HC Deb 30 August 1909 vol 10 cc93-7

(1) Where a lean is made by the Public Works Loans Commissioners under Section sixty-seven, Sub-section two (d),of the principal Act, to a public utility society, the words "two-thirds" shall be substituted for the words "one moiety."

(2) For the purposes of this Section a public utility society means a society registered under the Industrial and Provident Societies Act, 1893, or any amendment thereof, and the rules whereof shall provide for the limitation of dividend or in-

terest on the capital of the society to an average rate not exceeding five pounds per centum per annum.

Amendments made: In Sub-section (2) to leave out the word "and" ["and the rules whereof"].—[Mr. Burns.]

Leave out the words "shall provide for the limitation of dividend or interest on the capital of the society to an average rate not," and insert the words, "prohibit the payment of any interest or dividend at a rate."—[Mr. Burns.]

Question put, "That the Clause, as amended, stand part of the Bill."

The Committee divided: Ayes, 176; Noes, 27.

Division No. 549.] AYES. [7.45 p.m.
Acland, Francis Dyke Clough, William Fullerton, Hugh
Agar-Robartes, Hon. T. C. R. Collins, Stephen (Lambeth) Furness, Sir Christopher
Arkwright, John Stanhope Corbett, C. H. (Sussex, E. Grinstead) Gibbs, G. A. (Bristol, West)
Baker, Joseph A. (Finsbury, E.) Cornwall, Sir Edwin A. Gladstone, Rt. Hon. Herbert John
Balfour, Robert (Lanark) Cotton, Sir H. J. S. Glendinning, R. G.
Banbury, Sir Frederick George Cox, Harold Goddard, Sir Daniel Ford
Baring, Godfrey (Isle of Wight) Craig, Captain James (Down, E.) Greenwood, Hamar (York)
Barnard, E. B. Craik, Sir Henry Grey, Rt. Hon. Sir Edward
Barry, Redmond J. (Tyrone, N.) Crosfield, A. H. Guest, Hon. Ivor Churchill
Beale, W.P. Davies, Timothy (Fulham) Guinness, Hon. W. E. (B. S. Edm'ds.)
Beauchamp, E. Dickinson, W. H. (St. Pancras, N.) Gulland, John W.
Berridge, T. H. D. Dickson-Poynder, Sir John P. Gwynn, Stephen Lucius
Bright, J. A. Dobson, Thomas W. Harcourt, Robert V. (Montrose)
Brodie, H. C. Douglas, Rt. Hon. A. Akers- Harrison-Broadley, H. B.
Bryce, J. Annan Duckworth, Sir James Hart-Davies, T.
Burns, Rt. Hon. John Evans, Sir S. T. Harvey, A. G. C. (Rochdale)
Butcher, Samuel Henry Everett, R. Lacey Haslam, Lewis (Monmouth)
Buxton, Rt. Hon. Sydney Charles Farrell, James Patrick Hay, Hon. Claude George
Carlile, E. Hildred Fell, Arthur Hemmerde, Edward George
Carr-Gomm, H. W. Ferguson, R. C. Munro Henderson, J. McD.(Aberdeen, W.)
Cave, George Ffrench, Peter Hobhouse, Rt. Hon. Charles E. H.
Cecil, Lord R. (Marylebone, E.) Fletcher, J. S. Hogan, Michael
Cherry, Rt. Hon. R. R. Flynn, James Christopher Holden. Sir E. Hopkinson
Churchill, Rt. Hon. Winston S. Forster, Henry William Holland, Sir William Henry
Cleland, J. W. Foster, P. S. Holt, Richard Durning
Hope, W. H. B. (Somerset, N.) Morton, Alpheus Cleophas Seely, Colonel
Idris, T. H. W. Muldoon, John Sheehan, Daniel Daniel
Jackson, R. S. Myer, Horatio Sheffield, Sir Berkeley George D.
Kavanagh, Walter M. Nicholson, Wm. G. (Petersfield) Silcock, Thomas Ball
Kekewich, Sir George Nolan, Joseph Smith, Abel H. (Hertford, E.)
Laidlaw, Robert Norman, Sir Henry Soames, Arthur Wellesley
Lambton, Hon. Frederick William Nussey, Sir Willans Stanier, Beville
Lamont, Norman O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny) Staveley-Hill, Henry (Staffordshire)
Lane-Fox, G. R. O'Conner, John (Kildare, N.) Talbot, Lord E. (Chichester)
Lardner, James Carrige Rushe O'Oonnell, John (Mayo, S.) Tennant, Sir Edward (Salisbury)
Lever, A. Levy (Essex, Harwich) O'Kelly, Conor (Mayo, N.) Tennant, H. J. (Berwickshire)
Lever, W. H. (Cheshire, Wirral) O'Shaughnessy, P. J. Thompson, J. W. H. (Somerset, E.)
Lewis, John Herbert Paul, Herbert Thomson, W. Mitchell- (Lanark)
Lockwood, Rt. Hon. Lt.-Col. A. R. Pearce, Robert (Staffs, Leek) Tomkinson, James
Luttrell, Hugh Fownes Pearson, W. H. M. (Suffold, Eye) Trevelyan, Charles Philips
Lyttelton, Rt. Hon. Alfred Philips, John (Longford, S.) Tuke, Sir John Batty
Macdonald, J. R. (Leicester) Pickersgill, Edward Hare Ure, Rt. Hon. Alexander
Mackarness, Frederick C. Pollard, Dr. G. H. Valentia, Viscount
Macnamara, Dr. Thomas J. Powell, Sir Francis Sharp Vivian, Henry
MacNeill, John Gordon Swift Pretyman, E. G. Waring, Walter
MacVeigh, Charles (Donegal, E.) Padford, G. H Warner, Thomas Courtenay T.
M'Arthur, Charles Rainy, A. Rolland Waterlow, D. S.
M'Laren, H. D. (Stafford, W.) Rawlinson, John Frederick Peel White, J. Dundas (Dumbartonshire)
M'Micking, Major G. Rees; J. D. White, Sir Luke (York, E. R.)
Mark, G. Croydon (Launceston) Roberts, Charles H. (Lincoln) White, Patrick (Meath, North)
Massie, J. Robertson, Sir G. Scott (Bradford) Wilson, Henry J. (York, W.R.)
Masterman, C. F. G. Robinson, S. Wilson, P. W. (St. Pancras, S.)
Meehan,Francis E.(Leitrim, N.) Robson, Sir William Snowdon Winfrey, R.
Micklem, Nathaniel Rogers, F. E. Newman Wood, T. M'Kinnon
Molteno, Percy Alport Rowlands, J. Young, Samuel
Morgan, G. Hay (Cornwall) Runciman, Rt. Hon. Walter Yoxall, Sir James Henry
Morpeth, Viscount Russell, Rt. Hon. T. W.
Morrell, Philip Samuel, Rt. Hon. H. L. (Cleveland) TELLERS FOR THE AYES.—Mr.
Morrison-Bell, Captain Schwann, Sir C. E. (Manchester) Joseph Pease and Captain Norton.
Morse, L. L. Scott, Sir S. (Marylebone, W.)
NOES.
Abraham, W. (Cork, N. E.) Henderson, Arthur (Durham) Reddy, M.
Barnes, G. N. Hodge, John Roche, John (Galway, East)
Brooke, Stopford Hudson, Walter Scott, A. H. (Ashton-under-Lyne)
Crean, Eugene Johnson, John (Gateshead) Taylor, John W. (Durham)
Crooks, William Jowett, F. W. Ward, John (Stoke-on-Trent)
Curran, Peter Francis Joyce, Michael Wardie, George J.
Duffy, William J. Lundon, T.
Dunn, A. Edward (Camborne) O'Brien, K. (Tipperary, Mid) TELLERS FOR THE NOES.—Mr.
Glover, Thomas Parker, James (Halifax) W. Tyson Wilson and Mr. T. F. Richards.
Grayson, Albert Victor Power, Patrick Joseph
Hardie, J. Keir (Merthyr Tydvil)

Question put, "That Clauses 5 to 12 inclusive stand part of the Bill."

The Committee divided: Ayes, 168; Noes, 32.