§ Considered in Committee.
§ (In the Committee,)
§ [The DEPUTY-CHAIRMAN, Mr. Caldwell (Lanarkshire, Mid.) in the Chair].
§
Amendment proposed—;
In page 1, line 11, after the word 'solicitor' to insert the words 'if qualified.'"—;(Mr. Cave.)
§ Question again proposed, "That those words be there inserted."
§ MR. F. E. SMITH, who was very indistinctly heard, was understood to say he had hoped the hon. and learned Solicitor-General would accept this Amendment without discussion. It was perfectly clear that as the business of the House was conducted at present it was the duty of the Law Officers to scrutinise very carefully the draughtsmanship of the Bills the Government presented, and it was the duty of the Opposition to attempt to give as much assistance as they could in all matters affecting draughtsmanship. If the hon. and learned Gentleman had seen his way to accept these words he would have made this Bill a more consistent and intelligent measure than it was at present. If these words were inserted after the word "solicitor" a very great ambiguity would be avoided. If the Committee gave its attention to the words of the section, they would see that the section at first sight was worded in a singular way. If the section was draughted without the words "if otherwise qualified" no reasonable person accustomed to construe Acts of Parliament would imagine that it related to any other disability. They had already swept away every other disability, and no one would consider that if these words were omitted the provisions contained in Clause 2 would be construed so as to override the existing disabilities. But the position had altogether changed, and he submitted that as the clause at present stood it was open to misconstruction and to possibilities of litigation, which he was sure the Solicitor-General would be the first to wish to avoid in the interests of the measure to which he had attached his name.
§ LORD BALCARRES (Lancashire, Chorley)said the Committee was entitled to some reply from the Solicitor-General. As the clause stood, a solicitor 500 could be appointed to be a magistrate in any county of England. Was that intended? If the restrictive words were excluded they would introduce into the clause a certain element of right for solicitors to be appointed all over the country, which was distinctly and avowedly excluded by the preceding clause. If the Solicitor-General preferred that the Amendment should not be taken at this point, it could be inserted after the word "county" in line 2. It would equally meet the point, and save the hon. and learned Gentleman's face.
§ * MR. NIELD (Middlesex, Ealing)said he was glad that after so many years the Government were ready to rehabilitate the lower division of the legal profession by placing an unlimited confidence in solicitors which neither in fiction nor in real life had been shown them in years past.
§ * MR. NIELDsaid he was suggesting that the words in the Bill showed such satisfaction on the part of the Government in solicitors that their qualification was of no moment, and they were to be permitted to be appointed to any bench in any county without apparently the qualification which other persons were required to have.
THE DEPUTY-CHAIRMANsaid he had informed the hon. Gentleman that he was out of order, and he must confine himself to the Amendment.
§ * MR. NIELDsaid with all possible respect he ventured to submit that his observations were directed to show that the proposal of the Government was that no qualification was necessary at all and in criticising this exhibition of confidence 501 he was speaking to the Amendment, the direct purpose of which was to make it clear and free from ambiguity, so that while extending the opportunities for a solicitor being appointed the same qualification should be required from him as from other persons.
§ MR. MITCHELL-THOMSONsaid he had intended to move an Amendment to the Amendment to insert after "if" the word "otherwise." He hoped his hon. friend would accept his Amendment, which he now moved with the permission of the Committee.
§
Amendment proposed to the proposed Amendment—;
To insert after the word 'if' the word 'otherwise.'"—; (Mr. Mitchell-Thomson.)
§ Amendment to the proposed Amendment agreed to.
§ Question proposed, "That the word, 'if otherwise qualified' be there inserted."
502§ * LORD HELMSLEY (Yorkshire, N.R., Thirsk)said there was no doubt that solicitors would be admirable adjuncts to the Bench, but the question whether they should fulfil those functions whether qualified or not gave rise to a very grave consideration. He failed to see why solicitors should be chosen for particular mention while other professions equally respectable and equally admirable in all their qualifications were absolutely unmentioned. The Committee were entitled to the opinion of the Government as to why the words had been omitted. The drafting of the Bill was certainly of a very loose character, and the Solicitor-General would be hardly treating the Committee with respect unless he told them why these words had been omitted in this clause and inserted in Clause 2.
§ Question put.
§ The Committee divided:—;Ayes, 47; Noes, 297. (Division List No. 58.)
505AYES. | ||
Acland-Hood, Rt Hn SirAlex.F. | Craik, Sir Henry | Liddell, Henry |
Arnold-Forster, Rt.Hn.Hugh O. | Dalrymple, Viscount | Lonsdale, John Brownlee |
Aubrey-Fletcher, Rt.Hn. Sir H. | Douglas, Rt. Hon. A. Akers- | Nield, Herbert |
Balcarres, Lord | Duncan, Robert(Lanark, Govan | O'Niell, Hon. Robert Torrens |
Barrie, H. T. (Londonderry, N. | Finch, Rt. Hon. George H. | Rasch, Sir Frederic Carne |
Beach, Hn.Michael Hugh Hicks | Forster, Herny William | Ropner, Colonel Sir Robert |
Bottomley, Horatio | Gibbs, G. A. (Bristol, West) | Rutherford, John (Lancashire) |
Bridgeman, W. Clive | Hamilton, Marquess of | Sandys, Lieut.-Col. Thos. Myles |
Carlile, E. Hildred | Helmsley, Viscount | Smith,F.E. (Liverpool, Walton) |
Castlereagh, Viscount | Hervey,F.W.F.(Bury S.Edm'ds | Starkey, John R. |
Cave, George | Hill, Sir Clement (Shrewsbury) | Valentia, Viscount |
Coates, E. Feetham (Lewisham) | Hills, J. W. | Williams, Col. R. (Dorset, W.) |
Cochrane, Hon. Thos. H. A. E. | Houston, Robert Paterson | Younger, George |
Corbett, T. L. (Down, North) | Hunt, Rowland | |
Courthope, G. Loyd | Kenyon-Slaney, Rt.Hon.Col. W | TELLERS FOR THE AYES—;Mr. Mitchell-Thomson and Sir William Bull. |
Craig,Charles Curtis (Antrim,S. | Lane-Fox, G. R. | |
Craig, Captain James (Down,E. | Legge, Col. Hon. Heneage | |
NOES. | ||
Abraham, William (Cork, N.E. | Armstrong, W. C. Heaton | Balfour, Robert (Lanark) |
Abraham, William (Rhondda) | Astbury, John Meir | Baring,Godfrey (Isle of Wight) |
Acland, Francis Dyke | Atherley-Jones, L. | Barker, John |
Agnew, George William | Baker, Sir John (Portsmouth) | Barlow, Percy (Bedford) |
Armitage, R. | Baker,Joseph A.(Finsbury, E.) | Barnard, E. B. |
Barnes, G. N. | Edwards, Clement (Denbigh) | MacVeigh, Charles (Donegal, E. |
Barran, Rowland Hirst | Edwards, Enoch (Hanley) | M'Callum, John M. |
Beale, W. P. | Edwards, Frank (Radnor) | M'Crae, George |
Beauchamp, E. | Ellis, Rt. Hon. John Edward | M'Kean, John |
Beaumont, W. C. B. (Hexham) | Erskine, David C. | M'Kenna, Reginald |
Beck, A. Cecil | Essex, R. W. | M'Killop, W. |
Bell, Richard | Evans, Samuel T. | Maddison, Frederick |
Bellairs, Carlyon | Eve, Harry Trelawney | Mansfield, H. Rendall (Lincoln) |
Benn,John Williams(Devonp't | Everett, R. Lacey | Markham, Arthur Basil |
Benn,W.(T'w'r Hamlets,S.Geo. | Fenwick, Charles | Marks,G.Croydon (Launceston) |
Bennett, E. N. | Fuller, John Michael F. | Marnham, F. J. |
Bertam, Julius | Fullerton, Hugh | Massie, J. |
Bethell,J. H. (Essex, Romford) | Gardner, Col. Alan (Hereford,S | Meagher, Michael |
Bethell, T. R. (Essex, Maldon) | Gibb, James (Harrow) | Meehan, Patrick A. |
Billson, Alfred | Gill, A. H. | Menzies, Walter |
Black, Arthur W.(Bedfordshire | Ginnell, L. | Micklem, Nathaniel |
Boland, John | Glover, Thomas | Molteno, Percy Alfred |
Bolton, T.D. (Derbyshire, N.E.) | Gooch, George Peabody | Mond, A. |
Boulton, A. C. F. (Ramsey) | Grant, Corrie | Money, L. G. Chiozza |
Brace, William | Greenwood, G. (Peterborough) | Montagu, E. S. |
Bramsdon, T. A. | Griffith, Ellis J. | Mooney, J. J. |
Brigg, John | Gulland, John W. | Morgan, G. Hay (Cornwall) |
Bright, J. A. | Haldane, Rt. Hon. Richard B. | Morgan, J. Lloyd (Carmarthen) |
Brodie, H. C. | Hall, Frederick | Morrell, Philip |
Brooke, Stopford | Halpin, J. | Morse, L. L. |
Brunner, J. F. L. (Lancs.,Leigh) | Harcourt, Rt. Hon. Lewis | Morton, Alpheus Cleophas |
Bryce,Rt.Hn.James (Aberdeen | Hardy, George A. (Suffolk) | Murphy, John |
Bryce,J.A. (Inverness Burghs) | Harmsworth, Cecil B. (Worc'r) | Murray, James |
Buchanan, Thomas Ryburn | Haslam, James (Derbyshire) | Myer, Horatio |
Burke, E. Haviland- | Haslam, Lewis (Monmouth) | Nannetti, Joseph P |
Burnyeat, J. D. W. | Haworth, Arthur A. | Napier, T. B. |
Burt, Rt. Hon. Thomas | Hayden, John Patrick | Newnes, F. (Notts, Bassetlaw) |
Buxton,Rt.Hn.Sydney Charles | Hazel, Dr. A. E. | Nicholls, George |
Byles, William Pollard | Hazleton, Richard | Nicholson, Charles N. (Doncas'r |
Cairns, Thomas | Hedges, A. Paget | Nolan, Joseph |
Cameron, Robert | Helme, Norval Watson | Norton, Capt. Cecil William |
Carr-Gomm, H. W. | Henderson, Arthur (Durham) | O'Brien,Kendal(Tipperary Mid |
Causton,Rt.Hn.Richard Knight | Higham, John Sharp | O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny) |
Cawley, Frederick | Holden, E. Hopkinson | O'Connor,James (Wicklow, W. |
Cheetham, John Frederick | Hooper, A. G. | O'Connor, John (Kildare, N.) |
Cherry, Rt. Hon. R. R. | Hope, John Deans (Fife, West) | O'Donnell, C. J. (Walworth) |
Clarke, C. Goddard (Peckham) | Hope, W.Bateman (Somerset,N | O'Grady, J. |
Cleland, J. W. | Horniman, Emslie John | O'Kelly, James (Roscommon,N |
Clough, W. | Howard, Hon. Geoffrey | O'Malley, William |
Clynes, J. R. | Hudson, Walter | O'Mara, James |
Coats,Sir T.Glen (Renfrew, W.) | Hyde, Clarendon | Parker, James (Halifax) |
Cogan, Denis J. | Illingworth, Percy H. | Pearson, Sir W. D. (Colchester) |
Collins, Stephens (Lambeth) | Jackson, R. S. | Pickersgill, Edward Hare |
Cooper, G. J. | Jenkins, J. | Power, Patrick Joseph |
Corbett,C H (Sussex,E.Grins'd | Johnson, John (Gateshead) | Price, C. E. (Edinb'gh,Central) |
Cornwall, Sir Edwin A. | Johnson, W. (Nuneaton) | Radford, G. H. |
Cory, Clifford John | Jones, William (Carnarvonshire | Raphael, Herbert H. |
Cotton, Sir H. J. S. | Jowett, F. W. | Rea, Russell (Gloucester) |
Cowan, W. H. | Joyce, Michael | Rea, Walter Russell (Scarboro' |
Cox, Harold | Kearley, Hudson E. | Redmond, John E. Waterford) |
Cremer, William Randal | Kennedy, Vincent Paul | Redmond, William (Clare) |
Crooks, William | Kincaid-Smith, Captain | Rees, J. D. |
Crossley, William J. | Laidlaw, Robert | Richards, T. F. (Wolverh'mp'n |
Dalziel, James Henry | Lamb, Edmund G. (Leominster | Richardson, A. |
Davies,David (MontgomeryCo. | Lambert, George | Rickett, J. Compton |
Davies, Timothy (Fulham) | Lamont, Norman | Ridsdale, E. A. |
Davies, W. Howell (Bristol, S.) | Lawson, Sir Wilfrid | Roberts, Charles H. (Lincoln) |
Delany, William | Lehmann, R. C. | Roberts, G. H. (Norwich) |
Devlin,Charles Ramsay(Galway | Lever,A.Levy (Essex,Harwich) | Robertson,Sir G. Scott(Bradf'd |
Dewar, John A. (Inverness-sh.) | Levy, Maurice | Robinson, S. |
Dickinson, W.H.(St.Paneras,N | Lough, Thomas | Robson, Sir William Snowdon |
Dickson-Poynder, Sir John P. | Lundon, W. | Roche, Augustine (Cork) |
Dillon, John | Lupton, Arnold | Rogers, F. E. Newman |
Dobson, Thomas W. | Luttrell, Hugh Fownes | Rose, Charles Day |
Donelan, Captain A. | Lynch, H. B. | Rowlands, J. |
Duckworth, James | Macdonald, J. R. (Leicester) | Russell, T. W. |
Duncan, C. (Barrow-in-Furness | Macdonald,J.M.(Falkirk B'ghs) | Rutherford, W. W. (Liverpool) |
Dunn, A. Edward (Camborne) | MacVeagh, Jeremiah (Down,S. | Samuel, Herbert L. (Cleveland) |
Samuel, S. M. (Whitechapel) | Strachey, Sir Edward | Wedgwood, Josiah C. |
Scarisbrick, T. T. L. | Straus, B. S. (Mile End) | Weir, James Galloway |
Schwann, C. Duncan (Hyde) | Strauss, E. A. (Abingdon) | White, George (Norfolk) |
Schwann,Chas. E.(Manchester) | Sullivan, Donal | White, J. D. (Dumbartonshire) |
Scott,A.H.(Ashton under Lyne | Summerbell, T. | White, Luke (York, E. R.) |
Sears, J. E. | Taylor, John W. (Durham) | White, Patrick (Meath, North) |
Seaverns, J. H. | Taylor, Theodore C. (Radcliffe) | Whitehead, Rowland |
Seddon, J. | Tennant, E. P. (Salisbury) | Whitley, J. H. (Halifax) |
Seely, Major J. B. | Thomas,Abel (Carmarthen, E.) | Whittaker, Thomas Palmer |
Shackleton, David James | Thomas, David Alfred(Merthyr | Wiles, Thomas |
Shaw, Rt. Hon. T. (Hawick B.) | Thomasson, Franklin | Williams, J. (Glamorgan) |
Sheehan, Daniel Daniel | Tomkinson, James | Williams, W. L. (Carmarthen) |
Shipman, Dr. John G. | Torrance, A. M. | Wills, Arthur Walters |
Silcock, Thomas Ball | Toulmin, George | Wilson, J. H. (Middlesbrough) |
Simon, John Allsebrook | Trevelyan, Charles Philips | Wilson, W. T. (Westhoughton) |
Smeaton, Donald Mackenzie | Ure, Alexander | Wood, T. M'Kinnon |
Snowden, P. | Verney, F. W. | Young, Samuel |
Soares, Ernest J. | Walker, H. De R. (Leicester) | |
Spicer, Albert | Walsh, Stephen | TELLERS FOR THE NOES—;Mr.Whiteley and Mr. Herbert Lewis. |
Stanger, H. Y. | Walters, John Tudor | |
Stanley,Hn.A.Lyulph (Chesh.) | Wason, Eugene (Clackmannan) | |
Steadman, W. C. | Wason,John Cathcart(Orkney) | |
Stewart, Halley (Greenock) | Waterlow, D. S. |
§ [The Chairman (Mr. EMMOTT) here took the Chair.]
§ * MR. JOHN RUTHERFORD (Lancashire, Darwen)asked, on a point of order, whether solicitors who were Members of the House had a right to vote in the division which had just taken place. He believed that some fifteen solicitors had voted. The rules were very particular in regard to hon. Members voting upon any matter in which they were directly interested.
* THE CHAIRMANThis is not a question of special or pecuniary interest, and under those conditions I think a solicitor has a right to vote.
§ * MR. COURTHOPE (Sussex, Rye)did not think the Government could possibly intend to give those special advantages which were expressly taken away from every other class of the community. He begged to move to insert the words "in which he resides."
§
Amendment proposed—;
In page 1, line 12, after the word 'county,' to insert the words 'in which he resides.'"—;(Mr. Courthope.)
§ Question proposed, "That those words be there inserted."
§ MR. F. E. SMITHsuggested that the object of his hon. friend would be achieved if in the earlier section of the Bill he moved to insert—;
That a solicitor may be appointed a justice of the peace for any county in or within seven miles of which he resides.He suggested that this was a matter on which the Opposition were entitled to some guidance from the Solicitor-General as to whether under the clause as drafted there was or was not any geographical limitation of the right of a solicitor to act as a justice of the peace. As a matter of legal construction would it not be possible for a solicitor to be appointed a justice of the peace for a county in which he had no residential or geographical qualification?
§ * SIR W. ROBSONsaid he desired to remind the Committee that the Bill did not profess to code the law relating to justices of the peace. It proposed merely to amend the law in one or two definite particulars, the main particular being to 507 abolish the qualification by estate. That was the subject matter of the first clause, but it left the rest of the law with regard to justices of the peace standing. There was a residential qualification in the case of county magistrates imposed under statutes of Henry V. The qualification by estate was removed by this Bill, but the old residential qualification remained. Having explained the law on this matter, he hoped the House would not think that he was at all lacking in respect if he refrained from getting up and explaining it again and again if hon. Members opposite insisted upon putting the same questions repeatedly.
§ * COLONEL LEGGE (St. George's, Hanover Square)said it was very desirable that hon. Members who had not the legal knowledge of the luminaries on the front bench opposite should get all the information they could on the different points in the Bill before they gave their assent to the measure. The Solicitor-General had stated that the law with respect to the residential qualification of a person appointed as a justice of the peace was passed during the reign of Henry V. In the case of a solicitor it was now proposed that there should be no residential qualification. He thought it was a very serious matter that they should be called upon to make this extraordinary change in the law on behalf of one class of the community. He would support the Amendment because it seemed to him very desirable that the residential qualification which was considered necessary in the reign of Henry V. should be maintained now.
§ LORD DALRYMPLE (Wigton)said this Bill was to apply to Scotland as well as England, and according to the Solicitor- 508 General it was necessary on account of some law passed in the reign of Henry V. His knowledge of history was limited, but he had not yet heard that there was any king of Scotland called Henry V.
§ MR. MITCHELL - THOMSONsaid the Solicitor - General was not entitled to found his case for Scotland on any law passed for England in the reign of Henry V. He asked the right hon. Gentleman to consider very seriously the Amendment which had been put forward by the hon. Member for Rye.
§ LORD HELMSLEYsaid he had received with great gratitude the explanation of the Solicitor - General, but that explanation only showed that the clause was badly drafted. A Bill of this kind ought to be plain, and understood by an ordinary layman. He maintained that not one layman in a hundred could understand it, and that the only people who would benefit from it would be lawyers.
§ MR. WILLIAM RUTHERFORDsaid it was not necessary either for the hon. Member or his constituents to understand any of these Acts of Parliament. He should vote against the Amendment for the same reason as he had voted against the previous Amendment. If he understood the explanation which the hon. and learned Solicitor-General had given it was that although every solicitor was a person and would come within the clause which related to residential qualification, yet every person was not a solicitor. He suggested that the Amendment should be withdrawn because the whole object of the Amendment had been tested in a previous division. It was quite clear 509 that so long as a man was a solicitor, no matter where he resided or where he practised, he was entitled under this clause to be on the county bench.
§ MR. LANE-FOX (Yorkshire W.R., Barkston Ash)said he certainly hoped that the Committee would not accept the suggestion of the hon. Member for Liverpool who had now gone below the gangway and had told the Committee he was an interested person. They were grateful to the Solicitor-General for his explanation, but the hon. and learned Gentleman had not explained one of the points raised, and that was why this disqualification should not be taken out of this particular clause.
§ MR. LANE-FOXsaid he was anxious to bow to the ruling of the Chairman, but he wished to press the point that the hon. Member for Liverpool was a prejudiced person, and should not be allowed to mislead the House.
§ * MR. COURTHOPEexpressed the hope that the Solicitor-General would see his way to accept his Amendment.
§ Question put.
§ The Committee divided:—;Ayes, 54; Noes, 317. (Division List No. 59.)
513AYES. | ||
Acland-Hood, Rt.Hn.Sir Alex.F. | Dalrymple, Viscount | Nield, Herbert |
Arnold-Forster, Rt. Hn.HughO | Douglas, Rt. Hon. A. Akers- | O'Neill, Hon. Robert Torrens |
Ashley, W. W. | Duncan, Robert (Lanark, Govan | Rasch Sir Frederic Carne |
Aubrey-Fletcher,Rt. Hn. SirH. | Finch, Rt. Hon. George H. | Ropner, Colonel Sir Robert |
Balcarres, Lord | Forster, Henry William | Rutherford John (Lancashire) |
Balfour,RtHn.A.J.(City Lond.) | Gibbs, G. A. (Bristol, West) | Sandys, Lieut.-Col. Thos.Myles |
Barrie, H. T. (Londonderry, N.) | Hamilton, Marquess of | Sassoon, Sir Edward Albert |
Beach,Hn. Michael HughHicks | Hay, Hon. Claude George | Smith, Abel H. (Hertford,East) |
Bottomley, Horatio | Helmsley, Viscount | Smith,F.E. (Liverpool, Walton) |
Bridgeman, W. Clive | Hervey,F. W. F.(BuryS.Edm'd | Starkey, John R. |
Carlile, E. Hildred | Hill, Sir Clement (Shrewsbury) | Thomson, W.Mitchell-(Lanark) |
Castlereagh, Viscount | Hills, J. W. | Valentia, Viscount |
Cave, George | Houston, Robert Paterson | Williams, Col. R. (Dorset, W.) |
Cecil, Lord R.(Marylebone, E.) | Hunt, Rowland | Younger, George |
Coates,E. Feetham(Lewisham) | Kenyon-Slaney, Rt. Hn. Col.W. | |
Cochrane, Hon. Thos. H. A. E. | Lane-Fox, G. R. | TELLERS FOR THE AYES—; |
Corbett, T. L. (Down, North) | Legge, Col. Hon. Heneage | Mr. Courthope and Sir William Bull. |
Craig,Charles Curtis(Antrim,S. | Liddell, Henry | |
Craig, Captain James (Down,E. | Lonsdale, John Brownlee | |
Craik, Sir Henry | M'Calmont, Colonel James | |
NOES. | ||
Abraham, William (Cork, N.E.) | Barlow, Percy (Bedford) | Bethell, T. R. (Essex, Maldon) |
Abraham, William (Rhondda) | Barnard, E. B. | Billson, Alfred |
Acland, Francis Dyke | Barnes, G. N. | Black,Arthur W.(Bedfordshire |
Agar-Robartes, Hon. T. C. | Barran, Rowland Hirst | Boland, John |
Agnew, George William | Beale, W. P. | Bolton, T. D.(Derbyshire,N.E.) |
Armitage, R. | Beauchamp, E. | Boulton, A. C. F. (Ramsey) |
Armstrong, W. C. Heaton | Beaumont, W. C. B. (Hexham) | Brace, William |
Asquith,Rt.Hn. Herbert Henry | Beck, A. Cecil | Bramsdon, T. A. |
Astbury, John Meir | Bell, Richard | Brigg, John |
Atherley-Jones, L. | Bellairs, Carlyon | Brodie, H. C. |
Baker, Sir John (Portsmouth) | Benn, John Williams(Devonp'rt | Brooke, Stopford |
Baker,Joseph A.(Finsbury, E.) | Benn,W.(T'w'r Hamlets,S.Geo. | Brunner,J. F. L. (Lancs., Leigh |
Balfour, Robert (Lanark) | Bennett, E. N. | Bryce,Rt.Hn.James(Aberdeen) |
Baring,Godfrey (Isle of Wight) | Bertram, Julius | Bryce,J. A. (Inverness Burghs) |
Barker, John | Bethell, J. H.(Essex,Romford) | Buchanan, Thomas Ryburn |
Burke, E. Haviland- | Harcourt, Rt. Hon. Lewis | Money, L. G. Chiozza |
Burnyeat, J. D. W. | Hardy, George A. (Suffolk) | Montagu, E. S. |
Burt, Rt. Hon. Thomas | Harmsworth, Cecil B. (Worc'r) | Mooney, J. J. |
Buxton, Rt. Hn. Sydney Charles | Haslam, James (Derbyshire) | Morgan, G. Hay (Cornwall) |
Byles, William Pollard | Haslam, Lewis (Monmouth) | Morgan, J. Lloyd (Carmarthen) |
Cairns, Thomas | Haworth, Arthur A. | Morrell, Philip |
Cameron, Robert | Hayden, John Patrick | Morse, L. L. |
Carr-Gomm, H. W. | Hazel, Dr. A. E. | Morton, Alpheus Cleophas |
Causton,Rt.Hn.Richard Knight | Hazleton, Richard | Murphy, John |
Cawley, F ederick | Hedges, A. Paget | Murray, James |
Cheetham, John Frederick | Helme, Norval Watson | Myer, Horatio |
Cherry, Rt. Hon. R. R. | Henderson, Arthur (Durham) | Nannetti, Joseph P. |
Clarke, C. Goddard (Peckham) | Higham, John Sharp | Napier, T. B. |
Cleland, J. W. | Hobart, Sir Robert | Newnes, F. (Notts, Bassetlaw) |
Clough, W. | Hooper, A. G. | Nicholls, George |
Clynes, J. R. | Hope, W.Bateman(Somerset,N. | Nicholson,Charles N.(Doncastr |
Coats,SirT. Glen (Renfrew,W.) | Horniman, Emslie John | Nolan, Joseph |
Cobbold, Felix Thornley | Howard, Hon. Geoffrey | Norton, Capt. Cecil William |
Cogan, Denis J. | Hudson, Walter | O'Brien,Kendal(Tipperary Mid |
Collins, Stephen (Lambeth) | Hyde, Clarendon | O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny) |
Collins,SirWm.J.(S.Pancras,W. | Illingworth, Percy H. | O'Connor, James (Wicklow,W.) |
Cooper, G. J. | Jackson, R. S. | O'Connor, John (Kildare, N.) |
Corbett,CH(Sussex, E.Grinst'd | Jenkins, J. | O'Donnell, C. J. (Walworth) |
Cornwall, Sir Edwin A. | Johnson, John (Gateshead) | O'Grady, J. |
Cory, Clifford John | Johnson, W. (Nuneaton) | O'Kelly,James (Roscommon,N |
Cowan, W. H. | Jones, William (Carnarvonshire | O'Malley, William |
Cremer, William Randal | Jowett, F. W. | O'Mara, James |
Crooks, William | Joyce, Michael | O'Shee, James John |
Crossley, William J. | Kearley, Hudson E. | Parker, James (Halifax) |
Davies, David(MontgomeryCo. | Kekewich, Sir George | Pearson, Sir W. D. (Colchester). |
Davies, Timothy (Fulham) | Kennedy, Vincent Paul | Philipps, Owen C. (Pembroke) |
Davies, W. Howell (Bristol, S.) | Kincaid-Smith, Captain | Pickersgill, Edward Hare |
Delany, William | King, Alfred John (Knutsford) | Power, Patrick Joseph |
Devlin, CharlesRamsay(Galway | Laidlaw, Robert | Price, C. E. (Edinb'gh,Central) |
Dewar, John A. (Inverness-sh. | Lamb, Edmund G. (Leominster | Radford, G. H. |
Dickinson, W.H.(St.Pancras,N. | Lambert, George | Raphael, Herbert N. |
Dickson-Poynder, Sir John P. | Lamont, Norman | Rea, Russell (Gloucester) |
Dilke, Rt. Hon. Sir Charles | Law, Hugh Alexander | Rea, Walter Russell (Scarboro |
Dillon, John | Lawson, Sir Wilfrid | Redmond, John E. (Waterford) |
Dobson, Thomas W. | Lehmann, R. C. | Redmond, William (Clare) |
Dolan, Charles Joseph | Lever,A.Levy (Essex, Harwich | Rees, J. D. |
Donelan, Captain A. | Lever, W. H. (Cheshire, Wirral) | Renton, Major Leslie |
Duckworth, James | Levy, Maurice | Richards, T.F.(Wolverh'mpt'n |
Duncan, C. (Barrow-in-Furness | Lough, Thomas | Richardson, A. |
Dunn, A. Edward (Camborne) | Lundon, W. | Rickett, J. Compton |
Edwards, Clement (Denbigh) | Lupton, Arnold | Ridsdale, E. A. |
Edwards, Enoch (Hanley) | Luttrell, Hugh Fownes | Roberts, Charles H. (Lincoln) |
Edwards, Frank (Radnor) | Lynch, H. B. | Roberts, G. H. (Norwich) |
Ellis, Rt. Hon. John Edward | Macdonald, J. R. (Leicester) | Robertson, Rt. Hn. E.(Dundee |
Erskine, David C. | Macdonald,J.M.(Falkirk B'ghs | Robertson,SirG.Scott(Bradf'rd |
Essex, R. W. | Mackarness, Frederic C. | Robinson, S. |
Evans, Samuel T. | Macpherson, J. T. | Robson, Sir William Snowdon. |
Eve, Harry Trelawney | MacVeagh,Jeremiah(Down,S. | Roche, Augustine (Cork) |
Everett, R. Lacey | MacVeigh,Charles(Donegal,E.) | Roe, Sir Thomas |
Fenwick, Charles | M'Callum, John M. | Rogers, F. E. Newman |
Ferens, T. R. | M'Crae, George | Rose, Charles Day |
Fuller, John Michael F. | M'Kean, John | Rowlands, J. |
Fullerton, Hugh | M'Kenna, Reginald | Russell, T. W. |
Gardner,Col.Alan (Hereford,S. | M'Killop, W. | Rutherford, W. W. (Liverpool) |
Gibb, James (Harrow) | M'Micking, Major G. | Samuel, Herbert L. (Cleveland) |
Gill, A. H. | Maddison, Frederick | Samuel, S. M. (Whitechapel) |
Ginnell, L. | Mansfield, H.Rendall (Lincoln) | Scarisbrick, T. T. L. |
Gladstone, Rt.Hn.HerbertJohn | Markham, Arthur Basil | Schwann, C. Duncan (Hyde) |
Glover, Thomas | Marks, G. Croydon (Launceston | Sehwann,Chas.E. (Manchester) |
Gooch, George Peabody | Marnham, F. J. | Scott, A.H.(Ashton underLyne |
Grant, Corrie | Mason, A. E. W. (Coventry) | Sears, J. E. |
Greenwood, G. (Peterborough) | Massie, J. | Seaverns, J. H. |
Griffith, Ellis J. | Meagher, Michael | Seddon, J. |
Gulland, John W. | Meehan, Patrick A. | Seely, Major J. B. |
Gurdon, Sir W. Brampton | Menzies, Walter | Shackleton, David James |
Haldane, Rt. Hon. Richard B. | Micklem, Nathaniel | Shaw, Charles Edw. (Stafford) |
Hall, Frederick | Molteno, Percy Alfred | Shaw, Rt. Hon. T. (Hawick B.). |
Halpin, J. | Mond, A. | Sheehan, Daniel Daniel |
Shipman, Dr. John G. | Thomas, Abel (Carmarthen,E.) | White, J. D. (Dumbartonshire) |
Silcock, Thomas Ball | Thomas, David Alfred(Merthyr | White, Luke (York, E.R.) |
Simon, John Allsebrook | Tomkinson, James | White, Patrick (Meath, North) |
Smeaton, Donald Mackenzie | Torrance, A. M. | Whitehead, Rowland |
Snowden, P. | Toulmin, George | Whitley, J. H. (Halifax) |
Soares, Ernest J. | Trevelyan, Charles Philips | Whittaker, Thomas Palmer |
Spicer, Albert | Ure, Alexander | Wiles, Thomas |
Stanger, H. Y. | Verney, F. W. | Williams, J. (Glamorgan) |
Stanley, Hn.A. Lyulph(Chesh.) | Vivian, Henry | Williams, W. L. (Carmarthen) |
Steadman, W. C. | Walker, H. De R. (Leicester) | Wills, Arthur Walters |
Stewart, Halley (Greenock) | Walsh, Stephen | Wilson, J. H. (Middlesbrough) |
Strachey, Sir Edward | Walters, John Tudor | Wilson, W. T. (Westhoughton) |
Straus, B. S. (Mile End) | Wardle, George J. | Wood, T. M'Kinnon |
Strauss, E. A. (Abingdon) | Wason, Eugene (Clackmannan) | Woodhouse,Sir JT(Huddersf'd |
Sullivan, Donal | Wason,John Cathcart (Orkney) | Young, Samuel |
Summerbell, T. | Waterlow, D. S. | |
Taylor, John W. (Durham) | Wedgwood, Josiah C. | TELLERS FOR THE NOES.—; |
Taylor, Theodore C. (Radcliffe) | Weir, James Galloway | Mr. Whiteley and Mr. Herbert Lewis. |
Tennant, E. P. (Salisbury) | White, George (Norfolk) |
§ MR. CHARLES CRAIG (Antrim, S.)said he rose with mingled feelings to move the Amendment which stood in his name, which was to leave out all the words after county in Clause 3. He had feelings of gratitude in the first place that the public at large and a beneficent Government had at last awakened to the proper position of the members of the solicitors' profession to which he had the honour to belong. For hundreds of years solicitors, simply because they were solicitors, had been debarred from acting as magistrates. They had always resented it and very properly considered that such a bar was an insult to the profession. There was no reason why a solicitor should not be a magistrate. But the reason he moved this Amendment was that the Government had only gone half way. The Bill said that solicitors might act as magistrates, but at the same time it said it should not be lawful for any solicitor being a justice of the peace to practice either by himself or his partner before any justice in that county. A barrister could practise anywhere, and he felt certain that when this Amendment was put the members of the senior branch of the profession present in the Committee would support it. Another argument why a 514 solicitor should be allowed to practise was that a son often practised for his father. Then there was the case of a solicitor practising before his father. The Solicitor-General having thus far rid solicitors of disabilities he should have the strength of his convictions and free solicitors from all the barriers and restrictions from which they had suffered for so many years.
§
Amendment proposed—;
In page 1, line 12, to leave out from the word 'county,' to the end of the Clause.'"—;(Mr. Charles Craig.)
§ Question proposed, "That the word? proposed to be left out, to the word 'or,' in line 13, stand part of the Clause."
§ SIR W. ROBSONsaid he was quite sure that solicitors generally would make no objection to this very limited disqualification. They would not regard it as an insult to be asked to abstain from practising before justices for the county or of a borough within the county for which they were appointed justices. If they took up a judicial office they ought to accept with it conditions that would sustain the public confidence, and he was sure that the bulk of the solicitors in 515 the country would welcome any provision in that direction. The clause had, of course, nothing to do with a solicitor practising before a partner. The clause was that a solicitor who was a justice might not directly or indirectly practise before the justices. He thought that would commend itself to the fairness of the Committee.
§ COLONEL KENYON-SLANEY (Shropshire, Newport)asked the Solicitor-General whether, in the event of the clause being passed, he would give consideration to a case which was within his knowledge in which a solicitor in a certain town, who was clerk to the justices, was asked to become chairman of the urban council. If he accepted that office he became ex offcio a magistrate, and as such could not act as clerk to the justices. He suggested that a solicitor in that position might be allowed to refrain from taking the office of magistrate, otherwise a hardship would be done.
§ SIR W. ROBSONsaid the hon. and gallant Gentleman had put very fairly before the Committee a particular case, he would not say of hardship, but in which a disadvantage was incurred by a particular person. It was impossible, however, to frame or remove a disqualification without giving rise to some such case as that suggested. He was afraid that the only thing the Gentleman referred to could do would be to decline the honour offered him.
§ LORD R. CECILsaid the question was of rather more importance than the Solicitor-General appeared to realise. No one doubted that it was very desirable that those who acted as magistrates should not practise before the 516 bench of which they were members; but this was a question whether it was desirable to put that as a positive disqualification into an Act of Parliament. It appeared to him to be a very unnecessarily insulting provision. A barrister was entitled to be a magistrate and also practise before the bench of which he was a magistrate. Why should they make this distinction between solicitors and barristers? He could not conceive any reason why they should not consider a solicitor to be as honourable and respectable as a barrister.
§ Mr. LUPTONrose in his place, and claimed to move, "That the Question be now put;" but the Chairman withheld his assent, and declined then to put that Question.
§ Question again proposed.
§ MR. LANE-FOXsaid that upon this Amendment he was in full agreement with the Solicitor-General. What was a solicitor? He was a person who could not possibly give an unbiassed opinion. The local solicitors knew the secrets and the skeletons in every cupboard, and they knew the business of almost all the people living in their district. The effect of this Amendment would be very serious, and he could not support it.
§ MR. WILLIAM RUTHERFORDsaid that every solicitor had to give an undertaking in the words of the present clause, and he thought that it was a proper provision to make. He would suggest that it should be made stronger.
§ Question put, "That the Question be now put."
518§ The Committee divided:—;Ayes, 310; Noes, 52. (Division List No. 60.)
519AYES. | ||
Abraham, William (Cork,N.E.) | Cory, Clifford John | Howard, Hon. Geoffrey |
Abraham, William (Rhondda) | Cowan, W. H. | Hudson, Walter |
Acland, Francis Dyke | Cox, Harold | Hyde, Clarendon |
Agnew, George William | Cremer, William Randal | Illingworth, Percy H. |
Armitage, R. | Crooks, William | Jackson, R. S. |
Armstrong, W. C. Neaton | Crossley, William J. | Jenkins, J. |
Asquith,Rt.Hon.HerbertHenry | Davies, David(Montgomery Co. | Johnson, John (Gateshead) |
Astbury, John Meir | Davies, Timothy (Fulham) | Johnson, W. (Nuneaton) |
Atherley-Jones, L. | Davies, W. Howell (Bristol, S.) | Jones, Leif (Appleby) |
Baker, Sir John (Portsmouth) | Delany, William | Jones, William (Carnarvonshire |
Baker, Joseph A. (Finsbury, E.) | Devlin, Charles Ramsay(Galwy | Joyce, Michael |
Balfour, Robert (Lanark) | Dewar, John A. (Inverness-sh. | Kearley, Hudson E. |
Baring, Godfrey (Isle of Wight) | Dickinson, W. H. (St. Pancras N | Kekewich, Sir George |
Barker, John | Dobson, Thomas W. | Kennedy, Vincent Paul |
Barlow, Percy (Bedford) | Dolan, Charles Joseph | Kincaid-Smith, Captain |
Barnard, E. B. | Donelan, Captain A. | King, Alfred John (Knutsford) |
Barnes, G. N. | Duckworth, James | Laidlaw, Robert |
Barran, Rowland Hirst | Duncan, C. (Barrow-in-Furness | Lamb, Edmund G. (Leominster |
Beale, W. P. | Dunn, A. Edward (Camborne) | Lambert, George |
Beauchamp, E. | Edwards, Clement (Denbigh) | Lamont, Norman |
Beaumont, W. C. B. (Hexham) | Edwards, Enoch (Hanley) | Law, Hugh Alexander |
Beck, A. Cecil | Edwards, Frank (Radnor) | Lawson, Sir Wilfrid |
Bellairs, Caryon | Ellis, Rt. Hon. John Edward | Lehmann, R. C. |
Benn, John Williams (Devonp'rt | Erskine, David C. | Lever, A. Levy (Essex,Harwich |
BennWT'w'rH'ml'ts S.G'orges | Essex, R. W. | Lever, W. H. (Cheshire, Wirral) |
Bennett, E. N. | Eve, Harry Trelawney | Levy, Maurice |
Berridge, T. H. D. | Everett, R. Lacey | Lloyd-George, Rt. Hon. David |
Bertram, Julius | Fenwick, Charles | Lough, Thomas |
Bethell, J. H. (Essex,Romford) | Ferens, T. R. | Lundon, W. |
Billson, Alfred | Fuller, John Michael F. | Lupton, Arnold |
Black,ArthurW.(Bedfordshire | Fullerton, Hugh | Luttrell, Hugh Fownes |
Boland, John | Gardner,Col.Alan(Hereford,S. | Lynch, H. B. |
Bolton, T. D. (Derbyshire,N.E. | Gill, James (Harrow) | Macdonald, J. R. (Leicester) |
Bottomley, Horatio | Gill, A. H. | Macdonald,J.M.(Falkirk B'ghs |
Boulton, A. C. F. (Ramsey) | Ginnell, L. | Mackarness, Frederic C. |
Brace, William | Gladstone,Rt.HnHerbert John | Macnamara, Dr. Thomas J. |
Bramsdon, T. A. | Glover, Thomas | Macpherson, J. T. |
Brigg, John | Gooch, George Peabody | MacVeagh, Jeremiah (Down,S. |
Brodie, H. C. | Grant, Corrie | MacVeigh,Charles (Donegal,E.) |
Brooke, Stopford | Greenwood, G. (Peterborough) | M'Callum, John M. |
Brunner,J.F.L. (Lancs. Leigh) | Griffith, Ellis J. | M'Crae, George |
Bryce,J. A. (Inverness Burghs) | Gulland, John W. | M'Kean, John |
Buchanan, Thomas Ryburn | Gurdon, Sir W. Brampton | M'Kenna, Reginald |
Burke, E. Haviland- | Haldane, Rt. Hon. Richard B. | M'Killop, W. |
Burnyeat, J. D. W. | Hall, Frederick | M'Micking, Major G. |
Burt, Rt. Hon. Thomas | Halpin, J. | Maddison, Frederick |
Buxton, Rt.Hn. SydneyCharles | Harcourt, Rt. Hon. Lewis | Manfield, Harry (Northants) |
Byles, William Pollard | Hardy, George A. (Suffolk) | Mansfield, H. Rendall (Lincoln) |
Cairns, Thomas | Harmsworth, Cecil B. (Worc'r) | Markham, Arthur Basil |
Carr-Gomm, H. W. | Harvey, A. G. C. (Rochdale) | Marks,G.Croydon (Launceston) |
Causton,Rt. Hn. RichardKnight | Harwood, George | Marnham, F. J. |
Cawley, Frederick | Haslam, James (Derbyshire | Massie, J. |
Cheetham, John Frederick | Haslam, Lewis (Monmouth) | Meehan, Patrick A. |
Cherry, Rt. Hon. R. R. | Haworth, Arthur A. | Menzies, Walter |
Clarke, C. Goddard (Peckham) | Hayden, John Patrick | Micklem, Nathaniel |
Cleland, J. W. | Hazel, Dr. A. E. | Molteno, Percy Alfred |
Clough, W. | Hazleton, Richard | Mond, A. |
Coats, Sir T.Glen (Renfrew, W.) | Hedges, A. Paget | Montagu, E. S. |
Cobbold, Felix Thornley | Helme, Norval Watson | Mooney, J. J. |
Cogan, Denis J. | Henderson, Arthur (Durham) | Morrell, Philip |
Collins, Stephen (Lambeth) | Higham, John Sharp | Morse, L. L. |
Collins,SirWm.J. (S. PancrasW | Hobart, Sir Robert | Morton, Alpheus Cleophas |
Cooper, G. J. | Holland, Sir William Henry | Murphy, John |
Corbett,CH(Sussex,E.Grinst'd | Hooper, A. G. | Murray, James |
Cornwall, Sir Edwin A. | Hope, W.Bateman(Somerset,N | Myer, Horatio |
Horniman, Emslie John | ||
Nannetti, Joseph P. | Robinson, S. | Taylor, Theodore C. (Radcliffe) |
Newnes, F. (Notts, Bassetlaw) | Robson, Sir William Snowdon | Tennant, E. P. (Salisbury) |
Nicholls, George | Roe, Sir Thomas | Thomas,Abel (Carmarthen, E.) |
Nicholson,CharlesN.(Doncaster | Rogers, F. E. Newman | Thomas, David Alfred (Merthyr |
Nolan, Joseph | Rose, Charles Day | Tomkinson, James |
Norton, Capt. Cecil William | Rowlands, J. | Torrance, A. M. |
Nuttall, Harry | Runciman, Walter | Toulmin, George |
O'Brien,Kendal(TipperaryMid | Russell, T. W. | Trevelyan, Charles Philips. |
O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny) | Samuel, Herbert L. (Cleveland) | Ure, Alexander |
O'Connor,James (Wicklow,W.) | Samuel, S. M. (Whitechapel) | Verney, F. W. |
O'Connor, John (Kildare, N.) | Scarisbrick, T. T. L. | Vivian, Henry |
O'Donnell, C. J. (Walworth) | Schwann, C. Duncan (Hyde) | Walker, H. De R. (Leicester) |
O'Grady, J. | Schwann, Chas. E. (Manchester | Walsh, Stephen |
O'Kelly, James(Roscommon,N | Sears, J. E. | Walters, John Tudor |
O'Malley, William | Seaverns, J. H. | Wardle, George J. |
O'Mara, James | Seddon, J. | Wason, Eugene (Clackmannan |
O'Shee, James John | Seely, Major J. B. | Wason, John Cathcart (Orkney |
Parker, James (Halifax) | Shackleton, David James | Waterlow, D. S. |
Pearson, Sir W. D. (Colchester) | Shaw, Charles Edw. (Stafford) | Wedgwood, Josiah C. |
Philipps, Owen C. (Pembroke) | Shaw, Rt. Hon. T. (Hawick B.) | Weir, James Galloway |
Pickersgill, Edward Hare | Sheehan, Daniel Daniel | White, George (Norfolk) |
Power, Patrick Joseph | Shipman, Dr. John G. | White, J. D. (Dumbartonshire) |
Price, C. E. (Edinb'gh,Central) | Silcock, Thomas Ball | White, Luke (York, E. R.) |
Radford, G. H. | Simon, John Allsebrook | White, Patrick (Meath, North) |
Rainy, A. Holland | Sinclair, Rt. Hon. John | Whitehead, Rowland |
Raphael, Herbert H. | Smeaton, Donald Mackenzie | Whitley, J. H. (Halifax) |
Rea, Russell (Gloucester) | Snowden, P. | Whittaker, Thomas Palmer |
Rea, Walter Russell (Scarboro' | Soares, Ernest J. | Wiles, Thomas |
Redmond, John E. (Waterford) | Spicer, Albert | Williams, J. (Glamorgan) |
Redmond, William (Clare) | Stanger, H. Y. | Williams, W. L. (Carmarthen) |
Rees, J. D. | Stanley, Hn. A. Lyulph (Chesh. | Wills, Arthur Walters |
Renton, Major Leslie | Steadman, W. C. | Wood, T. M'Kinnon |
Richards, T. F. (Wolverh'pt'n | Stewart, Halley (Greenock) | Woodhouse,SirJT.(Huddersf'd |
Richardson, A. | Stewart-Smith, D. (Kendal) | Young, Samuel |
Rickett, J. Compton | Strachey, Sir Edward | |
Ridsdale, E. A. | Straus, B. S. (Mile End) | TELLERS FOR THE AYES.—; |
Roberts, Charles H. (Lincoln) | Strauss, E. A. (Abingdon) | Mr. Whiteley and Mr. J. A. Pease. |
Roberts, G. H. (Norwich) | Sullivan, Donal | |
Robertson, Rt. Hn. E. (Dundee | Summerbell, T. | |
Robertson,Sir G. Scott(Bradf'd | Taylor, John W. (Durham) | |
NOES. | ||
Acland-Hood, Rt.Hn.SirAlexF. | Duncan, Robert(Lanark,Govan | O'Neill, Hon. Robert Torrens |
Arnold-Forster,Rt, Hn.HughO. | Finch, Rt. Hon. George H. | Rasch, Sir Frederic Carne |
Ashley, W. W. | Forster, Henry William | Remnant, James Farquharson |
Aubrey-Fletcher,Rt.Hn. Sir H. | Gibbs, G. A. (Bristol, West) | Ropner, Colonel Sir Robert |
Balcarres, Lord | Hamilton, Marquess of | Rutherford, John (Lancashire) |
Balfour,Rt.Hn.A.J.(City Lond. | Hay, Hon. Claude George | Rutherford, W. W. (Liverpool) |
Barrie, H. T. (Londonderry,N.) | Helmsley, Viscount | Sassoon, Sir Edward Albeit |
Beach, Hn. Michael HughHicks | Hervey, F.W.F. (BuryS. Edm'ds | Smith, Abel H. (Hertford, East |
Bridgeman, W. Clive | Hill, Sir Clement (Shrewsbury) | Smith, F.E.(Liverpool, Walton) |
Carlile, E. Hildred | Hills, J. W. | Starkey, John R. |
Castlereagh, Viscount | Houston, Robert Paterson | Thomson, W. Mitchell-(Lanark |
Cave, George | Hunt, Rowland | Valentia, Viscount |
Cecil, Lord R. (Marylebone, E.) | Lane-Fox, G. R. | Williams, Col. R. (Dorset, W.) |
Cochrane, Hon. Thos. H. A. E. | Legge, Col. Hon. Honeage | Younger, George |
Corbett, T. L. (Down, North) | Liddell, Henry | |
Courthope, G. Loyd | Lonsdale, John Brownlee | TELLERS FOR THE NOES.—; |
Craig, Captain James (Down,E. | M'Callum, John M. | Sir William Bull and Mr. Charles Craig. |
Craik, Sir Henry | Meysey-Thompson, Major E.C. | |
Dairymple, Viscount | Nield, Herbert |
§ Question put accordingly, "That the words proposed to be left out, to the
§ The Committee divided:—;Ayes, 318; Noes, 46. (Division List No. 61.)
AYES. | ||
Abraham, Wm. (Cork, N.E.) | Acland, Francis Dyke | Armitage, R. |
Abraham, William (Rhondda) | Agnew, George William | Armstrong, W. C. Heaton |
Asquith, Rt. Hn. Herbert H. | Dobson, Thomas W. | Lambert, George |
Astbury, John Meir | Dolan, Charles Joseph | Lane-Fox, G. R. |
Baker, Sir John (Portsmouth) | Donelan, Captain A. | Law, Hugh Alexander |
Baker, Joseph A. (Finsbury,E.) | Duckworth, James | Lawson, Sir Wilfrid |
Balfour, Robert (Lanark) | Duncan, C. (Barrow-in-Furness | Lehmann, R. C. |
Baring, Godfrey (Isle of Wight) | Dunn, A. Edward (Camborne) | Lever,A.Levy(Essex, Harwich) |
Barker, John | Edwards, Clement (Denbigh) | Lever, W.H. (Cheshire, Wirral) |
Barlow, Percy (Bedford) | Edwards, Enoch (Hanley) | Levy, Maurice |
Barnard, E. B. | Edwards, Frank (Radnor) | Lloyd-George, Rt. Hon. David |
Barnes, G. N. | Ellis, Rt. Hon. John Edward | Lough, Thomas |
Barran, Rowland Hirst | Erskine, David C. | Lundon, W. |
Beale, W. P. | Essex, R. W. | Lupton, Arnold |
Beauchamp, E. | Eve, Harry Trelawney | Luttrell, Hugh Fownes |
Beaumont, W. C. B. (Hexham) | Everett, R. Lacey | Lynch, H. B. |
Beck, A. Cecil | Fenwick, Charles | Macdonald, J. R. (Leicester) |
Bellairs, Carlyon | Ferens, T. R. | Macdonald, J.M. (Falkirk Bghs |
Benn, John Williams(Devonprt | Fuller, John Michael F. | Mackarness, Frederic C. |
Benn, W.(T'w'rHamlets,S.Geo. | Fullerton, Hugh | Macnamara, Dr. Thomas J. |
Bennett, E. N. | Gardner, Col. Alan (Hereford,S | Macpherson, J. T. |
Berridge, T. H. D. | Gibb, James (Harrow) | MacVeagh, Jeremiah (Down, S. |
Bertram, Julius | Gill, A. H. | MacVeigh, Chas. (Donegal, E.) |
Bethell, J.H.(Essex, Romford) | Ginnell, L. | M'Callum, John M. |
Billson, Alfred | Gladstone, Rt. Hn. Herbert J. | M Crae, George |
Black, ArthurW.(Bedfordshire) | Glover, Thomas | M'Kean, John |
Boland, John | Gooch, George Peabody | M'Kenna, Reginald |
Bolton, T. D. (Derbyshire, N.E. | Grant, Corrie | M'Killop, W. |
Bottomley, Horatio | Greenwood, G. (Peterborough) | M'Micking, Major G. |
Boulton, A. C. F. (Ramsey) | Griffith, Ellis J. | Maddison, Frederick |
Brace, William | Gulland, John W. | Manfield, Harry (Northants) |
Bramsdon, T. A. | Gurdon, Sir W. Brampton | Mansfield, H. Rendall(Lincoln) |
Bridgeman, W. Clive | Haldane, Rt. Hn. Richard B. | Markham, Arthur Basil |
Brigg, John | Hall, Frederick | Marks, G.Croydon(Launceston) |
Brodie, H. C. | Halpin, J. | Marnham, F. J. |
Brooke, Stopford | Harcourt, Rt. Hon. Lewis | Mason, A. E. W. (Coventry) |
Brunner, J.F.L. (Lancs.,Leigh) | Hardy, George A. (Suffolk) | Massie, J. |
Bryce, J.A.(Inverness Burghs) | Harmsworth, Cecil B. (Worc'r.) | Meagher, Michael |
Buchanan, Thomas Ryburn | Harvey, A. G. C. (Rochdale) | Meehan, Patrick A. |
Burke, E. Haviland- | Harwood, George | Menzies, Walter |
Burnyeat, J. D. W. | Haslam, James (Derbyshire) | Micklem, Nathaniel |
Burt, Rt. Hon. Thomas | Haslam, Lewis (Monmouth) | Molteno, Percy Alfred |
Buxton, Rt. Hn. Sydney Chas. | Haworth, Arthur A. | Mond, A. |
Byles, William Pollard | Hayden, John Patrick | Money, L. G. Chiozza |
Cairns, Thomas | Hazel, Dr. A. E. | Montagu, E. S. |
Carr-Goram, W. H. | Hazleton, Richard | Mooney, J. J. |
Causton, Rt. Hn. Richard K. | Hedges, A. Paget | Morgan, G. Hay (Cornwall) |
Cave, George | Helme, Norval Watson | Morrell, Philip |
Cawley, Frederick | Helmsley, Viscount | Morse, L. L. |
Cheetham, John Frederick | Henderson, Arthur (Durham) | Morton, Alpheus Cleophas |
Cherry, Rt. Hon. R. R. | Higham, John Sharp | Murphy, John |
Clarke, C. Goddard (Peckham) | Hobart, Sir Robert | Murray, James |
Cleland, J. W. | Holland, Sir William Henry | Nannetti, Joseph P. |
Clough, W. | Hooper, A. G. | Newnes, F. (Notts, Bassetlaw) |
Coats, Sir T. Glen (Renfrew, W | Hope,W. Bateman (Somerset,N | Nicholls, George |
Cobbold, Felix Thornley | Horniman, Emslie John | Nicholson, Chas. N. (Doncaster |
Cogan, Denis J. | Howard, Hon. Geoffrey | Nolan, Joseph |
Collins, Stephen (Lambeth) | Hudson, Walter | Norton, Capt. Cecil William |
Collins, Sir W. J. (S Pancras,W | Hyde, Clarendon | Nuttall, Harry |
Cooper, G. J. | Illingworth, Percy H. | O'Brien, K. (Tipperary Mid. |
Corbett,C.H(Sussex,EGrinst'd) | Jackson, R. S. | O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny) |
Cornwall, Sir Edwin A. | Jenkins, J. | O Connor, James (Wicklow, W |
Cory, Clifford John | Johnson, John (Gateshead) | O'Connor, John (Kildare, N.) |
Cowan, W. H. | Johnson, W. (Nuneaton) | O'Donnell, C. J. (Walworth) |
Cox, Harold | Jones, Leif (Appleby) | O'Grady, J. |
Cremer, William Randal | Jones, William (Carnarvonsh. | O'Kelly,James (Roscommon,N |
Crooks, William | Jowett, F. W. | O'Malley, William |
Crossley, William J. | Joyce, Michael | O'Mara, James |
Davies, David(MontgomeryCo. | Kearley, Hudson E. | O'Shee, James John |
Davies, Timothy (Fulham) | Kekewich, Sir George | Parker, James (Halifax) |
Davies, W. Howell (Bristol, S.) | Kennedy, Vincent Paul | Pearson, Sir W. D. (Colchester) |
Delany, William | Kincaid-Smith, Captain | Philipps, Owen C. (Pembroke) |
Devlin, Chas. Ramsay (Galway | King, Alfred John (Knutsford) | Pickersgill, Edward Hare |
Dewar, John A. (Inverness-sh. | Laidlaw, Robert | Power, Patrick Joseph |
Dickinson, W.H(StPancras, N. | Lamb, Edmund G. (Leominster | Price, C.E. (Edinb'gh, Central) |
Radford, G. H. | Seaverns, J. H. | Trevelyan, Charles Philips |
Rainy, A. Rolland | Seddon, J. | Ure, Alexander |
Raphael, Herbert H. | Seely, Major J. B. | Verney, F. W. |
Rea, Russell (Gloucester) | Shackleton, David James | Vivian, Henry |
Rea, Walter Russell (Scarboro' | Shaw, Charles Edw. (Stafford) | Walker, H. De R. (Leicester) |
Redmond, John E. (Waterford | Shaw, Rt. Hn. T. (Hawick B.) | Walsh, Stephen |
Redmond, William (Clare) | Sheehan, Daniel Daniel | Walters, John Tudor |
Rees, J. D. | Shipman, Dr. John G. | Wardle, George J. |
Renton, Major Leslie | Silcock, Thomas Ball | Wason, Eugene (Clackmannan |
Richards, T. F.)Wolverh'mptn | Simon, John Allsebrook | Wason, John Cathcart(Orkney |
Richardson, A. | Sinclair, Rt. Hon. John | Waterlow, D. S. |
Rickett, J. Compton | Smeaton, Donald Mackenzie | Wedgwood, Josiah C. |
Ridsdale, E. A. | Snowden, P. | Weir, James Galloway |
Roberts, Chas. H. (Lincoln) | Soares, Ernest J. | White, George (Norfolk) |
Roberts, G. H. (Norwich) | Spicer, Albert | White, J. D. (Dumbartonshire |
Robertson, Rt. Hn. E. (Dundee | Stanger, H. Y. | White, Luke (York, E. R. |
Robertson, SirGScott(Bradf'rd | Stanley, Hn. A. Lyulph(Chesh | White, Patrick (Meath, North) |
Robinson, S. | Steadman, W. C. | Whitehead, Rowland |
Robson, Sir William Snowdon | Stewart, Halley (Greenock) | Whitley, J. H. (Halifax) |
Roe, Sir Thomas | Stewart-Smith, D. (Kendal) | Whittaker, Thomas Palmer |
Rogers, F. E. Newman | Strachey, Sir Edward | Wiles, Thomas |
Rose, Charles Day | Straus, B. S. (Mile End) | Williams, J. (Glamorgan) |
Rowlands, J. | Strauss, E. A. (Abindgon) | Williams, W. L. (Carmarthen) |
Runciman, Walter | Sullivan, Donal | Wills, Arthur Walters |
Robertson, Rt. Hn. E(Dundee) | Summerbell, T. | Wood, T. M'Kinnon |
Rutherford, W. W. (Liverpool) | Taylor, John W. (Durham) | Woodhouse, SirJT(Huddersf'd |
Samuel, Herbert L. (Cleveland) | Taylor, Theodore C. (Radcliffe) | Young, Samuel |
Samuel, S. M. (Whitechapel) | Tennant, E. P. (Salisbury) | |
Scarisbrick, T. T. L. | Thomas, Abel (Carmarthen, E. | TELLERS FOR THE AYES:—;Mr.Whiteley and Mr. Herbert Lewis. |
Schwann, C. Duncan (Hyde) | Thomas, DavidAlfred(Merthyr | |
Schwann, Chas.E. (Manchester) | Tomkinson, James | |
Scott, A.H. (AshtonunderLyne | Torrance, A. M. | |
Sears, J. E. | Toulmin, George | |
NOES. | ||
Acland-Hood, Rt. Hn.SirAlexF | Finch, Rt. Hn. George H. | O'Neill, Hon. Robert Torrens |
Arnold-Forster, Rt. Hn H. O. | Forster, Henry William | Rasch, Sir Frederic Carne |
Ashley, W. W. | Gibbs, G. A. (Bristol, West) | Remnant, James Farquharson |
Aubrey-Fletcher, Rt. Hn.Sir H | Hamilton, Marquess of | Ropner, Colonel Sir Robert |
Balcarres, Lord | Hay, Hon. Claude George | Rutherford, John (Lancashire) |
Barrie, H. T. (Londonderry, N | Hervey,F.W.F.(BurySEdm'ds) | Sassoon, Sir Edward Albert |
Beach, Hn. Michael H. Hicks | Hill, Sir Clement (Shrewsbury) | Smith, F.E. (Liverpool, Walton |
Carlile, E. Hildred | Hills, J. W. | Starkey, John R. |
Castlereagh, Viscount | Houston, Robert Paterson | Thomson, W. Mitchell-(Lanark |
Cecil, Lord R. (Marylebone, E.) | Hunt, Rowland | Valentia, Viscount |
Cochrane, Hon. Thos. H. A. E. | Keswick, William | Williams, Col. R. (Dorset, W.) |
Corbett, T. L. (Down, North) | Legge, Col. Hon. Heneage | Younger, George |
Courthope, G. Loyd | Liddell, Henry | |
Craig, Captain J. (Down, E.) | Lonsdale, John Brownlee | TELLERS FOR THE NOES:—;Sir William Bull and Mr. Charles Craig. |
Craik, Sir Henry | M'Calmont, Colonel James | |
Dairymple, Viscount | Meysey-Thompson, Major E.C. | |
Duncan, Robert (Lanark,Govan | Nield, Herbert |
§ word 'or,' in line 13, stand part of the Clause."
523§ And, it being after Eleven of the clock, the Chairman proceeded to interrupt the business.
§ Whereupon Mr. SOLICITOR-GENERAL claimed, "That the Question 'That the
524§ Clause stand part of the Bill' be now put."
§ The Committee divided:—;Ayes, 304; Noes, 52. (Division List No. 62.)
527AYES. | ||
Abraham, William (Cork, N.E. | Astbury, John Meir | Barlow, Percy (Bedford) |
Abraham, William (Rhondda) | Baker, Sir John (Portsmouth) | Barnard, E. B. |
Acland, Francis Dyke | Baker, Joseph A. (Finsbury, E. | Barnes, G. N. |
Agnew, George William | Balfour, Robert (Lanark) | Barran, Rowland Hirst |
Armitage, R. | Baring, Godfrey (Isle of Wight) | Beale, W. P. |
Armstrong, W. C. Heaton | Barker, John | Beauchamp, E. |
Beaumont, W. C. B. (Hexham) | Gardner, Col. Alan (Hereford,S | M'Crae, George |
Beck, A. Cecil | Gibb, James (Harrow) | M'Kean, John |
Bellairs, Carlyon | Gill, A. H. | M'Kenna, Reginald |
Benn, John Williams(De vonp'rt | Ginnell, L. | M'Killop, W. |
Benn, W.(T'w'r Hamlets,SGeo. | Gladstone, Rt. Hn. Herbert J. | M'Micking, Major G. |
Bennett, E. N. | Glover, Thomas | Maddison, Frederick |
Berridge, T. H. D. | Gooch, George Peabody | Manfield, Harry (Northants) |
Bertram, Julius | Grant, Corrie | Mansfield, H. Rendall (Lincoln |
Billson, Alfred | Greenwood, G. (Peterborough) | Markham, Arthur Basil |
Black, A. W. (Bedfordshire) | Griffith, Ellis J. | Marks, G.Croydon (Launceston |
Boland, John | Gulland, John W. | Marnham, F. J. |
Bolton, T. D. (Derbyshire, N.E. | Gurdon, Sir W. Brampton | Mason, A. E. W. (Coventry) |
Boulton, A. C. F. (Ramsey) | Haldane, Rt. Hon. Richard B. | Massie, J. |
Brace, William | Hall, Frederick | Meagher, Michael |
Bramsdon, T. A. | Halpin, J. | Meehan, Patrick A. |
Brigg, John | Harcourt, Right Hon. Lewis | Menzies, Walter |
Brodie, H. C. | Hardy, George A. (Suffolk) | Micklem, Nathaniel |
Brooke, Stopford | Harmsworth, Cecil B. (Worc'r | Molteno, Percy Alfred |
Brunner, J. F. L. (Lancs.,Leigh | Harvey, A. G. C. (Rochdale) | Mond, A. |
Bryce, J. A. (Inverness Burghs | Harwood, George | Money, L. G. Chiozza |
Buchanan, Thomas Ryburn | Haslam, James (Derbyshire) | Montagu, E. S. |
Burke, E. Haviland- | Haslam, Lewis (Monmouth) | Mooney, J. J. |
Burnyeat, J. D. W. | Haworth, Arthur A. | Morgan, G. Hay (Cornwall) |
Burt, Rt. Hon. Thomas | Hayden, John Patrick | Morrell, Philip |
Buxton, Rt. Hn. Sydney Chas. | Hazel, Dr. A. E. | Morse, L. L. |
Byles, William Pollard | Hazleton, Richard | Morton, Alpheus Cleophas |
Cairns, Thomas | Hedges, A. Paget | Murphy, John |
Carr-Gomm, H. W. | Helme, Norval Watson | Murray, James |
Causton, Rt Hn.RichardKnight | Henderson, Arthur (Durham) | Nannetti, Joseph P. |
Cawley, Frederick | Higham, John Sharp | Newnes, F. (Notts, Bassetlaw) |
Cheetham, John Frederick | Hobart, Sir Robert | Nicholls, George |
Cherry, Rt. Hon. R. R. | Holland, Sir William Henry | Nicholson, Chas. N. (Doncaster |
Clarke, C. Goddard (Peckham) | Hooper, A. G. | Nolan, Joseph |
Cleland, J. W. | Hope, W. Bateman(Somerset,N. | Norton, Capt. Cecil William |
Clough, W. | Horniman, Emslie John | Nuttall, Harry |
Coats, Sir T. Glen (Renfrew,W.) | Howard, Hon. Geoffrey | O'Brien,Kendal(Tipperary,Mid |
Cobbold, Felix Thornley | Hudson, Walter | O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny) |
Cogan, Denis J. | Hyde, Clarendon | O'Connor, James (Wicklow, W |
Collins, Stephen (Lambeth) | Illingworth, Percy H. | O'Connor, John (Kildare, N.) |
Collins,SirWm.J (S.Pancras,W. | Jackson, R. S. | O'Donnell, C. J. (Walworth) |
Cooper, G. J. | Jenkins, J. | O'Grady, J. |
Corbett,C H (Sussex,E.Grinst'd | Johnson, John (Gateshead) | O'Kelly,James (Roscommon,N |
Cornwall, Sir Edwin A. | Johnson, W. (Nuneaton) | O'Malley, William |
Cory, Clifford John | Jones, Leif (Appleby) | O'Mara, James |
Cowan, W. H. | Jones, William (Carnarvonsh. | O'Shee, James John |
Cremer, William Randal | Jowett, F. W. | Parker, James (Halifax) |
Crooks, William | Joyce, Michael | Pearson, Sir W. D. (Colchester) |
Crossley, William J. | Kearley, Hudson E. | Philipps, Owen C. (Pembroke) |
Davies,David(MontgomeryCo.) | Kekewich, Sir George | Pickersgill, Edward Hare |
Davies, Timothy (Fulham) | Kennedy, Vincent Paul | Power, Patrick Joseph |
Davies, W. Howell (Bristol, S.) | Kincaid-Smith, Captain | Price, C. E. (Edinburgh,Central |
Delany, William | King, Alfred John (Knutsford) | Radford, G. H. |
Devlin, Chas. Ramsay (Galway | Lamb, Edmund G. (Leominster | Rainy, A. Holland |
Dewar, John A. (Inverness-sh. | Lambert, George | Raphael, Herbert H. |
Dickinson,H.W.(St.Pancras,N. | Law, Hugh Alexander | Rea, Russell (Gloucester) |
Dobson, Thomas W. | Lawson, Sir Wilfrid | Rea, Walter Russell (Scarboro' |
Dolan, Charles Joseph | Lehmann, R. C. | Redmond, John E. (Waterford |
Donelan, Captain A. | Lever, A. Levy (Essex,Harwich | Redmond, William (Clare) |
Duckworth, James | Lever, W. H. (Cheshire, Wirral | Rees, J. D. |
Duncan, C. (Barrow-in-Furness | Levy, Maurice | Renton, Major Leslie |
Dunn, A. Edward (Camborne) | Lloyd-George, Rt. Hon. David | Richards, T. F. (Wolverh'mptn |
Edwards, Clement (Denbigh) | Lough, Thomas | Richardson, A. |
Edwards, Enoch (Hanley) | Lundon, W. | Rickett, J. Compton |
Edwards, Frank (Radnor) | Lupton, Arnold | Ridsdale, E. A. |
Ellis, Rt. Hon. John Edward | Luttrell, Hugh Fownes | Roberts, Charles H. (Lincoln) |
Erskine, David C. | Lynch, H. B. | Roberts, G. H. (Norwich) |
Essex, R. W. | Macdonald, J. R. (Leicester) | Robertson, Rt. Hn. E. (Dundee |
Eve, Harry Trelawney | Macdonald, J.M.(Falkirk B'ghs | Robertson, Sir GScott(Bradf rd |
Everett, R. Lacey | Mackarness, Frederic C. | Robinson, S. |
Fenwick, Charles | Macnamara, Dr. Thomas J. | Robson, Sir William Snowdon |
Ferens, T. R. | MacVeagh, Jeremiah (Down, S | Roe, Sir Thomas |
Fuller, John Michael F. | MacVeigh, Chas. (Donegal, E.) | Rogers, F. E. Newman |
Fullerton, Hugh | M'Callum, John M. | Rose, Charles Day |
Rowlands, J. | Spicer, Albert | Wardle, George J. |
Runciman, Walter | Stanger, H. Y. | Wason, Eugene (Clackmannan |
Russell, T. W. | Stanley, Hn. A.Lyulph(Chesh) | Wason, John Cathcart(Orkney |
Samuel, Herbert L. (Cleveland | Steadman, W. C. | Waterlow, D. S. |
Samuel, S. M. (Whitechapel) | Stewart-Smith, D. (Kendal) | Wedgwood, Josiah C. |
Scarisbrick, T. T. L. | Strachey, Sir Edward | Weir, James Galloway |
Schwann, C. Duncan (Hyde) | Straus, B. S. (Mile End) | White, George (Norfolk) |
Schwann, Chas. E. (Manchester | Strauss, E. A. (Abingdon) | White, J. D. (Dumbartonshire |
Scott,A.H.(Ashton under Lyne | Sullivan, Donal | White, Luke (York, E. R.) |
Sears, J. E. | Summerbell, T. | White, Patrick (Meath, North |
Seaverns, J. H. | Taylor, John W. (Durham) | Whitehead, Rowland |
Seddon, J. | Taylor, Theodore C. (Radcliffe | Whitley, J. H. (Halifax) |
Seely, Major J. B. | Tennant, E. P. (Salisbury) | Whittaker, Thomas Palmer |
Shackleton, David James | Thomas, Abel (Carmarthen, E. | Wiles, Thomas |
Shaw, Charles Edw. (Stafford) | Thomas, David Alfred(Merthyr | Williams, J. (Glamorgan) |
Shaw, Rt. Hn. T. (Hawick, B.) | Tomkinson, James | Williams, W. L. (Carmarthen) |
Sheehan, Daniel Daniel | Torrance, A. M. | Wills, Arthur Walters |
Shipman, Dr. John G. | Toulmin, George | Wood, T. M'Kinnon |
Silcock, Thomas Ball | Trevelyan, Charles Philips | Woodhouse,SirJ.T.(Hudd'rsf'd |
Simon, John Allsebrook | Verney, F. W. | Young, Samuel |
Sinclair, Rt. Hon. John | Vivian, Henry | |
Smeaton, Donald Mackenzie | Walker, H. De R. (Leicester) | TELLERS FOR THE AYES—;Mr.Whiteley and Mr. Herbert Lewis. |
Snowdon, P. | Walsh, Stephen | |
Soares, Ernest J. | Walters, John Tudor | |
NOES. | ||
Acland-Hood,Rt Hn Sir AlexF. | Dalrymple, Viscount | Nield, Herbert |
Arnold-Forster,Rt.Hn.HughO. | Duncan, Robt. (Lanark, Govan | O'Neill, Hon. Robert Torrens |
Ashley, W. W. | Finch, Rt. Hon. George H. | Rasch, Sir Frederic Carne |
Aubrey-Fletcher, Rt. Hn. SirH | Forster, Henry William | Remnant, J. Farquharson |
Balcarres, Lord | Gibbs, G. A. (Bristol, West) | Ropner, Colonel Sir Robert |
Barrie, H.T.(Londonderry, N.)| | Hamilton, Marquess of | Rutherford, John (Lancashire |
Beach, Hn. Michael HughHicks | Helmsley, Viscount | Salter, Arthur Clavell |
Bridgeman, W. Clive | Hervey,F.W.F.(BuryS.Edm'ds | Smith, Abel H. (Hertford, East |
Bull, Sir William James | Hill, Sir Clement (Shrewsbury) | Smith, F. E. (Liverpool,Walton |
Carlile, E. Hildred | Hills, J. W. | Starkey, John R. |
Castlereagh, Viscount | Houston, Robert Paterson | Thomson,W. Mitchell-(Lanark) |
Cave, George | Hunt, Rowland | Valentia, Viscount |
Cecil, Lord R. (Marylebone, E. | Keswick, William | Williams, Col. R. (Dorset, W.) |
Cochrane, Hon. Thos, H. A. E | Lane-Fox, G. R. | Younger, George |
Corbett, T. L. (Down, North) | Legge, Col. Hon. Heneage | |
Courthope, G. Loyd | Liddell, Henry | TELLERS FOR THE NOES—;Mr. Claude Hay and Mr. Watson Rutherford. |
Craig, Chas. Curtis (Antrim, S. | Lonsdale, John Brownlee | |
Craig, Captain James (Down,E | M'Calmont, Colonel James | |
Craik, Sir Henry | Meysey-Thompson, Major E.C. |
§ Question put accordingly, "That the clause stand part of the Bill."
528§ The Committee divided:—;Ayes, 295; Noes, 42. (Division List No. 63.)
531AYES. | ||
Abraham, William (Cork, N.E. | Beaumont, W. C. B. (Hexham) | Bryce, J. A. (InvernessBurghs) |
Abraham, William (Rhondda) | Beck, A. Cecil | Buchanan, Thomas Ryburn |
Acland, Francis Dyke | Bellairs, Carlyon | Burke, E. Haviland- |
Agnew, George William | Benn,John Williams (Devonp'rt | Burnyeat, J. D. W. |
Armitage, R. | Benn, W.(T'w'rHamlets,S.Geo. | Burt, Rt. Hon. Thomas |
Armstrong, W. C. Heaton | Bennett, E. N. | Buxton, Rt. Hon. Sydney Chas. |
Astbury, John Meir | Berridge, T. H. D. | Byles, William Pollard |
Baker, Sir John (Portsmouth) | Billson, Alfred | Cairns, Thomas |
Baker, JosephA.(Finsbury,E.) | Black, ArthurW.(Bedfordshire | Carr-Gomm, H.W. |
Balfour, Robert (Lanark) | Boland, John | Causton,Rt.Hn.RichardKnight |
Baring, Godfrey (Isle ofWight) | Bolton, T.D. (Derbyshire, N.E. | Cave, George |
Barker, John | Boulton, A. C. F. (Ramsey) | Cawley, Frederick |
Barlow, Percy (Bedford) | Brace, William | Cheetham, John Frederick |
Barnard, E. B. | Bramsdon, T. A. | Cherry, Rt. Hon. R. R. |
Barnes, G. N. | Brigg, John | Clarke, C. Goddard (Peckham) |
Barran, Rowland Hirst | Brodie, H. C. | Cleland, J. W. |
Beale, W. P. | Brooke, Stopford | Clough, W. |
Beauchamp, E. | Brunner, J.F.L. (Lancs.,Leigh) | Coats, Sir T. Glen(Renfrew,W.) |
Cobbold, Felix Thornley | Illingworth, Percy H. | O'Kelly, James(Roscommon,N |
Cogan, Denis J. | Jenkins, J. | O'Malley, William |
Collins, Stephen (Lambeth) | Johnson, John (Gateshead | O'Mara, James |
(Collins, SirWm.J.(S.Pancras,W | Johnson, W. (Nuneatoii) | O'Shee, James John |
Cooper, G. J. | Jones, Leif (Appleby) | Parker, James (Halifax) |
Corbett, CH (Sussex,K.Grinst'd | Jones, William (Carnarvonshire | Pearson, Sir W.D. (Colchester) |
Cornwall, Sir Edwin A. | Jowett, F. W. | Philipps, Owen, C. (Pembroke) |
Cory, Clifford John | Joyce, Michael | Pickersgill, Edward Hare |
Cowan, W. H. | Kearley, Hudson, E. | Power, Patrick Joseph |
Cremer, William Randal | Kennedy, Vincent Paul | Price, C.E. (Edinburgh Central) |
Crooks, William | Kincaid-Smith, Captain | Radford, G. H. |
Crossley, William J. | King, Alfred John (Knutsford) | Rainy, A. Holland |
Davies, David(MontgomeryCo. | Lamb, Edmund G. (Leominster | Raphael, Herbert H. |
Davies, Timothy (Fulham) | Lambert, George | Rea, Russell (Gloucester) |
Davies, W. Howell (Bristol, S.) | Law, Hugh Alexander | Rea, Walter Russell (Scarboro' |
Delany, William | Lawson, Sir Wilfrid | Redmond, John E. (Waterford |
Devlin,CharlesRamsay(Galway | Lehmann, R. C. | Redmond, William (Clare) |
Dewar, John A. (Inverness-sh. | Lever, A. Levy(Essex,Harwich | Rees, J. D. |
Dickinson, H.W.(St.Pancras,N | Lever, W.H. (Cheshire,Wirral) | Renton, Major Leslie |
Dobson, Thomas W. | Levy, Maurice | Richards, T.F. (Wolverh'mpt'n |
Dolan, Charles Joseph | Lloyd-George, Rt. Hon. David | Richardson, A. |
Donelan, Captain A. | Lough, Thomas | Rickett, J. Compton |
Duckworth, James | Lundon, W. | Ridsdale, E. A. |
Duncan, C. (Barrow-in-Furness | Lupton, Arnold | Roberts, Charles H. (Lincoln) |
Dunn, A. Edward (Camborne) | Luttrell, Hugh Fownes | Roberts, G. H. (Norwich) |
Edwards, Clement (Denbigh) | Lynch, H. B. | Robertson, SirG.Scott(Bradf'rd |
Edwards, Enoch (Hanley) | Macdonald, J. R. (Leicester) | Robinson, S. |
Edwards, Frank (Radnor) | Macdonald, J.M. (Falkirk B'ghs | Robson, Sir William Snowdon |
Ellis, Rt. Hon. John Edward | Mackarness, Frederic C. | Roe, Sir Thomas |
Erskine, David C. | Macnamara, Dr. Thomas J. | Rogers, F. E. Newman |
Essex, R. W. | MacVeagh, Jeremiah (Down,S. | Rose, Charles Day |
Eve, Harry Trelawney | MacVeigh, Charles(Donegal,E. | Rowlands, J. |
Everett, R. Lacey | M'Callum, John M. | Runciman, Walter |
Fenwick, Charles | M'Crae, George | Russell, T. W. |
Ferens, T. R. | M'Kean, John | Samuel, Herbert L. (Cleveland |
Fuller, John Michael F. | M'Kenna, Reginald | Samuel, S. M. Whitechapel) |
Fullerton, Hugh | M'Killop, W. | Scarisbrick, T. T. L. |
Gardner, Col.Alan(Hereford,S.) | M'Micking, Major G. | Schwann, C. Duncan (Hyde) |
Gill, A. H. | Maddison, Frederick | Schwann, Chas.E.(Manchester) |
Ginnell, L. | Manfield, Harry (Northants) | Scott, A.H. (Ashton under Lyne |
Gladstone, Rt.Hn. HerbertJohn | Mansfield, H. Rendall (Lincoln | Sears, J. E. |
Glover, Thomas | Markham, Arthur Basil | Seaverns, J. H. |
Grant, Corrie | Marks, G.Croydon(Launceston] | Seddon, J. |
Greenwood, G. (Peterborough) | Marnham, F. J. | Seely, Major J. B. |
Griffith, Ellis J. | Mason, A. E. W. (Coventry) | Shackleton, David James |
Gulland, John W. | Massie, J. | Shaw, Charles Edw. (Stafford) |
Gurdon, Sir W. Brampton | Meagher, Michael | Shaw, Rt. Hon. T. (Hawick, B. |
Haldane, Rt. Hon. Richard B. | Meehan, Patrick A. | Sheehan, Daniel Daniel |
Hall, Frederick | Menzies, Walter | Shipman, Dr. John G. |
Halpin, J. | Micklem, Nathaniel | Silcock, Thomas Ball |
Harcourt, Rt. Hon. Lewis | Molteno, Percy Alfred | Simon, John Allsebrook |
Hardy, George A. (Suffolk) | Mond, A. | Sinclair, Rt. Hon. John |
Harmsworth, Cecil B. (Worc'r) | Money, L. G. Chiozza | Smeaton, Donald Mackenzie |
Harvey, A. G. C. (Rochdale) | Montagu, E. S. | Snowdon, P. |
Harwood, George | Mooney, J. J. | Soares, Ernest J. |
Haslam, James (Derbyshire) | Morgan, G. Hay (Cornwall | Spicer, Albert |
Haslam, Lewis (Monmouth) | Morrell, Philip | Stanger, H. Y. |
Haworth, Arthur A. | Morse, L. L. | Stanley, Hn.A.Lyulph(Chesh.) |
Hayden, John Patrick | Morton, Alpheus Cleophas | Steadman, W. C. |
Hazel, Dr. A. E. | Murphy, John | Stewart-Smith, D. (Kendal) |
Hazelton, Richard | Murray, James | Strachey, Sir Edward |
Hedges, A. Paget | Nannetti, Joseph P. | Straus, B. S, (Mile End) |
Helme, Norval Watson | Newnes, F. (Notts, Basset law) | Strauss, E. A. (Abingdon) |
Henderson, Arthur (Durham) | Nicholls, George | Sullivan, Donal |
Higham, John Sharp | Nicholson, CharlesN.(Doncast'r | Summerbell, T. |
Hobart, Sir Robert | Nolan, Joseph | Taylor, John W. (Durham) |
Holland, Sir William Henry | Norton, Capt. Cecil William | Taylor, Theodore C. (Radcliffe) |
Hooper, A. G. | Nuttall, Harry | Tennant, E. P. (Salisbury) |
Hope, W. Bateman(Somerset,N | O'Brien, Kendal (TipperaryMid | Thomas, Abel (Carmarthen, E. |
Horniman, Emslie John | O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny) | Thomas, David Alfred (Merthyr |
Howard, Hon. Geoffrey | O'Connor, James (Wicklow,W. | Tomkinson, James |
Hudson, Walter | O'Connor, John (Kildare, N.) | Toulmin, Goorge |
Hyde, Clarendon | O'Grady, J. | Verney, F. W. |
Vivian, Henry | White, George (Norfolk) | Williams, W. L. (Carmarthen) |
Walker, H. De R. (Leicester) | White, J. D. (Dumbartonshire) | Wills, Arthur Walters |
Walsh, Stephen | White, Luke (York, E. R.) | Wood, T. M'Kinnon |
Wardle, George J. | White, Patrick (Meath, North | Woodhouse, SirJ.T.(Hudd'rsf'd |
Wason, Eugene (Clackmannan | Whitehead, Rowland | Younger, George |
Wason, John Cathcart(Orkney) | Whitley, J. H. (Halifax) | |
Waterlow, D. S. | Whittaker, Thomas Palmer | TELLERS FOR THE AYES—;Mr.Whiteley and Mr. Herbert Lewis. |
Wedgwood, Josiah C. | Wiles, Thomas | |
Weir, James Galloway | Williams, J. (Glagmoran) | |
NOES. | ||
Acland-Hood, Rt.Hn.SirAlex.F | Finch, Rt. Hon. George H. | O'Neill, Hon. Robert Torrens |
Ashley, W. W. | Forster, Henry William | Rasch, Sir Frederic Carne |
Balcarres, Lord | Gibbs, G. A. (Bristol, West) | Ropner, Colonel Sir Robert |
Barrie, H. T. (Londonderry, N. | Hamilton, Marquess of | Rutherford, John (Lancashire) |
Beach, Hn.MichaelHughHicks | Hay, Hon. Claude George | Rutherford, W. W. (Liverpool) |
Bridgeman, W. Clive | Hervey, F.W.F.(BuryS.Edm'd | Smith, F.E. (Liverpool, Walton) |
Bull, Sir William James | Hill, SirClement(Shrewsbury) | Starkey, John R. |
Carlile, E. Hildred | Hill, Henry Staveley (Staff'sh.) | Thomson, W.Mitchell-(Lanark) |
Castlereagh, Viscount | Hills, J. W. | Valentia, Viscount |
Cecil, Lord R. (Marylebone,E.) | Houston, Robert Paterson | Younger, George |
Corbett, T. L. (Down, North) | Hunt, Rowland | |
Courthope, G. Loyd | Lane-Fox, G. R. | TELLERS FOR THE NOES—;Mr. Lonsdale and Viscount Helm- sley. |
Craig, Charles Curtis (Antrim,S. | Liddell, Henry | |
Craig, CaptainJames(Down,E.) | M'Calmont, Colonel James | |
Dairymple, Viscount | Meysey-Thompson, Major E.C. | |
Duncan, Robert(Lanark,Covan | Nield, Herbert |
§ Whereupon the Chairman left the Chair to make his Report to the House.
§ Committee report Progress; to sit again this day.
§ MR. WILLIAM REDMOND (Clare, E.)said he desired as a matter of order to ask whether under the new rules the House was not supposed to rise at 11.30, and if so whether it was in order to proceed now with any further business.
§ MR. SPEAKERI think it will be desirable to follow the same practice as in the last Parliament. The practice was that in case the House sat after one o'clock the Orders of the Day were gone through.
§ MR. WILLIAM REDMONDDoes that also apply to Bills moved and read a second time and not objected to?
§ * MR. SPEAKERYes.
§ MR. MOONEYThe Standing Order lays down that unless it is a Bill origina- 532 ting in Committee of Ways and Means it shall not be proceeded with.
§ * MR. SPEAKERThe practice uniformly was as I have described, that is to say, if by reason of divisions or for any other reason the House sat after one o'clock the Orders of the Day were read through, but if the Orders were reached before one o'clock when one o'clock arrived the House rose. That was the interpretation placed on Standing Order No. 1, and I think it will probably be desirable to continue that practice.