Charles N. (Dencaster) Shackleton, David James
NOES.
Adam, Major W. A. Banbury, Sir Frederick George Bird, A.
Anson, Sir William Reynell Banner, John S. Harmood- Boyle, W. L. (Norfolk, Mid)
Archer-Shee, Major M. Barnston, H. Boyton, J.
Arkwright, John Stanhope Barrie, H. T. (Londonderry, N.) Brackenbury, Henry Langton
Bagot, Captain J. Bathurst, Hon. A. B. (Glouc, E.) Brassey, H. L. C. (N'thamptonshire, H.)
Baird, J. L. Bathurst, Charles (Wilton) Brassey, Capt. R. (Banbury)
Baker, Sir R. L. (Dorset, H.) Beach, Hon. Michael Hugh Hicks Bridgeman, W. Clive
Balcarres, Lord Beckett, Hon. W. Gervase Brotherton, E. A.
Baldwin, Stanley Benn, I. H. (Greenwich) Brunskill, G. F
Balfour, Rt. Men. A. J. (City, Lend.) Bentinck, lard H. Cavendles Bull, Sir William James
Burdett-Coutts, W. Hamilton, Marquess of (Londonderry) O'Neill, Hon. A. E. B. (Antrim, Mid)
Butcher, J G. (York) Hardy, Laurence (Kent, Ashford) Orde-Powlett, Hon. W. G. A.
Butcher, S. Henry (Cambridge Univ.) Harris, F. L. (Stepney) Ormsby-Gore, Hon. William
Calley, Colonel T. C. P. Harris, H. P. (Paddington, S.) Paget, Almeric Hugh
Campbell, Rt. Hon. J. H. M. Harrison-Broadley, H. B. Parker, Sir Gilbert (Gravetend)
Carllie, E. Mildred Heath, Col. A. H. Peel, Capt. R. F. (Woodbridge)
Carton, Rt. Hon. Sir Edward H. Heaton, John Henniker Peel, Hon. W. R. W. (Taunton)
Catlereagh, Viscount Helmsley, Viscount Perkins, Walter F.
Cator, John Henderson, H. (Berks, Abingdon) Peto, Basil Edward
Cautley, H. S. Hermon-Hodge, Sir Robert Pollock, Ernest Murray
Cave, George Hickmann, Col. T. Pretyman, E. G.
Cecil, Evelyn (Anton Manor) Hill, Sir Clement Proby, Col. Douglas James
Cecil, Lord Hugh (Oxford University) Hillier, Dr. A. P. Quilter, William Eley C.
Chaloner, Colonel R. G. W. Hills, J. W. Randles, Sir John Scurrah
Chamberlain, Rt. Hon, J. A. (Worc'r.) Hoare, S. J. G. Rankin, Sir James
Chambers, J. Hohler, G. F. Ratcliff, Major R. F.
Clay, Captain H. H. Spender Hope, Harry (Bute) Rawlinson, John Frederick Peel
Clive, Percy Archer Hope, James Fitzalan (Sheffield) Rawson, Colonel R. H.
Coates, Major E. F. Horne, Wm. E. (Surrey, Guildford) Remnant, James Farquharson
Colefax, H. A. Homer, A L Rice, Hon. Walter F.
Compton, Lord A. (Brentford) Houston, Robert Paterson Ridley, Samuel Forde
Cooper, Capt. Bryan (Dublin, S.) Hume-Williams, W. E. Roberts, S. (Sheffield, Ecclesall)
Cooper, R. A. (Walsal) Hunt, Rowland Rolleston, Sir John
Courthope, G. Loyd Hunter, Sir C. R. (Bath) Ronaldshay, Earl of
Craig, Charles Curtis (Antrim, S.) Jackson, Sir J. (Devonport) Rothschild, Lionel de
Craig, Captain James (Down, E.) Jackson, John A. (Whitehaven) Rutherford, Watson
Craig, Norman (Kent) Jardine, E. (Somerset, E.) Salter, Arthur Clavell
Craik, Sir Henry Jessel, Captain H. M. Samuel, Sir Harry (Norwood)
Cripps, Sir C. A. Kerr-Smiley, Peter Sanders, Robert A.
Croft, H, P. Kerry, Earl of Sanderson, Lancelot
Daleymple, Viscount Keswick, William Sandys, G. J. (Somerset, Wells)
Dalziel, D. (Brixton) Kimber, Sir Henry Sandys, Lieut.-Col. T. M. (Bootie)
Dickson, Rt. Hon. C. Scott King, Sir Henry Seymour (Hull) Sassoon, Sir Edward Albert
Dixon, C. H. Kinloch-Cooke, Sir Clement Scott, Sir S. (Marylebone, W.)
Douglas, Rt. Hon. A. Akers- Knight, Capt. E. A. Stanier, Seville
Du Cros, Alfred (Tower Hamlets, Bow) Lane-Fox. G. R. Stanley, Hon. Arthur (Ormskirk)
Du Cros, Arthur P. (Hastings) Law, Andrew Bonar (Dulwich) Stanley, Hon. G. F. (Preston)
Duke, H. E. Lawson, Hon. Harry Starkey, John R.
Duncannon, Viscount Lee, Arthur H. Staveley-Hill, Henry (Staffordshire)
Dunn, Sir W. H. (Southwark) Lewisham, Viscount Steel-Maitland, A. D.
Eyres-Monsell, B. M. Llewelyn, Major Venables Stewart, Gershom (Ches. Wirral)
Faber, George Denison (Clapham) Lloyd, G. A. Stewart, Sir M'T. (Kirkcudbright)
Faber, Capt. W. V. (Hants, W.) Locker-Lampson. G. (Salisbury) Storey, Samuel
Falle, B. G. Lockwood, Rt. Hon. Lt.-Col. A. R. Strauss, A.
Fell, Arthur Long, Rt. Hon. Walter Sykes, Alan John
Fetherstonhaugh, Godfrey Lonsdale, John Brownlee Talbot, Lord E.
Finlay, Sir Robert Lowe, Sir F. W. (Birm., Edgbaston) Terrell, G. (Wilts, N.W.)
Fisher, W. Hayes Lyttelton, Rt. Hon. A. (Hanover Sq.) Terrell, H. (Gloucester)
Fitzroy, Hon. E. A. Lyttelton, Hon. J. C. (Droitwich) Thompson, Robert
Flannery, Sir J. Fortescue MacCaw, Wm. J. MacGeagh Thynne, Lord A.
Fleming, Valentine Mackinder, H. J. Tobin, Alfred Aspinall
Fletcher, J. S. Macmaster, Donald Tryon, Capt. George Clement
Foster, H. S. (Suffolk, N.) M'Arthur, Charles Verrall, George Henry
Foster, J. K. (Coventry) M'Calmont, Colonel James Walrond, Hon. Lionel
Foster, P. S. (Warwick, S.W.) Magnus, Sir Philip Ward, Arnold (Herts, Watford)
Gardner, Ernest Mallaby-Deeley, Harry Warde, Col. C. E. (Kent, Mid.)
Gastrell, Major W. H. Mason, J. F. Wheler, Granville C. H.
Gibbs, G. A. Middlemore, John Throgmorton White, Major G- D. (Lanes, Southport)
Gilmour, Captain J. Mildmay, Francis Birgham Williams. Col. R. (Dorset, W.)
Goldsmith, Frank Mills, Hon. Charles Thomas Willoughby, Major Hon. Claude
Gooch, Henry Cubitt Mitchell, William Foot Willoughby de Eresby, Lord
Gordon, J. Moore, William Wilson, A. Stanley (York, E.R.)
Goulding, Edward Alfred Morpeth, Viscount Winterton, Earl
Grant, J. A. Morrison, Captain J. A. Wolff, Gustav Wilhelm
Greene, W. R. Morrison-Bell, Major A. C. Wood, John (Stalybridge)
Guinness, Hon. W. E. Mount, William Arthur Worthington-Evans, L. (Colchester)
Gwynne, R. S. (Sussex, Eastbourne) Newdegate, F. A. Wortley, Rt. Hon. C. B. Stuart-
Haddock, George B. Newman, John R. P. Yerburgh, Robert
Hall, D. B. (Isle of Wight) Newton, Harry Kottingham
Hall. E. Marshall (Toxteth) Nicholson, Wm. G. (Petersfield) TELLERS FOR THE NOES.—Sir A.
Hambro, Angus Vaidemar Nield, Herbert Acland-Hood and Viscount Valentia.
Hamersley, A. St. George Norton-Griffiths, J. (Wednesbury)