HC Deb 06 October 1909 vol 11 cc2154-7
s. d.
Cigars the lb. 4 2
Cigarettes the lb. 4 1
Cut, roll, cake, or other manufactured tobacco the lb. 4 0
Snuff (not being offal snuff) the lb. 3 10
Stalks, shorts, or other refuse of tobacco (including offal snuff) the lb. 3 9

In order to facilitate the arrangement at which we arrived last night, I would suggest to my hon. Friends on this side of the House that we should content ourselves with dividing against the Schedule, and should take the discussion on the Tobacco Duty when the Clause is recommitted, as proposed by the Government.


I can only say that if that meets the convenience of right hon. and hon. Gentlemen opposite, I shall be very glad to consent to the arrangement. The suggestion is that hon. Members should be content on the present occasion with dividing on the Schedule, and, that as the Government propose to recommit the Clause on the Report stage, there should be a full discussion on it later on.


Will the Amendments which have been put down be moved?


I cannot help thinking that the recommital on the Schedule would be the most convenient plan, because the Amendments could then be moved as they have been put down.


Can the right hon. Gentleman give us any indication of the date when the Clause is likely to be recommitted?


I have not had an opportunity of consulting the authorities of the House, but, subject to that, I should think the recommital would come before we take the Report stage of the Bill. In that case it will be taken the first thing on Tuesday week, October 19.


I think it would be for the convenience of the Committee if we knew whether the Government are going to commit the Clause and the Schedule as well.


I think, if I may say so, following the suggestion of the Chairman, that the best course we could take would be to recommit the Schedule, because every point can be raised on the Schedule.


I do not mind, so long

as it is understood what the Government intend doing.

Question put, "That the Schedule be the Fourth Schedule of the Bill."

The Committee divided: Ayes, 141; Noes, 71.

Division No. 783.] AYES. [1.25 a.m.
Acland, Francis Dyke Harcourt, Rt. Hon. L. (Rossendale) Pearce, Robert (Staffs, Leek)
Ainsworth, John Stirling Harcourt, Robert V. (Montrose) Philippe, Col. Ivor (Southampton)
Allen, Charles P. (Stroud) Harmsworth, Cecil B. (Worcester) Philipps, Owen C. (Pembroke)
Ashton, Thomas Gair Harmsworth, R. L. (Caithness-shire) Pollard, Dr. G. H.
Balfour, Robert (Lanark) Hedges, A. Paget Ponsonby, Arthur A. W. H.
Baring, Godfrey (Isle of Wight) Helme, Norval Watson Priestley, Sir W. E. B. (Bradford, E.)
Barker, Sir John Henderson, Arthur (Durham) Rendall, Athelstan
Barran, Rowland Hirst Henry, Charles S. Roberts, Charles H. (Lincoln)
Barry, Redmond J. (Tyrone, N.) Higham, John Sharp Robinson, S.
Beale, W. P. Hobart, Sir Robert Roe, Sir Thomas
Belloc, Hilaire Joseph Peter R. Hobhouse, Rt. Hon. Charles E. H. Rogers, F. E. Newman
Berridge, T. H. D. Horniman, Emslie John Rose, Sir Charles Day
Birrell, Rt. Hon. Augustine Howard, Hon. Geoffrey Rowlands, J.
Bowerman, C. W. Hyde, Clarendon G. Rutherford, V. H. (Brentford)
Brunner, J. F. L. (Lancs., Leigh) Illingworth, Percy H. Samuel, Rt. Hon. H. L. (Cleveland)
Burns, Rt. Hon. John Isaacs, Rufus Daniel Scott, A. H. (Ashton-under-Lyne)
Carr-Gomm, H. W. Jenkins, J. Seddon, J.
Cawley, Sir Frederick Jones, Leif (Appleby) Seely, Colonel
Channing, Sir Francis Allston King, Alfred John (Knutsford) Shackleton, David James
Clough, William Laidlaw, Robert Shaw, Sir Charles E. (Stafford)
Clynes, J. R. Lamont, Norman Sherwell, Arthur James
Collins, Stephen (Lambeth) Layland-Barratt, Sir Francis Silcock, Thomas Ball
Collins, Sir Wm. J. (St. Pancras, W.) Lehmann, R. C. Simon, John Allsebrook
Cooper, G. J. Lever, A. Levy (Essex, Harwich) Stanley, Hon. A. Lyulph (Cheshire)
Corbett, A. Cameron (Glasgow) Levy, Sir Maurice Strachey, Sir Edward
Corbett, C. H. (Sussex, E. Grinstead) Lewis, John Herbert Straus, B. S. (Mile End)
Cotton, Sir H. J. S. Lloyd-George, Rt. Hon. David Taylor, Theodore C. (Radcliffe)
Cowan, W. H. Lupton, Arnold Tennant, Sir Edward (Salisbury)
Crossley, William J. Macdonald, J. M. (Falkirk Burghs) Tennant, H. J. (Berwickshire)
Davies, David (Montgomery Co.) M'Laren, Sir C. B. (Leicester) Thomas, Abel (Carmarthen, E.)
Davies, Sir W. Howell (Bristol, S.) M'Laren, H. D. (Stafford, W.) Thomasson, Franklin
Dickinson, W. H. (St. Pancras, N.) Manfield, Harry (Northants) Toulmin, George
Duckworth, Sir James Markham, Arthur Basil Ure, Rt. Hon. Alexander
Duncan, J. Hastings (York, Otley) Marnham, F. J. Ward, W. Dudley (Southampton)
Dunn, A. Edward (Camborne) Massie, J. Wason, Rt. Hon. E. (Clackmannan)
Dunne, Major E. Martin (Walsall) Masterman, C. F. G. Wason, John Cathcart (Orkney)
Elibank, Master of Middlebrook, William Watt, Henry A.
Erskine, David C. Mond, A. White, J. Dundas (Dumbartonshire)
Essex, R. W. Montgomery, H. G. Wiles, Thomas
Evans, Sir S. T. Morgan, G. Hay (Cornwall) Wilkie, Alexander
Everett, R. Lacey Morrell, Philip Williamson, Sir A.
Fiennes, Hon. Eustace Murray, Captain Hon. A. C. (Kincard.) Wills, Arthur Walters
Fullerton, Hugh Newnes, F. (Notts, Bassetlaw) Wilson, Henry J. (York, W. R.)
Gladstone, Rt. Hon. Herbert John Nicholls, George Wilson, P. W. (St. Pancras, S.)
Goddard, Sir Daniel Ford Nicholson, Charles N. (Doncaster)
Gooch, George Peabody (Bath) Norman, Sir Henry TELLERS FOR THE AYES.—Captain Norton and Mr. Whitley.
Greenwood, G. (Peterborough) Partington, Oswald
Gulland, John W. Paulton, James Mellor
Abraham, W. (Cork, N. E.) Devlin, Joseph Keating, M.
Arkwright, John Stanhope Dickson, Rt. Hon. C. Scott Kerry, Earl of
Ashley, W. W. Douglas, Rt. Hon. A. Akers- Kilbride, Denis
Balcarres, Lord Faber, George Denison (York) King, Sir Henry Seymour (Hull)
Baldwin, Stanley Fell, Arthur MacVeagh, Jeremiah (Down, S.)
Banbury, Sir Frederick George Fetherstonhaugh, Godfrey Mooney, J. J.
Barnes, G. N. Flavin, Michael Joseph Muldoon, John
Bridgeman, W. Clive Flynn, James Christopher Murphy, John (Kerry, East)
Brotherton, Edward Allen Gooch, Henry Cubitt (Peckham) Nicholson, Wm. G. (Petersfield)
Bull, Sir William James Gretton, John Nugent, Sir Walter Richard
Burke, E. Haviland- Haddock, George B. O'Brien, K. (Tipperary, Mid)
Campbell, Rt. Hon. J. H. M. Hardie, J. Keir (Merthyr Tydvil) O'Shee, James John
Carlile, E. Hildred Harris, Frederick Leverton Pease, Herbert Pike (Darlington)
Castlereagh, Viscount Harrison-Broadley, H. B. Pointer, J.
Clyde, J. Avon Hay, Hon. Claude George Randles, Sir John Scurrah
Coates, Major E. F. (Lewisham) Healy, Timothy Michael Retcliff, Major R. F.
Condon, T. J. Hill, Sir Clement Reddy, M.
Courthope, G. Loyd Hills, J. W. Redmond, William (Clare)
Crean, Eugene Hogan, Michael Renton, Leslie
Renwick, George Starkey, John R. Wilson, W. T. (Westhoughton)
Rutherford, Watson (Liverpool) Summerbell, T. Winterton, Earl
Salter, Arthur Clavell Talbot, Lord E. (Chichester)
Sheehy, David Walker, Col. W. H. (Lancashire) TELLERS FOR THE NOES.—Viscount
Stanier, Beville Warde, Col. C. E. (Kent, Mid) Valentia and Mr. H. W. Forster.
Stanley, Hon. Arthur (Ormikirk) Williams, Col. R. (Dorset, W.)