HC Deb 05 May 1909 vol 4 cc1042-3
Captain FABER

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if he will state what is the total sum of the charges falling on the liquor trade in the United Kingdom and United States respectively; and whether he is aware that if the Massachusetts, United States, standard of taxation were applied to this country the direct taxation on liquor would fall from 38 millions to 34 millions per year?

Mr. LLOYD-GEORGE

The receipts from the spirit, beer, and wine duties, and from licence duties in the United Kingdom in 1908–9, were as follows:—

£
Spirit duty (Customs and Excise) 21,386,000
Beer duty (Customs and Excise 12,723,000
Wine duty (Customs) 1,120,000
Licence duties (Excise) 2,204,000
£37,433,000
I regret that I am unable to give the corresponding information for the United States generally, or the State of Massachusetts in particular.

Captain FABER

Why did the Chancellor of the Exchequer state that it was ludicrously inadequate?

Mr. LLOYD-GEORGE

I never said the duty upon excisable liquors was inadequate. What I said was that the licence duties were ludicrously inadequate, which is a totally different proposition.

Captain FABER

Can the right hon. Gentleman differentiate between the whole tax on liquor, taking one at a time? Ought not he to have taken them all together when he said it was ludicrously inadequate?

Mr. LLOYD-GEORGE

I can certainly differentiate, but not across the floor of the House by question and answer. That is a matter for debate.