HC Deb 07 September 1909 vol 10 cc1088-9
Mr. YOUNGER

asked what allowance was made, in estimating the revenue from the new scale of Licence Duties, for a possible reduction of licensed houses m consequence of the increased charge; and what was estimated to be the number of houses so affected?

Mr. HOBHOUSE

In making his estimate of increased revenue from licences generally, my right hon. Friend did not overlook the probability that the higher duties would lead to a reduction in the number of licences; but he regrets that he cannot give a definite figure in the case of any particular licence.

Mr. GEORGE YOUNGER

Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that the Chancellor of the Exchequer said last week that due allowance had been made for this factor in the estimate, and, therefore, I asked what the estimate was, and no answer has been given?

Mr. HOBHOUSE

I do not think that it is possible to give a thoroughly accurate estimate in a case of this kind, where the reduction might be greater or lesser according to fluctuating circumstances so that only an approximate estimate can be given.

Mr. YOUNGER

I asked for the estimate which the right hon. Gentleman made, and he has not given it.

Mr. HOBHOUSE

My right hon. Friend says he regrets he cannot give that.

Lord ROBERT CECIL

Does the right hon. Gentleman say that the House of Commons is not to be given the estimate on which this tax is based?

Mr. HOBHOUSE

Yes, I think my right hon. Friend is entitled to make his own estimate, and I do not think that the Noble Lord is entitled necessarily to have that estimate given to him.

Lord ROBERT CECIL

I do not refer to myself, but to the House of Commons.