HC Deb 06 October 1909 vol 11 cc2159-63

Sir SAMUEL EVANS moved to amend the extent of repeal in the case of the Inland Revenue Act, 1880. The Schedule, as it stood, provided for the repeal of "Sections 40 to 45," and the Amendment was to repeal "Sections 40 to 42; Section 43, except Sub-section (7); and Sections 44 and 45."

Mr. MOONEY

The Member for North Dublin (Mr. Clancy) has an Amendment on the Paper relating to this Section. It is quite true that the Solicitor-General's Amendment is practically the same, but I think he has omitted Section 41. Under this Amendment, Section 41 will still be an operative Section, and I think he must amend the Amendment by inserting the words "forty-one."

Mr. T. M. HEALY

As my Amendment cannot be moved, I think I ought to call attention to this extraordinary tax. It is really too bad that the public in Dublin should be worse by 10s. than the public in any other part of the country.

Sir SAMUEL EVANS

The question put by the hon. and learned Gentleman does not arise. Whether "Section 41" ought to be inserted or not I am not sure at the present moment, but perhaps the hon. Member will allow me to consider it on Report.

Mr. MOONEY

I would suggest that the words should run "Sections 40, 41, 42," and so on.

Sir SAMUEL EVANS

If my Amendment is carried, Sections 40 to 42 will be repealed, and that will include Section 41. But I will look into the matter.

Mr. T. M. HEALY

Will the learned Solicitor-General take the opportunity now of telling us how the law with regard to Ireland stands?

Amendment agreed to.

Question proposed, "That the Schedule, as amended, be the Sixth Schedule of the Bill."

Sir FREDERICK BANBURY

I wish to express a hope that, as one of the Acts to be repealed is an Act for the encouragement of trade, and as we on this side are in favour of the encouragement of trade,

Division No. 785.] AYES. [1.50 a.m.
Acland, Francis Dyke Hardie, J. Keir (Merthyr Tydvil) Parker, James (Halifax)
Ainsworth, John Stirling Harmsworth, Cecil B. (Worcester) Partington, Oswald
Allen, Charles P. (Stroud) Harmsworth, R. L. (Caithness-shire) Paulton, James Mellor
Ashton, Thomas Gair Hedges, A. Paget Pearce, Robert (Staffs, Leek)
Balfour, Robert (Lanark) Helme, Norval Watson Philipps, Col. Ivor (Southampton)
Baring, Godfrey (Isle of Wight) Henderson, Arthur (Durham) Philippe, Owen C. (Pembroke)
Barker, Sir John Henry, Charles S. Pointer, J.
Barnes, G. N. Higham, John Sharp Pollard, Dr. G. H.
Barran, Rowland Hirst Hobart, Sir Robert Ponsonby, Arthur A. W. H.
Barry, Redmond J. (Tyrone, N.) Hobhouse, Rt. Hon. Charles E. H. Priestley, Sir W. E. B. (Bradford, E.)
Scale, W. P. Hogan, Michael Rendall, Athelstan
Berridge, T. H. D. Horniman, Emslie John Roberts, Charles H. (Lincoln)
Birrell, Rt. Hon. Augustine Howard, Hon. Geoffrey Roberts, G. H. (Norwich)
Bowerman, C. W. Illingworth, Percy H. Robinson, S.
Brunner, J. F. L. (Lancs., Leigh) Isaacs, Rufus Daniel Rogers, F. E. Newman
Burns, Rt. Hon. John Jenkins, J. Rose, Sir Charles Day
Carr-Gomm, H. W. Jones, Leif (Appleby) Rowlands, J.
Cawley, Sir Frederick Jones, William (Carnarvonshire) Samuel, Rt. Hon. H. L. (Cleveland)
Channing, Sir Francis Allston King, Alfred John (Knutsford) Scott, A. H. (Ashton-under-Lyne)
Clough, William Laidlaw, Robert Seddon, J.
Clynes, J. R. Lamb, Edmund G. (Leominster) Seely, Colonel
Collins, Stephen (Lambeth) Lamont, Norman Shackleton, David James
Cooper, G. J. Layland-Barratt, Sir Francis Shaw, Sir Charles E. (Stafford)
Corbett, A. Cameron (Glasgow) Lehmann, R. C. Sherwell, Arthur James
Corbett, C. H. (Sussex, E. Grinstead) Lever, A. Levy (Essex, Harwich) Silcock, Thomas Ball
Cotton, Sir H. J. S. Levy, Sir Maurice Simon, John Allsebrook
Cowan, W. H. Lewis, John Herbert Stanley, Hon. A. Lyulph (Cheshire)
Crossley, William J. Lloyd-George, Rt. Hon. David Strachey, Sir Edward
Davies, David (Montgomery Co.) Lupton, Arnold Straus, B. S. (Mile End)
Davies, Sir W. Howell (Bristol, S.) Macdonald, J. M. (Falkirk Burghs) Summerbell, T.
Dickinson, W. H. (St. Pancras, N.) M'Laren, Sir C. B. (Leicester) Taylor, Theodore C. (Radcliffe)
Duckworth, Sir James M'Laren, H. D. (Stafford, W.) Tennant, Sir Edward (Salisbury)
Duncan J. Hastings (York, Otley) Manfield, Harry (Northants) Tennant, H. J. (Berwickshire)
Dunn, A. Edward (Camborne) Markham, Arthur Basil Thomasson, Franklin
Dunne, Major E. Martin (Walsall) Marnham, F. J. Toulmin, George
Elibank, Master of Massie, J. Ure, Rt. Hon. Alexander
Erskine, David C. Masterman, C. F. G. Ward, W. Dudley (Southampton)
Essex, R. W. Middlebrook, William Wason, Rt. Hon. E. (Clackmannan)
Evans, Sir S. T. Mond, A. Wason, John Cathcart (Orkney)
Everett, R. Lacey Montgomery, H. G. Watt, Henry A.
Fiennes, Hon. Eustace Morgan, G. Hay (Cornwall) White, J. Dundas (Dumbartonshire)
Flavin, Michael Joseph Morrell, Philip Wiles, Thomas
Flynn, James Christopher Morse, L. L. Wilkie, Alexander
Fullerton, Hugh Murphy, John (Kerry, East) Williamson, Sir A.
Gladstone, Rt. Hon. Herbert John Murray, Capt. Hon. A. C. (Kincard.) Wilis, Arthur Walters
Goddard, Sir Daniel Ford Newnes, F. (Notts, Bassetlaw) Wilson, P. W. (St. Pancras, S.)
Gooch, George Peabody (Bath) Nicholls, George Wilson, W. T. (Westhoughton)
Greenwood, G. (Peterborough) Nicholson, Charles N. (Doncaster)
Gulland, John W. Norman, Sir Henry TELLERS FOR THE AYES.—Captain
Harcourt, Rt. Hon. L. (Rossendale) O'Brien, K. (Tipperary, Mid) Norton and Mr. Whitley.
Harcourt, Robert V. (Montrose) O'Shee, James John
NOES.
Ashley, W. W. Fell, Arthur Renton, Leslie
Balcarres, Lord Forster, Henry William Renwick, George
Baldwin, Stanley Gooch, Henry Cubitt (Peckham) Rutherford, Watson (Liverpool)
Bridgeman, W. Clive Haddock, George B. Salter, Arthur Clavell
Brotherton, Edward Allen Harris, Frederick Leverton Stanier, Seville
Campbell, Rt. Hon. J. H. M. Harrison-Broadley, H. B. Starkey, John R.
Carlile, E. Hildred Hay, Hon. Claude George Talbot, Lord E. (Chichester)
Castlereagh, Viscount Hills, J. W. Valentia, Viscount
Clyde, J. Avon Kerry, Earl of Walker, Col. W. H. (Lancashire)
Coates, Major E. F. (Lewisham) King, Sir Henry Seymour (Hull) Williams, Col. R. (Dorset, W.)
Courthope, G. Loyd Nicholson, Wm. G. (Petersfield) Winterton, Earl
Dickson, Rt. Hon. C. Scott Pease, Herbert Pike (Darlington)
Douglas, Rt. Hon. A. Akers- Randles, Sir John Scurrah TELLERS FOR THE NOES.—Sir
Faber, George Denison (York) Ratcliff, Major R. F. F. Banbury and Sir W. Bull.

The CHAIRMAN (referring to Amendments on the Paper in relation to the Preamble):

my hon. Friends will divide against the Schedule.

The Committee divided: Ayes, 150; Noes, 39.

What has been thought to be a Preamble is not a Preamble. The paragraph is composed of enacting words, the form of which has been adopted for many-years, and my predecessors in this Chair have ruled that they cannot be amended.

Bill reported; as amended, to be considered upon Tuesday, 19th October.