HC Deb 16 September 1909 vol 10 cc2449-55

(1) Where a present tenancy was determined at any time before the passing of this Act, the Land Commission may, subject to the provisions of the Land Law Acts, on the application in the prescribed manner of any tenant in occupation of the lands comprised in the said present tenancy or of any portion of those lands, being either—

  1. (a) the person who was the tenant of the original holding at the time when the present tenancy was determined, or (if such person is dead)
  2. (b) a person who would have been entitled, whether under the will as one of the next-of-kin or issue of the said tenant, to the said holding or any distributive share therein had the present tenancy therein not been determined:
fix the fair rent in respect of the said lands or portion in like manner as if the applicant was a present tenant of the same, and the statutory term resulting from the fixing of such fair rent shall not nor shall the tenancy be determined by the expiration of any lease or tenancy existing at the date of such application, but shall continue in like manner as if such lease or tenancy were an existing

lease within the meaning of the Act of 1881.

(2) Any provision in any contract of tenancy or other instrument in any way prohibiting, restraining, or tending to prevent the fixing of a fair rent in respect of any holding to which this Section applies, shall be void.

(3) In this Section the expression "prescribed" means prescribed by rules made by the Land Commission under Section fifty of the Act of 1881 as amended by any subsequent enactment, and the expression "present tenancy" includes a tenancy which was determined at any time between the first day of January, eighteen hundred and Seventy-nine, and the passing of the Act of 1881.

Amendment proposed: After Sub-section (2) to insert the following new Sub-section: "(3) Where a present tenancy has been sold under a writ of execution and assigned by the sheriff to the landlord, or a trustee for the landlord, the tenancy shall, for the purposes of this Section, be deemed to have been determined."—[Mr. Birrell]

Question put, "That the Amendment be made."

The House divided: Ayes, 234; Noes, 48.

Division No. 679.] AYES. [11.25 p.m.
Abraham, William (Cork, N.E.) Condon, Thomas Joseph Glover, Thomas
Agar-Robartes, Hon. T. C. R. Cooper, G. J. Gooch, George Peabody (Bath)
Agnew, George William Corbett, A. Cameron (Glasgow) Gulland, John W.
Alden, Percy Corbett, C. H. (Sussex, E. Grinstead) Gwynn, Stephen Lucius
Allen, A. Acland (Christchurch) Cornwall, Sir Edwin A. Haldane, Rt. Hon. Richard B.
Allen, Charles P. (Stroud) Cotton, Sir H. J. S. Hancock, John George
Ambrose, Robert Cowan, W. H. Harcourt, Robert V. (Montrose)
Armitage, R. Crosfield, A. H. Hardy, George A. (Suffolk)
Baker, Joseph A. (Finsbury, E.) Cullinan, J. Harmsworth, R. L. (Caithness-shire)
Ballour, Robert (Lanark) Dalziel, Sir James Henry Harrington, Timothy
Baring, Godfrey (Isle of Wight) Davies, Timothy (Fulham) Harwood, George
Barlow, Sir John E. (Somerset) Davies, Sir W. Howell (Bristol, S.) Haworth, Arthur A.
Barnard, E. B. Delany, William Hazleton, Richard
Barran, Rowland Hirst (Leeds, N.) Dewar, Arthur (Edinburgh, S.) Healy, Maurice (Cork)
Barry, E. (Cork, S.) Dickinson, W. H. (St. Pancras, N.) Healy, T. M. (Louth, North)
Barry, Redmond J. (Tyrone, N.) Dillon, John Helme, Norval Watson
Beauchamp, E. Dobson, Thomas W. Henderson, Arthur (Durham)
Beaumont, Hon. Hubert Duffy, William J. Henry, Charles S.
Benn, Sir J. Williams (Devonport) Dunne, Major E. Martin (Walsall) Higham, John Sharp
Birrell, Rt. Hon. Augustine Edwards, Sir Francis (Radnor) Hogan, Michael
Black, Arthur W. Elibank, Master of Hooper, A. G.
Boland, John Erskine, David C. Horniman, Emslie John
Bowerman, C. W. Evans, Sir Samuel T. Hudson, Walter
Branch, James Everett, R. Lacey Hutton, Alfred Eddison
Brunner, J. F. L. (Lanes., Leigh) Falconer, James Idris, T. H. W.
Bryce, J. Annan Farrell, James Patrick Isaacs, Rufus Daniel
Buckmaster, Stanley O. Ffrench, Peter Johnson, John (Gateshead)
Burke, E. Haviland- Field, William Jones, Leif (Appleby)
Burns, Rt. Hon. John Flavin, Michael Joseph Jones, William (Carnarvonshire)
Burnyeat, W. J. D. Flynn, James Christopher Jordan, Jeremiah
Burt, Rt. Hon. Thomas Fuller, John Michael F. Joyce, Michael
Byles, William Pollard Fullerton, Hugh Kavanagh, Walter M.
Channing, Sir Francis Allston Furness, Sir Christopher Keating, Matthew
Cherry, Rt. Hon. R. R. Gibb, James (Harrow) Kekewich, Sir George
Clancy, John Joseph Gilhooly, James Kelley, George D.
Clough, William Gill, A. H. Kennedy, Vincent Paul
Clynes, J. R. Ginnell, L. Kilbride, Denis
Cobbold, Felix Thornley Gladstone, Rt. Hon. Herbert John King, Alfred John (Knutsford)
Collins, Stephen (Lambeth) Glendinning, R. G. Laidlaw, Robert
Lambert, George Norman, Sir Henry Roe, Sir Thomas
Lamont, Norman Nugent, Sir Walter Richard Rutherford, V. H. (Brentford)
Lardner, James Carrige Rushe Nussey, Sir Willans Samuel, Rt. Hon. H. L. (Cleveland)
Law, Hugh A. (Donegal, W.) Nuttall, Harry Scanlan, Thomas
Layland-Barratt, Sir Francis O'Brien, Kendal (Tipperary, Mid) Scarisbrick, Sir T. T. L.
Lehmann, R. C. O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny) Schwann, C. Duncan (Hyde)
Lewis, John Herbert O'Connor, John (Kildare, N.) Schwann, Sir C. E. (Manchester)
Lundon, Thomas O'Connor, T. P. (Liverpool) Seely, Colonel
Luttrell, Hugh Fownes O'Doherty, Philip Shackleton, David James
Lynch, Arthur Alfred (Clare, W.) O'Donnell, John (Mayo, S.) Sheehan, Daniel Daniel
Macdonald, J. R. (Leicester) O'Donnell, T. (Kerry, W.) Sheehy, David
Macdonald, J. M. (Falkirk Burghs) O'Dowd, John Smyth, Thomas F. (Leitrim, S.)
Maclean, Donald O'Kelly, Conor (Mayo, N.) Snowden, P.
MacNeill, John Gordon Swift O'Kelly, James (Roscommon, N.) Soares, Ernest J.
Macpherson, J. T. O'Malley, William Stewart-Smith, D. (Kendal)
MacVeagh, Jeremiah (Down, S.) O'Shaughnessy, P. J. Strachey, Sir Edward
MacVeigh, Charles (Donegal, E.) O'Shee, James John Summerbell, T.
M'Kean, John Parker, James (Halifax) Taylor, John W. (Durham)
M'Laren, Rt. Hon. Sir C. B. (Leicester) Partington, Oswald Tennant, Sir Edward (Salisbury)
M'Laren, H. D. (Stafford, W.) Pearce, Robert (Staffs, Leek) Tennant, H. J. (Berwickshire)
M'Micking, Major G. Phillips, John (Longford, S.) Thomas, Abel (Carmarthen, E.)
Maddison, Frederick Pickersgill, Edward Hare Verney, F. W.
Mallet, Charles E. Pointer, Joseph Vivian, Henry
Marnham, F. J. Ponsonby, Arthur A. W. H. Walters, John Tudor
Meagher, Michael Power, Patrick Joseph Wardle, George J.
Meehan, Francis E. (Leitrim, N.) Priestley, Sir W. E. B. (Bradford, E.) Waring, Walter
Meehan, Patrick A. (Queen's Co.) Radford, G. H. Warner, Thomas Courtenay T.
Menzies, Sir Walter Rainy, A. Holland Wason, Rt. Hon. E. (Clackmannan)
Molteno, Percy Alport Raphael, Herbert H. Watt, Henry A.
Mooney, J. J. Rea, Rt. Hon. Russell (Gloucester) White, J. Dundas (Dumbartonshire)
Morgan, J. Lloyd (Carmarthen) Reddy, M. White, Sir Luke (York, E.R.)
Morrell, Philip Redmond, John E. (Waterford) White, Patrick (Meath, North)
Morton, Alpheus Cleophas Redmond, William (Clare) Whittaker, Rt. Hon. Sir Thomas P.
Muldoon, John Richards, T. F. (Wolverhampton) Wiles, Thomas
Murnaghan, George Roberts, Charles H. (Lincoln) Wilson, Hon. G. G. (Hull, W.)
Murphy, John Roberts, G. H. (Norwich) Wilson, W. T. (Westhoughton)
Nannetti, Joseph P. Robertson, Sir G. Scott (Bradford) Young, Samuel
Newnes, F. (Notts, Bassetlaw) Robson, Sir William Snowdon
Nicholls, George Roch, Walter F. (Pembroke) TELLERS FOR THE AYES.—Mr.
Nolan, Joseph Roche, Augustine (Cork) Joseph Pease and Captain Norton.
NOES.
Acland-Hood, Rt. Hon. Sir Alex. F. Craik, Sir Henry Lonsdale, John Brownlee
Balcarres, Lord Douglas, Rt. Hon. A. Akers- MacCaw, William J. MacGeagh
Banbury, Sir Frederick George Duncan, Robert (Lanark, Govan) M'Calmont, Colonel James
Banner, John S. Harmood- Fletcher, J. S. Moore, William
Barrie, H. T. (Londonderry, N.) Gordon, J. Rawlinson, John Frederick Peel
Bull, Sir William James Goulding, Edward Alfred Renton, Leslie
Butcher, Samuel Henry Gretton, John Roberts, S. (Sheffield, Ecclesall)
Carlile, E. Hildred Guinness, Hon. W. E. (Bury St. Edm.) Scott, Sir S. (Marylebone, W.)
Carson, Rt. Hon. Sir Edward H. Haddock, George B. Sheffield, Sir Berkeley George D.
Castlereagh, Viscount Harrison-Broadley, H. B. Staveley-Hill, Henry (Staffordshire)
Cecil, Evelyn (Aston Manor) Hay, Hon. Claude George Thomson, W. Mitchell (Lanark)
Clark, George Smith Hermon-Hodge, Sir Robert T. Valentia, Viscount
Clive, Percy Archer Hill, Sir Clement Wilson, A. Stanley (York, E.R.)
Coates, Major E. F. (Lewisham) Kerry, Earl of Wyndham, Rt. Hon. George
Corbett, T. L. (Down, North) Keswick, William
Craig, Charles Curtis (Antrim, S.) Lambton, Hon. Frederick Wm. TELLERS FOR THE NOES.—Mr.
Craig, Capt. James (Down, E.) Long, Rt. Hon. Walter (Dublin, S.) Forster and Marquess of Hamilton.
Mr. BIRRELL

moved to leave out "a" ["includes a tenancy"], and to insert instead thereof the wards "any existing lease within the meaning of the Act of 1881, and any."

Question put, "That the Amendment be made."

The House divided: Ayes, 227; Noes, 46.

Division No. 680.] AYES. [11.35 p.m.
Abraham, William (Cork, N.E.) Barry, E. (Cork, S.) Burke, E. Haviland-
Agar-Robartes, Hon. T. C. R. Barry, Redmond J. (Tyrone, N.) Burns, Rt. Hon. John
Agnew, George William Beauchamp, E. Burnyeat, W. J. D.
Allen, A. Acland (Christchurch) Beaumont, Hon. Hubert Burt, Rt. Hon. Thomas
Allen, Charles P. (Stroud) Benn, Sir J. Williams (Devonport) Byles, William Pollard
Ambrose, Robert Birrell, Rt. Hon. Augustine Channing, Sir Francis Allston
Armitage, R. Black, Arthur W. Cherry, Rt. Hon. R. R.
Baker, Joseph A. (Finsbury, E.) Boland, John Clancy, John Joseph
Balfour, Robert (Lanark) Bowerman, C. W. Clough, William
Baring, Godfrey (Isle of Wight) Branch, James Clynes, J. R.
Barlow, Sir John E. (Somerset) Brunner, J. F. L. (Lanes., Leigh) Cobbold, Felix Thornley
Bernard, E. B. Bryce, J. Annan Collins, Stephen (Lambeth)
Barran, Rowland Hirst (Leeds, N.) Buckmaster, Stanley O. Condon, Thomas Joseph
Cooper, G. J. Jordan, Jeremiah O'Kelly, James (Roscommon, N.)
Corbett, C. H. (Sussex, E. Grinstead) Joyce, Michael O'Malley, William
Cornwall, Sir Edwin A. Kavanagh, Walter M. O'Shaughnessy, P. J.
Cotton, Sir H. J. S. Keating, Matthew O'Shee, James John
Cowan, W. H. Kekewich, Sir George Parker, James (Halifax)
Crosfield, A. H. Kelley, George D. Partington, Oswald
Cullinan, J. Kennedy, Vincent Paul Pearce, Robert (Staffs, Leek)
Dalziel, Sir James Henry Kilbride, Denis Philips, John (Longford, S.)
Davies, Timothy (Fulham) King, Alfred John (Knutsford) Pickersgill, Edward Hare
Davies, Sir W. Howell (Bristol, S.) Laidlaw, Robert Pointer, Joseph
Delany, William Lambert, George Ponsenby, Arthur A. W. H.
Dewar, Arthur (Edinburgh, S.) Lamont, Norman Power, Patrick Joseph
Dickinson, W. H. (St. Pancras, N.) Lardner, James Carrige Rushe Priestley, Sir W. E. B. (Bradford, E.)
Dobson, Thomas W. Law, Hugh A. (Donegal, W.) Radford, G. H.
Duffy, William J. Layland-Barratt, Sir Francis Rainy, A. Rolland
Dunne, Major E. Martin (Walsall) Lehmann, R. C. Raphael, Herbert H.
Edwards, Sir Francis (Radnor) Lewis, John Herbert Rea, Rt. Hon. Russell (Gloucester)
Elibank, Master of Lundon, Thomas Reddy, M.
Erskine, David C. Luttrell, Hugh Fownes Redmond, John E. (Waterford)
Evans, Sir Samuel T. Lynch, Arthur Alfred (Clare, W.) Redmond, William (Clare)
Everett, R. Lacey Macdonald, J. R. (Leicester) Richards, T. F. (Wolverhampton)
Farrell, James Patrick Macdonald, J. M. (Falkirk Burghs) Roberts, Charles H. (Lincoln)
Ffrench, Peter Maclean, Donald Roberts, G. H. (Norwich)
Field, William Macnamara, Dr. Thomas J. Robertson, Sir G. Scott (Bradford)
Flavin, Michael Joseph MacNeill, John Gordon Swift Robson, Sir William Snowdon
Flynn, James Christopher Macpherson, J. T. Roch, Walter F. (Pembroke)
Fuller, John Michael F. MacVeagh, Jeremiah (Down, S.) Roche, Augustine (Cork)
Fullerton, Hugh MacVeigh, Charles (Donegal, E.) Roe, Sir Thomas
Furness, Sir Christopher M'Kean, John Rutherford, V. H. (Brentford)
Gibb, James (Harrow) McLaren, Rt. Hon. Sir C. B. (Leices.) Samuel, Rt. Hon. H. L. (Cleveland)
Gilhooly, James M'Laren, H. D. (Stafford, W.) Scanlan, Thomas
Gill, A. H. M'Micking, Major G. Scarisbrick, Sir T. T. L.
Ginnell, L. Maddison, Frederick Seely, Colonel
Gladstone, Rt. Hon. Herbert John Mallet, Charles E. Shackleton, David James
Glendinning, R. G. Marnham, F. J. Sheehan, Daniel Daniel
Glover, Thomas Meagher, Michael Sheehy, David
Gooch, George Peabody (Bath) Meehan, Francis E. (Leitrim, N.) Smyth, Thomas F. (Leitrim, S.)
Gulland, John W. Meehan, Patrick A. (Queen's Co.) Snowden, P.
Gwynn, Stephen Lucius Menzies, Sir Walter Stewart-Smith, D. (Kendal)
Haldane, Rt. Hon. Richard B. Molteno, Percy Alport Strachey, Sir Edward
Hancock, J. G. Mooney, J. J. Summerbell, T.
Harcourt, Robert V. (Montrose) Morgan, J. Lloyd (Carmarthen) Taylor, John W. (Durham)
Hardy, George A. (Suffolk) Morrell, Philip Tennant, Sir Edward (Salisbury)
Harmsworth, R. L. (Caithness-shire) Morton, Alpheus Cleophas Tennant, H. J. (Berwickshire)
Harrington, Timothy Muldoon, John Thomas, Abel (Carmarthen, E.)
Harwood, George Murnaghan, George Verney, F. W.
Haworth, Arthur A. Murphy, John Vivian, Henry
Hazleton, Richard Nannetti, Joseph P. Walters, John Tudor
Healy, Maurice (Cork) Newnes, F. (Notts, Bassetlaw) Waring, Walter
Healy, T. M. (Louth, North) Nicholls, George Warner, Thomas Courtenay T.
Helme, Norval Watson Nolan, Joseph Wason, Rt. Hon. E. (Clackmannan)
Henderson, Arthur (Durham) Norman, Sir Henry Watt, Henry A.
Henry, Charles S. Nugent, Sir Walter Richard White, J. Dundas (Dumbartonshire)
Higham, John Sharp Nussey, Sir Willans White, Sir Luke (York, E.R.)
Hogan, Michael Nuttall, Harry White, Patrick (Heath, North)
Hooper, A. G. O'Brien, Kendal (Tipperary, Mid) Whittaker, Rt. Hon. Sir Thomas P.
Horniman, Emslie John O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny) Wiles, Thomas
Hudson, Walter O'Connor, John (Kildare, N.) Wilson, Hon. G. G. (Hull, W.)
Hutton. Alfred Eddison O'Connor, T. P. (Liverpool) Wilson, W. T. (Westhoughton)
Idris, T. H. W. O'Doherty, Philip Young, Samuel
Isaacs, Rufus Daniel O'Donnell, John (Mayo, S.)
Johnson, John (Gateshead) O'Donnell, T. (Kerry, W.) TELLERS FOR THE AYES.—Mr.
Jones, Leif (Appleby) O'Dowd, John Joseph Pease and Captain Norton.
Jones, William (Carnarvonshire) O'Kelly, Conor (Mayo, N.)
NOES.
Acland-Hood, Rt. Hon. Sir Alex. F. Douglas, Rt. Hon. A. Akers- Lonsdale, John Brownlee
Banbury, Sir Frederick George Duncan, Robert (Lanark, Govan) MacCaw, William J. MacGeagh
Banner, John S. Harmood- Forster, Henry William M'Calmont, Colonel James
Barrie, H. T. (Londonderry, N.) Gordon, J. Moore, William
Bull, Sir William James Goulding, Edward Alfred Rawlinson, John Frederick Peel
Burdett-Coutts, W. Gretton, John Renton, Leslie
Butcher, Samuel Henry Guinness, Hon. W. E. (B. S. Edm'ds.) Roberts, S. (Sheffield, Ecclesall)
Carlile, E. Hildred Haddock, George B. Scott, Sir S. (Marylebone, W.)
Carson, Rt. Hon. Sir Edward H. Hamilton, Marquess of Sheffield, Sir Berkeley George D.
Castlereagh, viscount Harrison-Broadley, H. B. Staveley-Hill, Henry (Staffordshire)
Cecil, Evelyn (Aston Manor) Hay, Hon. Claude George Wilson, A. Stanley (York, E.R.)
Clark, George Smith Hermon-Hodge, Sir Robert T. Wyndham, Rt. Hon. George
Clive, Percy Archer Hill, Sir Clement
Coates, Major E. F. (Lewisham) Kerry, Earl of
Craig, Charles Curtis (Antrim, S.) Keswick, William TELLERS FOR THE NOES.—Viscount Valentia and Lord Balcarres.
Craig, Captain James (Down, E.) Lambton, Hon. Frederick Wm.
Craik, Sir Henry Long, Rt. Hon. Walter (Dublin, S.)

Question put, and agreed to.

SECOND SCHEDULE.
Acts Repealed.
Session and Chapter. Short Title. Extent of Repeal.
51 & 52 Vict. c. 49. The Purchase of Land (Ireland) Amendment Act, 1888. Section two, save as regards advances of pursuance agreements entered into before the passing of this Act.
54 & 55 Vict. c. 48. The Purchase of Land (Ireland) Act, 1891. Section thirty-four, from "consisting" to the end of the section, as from the appointed day.
56 & 57 Vict. c. 35. The Congested Districts Board (Ireland) Act, 1893. Sub-sections (2) and (3) of Section two.
3 Edw. 7 c. 37. The Irish Land Act, 1903. In Section one, Subsection (4), save as regards advances in pursuance of purchase agreements entered into before the passing of this Act.
Section two, save as regards sales of parcels of land in respect of which purchase agreements have bee a entered into before the passing of this Act.
In Sub-section (4) of Section six, the words, "with the consent of the owner."
Sub-section (3) of Section forty-three.
Section forty-four.
In Sub-section (1) of Section forty-seven, from "provided" to end of sub-section.
Sub-section (3) of Section forty-eight.
Section seventy-five.

Amendment made: After the words "forty-eight" ["Sub-section (3) of Section forty-eight"] to insert "Sub-sections (1), (2), and (3), of Section fifty-one."

Bill to be read the third time to-morrow (Friday.)