HC Deb 01 May 1906 vol 156 cc498-532

Considered in Committee.

(In the Committee,)

[The DEPUTY-CHAIRMAN, Mr. Caldwell (Lanarkshire, Mid.) in the Chair].

Amendment proposed—; In page 1, line 11, after the word 'solicitor' to insert the words 'if qualified.'"—;(Mr. Cave.)

Question again proposed, "That those words be there inserted."


, who was very indistinctly heard, was understood to say he had hoped the hon. and learned Solicitor-General would accept this Amendment without discussion. It was perfectly clear that as the business of the House was conducted at present it was the duty of the Law Officers to scrutinise very carefully the draughtsmanship of the Bills the Government presented, and it was the duty of the Opposition to attempt to give as much assistance as they could in all matters affecting draughtsmanship. If the hon. and learned Gentleman had seen his way to accept these words he would have made this Bill a more consistent and intelligent measure than it was at present. If these words were inserted after the word "solicitor" a very great ambiguity would be avoided. If the Committee gave its attention to the words of the section, they would see that the section at first sight was worded in a singular way. If the section was draughted without the words "if otherwise qualified" no reasonable person accustomed to construe Acts of Parliament would imagine that it related to any other disability. They had already swept away every other disability, and no one would consider that if these words were omitted the provisions contained in Clause 2 would be construed so as to override the existing disabilities. But the position had altogether changed, and he submitted that as the clause at present stood it was open to misconstruction and to possibilities of litigation, which he was sure the Solicitor-General would be the first to wish to avoid in the interests of the measure to which he had attached his name.

LORD BALCARRES (Lancashire, Chorley)

said the Committee was entitled to some reply from the Solicitor-General. As the clause stood, a solicitor could be appointed to be a magistrate in any county of England. Was that intended? If the restrictive words were excluded they would introduce into the clause a certain element of right for solicitors to be appointed all over the country, which was distinctly and avowedly excluded by the preceding clause. If the Solicitor-General preferred that the Amendment should not be taken at this point, it could be inserted after the word "county" in line 2. It would equally meet the point, and save the hon. and learned Gentleman's face.

* MR. NIELD (Middlesex, Ealing)

said he was glad that after so many years the Government were ready to rehabilitate the lower division of the legal profession by placing an unlimited confidence in solicitors which neither in fiction nor in real life had been shown them in years past.


said the Question was that the words "if qualified" be inserted.


said he was suggesting that the words in the Bill showed such satisfaction on the part of the Government in solicitors that their qualification was of no moment, and they were to be permitted to be appointed to any bench in any county without apparently the qualification which other persons were required to have.


said he had informed the hon. Gentleman that he was out of order, and he must confine himself to the Amendment.


said with all possible respect he ventured to submit that his observations were directed to show that the proposal of the Government was that no qualification was necessary at all and in criticising this exhibition of confidence he was speaking to the Amendment, the direct purpose of which was to make it clear and free from ambiguity, so that while extending the opportunities for a solicitor being appointed the same qualification should be required from him as from other persons.


said he had intended to move an Amendment to the Amendment to insert after "if" the word "otherwise." He hoped his hon. friend would accept his Amendment, which he now moved with the permission of the Committee.

Amendment proposed to the proposed Amendment—; To insert after the word 'if' the word 'otherwise.'"—; (Mr. Mitchell-Thomson.)

Amendment to the proposed Amendment agreed to.

Question proposed, "That the word, 'if otherwise qualified' be there inserted."

* LORD HELMSLEY (Yorkshire, N.R., Thirsk)

said there was no doubt that solicitors would be admirable adjuncts to the Bench, but the question whether they should fulfil those functions whether qualified or not gave rise to a very grave consideration. He failed to see why solicitors should be chosen for particular mention while other professions equally respectable and equally admirable in all their qualifications were absolutely unmentioned. The Committee were entitled to the opinion of the Government as to why the words had been omitted. The drafting of the Bill was certainly of a very loose character, and the Solicitor-General would be hardly treating the Committee with respect unless he told them why these words had been omitted in this clause and inserted in Clause 2.

Question put.

The Committee divided:—;Ayes, 47; Noes, 297. (Division List No. 58.)

Acland-Hood, Rt Hn SirAlex.F. Craik, Sir Henry Liddell, Henry
Arnold-Forster, Rt.Hn.Hugh O. Dalrymple, Viscount Lonsdale, John Brownlee
Aubrey-Fletcher, Rt.Hn. Sir H. Douglas, Rt. Hon. A. Akers- Nield, Herbert
Balcarres, Lord Duncan, Robert(Lanark, Govan O'Niell, Hon. Robert Torrens
Barrie, H. T. (Londonderry, N. Finch, Rt. Hon. George H. Rasch, Sir Frederic Carne
Beach, Hn.Michael Hugh Hicks Forster, Herny William Ropner, Colonel Sir Robert
Bottomley, Horatio Gibbs, G. A. (Bristol, West) Rutherford, John (Lancashire)
Bridgeman, W. Clive Hamilton, Marquess of Sandys, Lieut.-Col. Thos. Myles
Carlile, E. Hildred Helmsley, Viscount Smith,F.E. (Liverpool, Walton)
Castlereagh, Viscount Hervey,F.W.F.(Bury S.Edm'ds Starkey, John R.
Cave, George Hill, Sir Clement (Shrewsbury) Valentia, Viscount
Coates, E. Feetham (Lewisham) Hills, J. W. Williams, Col. R. (Dorset, W.)
Cochrane, Hon. Thos. H. A. E. Houston, Robert Paterson Younger, George
Corbett, T. L. (Down, North) Hunt, Rowland
Courthope, G. Loyd Kenyon-Slaney, Rt.Hon.Col. W TELLERS FOR THE AYES—;Mr. Mitchell-Thomson and Sir William Bull.
Craig,Charles Curtis (Antrim,S. Lane-Fox, G. R.
Craig, Captain James (Down,E. Legge, Col. Hon. Heneage
Abraham, William (Cork, N.E. Armstrong, W. C. Heaton Balfour, Robert (Lanark)
Abraham, William (Rhondda) Astbury, John Meir Baring,Godfrey (Isle of Wight)
Acland, Francis Dyke Atherley-Jones, L. Barker, John
Agnew, George William Baker, Sir John (Portsmouth) Barlow, Percy (Bedford)
Armitage, R. Baker,Joseph A.(Finsbury, E.) Barnard, E. B.
Barnes, G. N. Edwards, Clement (Denbigh) MacVeigh, Charles (Donegal, E.
Barran, Rowland Hirst Edwards, Enoch (Hanley) M'Callum, John M.
Beale, W. P. Edwards, Frank (Radnor) M'Crae, George
Beauchamp, E. Ellis, Rt. Hon. John Edward M'Kean, John
Beaumont, W. C. B. (Hexham) Erskine, David C. M'Kenna, Reginald
Beck, A. Cecil Essex, R. W. M'Killop, W.
Bell, Richard Evans, Samuel T. Maddison, Frederick
Bellairs, Carlyon Eve, Harry Trelawney Mansfield, H. Rendall (Lincoln)
Benn,John Williams(Devonp't Everett, R. Lacey Markham, Arthur Basil
Benn,W.(T'w'r Hamlets,S.Geo. Fenwick, Charles Marks,G.Croydon (Launceston)
Bennett, E. N. Fuller, John Michael F. Marnham, F. J.
Bertam, Julius Fullerton, Hugh Massie, J.
Bethell,J. H. (Essex, Romford) Gardner, Col. Alan (Hereford,S Meagher, Michael
Bethell, T. R. (Essex, Maldon) Gibb, James (Harrow) Meehan, Patrick A.
Billson, Alfred Gill, A. H. Menzies, Walter
Black, Arthur W.(Bedfordshire Ginnell, L. Micklem, Nathaniel
Boland, John Glover, Thomas Molteno, Percy Alfred
Bolton, T.D. (Derbyshire, N.E.) Gooch, George Peabody Mond, A.
Boulton, A. C. F. (Ramsey) Grant, Corrie Money, L. G. Chiozza
Brace, William Greenwood, G. (Peterborough) Montagu, E. S.
Bramsdon, T. A. Griffith, Ellis J. Mooney, J. J.
Brigg, John Gulland, John W. Morgan, G. Hay (Cornwall)
Bright, J. A. Haldane, Rt. Hon. Richard B. Morgan, J. Lloyd (Carmarthen)
Brodie, H. C. Hall, Frederick Morrell, Philip
Brooke, Stopford Halpin, J. Morse, L. L.
Brunner, J. F. L. (Lancs.,Leigh) Harcourt, Rt. Hon. Lewis Morton, Alpheus Cleophas
Bryce,Rt.Hn.James (Aberdeen Hardy, George A. (Suffolk) Murphy, John
Bryce,J.A. (Inverness Burghs) Harmsworth, Cecil B. (Worc'r) Murray, James
Buchanan, Thomas Ryburn Haslam, James (Derbyshire) Myer, Horatio
Burke, E. Haviland- Haslam, Lewis (Monmouth) Nannetti, Joseph P
Burnyeat, J. D. W. Haworth, Arthur A. Napier, T. B.
Burt, Rt. Hon. Thomas Hayden, John Patrick Newnes, F. (Notts, Bassetlaw)
Buxton,Rt.Hn.Sydney Charles Hazel, Dr. A. E. Nicholls, George
Byles, William Pollard Hazleton, Richard Nicholson, Charles N. (Doncas'r
Cairns, Thomas Hedges, A. Paget Nolan, Joseph
Cameron, Robert Helme, Norval Watson Norton, Capt. Cecil William
Carr-Gomm, H. W. Henderson, Arthur (Durham) O'Brien,Kendal(Tipperary Mid
Causton,Rt.Hn.Richard Knight Higham, John Sharp O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny)
Cawley, Frederick Holden, E. Hopkinson O'Connor,James (Wicklow, W.
Cheetham, John Frederick Hooper, A. G. O'Connor, John (Kildare, N.)
Cherry, Rt. Hon. R. R. Hope, John Deans (Fife, West) O'Donnell, C. J. (Walworth)
Clarke, C. Goddard (Peckham) Hope, W.Bateman (Somerset,N O'Grady, J.
Cleland, J. W. Horniman, Emslie John O'Kelly, James (Roscommon,N
Clough, W. Howard, Hon. Geoffrey O'Malley, William
Clynes, J. R. Hudson, Walter O'Mara, James
Coats,Sir T.Glen (Renfrew, W.) Hyde, Clarendon Parker, James (Halifax)
Cogan, Denis J. Illingworth, Percy H. Pearson, Sir W. D. (Colchester)
Collins, Stephens (Lambeth) Jackson, R. S. Pickersgill, Edward Hare
Cooper, G. J. Jenkins, J. Power, Patrick Joseph
Corbett,C H (Sussex,E.Grins'd Johnson, John (Gateshead) Price, C. E. (Edinb'gh,Central)
Cornwall, Sir Edwin A. Johnson, W. (Nuneaton) Radford, G. H.
Cory, Clifford John Jones, William (Carnarvonshire Raphael, Herbert H.
Cotton, Sir H. J. S. Jowett, F. W. Rea, Russell (Gloucester)
Cowan, W. H. Joyce, Michael Rea, Walter Russell (Scarboro'
Cox, Harold Kearley, Hudson E. Redmond, John E. Waterford)
Cremer, William Randal Kennedy, Vincent Paul Redmond, William (Clare)
Crooks, William Kincaid-Smith, Captain Rees, J. D.
Crossley, William J. Laidlaw, Robert Richards, T. F. (Wolverh'mp'n
Dalziel, James Henry Lamb, Edmund G. (Leominster Richardson, A.
Davies,David (MontgomeryCo. Lambert, George Rickett, J. Compton
Davies, Timothy (Fulham) Lamont, Norman Ridsdale, E. A.
Davies, W. Howell (Bristol, S.) Lawson, Sir Wilfrid Roberts, Charles H. (Lincoln)
Delany, William Lehmann, R. C. Roberts, G. H. (Norwich)
Devlin,Charles Ramsay(Galway Lever,A.Levy (Essex,Harwich) Robertson,Sir G. Scott(Bradf'd
Dewar, John A. (Inverness-sh.) Levy, Maurice Robinson, S.
Dickinson, W.H.(St.Paneras,N Lough, Thomas Robson, Sir William Snowdon
Dickson-Poynder, Sir John P. Lundon, W. Roche, Augustine (Cork)
Dillon, John Lupton, Arnold Rogers, F. E. Newman
Dobson, Thomas W. Luttrell, Hugh Fownes Rose, Charles Day
Donelan, Captain A. Lynch, H. B. Rowlands, J.
Duckworth, James Macdonald, J. R. (Leicester) Russell, T. W.
Duncan, C. (Barrow-in-Furness Macdonald,J.M.(Falkirk B'ghs) Rutherford, W. W. (Liverpool)
Dunn, A. Edward (Camborne) MacVeagh, Jeremiah (Down,S. Samuel, Herbert L. (Cleveland)
Samuel, S. M. (Whitechapel) Strachey, Sir Edward Wedgwood, Josiah C.
Scarisbrick, T. T. L. Straus, B. S. (Mile End) Weir, James Galloway
Schwann, C. Duncan (Hyde) Strauss, E. A. (Abingdon) White, George (Norfolk)
Schwann,Chas. E.(Manchester) Sullivan, Donal White, J. D. (Dumbartonshire)
Scott,A.H.(Ashton under Lyne Summerbell, T. White, Luke (York, E. R.)
Sears, J. E. Taylor, John W. (Durham) White, Patrick (Meath, North)
Seaverns, J. H. Taylor, Theodore C. (Radcliffe) Whitehead, Rowland
Seddon, J. Tennant, E. P. (Salisbury) Whitley, J. H. (Halifax)
Seely, Major J. B. Thomas,Abel (Carmarthen, E.) Whittaker, Thomas Palmer
Shackleton, David James Thomas, David Alfred(Merthyr Wiles, Thomas
Shaw, Rt. Hon. T. (Hawick B.) Thomasson, Franklin Williams, J. (Glamorgan)
Sheehan, Daniel Daniel Tomkinson, James Williams, W. L. (Carmarthen)
Shipman, Dr. John G. Torrance, A. M. Wills, Arthur Walters
Silcock, Thomas Ball Toulmin, George Wilson, J. H. (Middlesbrough)
Simon, John Allsebrook Trevelyan, Charles Philips Wilson, W. T. (Westhoughton)
Smeaton, Donald Mackenzie Ure, Alexander Wood, T. M'Kinnon
Snowden, P. Verney, F. W. Young, Samuel
Soares, Ernest J. Walker, H. De R. (Leicester)
Spicer, Albert Walsh, Stephen TELLERS FOR THE NOES—;Mr.Whiteley and Mr. Herbert Lewis.
Stanger, H. Y. Walters, John Tudor
Stanley,Hn.A.Lyulph (Chesh.) Wason, Eugene (Clackmannan)
Steadman, W. C. Wason,John Cathcart(Orkney)
Stewart, Halley (Greenock) Waterlow, D. S.

[The Chairman (Mr. EMMOTT) here took the Chair.]

* MR. JOHN RUTHERFORD (Lancashire, Darwen)

asked, on a point of order, whether solicitors who were Members of the House had a right to vote in the division which had just taken place. He believed that some fifteen solicitors had voted. The rules were very particular in regard to hon. Members voting upon any matter in which they were directly interested.


This is not a question of special or pecuniary interest, and under those conditions I think a solicitor has a right to vote.

* MR. COURTHOPE (Sussex, Rye)

did not think the Government could possibly intend to give those special advantages which were expressly taken away from every other class of the community. He begged to move to insert the words "in which he resides."

Amendment proposed—; In page 1, line 12, after the word 'county,' to insert the words 'in which he resides.'"—;(Mr. Courthope.)

Question proposed, "That those words be there inserted."


suggested that the object of his hon. friend would be achieved if in the earlier section of the Bill he moved to insert—; That a solicitor may be appointed a justice of the peace for any county in or within seven miles of which he resides. He suggested that this was a matter on which the Opposition were entitled to some guidance from the Solicitor-General as to whether under the clause as drafted there was or was not any geographical limitation of the right of a solicitor to act as a justice of the peace. As a matter of legal construction would it not be possible for a solicitor to be appointed a justice of the peace for a county in which he had no residential or geographical qualification?


said he desired to remind the Committee that the Bill did not profess to code the law relating to justices of the peace. It proposed merely to amend the law in one or two definite particulars, the main particular being to abolish the qualification by estate. That was the subject matter of the first clause, but it left the rest of the law with regard to justices of the peace standing. There was a residential qualification in the case of county magistrates imposed under statutes of Henry V. The qualification by estate was removed by this Bill, but the old residential qualification remained. Having explained the law on this matter, he hoped the House would not think that he was at all lacking in respect if he refrained from getting up and explaining it again and again if hon. Members opposite insisted upon putting the same questions repeatedly.

* COLONEL LEGGE (St. George's, Hanover Square)

said it was very desirable that hon. Members who had not the legal knowledge of the luminaries on the front bench opposite should get all the information they could on the different points in the Bill before they gave their assent to the measure. The Solicitor-General had stated that the law with respect to the residential qualification of a person appointed as a justice of the peace was passed during the reign of Henry V. In the case of a solicitor it was now proposed that there should be no residential qualification. He thought it was a very serious matter that they should be called upon to make this extraordinary change in the law on behalf of one class of the community. He would support the Amendment because it seemed to him very desirable that the residential qualification which was considered necessary in the reign of Henry V. should be maintained now.


said this Bill was to apply to Scotland as well as England, and according to the Solicitor- General it was necessary on account of some law passed in the reign of Henry V. His knowledge of history was limited, but he had not yet heard that there was any king of Scotland called Henry V.


said the Solicitor - General was not entitled to found his case for Scotland on any law passed for England in the reign of Henry V. He asked the right hon. Gentleman to consider very seriously the Amendment which had been put forward by the hon. Member for Rye.


said he had received with great gratitude the explanation of the Solicitor - General, but that explanation only showed that the clause was badly drafted. A Bill of this kind ought to be plain, and understood by an ordinary layman. He maintained that not one layman in a hundred could understand it, and that the only people who would benefit from it would be lawyers.


said it was not necessary either for the hon. Member or his constituents to understand any of these Acts of Parliament. He should vote against the Amendment for the same reason as he had voted against the previous Amendment. If he understood the explanation which the hon. and learned Solicitor-General had given it was that although every solicitor was a person and would come within the clause which related to residential qualification, yet every person was not a solicitor. He suggested that the Amendment should be withdrawn because the whole object of the Amendment had been tested in a previous division. It was quite clear that so long as a man was a solicitor, no matter where he resided or where he practised, he was entitled under this clause to be on the county bench.

MR. LANE-FOX (Yorkshire W.R., Barkston Ash)

said he certainly hoped that the Committee would not accept the suggestion of the hon. Member for Liverpool who had now gone below the gangway and had told the Committee he was an interested person. They were grateful to the Solicitor-General for his explanation, but the hon. and learned Gentleman had not explained one of the points raised, and that was why this disqualification should not be taken out of this particular clause.


said that the hon. Member was not discussing the Amendment before the Committee.


said he was anxious to bow to the ruling of the Chairman, but he wished to press the point that the hon. Member for Liverpool was a prejudiced person, and should not be allowed to mislead the House.


expressed the hope that the Solicitor-General would see his way to accept his Amendment.

Question put.

The Committee divided:—;Ayes, 54; Noes, 317. (Division List No. 59.)

Acland-Hood, Rt.Hn.Sir Alex.F. Dalrymple, Viscount Nield, Herbert
Arnold-Forster, Rt. Hn.HughO Douglas, Rt. Hon. A. Akers- O'Neill, Hon. Robert Torrens
Ashley, W. W. Duncan, Robert (Lanark, Govan Rasch Sir Frederic Carne
Aubrey-Fletcher,Rt. Hn. SirH. Finch, Rt. Hon. George H. Ropner, Colonel Sir Robert
Balcarres, Lord Forster, Henry William Rutherford John (Lancashire)
Balfour,RtHn.A.J.(City Lond.) Gibbs, G. A. (Bristol, West) Sandys, Lieut.-Col. Thos.Myles
Barrie, H. T. (Londonderry, N.) Hamilton, Marquess of Sassoon, Sir Edward Albert
Beach,Hn. Michael HughHicks Hay, Hon. Claude George Smith, Abel H. (Hertford,East)
Bottomley, Horatio Helmsley, Viscount Smith,F.E. (Liverpool, Walton)
Bridgeman, W. Clive Hervey,F. W. F.(BuryS.Edm'd Starkey, John R.
Carlile, E. Hildred Hill, Sir Clement (Shrewsbury) Thomson, W.Mitchell-(Lanark)
Castlereagh, Viscount Hills, J. W. Valentia, Viscount
Cave, George Houston, Robert Paterson Williams, Col. R. (Dorset, W.)
Cecil, Lord R.(Marylebone, E.) Hunt, Rowland Younger, George
Coates,E. Feetham(Lewisham) Kenyon-Slaney, Rt. Hn. Col.W.
Cochrane, Hon. Thos. H. A. E. Lane-Fox, G. R. TELLERS FOR THE AYES—;
Corbett, T. L. (Down, North) Legge, Col. Hon. Heneage Mr. Courthope and Sir William Bull.
Craig,Charles Curtis(Antrim,S. Liddell, Henry
Craig, Captain James (Down,E. Lonsdale, John Brownlee
Craik, Sir Henry M'Calmont, Colonel James
Abraham, William (Cork, N.E.) Barlow, Percy (Bedford) Bethell, T. R. (Essex, Maldon)
Abraham, William (Rhondda) Barnard, E. B. Billson, Alfred
Acland, Francis Dyke Barnes, G. N. Black,Arthur W.(Bedfordshire
Agar-Robartes, Hon. T. C. Barran, Rowland Hirst Boland, John
Agnew, George William Beale, W. P. Bolton, T. D.(Derbyshire,N.E.)
Armitage, R. Beauchamp, E. Boulton, A. C. F. (Ramsey)
Armstrong, W. C. Heaton Beaumont, W. C. B. (Hexham) Brace, William
Asquith,Rt.Hn. Herbert Henry Beck, A. Cecil Bramsdon, T. A.
Astbury, John Meir Bell, Richard Brigg, John
Atherley-Jones, L. Bellairs, Carlyon Brodie, H. C.
Baker, Sir John (Portsmouth) Benn, John Williams(Devonp'rt Brooke, Stopford
Baker,Joseph A.(Finsbury, E.) Benn,W.(T'w'r Hamlets,S.Geo. Brunner,J. F. L. (Lancs., Leigh
Balfour, Robert (Lanark) Bennett, E. N. Bryce,Rt.Hn.James(Aberdeen)
Baring,Godfrey (Isle of Wight) Bertram, Julius Bryce,J. A. (Inverness Burghs)
Barker, John Bethell, J. H.(Essex,Romford) Buchanan, Thomas Ryburn
Burke, E. Haviland- Harcourt, Rt. Hon. Lewis Money, L. G. Chiozza
Burnyeat, J. D. W. Hardy, George A. (Suffolk) Montagu, E. S.
Burt, Rt. Hon. Thomas Harmsworth, Cecil B. (Worc'r) Mooney, J. J.
Buxton, Rt. Hn. Sydney Charles Haslam, James (Derbyshire) Morgan, G. Hay (Cornwall)
Byles, William Pollard Haslam, Lewis (Monmouth) Morgan, J. Lloyd (Carmarthen)
Cairns, Thomas Haworth, Arthur A. Morrell, Philip
Cameron, Robert Hayden, John Patrick Morse, L. L.
Carr-Gomm, H. W. Hazel, Dr. A. E. Morton, Alpheus Cleophas
Causton,Rt.Hn.Richard Knight Hazleton, Richard Murphy, John
Cawley, F ederick Hedges, A. Paget Murray, James
Cheetham, John Frederick Helme, Norval Watson Myer, Horatio
Cherry, Rt. Hon. R. R. Henderson, Arthur (Durham) Nannetti, Joseph P.
Clarke, C. Goddard (Peckham) Higham, John Sharp Napier, T. B.
Cleland, J. W. Hobart, Sir Robert Newnes, F. (Notts, Bassetlaw)
Clough, W. Hooper, A. G. Nicholls, George
Clynes, J. R. Hope, W.Bateman(Somerset,N. Nicholson,Charles N.(Doncastr
Coats,SirT. Glen (Renfrew,W.) Horniman, Emslie John Nolan, Joseph
Cobbold, Felix Thornley Howard, Hon. Geoffrey Norton, Capt. Cecil William
Cogan, Denis J. Hudson, Walter O'Brien,Kendal(Tipperary Mid
Collins, Stephen (Lambeth) Hyde, Clarendon O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny)
Collins,SirWm.J.(S.Pancras,W. Illingworth, Percy H. O'Connor, James (Wicklow,W.)
Cooper, G. J. Jackson, R. S. O'Connor, John (Kildare, N.)
Corbett,CH(Sussex, E.Grinst'd Jenkins, J. O'Donnell, C. J. (Walworth)
Cornwall, Sir Edwin A. Johnson, John (Gateshead) O'Grady, J.
Cory, Clifford John Johnson, W. (Nuneaton) O'Kelly,James (Roscommon,N
Cowan, W. H. Jones, William (Carnarvonshire O'Malley, William
Cremer, William Randal Jowett, F. W. O'Mara, James
Crooks, William Joyce, Michael O'Shee, James John
Crossley, William J. Kearley, Hudson E. Parker, James (Halifax)
Davies, David(MontgomeryCo. Kekewich, Sir George Pearson, Sir W. D. (Colchester).
Davies, Timothy (Fulham) Kennedy, Vincent Paul Philipps, Owen C. (Pembroke)
Davies, W. Howell (Bristol, S.) Kincaid-Smith, Captain Pickersgill, Edward Hare
Delany, William King, Alfred John (Knutsford) Power, Patrick Joseph
Devlin, CharlesRamsay(Galway Laidlaw, Robert Price, C. E. (Edinb'gh,Central)
Dewar, John A. (Inverness-sh. Lamb, Edmund G. (Leominster Radford, G. H.
Dickinson, W.H.(St.Pancras,N. Lambert, George Raphael, Herbert N.
Dickson-Poynder, Sir John P. Lamont, Norman Rea, Russell (Gloucester)
Dilke, Rt. Hon. Sir Charles Law, Hugh Alexander Rea, Walter Russell (Scarboro
Dillon, John Lawson, Sir Wilfrid Redmond, John E. (Waterford)
Dobson, Thomas W. Lehmann, R. C. Redmond, William (Clare)
Dolan, Charles Joseph Lever,A.Levy (Essex, Harwich Rees, J. D.
Donelan, Captain A. Lever, W. H. (Cheshire, Wirral) Renton, Major Leslie
Duckworth, James Levy, Maurice Richards, T.F.(Wolverh'mpt'n
Duncan, C. (Barrow-in-Furness Lough, Thomas Richardson, A.
Dunn, A. Edward (Camborne) Lundon, W. Rickett, J. Compton
Edwards, Clement (Denbigh) Lupton, Arnold Ridsdale, E. A.
Edwards, Enoch (Hanley) Luttrell, Hugh Fownes Roberts, Charles H. (Lincoln)
Edwards, Frank (Radnor) Lynch, H. B. Roberts, G. H. (Norwich)
Ellis, Rt. Hon. John Edward Macdonald, J. R. (Leicester) Robertson, Rt. Hn. E.(Dundee
Erskine, David C. Macdonald,J.M.(Falkirk B'ghs Robertson,SirG.Scott(Bradf'rd
Essex, R. W. Mackarness, Frederic C. Robinson, S.
Evans, Samuel T. Macpherson, J. T. Robson, Sir William Snowdon.
Eve, Harry Trelawney MacVeagh,Jeremiah(Down,S. Roche, Augustine (Cork)
Everett, R. Lacey MacVeigh,Charles(Donegal,E.) Roe, Sir Thomas
Fenwick, Charles M'Callum, John M. Rogers, F. E. Newman
Ferens, T. R. M'Crae, George Rose, Charles Day
Fuller, John Michael F. M'Kean, John Rowlands, J.
Fullerton, Hugh M'Kenna, Reginald Russell, T. W.
Gardner,Col.Alan (Hereford,S. M'Killop, W. Rutherford, W. W. (Liverpool)
Gibb, James (Harrow) M'Micking, Major G. Samuel, Herbert L. (Cleveland)
Gill, A. H. Maddison, Frederick Samuel, S. M. (Whitechapel)
Ginnell, L. Mansfield, H.Rendall (Lincoln) Scarisbrick, T. T. L.
Gladstone, Rt.Hn.HerbertJohn Markham, Arthur Basil Schwann, C. Duncan (Hyde)
Glover, Thomas Marks, G. Croydon (Launceston Sehwann,Chas.E. (Manchester)
Gooch, George Peabody Marnham, F. J. Scott, A.H.(Ashton underLyne
Grant, Corrie Mason, A. E. W. (Coventry) Sears, J. E.
Greenwood, G. (Peterborough) Massie, J. Seaverns, J. H.
Griffith, Ellis J. Meagher, Michael Seddon, J.
Gulland, John W. Meehan, Patrick A. Seely, Major J. B.
Gurdon, Sir W. Brampton Menzies, Walter Shackleton, David James
Haldane, Rt. Hon. Richard B. Micklem, Nathaniel Shaw, Charles Edw. (Stafford)
Hall, Frederick Molteno, Percy Alfred Shaw, Rt. Hon. T. (Hawick B.).
Halpin, J. Mond, A. Sheehan, Daniel Daniel
Shipman, Dr. John G. Thomas, Abel (Carmarthen,E.) White, J. D. (Dumbartonshire)
Silcock, Thomas Ball Thomas, David Alfred(Merthyr White, Luke (York, E.R.)
Simon, John Allsebrook Tomkinson, James White, Patrick (Meath, North)
Smeaton, Donald Mackenzie Torrance, A. M. Whitehead, Rowland
Snowden, P. Toulmin, George Whitley, J. H. (Halifax)
Soares, Ernest J. Trevelyan, Charles Philips Whittaker, Thomas Palmer
Spicer, Albert Ure, Alexander Wiles, Thomas
Stanger, H. Y. Verney, F. W. Williams, J. (Glamorgan)
Stanley, Hn.A. Lyulph(Chesh.) Vivian, Henry Williams, W. L. (Carmarthen)
Steadman, W. C. Walker, H. De R. (Leicester) Wills, Arthur Walters
Stewart, Halley (Greenock) Walsh, Stephen Wilson, J. H. (Middlesbrough)
Strachey, Sir Edward Walters, John Tudor Wilson, W. T. (Westhoughton)
Straus, B. S. (Mile End) Wardle, George J. Wood, T. M'Kinnon
Strauss, E. A. (Abingdon) Wason, Eugene (Clackmannan) Woodhouse,Sir JT(Huddersf'd
Sullivan, Donal Wason,John Cathcart (Orkney) Young, Samuel
Summerbell, T. Waterlow, D. S.
Taylor, John W. (Durham) Wedgwood, Josiah C. TELLERS FOR THE NOES.—;
Taylor, Theodore C. (Radcliffe) Weir, James Galloway Mr. Whiteley and Mr. Herbert Lewis.
Tennant, E. P. (Salisbury) White, George (Norfolk)

said he rose with mingled feelings to move the Amendment which stood in his name, which was to leave out all the words after county in Clause 3. He had feelings of gratitude in the first place that the public at large and a beneficent Government had at last awakened to the proper position of the members of the solicitors' profession to which he had the honour to belong. For hundreds of years solicitors, simply because they were solicitors, had been debarred from acting as magistrates. They had always resented it and very properly considered that such a bar was an insult to the profession. There was no reason why a solicitor should not be a magistrate. But the reason he moved this Amendment was that the Government had only gone half way. The Bill said that solicitors might act as magistrates, but at the same time it said it should not be lawful for any solicitor being a justice of the peace to practice either by himself or his partner before any justice in that county. A barrister could practise anywhere, and he felt certain that when this Amendment was put the members of the senior branch of the profession present in the Committee would support it. Another argument why a solicitor should be allowed to practise was that a son often practised for his father. Then there was the case of a solicitor practising before his father. The Solicitor-General having thus far rid solicitors of disabilities he should have the strength of his convictions and free solicitors from all the barriers and restrictions from which they had suffered for so many years.

Amendment proposed—; In page 1, line 12, to leave out from the word 'county,' to the end of the Clause.'"—;(Mr. Charles Craig.)

Question proposed, "That the word? proposed to be left out, to the word 'or,' in line 13, stand part of the Clause."


said he was quite sure that solicitors generally would make no objection to this very limited disqualification. They would not regard it as an insult to be asked to abstain from practising before justices for the county or of a borough within the county for which they were appointed justices. If they took up a judicial office they ought to accept with it conditions that would sustain the public confidence, and he was sure that the bulk of the solicitors in the country would welcome any provision in that direction. The clause had, of course, nothing to do with a solicitor practising before a partner. The clause was that a solicitor who was a justice might not directly or indirectly practise before the justices. He thought that would commend itself to the fairness of the Committee.

COLONEL KENYON-SLANEY (Shropshire, Newport)

asked the Solicitor-General whether, in the event of the clause being passed, he would give consideration to a case which was within his knowledge in which a solicitor in a certain town, who was clerk to the justices, was asked to become chairman of the urban council. If he accepted that office he became ex offcio a magistrate, and as such could not act as clerk to the justices. He suggested that a solicitor in that position might be allowed to refrain from taking the office of magistrate, otherwise a hardship would be done.


said the hon. and gallant Gentleman had put very fairly before the Committee a particular case, he would not say of hardship, but in which a disadvantage was incurred by a particular person. It was impossible, however, to frame or remove a disqualification without giving rise to some such case as that suggested. He was afraid that the only thing the Gentleman referred to could do would be to decline the honour offered him.


said the question was of rather more importance than the Solicitor-General appeared to realise. No one doubted that it was very desirable that those who acted as magistrates should not practise before the bench of which they were members; but this was a question whether it was desirable to put that as a positive disqualification into an Act of Parliament. It appeared to him to be a very unnecessarily insulting provision. A barrister was entitled to be a magistrate and also practise before the bench of which he was a magistrate. Why should they make this distinction between solicitors and barristers? He could not conceive any reason why they should not consider a solicitor to be as honourable and respectable as a barrister.


rose in his place, and claimed to move, "That the Question be now put;" but the Chairman withheld his assent, and declined then to put that Question.

Question again proposed.


said that upon this Amendment he was in full agreement with the Solicitor-General. What was a solicitor? He was a person who could not possibly give an unbiassed opinion. The local solicitors knew the secrets and the skeletons in every cupboard, and they knew the business of almost all the people living in their district. The effect of this Amendment would be very serious, and he could not support it.


said that every solicitor had to give an undertaking in the words of the present clause, and he thought that it was a proper provision to make. He would suggest that it should be made stronger.


rose in his place, and claimed to move, "That the Question be now put."

Question put, "That the Question be now put."

The Committee divided:—;Ayes, 310; Noes, 52. (Division List No. 60.)

Abraham, William (Cork,N.E.) Cory, Clifford John Howard, Hon. Geoffrey
Abraham, William (Rhondda) Cowan, W. H. Hudson, Walter
Acland, Francis Dyke Cox, Harold Hyde, Clarendon
Agnew, George William Cremer, William Randal Illingworth, Percy H.
Armitage, R. Crooks, William Jackson, R. S.
Armstrong, W. C. Neaton Crossley, William J. Jenkins, J.
Asquith,Rt.Hon.HerbertHenry Davies, David(Montgomery Co. Johnson, John (Gateshead)
Astbury, John Meir Davies, Timothy (Fulham) Johnson, W. (Nuneaton)
Atherley-Jones, L. Davies, W. Howell (Bristol, S.) Jones, Leif (Appleby)
Baker, Sir John (Portsmouth) Delany, William Jones, William (Carnarvonshire
Baker, Joseph A. (Finsbury, E.) Devlin, Charles Ramsay(Galwy Joyce, Michael
Balfour, Robert (Lanark) Dewar, John A. (Inverness-sh. Kearley, Hudson E.
Baring, Godfrey (Isle of Wight) Dickinson, W. H. (St. Pancras N Kekewich, Sir George
Barker, John Dobson, Thomas W. Kennedy, Vincent Paul
Barlow, Percy (Bedford) Dolan, Charles Joseph Kincaid-Smith, Captain
Barnard, E. B. Donelan, Captain A. King, Alfred John (Knutsford)
Barnes, G. N. Duckworth, James Laidlaw, Robert
Barran, Rowland Hirst Duncan, C. (Barrow-in-Furness Lamb, Edmund G. (Leominster
Beale, W. P. Dunn, A. Edward (Camborne) Lambert, George
Beauchamp, E. Edwards, Clement (Denbigh) Lamont, Norman
Beaumont, W. C. B. (Hexham) Edwards, Enoch (Hanley) Law, Hugh Alexander
Beck, A. Cecil Edwards, Frank (Radnor) Lawson, Sir Wilfrid
Bellairs, Caryon Ellis, Rt. Hon. John Edward Lehmann, R. C.
Benn, John Williams (Devonp'rt Erskine, David C. Lever, A. Levy (Essex,Harwich
BennWT'w'rH'ml'ts S.G'orges Essex, R. W. Lever, W. H. (Cheshire, Wirral)
Bennett, E. N. Eve, Harry Trelawney Levy, Maurice
Berridge, T. H. D. Everett, R. Lacey Lloyd-George, Rt. Hon. David
Bertram, Julius Fenwick, Charles Lough, Thomas
Bethell, J. H. (Essex,Romford) Ferens, T. R. Lundon, W.
Billson, Alfred Fuller, John Michael F. Lupton, Arnold
Black,ArthurW.(Bedfordshire Fullerton, Hugh Luttrell, Hugh Fownes
Boland, John Gardner,Col.Alan(Hereford,S. Lynch, H. B.
Bolton, T. D. (Derbyshire,N.E. Gill, James (Harrow) Macdonald, J. R. (Leicester)
Bottomley, Horatio Gill, A. H. Macdonald,J.M.(Falkirk B'ghs
Boulton, A. C. F. (Ramsey) Ginnell, L. Mackarness, Frederic C.
Brace, William Gladstone,Rt.HnHerbert John Macnamara, Dr. Thomas J.
Bramsdon, T. A. Glover, Thomas Macpherson, J. T.
Brigg, John Gooch, George Peabody MacVeagh, Jeremiah (Down,S.
Brodie, H. C. Grant, Corrie MacVeigh,Charles (Donegal,E.)
Brooke, Stopford Greenwood, G. (Peterborough) M'Callum, John M.
Brunner,J.F.L. (Lancs. Leigh) Griffith, Ellis J. M'Crae, George
Bryce,J. A. (Inverness Burghs) Gulland, John W. M'Kean, John
Buchanan, Thomas Ryburn Gurdon, Sir W. Brampton M'Kenna, Reginald
Burke, E. Haviland- Haldane, Rt. Hon. Richard B. M'Killop, W.
Burnyeat, J. D. W. Hall, Frederick M'Micking, Major G.
Burt, Rt. Hon. Thomas Halpin, J. Maddison, Frederick
Buxton, Rt.Hn. SydneyCharles Harcourt, Rt. Hon. Lewis Manfield, Harry (Northants)
Byles, William Pollard Hardy, George A. (Suffolk) Mansfield, H. Rendall (Lincoln)
Cairns, Thomas Harmsworth, Cecil B. (Worc'r) Markham, Arthur Basil
Carr-Gomm, H. W. Harvey, A. G. C. (Rochdale) Marks,G.Croydon (Launceston)
Causton,Rt. Hn. RichardKnight Harwood, George Marnham, F. J.
Cawley, Frederick Haslam, James (Derbyshire Massie, J.
Cheetham, John Frederick Haslam, Lewis (Monmouth) Meehan, Patrick A.
Cherry, Rt. Hon. R. R. Haworth, Arthur A. Menzies, Walter
Clarke, C. Goddard (Peckham) Hayden, John Patrick Micklem, Nathaniel
Cleland, J. W. Hazel, Dr. A. E. Molteno, Percy Alfred
Clough, W. Hazleton, Richard Mond, A.
Coats, Sir T.Glen (Renfrew, W.) Hedges, A. Paget Montagu, E. S.
Cobbold, Felix Thornley Helme, Norval Watson Mooney, J. J.
Cogan, Denis J. Henderson, Arthur (Durham) Morrell, Philip
Collins, Stephen (Lambeth) Higham, John Sharp Morse, L. L.
Collins,SirWm.J. (S. PancrasW Hobart, Sir Robert Morton, Alpheus Cleophas
Cooper, G. J. Holland, Sir William Henry Murphy, John
Corbett,CH(Sussex,E.Grinst'd Hooper, A. G. Murray, James
Cornwall, Sir Edwin A. Hope, W.Bateman(Somerset,N Myer, Horatio
Horniman, Emslie John
Nannetti, Joseph P. Robinson, S. Taylor, Theodore C. (Radcliffe)
Newnes, F. (Notts, Bassetlaw) Robson, Sir William Snowdon Tennant, E. P. (Salisbury)
Nicholls, George Roe, Sir Thomas Thomas,Abel (Carmarthen, E.)
Nicholson,CharlesN.(Doncaster Rogers, F. E. Newman Thomas, David Alfred (Merthyr
Nolan, Joseph Rose, Charles Day Tomkinson, James
Norton, Capt. Cecil William Rowlands, J. Torrance, A. M.
Nuttall, Harry Runciman, Walter Toulmin, George
O'Brien,Kendal(TipperaryMid Russell, T. W. Trevelyan, Charles Philips.
O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny) Samuel, Herbert L. (Cleveland) Ure, Alexander
O'Connor,James (Wicklow,W.) Samuel, S. M. (Whitechapel) Verney, F. W.
O'Connor, John (Kildare, N.) Scarisbrick, T. T. L. Vivian, Henry
O'Donnell, C. J. (Walworth) Schwann, C. Duncan (Hyde) Walker, H. De R. (Leicester)
O'Grady, J. Schwann, Chas. E. (Manchester Walsh, Stephen
O'Kelly, James(Roscommon,N Sears, J. E. Walters, John Tudor
O'Malley, William Seaverns, J. H. Wardle, George J.
O'Mara, James Seddon, J. Wason, Eugene (Clackmannan
O'Shee, James John Seely, Major J. B. Wason, John Cathcart (Orkney
Parker, James (Halifax) Shackleton, David James Waterlow, D. S.
Pearson, Sir W. D. (Colchester) Shaw, Charles Edw. (Stafford) Wedgwood, Josiah C.
Philipps, Owen C. (Pembroke) Shaw, Rt. Hon. T. (Hawick B.) Weir, James Galloway
Pickersgill, Edward Hare Sheehan, Daniel Daniel White, George (Norfolk)
Power, Patrick Joseph Shipman, Dr. John G. White, J. D. (Dumbartonshire)
Price, C. E. (Edinb'gh,Central) Silcock, Thomas Ball White, Luke (York, E. R.)
Radford, G. H. Simon, John Allsebrook White, Patrick (Meath, North)
Rainy, A. Holland Sinclair, Rt. Hon. John Whitehead, Rowland
Raphael, Herbert H. Smeaton, Donald Mackenzie Whitley, J. H. (Halifax)
Rea, Russell (Gloucester) Snowden, P. Whittaker, Thomas Palmer
Rea, Walter Russell (Scarboro' Soares, Ernest J. Wiles, Thomas
Redmond, John E. (Waterford) Spicer, Albert Williams, J. (Glamorgan)
Redmond, William (Clare) Stanger, H. Y. Williams, W. L. (Carmarthen)
Rees, J. D. Stanley, Hn. A. Lyulph (Chesh. Wills, Arthur Walters
Renton, Major Leslie Steadman, W. C. Wood, T. M'Kinnon
Richards, T. F. (Wolverh'pt'n Stewart, Halley (Greenock) Woodhouse,SirJT.(Huddersf'd
Richardson, A. Stewart-Smith, D. (Kendal) Young, Samuel
Rickett, J. Compton Strachey, Sir Edward
Ridsdale, E. A. Straus, B. S. (Mile End) TELLERS FOR THE AYES.—;
Roberts, Charles H. (Lincoln) Strauss, E. A. (Abingdon) Mr. Whiteley and Mr. J. A. Pease.
Roberts, G. H. (Norwich) Sullivan, Donal
Robertson, Rt. Hn. E. (Dundee Summerbell, T.
Robertson,Sir G. Scott(Bradf'd Taylor, John W. (Durham)
Acland-Hood, Rt.Hn.SirAlexF. Duncan, Robert(Lanark,Govan O'Neill, Hon. Robert Torrens
Arnold-Forster,Rt, Hn.HughO. Finch, Rt. Hon. George H. Rasch, Sir Frederic Carne
Ashley, W. W. Forster, Henry William Remnant, James Farquharson
Aubrey-Fletcher,Rt.Hn. Sir H. Gibbs, G. A. (Bristol, West) Ropner, Colonel Sir Robert
Balcarres, Lord Hamilton, Marquess of Rutherford, John (Lancashire)
Balfour,Rt.Hn.A.J.(City Lond. Hay, Hon. Claude George Rutherford, W. W. (Liverpool)
Barrie, H. T. (Londonderry,N.) Helmsley, Viscount Sassoon, Sir Edward Albeit
Beach, Hn. Michael HughHicks Hervey, F.W.F. (BuryS. Edm'ds Smith, Abel H. (Hertford, East
Bridgeman, W. Clive Hill, Sir Clement (Shrewsbury) Smith, F.E.(Liverpool, Walton)
Carlile, E. Hildred Hills, J. W. Starkey, John R.
Castlereagh, Viscount Houston, Robert Paterson Thomson, W. Mitchell-(Lanark
Cave, George Hunt, Rowland Valentia, Viscount
Cecil, Lord R. (Marylebone, E.) Lane-Fox, G. R. Williams, Col. R. (Dorset, W.)
Cochrane, Hon. Thos. H. A. E. Legge, Col. Hon. Honeage Younger, George
Corbett, T. L. (Down, North) Liddell, Henry
Courthope, G. Loyd Lonsdale, John Brownlee TELLERS FOR THE NOES.—;
Craig, Captain James (Down,E. M'Callum, John M. Sir William Bull and Mr. Charles Craig.
Craik, Sir Henry Meysey-Thompson, Major E.C.
Dairymple, Viscount Nield, Herbert

Question put accordingly, "That the words proposed to be left out, to the

The Committee divided:—;Ayes, 318; Noes, 46. (Division List No. 61.)

Abraham, Wm. (Cork, N.E.) Acland, Francis Dyke Armitage, R.
Abraham, William (Rhondda) Agnew, George William Armstrong, W. C. Heaton
Asquith, Rt. Hn. Herbert H. Dobson, Thomas W. Lambert, George
Astbury, John Meir Dolan, Charles Joseph Lane-Fox, G. R.
Baker, Sir John (Portsmouth) Donelan, Captain A. Law, Hugh Alexander
Baker, Joseph A. (Finsbury,E.) Duckworth, James Lawson, Sir Wilfrid
Balfour, Robert (Lanark) Duncan, C. (Barrow-in-Furness Lehmann, R. C.
Baring, Godfrey (Isle of Wight) Dunn, A. Edward (Camborne) Lever,A.Levy(Essex, Harwich)
Barker, John Edwards, Clement (Denbigh) Lever, W.H. (Cheshire, Wirral)
Barlow, Percy (Bedford) Edwards, Enoch (Hanley) Levy, Maurice
Barnard, E. B. Edwards, Frank (Radnor) Lloyd-George, Rt. Hon. David
Barnes, G. N. Ellis, Rt. Hon. John Edward Lough, Thomas
Barran, Rowland Hirst Erskine, David C. Lundon, W.
Beale, W. P. Essex, R. W. Lupton, Arnold
Beauchamp, E. Eve, Harry Trelawney Luttrell, Hugh Fownes
Beaumont, W. C. B. (Hexham) Everett, R. Lacey Lynch, H. B.
Beck, A. Cecil Fenwick, Charles Macdonald, J. R. (Leicester)
Bellairs, Carlyon Ferens, T. R. Macdonald, J.M. (Falkirk Bghs
Benn, John Williams(Devonprt Fuller, John Michael F. Mackarness, Frederic C.
Benn, W.(T'w'rHamlets,S.Geo. Fullerton, Hugh Macnamara, Dr. Thomas J.
Bennett, E. N. Gardner, Col. Alan (Hereford,S Macpherson, J. T.
Berridge, T. H. D. Gibb, James (Harrow) MacVeagh, Jeremiah (Down, S.
Bertram, Julius Gill, A. H. MacVeigh, Chas. (Donegal, E.)
Bethell, J.H.(Essex, Romford) Ginnell, L. M'Callum, John M.
Billson, Alfred Gladstone, Rt. Hn. Herbert J. M Crae, George
Black, ArthurW.(Bedfordshire) Glover, Thomas M'Kean, John
Boland, John Gooch, George Peabody M'Kenna, Reginald
Bolton, T. D. (Derbyshire, N.E. Grant, Corrie M'Killop, W.
Bottomley, Horatio Greenwood, G. (Peterborough) M'Micking, Major G.
Boulton, A. C. F. (Ramsey) Griffith, Ellis J. Maddison, Frederick
Brace, William Gulland, John W. Manfield, Harry (Northants)
Bramsdon, T. A. Gurdon, Sir W. Brampton Mansfield, H. Rendall(Lincoln)
Bridgeman, W. Clive Haldane, Rt. Hn. Richard B. Markham, Arthur Basil
Brigg, John Hall, Frederick Marks, G.Croydon(Launceston)
Brodie, H. C. Halpin, J. Marnham, F. J.
Brooke, Stopford Harcourt, Rt. Hon. Lewis Mason, A. E. W. (Coventry)
Brunner, J.F.L. (Lancs.,Leigh) Hardy, George A. (Suffolk) Massie, J.
Bryce, J.A.(Inverness Burghs) Harmsworth, Cecil B. (Worc'r.) Meagher, Michael
Buchanan, Thomas Ryburn Harvey, A. G. C. (Rochdale) Meehan, Patrick A.
Burke, E. Haviland- Harwood, George Menzies, Walter
Burnyeat, J. D. W. Haslam, James (Derbyshire) Micklem, Nathaniel
Burt, Rt. Hon. Thomas Haslam, Lewis (Monmouth) Molteno, Percy Alfred
Buxton, Rt. Hn. Sydney Chas. Haworth, Arthur A. Mond, A.
Byles, William Pollard Hayden, John Patrick Money, L. G. Chiozza
Cairns, Thomas Hazel, Dr. A. E. Montagu, E. S.
Carr-Goram, W. H. Hazleton, Richard Mooney, J. J.
Causton, Rt. Hn. Richard K. Hedges, A. Paget Morgan, G. Hay (Cornwall)
Cave, George Helme, Norval Watson Morrell, Philip
Cawley, Frederick Helmsley, Viscount Morse, L. L.
Cheetham, John Frederick Henderson, Arthur (Durham) Morton, Alpheus Cleophas
Cherry, Rt. Hon. R. R. Higham, John Sharp Murphy, John
Clarke, C. Goddard (Peckham) Hobart, Sir Robert Murray, James
Cleland, J. W. Holland, Sir William Henry Nannetti, Joseph P.
Clough, W. Hooper, A. G. Newnes, F. (Notts, Bassetlaw)
Coats, Sir T. Glen (Renfrew, W Hope,W. Bateman (Somerset,N Nicholls, George
Cobbold, Felix Thornley Horniman, Emslie John Nicholson, Chas. N. (Doncaster
Cogan, Denis J. Howard, Hon. Geoffrey Nolan, Joseph
Collins, Stephen (Lambeth) Hudson, Walter Norton, Capt. Cecil William
Collins, Sir W. J. (S Pancras,W Hyde, Clarendon Nuttall, Harry
Cooper, G. J. Illingworth, Percy H. O'Brien, K. (Tipperary Mid.
Corbett,C.H(Sussex,EGrinst'd) Jackson, R. S. O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny)
Cornwall, Sir Edwin A. Jenkins, J. O Connor, James (Wicklow, W
Cory, Clifford John Johnson, John (Gateshead) O'Connor, John (Kildare, N.)
Cowan, W. H. Johnson, W. (Nuneaton) O'Donnell, C. J. (Walworth)
Cox, Harold Jones, Leif (Appleby) O'Grady, J.
Cremer, William Randal Jones, William (Carnarvonsh. O'Kelly,James (Roscommon,N
Crooks, William Jowett, F. W. O'Malley, William
Crossley, William J. Joyce, Michael O'Mara, James
Davies, David(MontgomeryCo. Kearley, Hudson E. O'Shee, James John
Davies, Timothy (Fulham) Kekewich, Sir George Parker, James (Halifax)
Davies, W. Howell (Bristol, S.) Kennedy, Vincent Paul Pearson, Sir W. D. (Colchester)
Delany, William Kincaid-Smith, Captain Philipps, Owen C. (Pembroke)
Devlin, Chas. Ramsay (Galway King, Alfred John (Knutsford) Pickersgill, Edward Hare
Dewar, John A. (Inverness-sh. Laidlaw, Robert Power, Patrick Joseph
Dickinson, W.H(StPancras, N. Lamb, Edmund G. (Leominster Price, C.E. (Edinb'gh, Central)
Radford, G. H. Seaverns, J. H. Trevelyan, Charles Philips
Rainy, A. Rolland Seddon, J. Ure, Alexander
Raphael, Herbert H. Seely, Major J. B. Verney, F. W.
Rea, Russell (Gloucester) Shackleton, David James Vivian, Henry
Rea, Walter Russell (Scarboro' Shaw, Charles Edw. (Stafford) Walker, H. De R. (Leicester)
Redmond, John E. (Waterford Shaw, Rt. Hn. T. (Hawick B.) Walsh, Stephen
Redmond, William (Clare) Sheehan, Daniel Daniel Walters, John Tudor
Rees, J. D. Shipman, Dr. John G. Wardle, George J.
Renton, Major Leslie Silcock, Thomas Ball Wason, Eugene (Clackmannan
Richards, T. F.)Wolverh'mptn Simon, John Allsebrook Wason, John Cathcart(Orkney
Richardson, A. Sinclair, Rt. Hon. John Waterlow, D. S.
Rickett, J. Compton Smeaton, Donald Mackenzie Wedgwood, Josiah C.
Ridsdale, E. A. Snowden, P. Weir, James Galloway
Roberts, Chas. H. (Lincoln) Soares, Ernest J. White, George (Norfolk)
Roberts, G. H. (Norwich) Spicer, Albert White, J. D. (Dumbartonshire
Robertson, Rt. Hn. E. (Dundee Stanger, H. Y. White, Luke (York, E. R.
Robertson, SirGScott(Bradf'rd Stanley, Hn. A. Lyulph(Chesh White, Patrick (Meath, North)
Robinson, S. Steadman, W. C. Whitehead, Rowland
Robson, Sir William Snowdon Stewart, Halley (Greenock) Whitley, J. H. (Halifax)
Roe, Sir Thomas Stewart-Smith, D. (Kendal) Whittaker, Thomas Palmer
Rogers, F. E. Newman Strachey, Sir Edward Wiles, Thomas
Rose, Charles Day Straus, B. S. (Mile End) Williams, J. (Glamorgan)
Rowlands, J. Strauss, E. A. (Abindgon) Williams, W. L. (Carmarthen)
Runciman, Walter Sullivan, Donal Wills, Arthur Walters
Robertson, Rt. Hn. E(Dundee) Summerbell, T. Wood, T. M'Kinnon
Rutherford, W. W. (Liverpool) Taylor, John W. (Durham) Woodhouse, SirJT(Huddersf'd
Samuel, Herbert L. (Cleveland) Taylor, Theodore C. (Radcliffe) Young, Samuel
Samuel, S. M. (Whitechapel) Tennant, E. P. (Salisbury)
Scarisbrick, T. T. L. Thomas, Abel (Carmarthen, E. TELLERS FOR THE AYES:—;Mr.Whiteley and Mr. Herbert Lewis.
Schwann, C. Duncan (Hyde) Thomas, DavidAlfred(Merthyr
Schwann, Chas.E. (Manchester) Tomkinson, James
Scott, A.H. (AshtonunderLyne Torrance, A. M.
Sears, J. E. Toulmin, George
Acland-Hood, Rt. Hn.SirAlexF Finch, Rt. Hn. George H. O'Neill, Hon. Robert Torrens
Arnold-Forster, Rt. Hn H. O. Forster, Henry William Rasch, Sir Frederic Carne
Ashley, W. W. Gibbs, G. A. (Bristol, West) Remnant, James Farquharson
Aubrey-Fletcher, Rt. Hn.Sir H Hamilton, Marquess of Ropner, Colonel Sir Robert
Balcarres, Lord Hay, Hon. Claude George Rutherford, John (Lancashire)
Barrie, H. T. (Londonderry, N Hervey,F.W.F.(BurySEdm'ds) Sassoon, Sir Edward Albert
Beach, Hn. Michael H. Hicks Hill, Sir Clement (Shrewsbury) Smith, F.E. (Liverpool, Walton
Carlile, E. Hildred Hills, J. W. Starkey, John R.
Castlereagh, Viscount Houston, Robert Paterson Thomson, W. Mitchell-(Lanark
Cecil, Lord R. (Marylebone, E.) Hunt, Rowland Valentia, Viscount
Cochrane, Hon. Thos. H. A. E. Keswick, William Williams, Col. R. (Dorset, W.)
Corbett, T. L. (Down, North) Legge, Col. Hon. Heneage Younger, George
Courthope, G. Loyd Liddell, Henry
Craig, Captain J. (Down, E.) Lonsdale, John Brownlee TELLERS FOR THE NOES:—;Sir William Bull and Mr. Charles Craig.
Craik, Sir Henry M'Calmont, Colonel James
Dairymple, Viscount Meysey-Thompson, Major E.C.
Duncan, Robert (Lanark,Govan Nield, Herbert

word 'or,' in line 13, stand part of the Clause."

And, it being after Eleven of the clock, the Chairman proceeded to interrupt the business.

Whereupon Mr. SOLICITOR-GENERAL claimed, "That the Question 'That the

Clause stand part of the Bill' be now put."

The Committee divided:—;Ayes, 304; Noes, 52. (Division List No. 62.)

Abraham, William (Cork, N.E. Astbury, John Meir Barlow, Percy (Bedford)
Abraham, William (Rhondda) Baker, Sir John (Portsmouth) Barnard, E. B.
Acland, Francis Dyke Baker, Joseph A. (Finsbury, E. Barnes, G. N.
Agnew, George William Balfour, Robert (Lanark) Barran, Rowland Hirst
Armitage, R. Baring, Godfrey (Isle of Wight) Beale, W. P.
Armstrong, W. C. Heaton Barker, John Beauchamp, E.
Beaumont, W. C. B. (Hexham) Gardner, Col. Alan (Hereford,S M'Crae, George
Beck, A. Cecil Gibb, James (Harrow) M'Kean, John
Bellairs, Carlyon Gill, A. H. M'Kenna, Reginald
Benn, John Williams(De vonp'rt Ginnell, L. M'Killop, W.
Benn, W.(T'w'r Hamlets,SGeo. Gladstone, Rt. Hn. Herbert J. M'Micking, Major G.
Bennett, E. N. Glover, Thomas Maddison, Frederick
Berridge, T. H. D. Gooch, George Peabody Manfield, Harry (Northants)
Bertram, Julius Grant, Corrie Mansfield, H. Rendall (Lincoln
Billson, Alfred Greenwood, G. (Peterborough) Markham, Arthur Basil
Black, A. W. (Bedfordshire) Griffith, Ellis J. Marks, G.Croydon (Launceston
Boland, John Gulland, John W. Marnham, F. J.
Bolton, T. D. (Derbyshire, N.E. Gurdon, Sir W. Brampton Mason, A. E. W. (Coventry)
Boulton, A. C. F. (Ramsey) Haldane, Rt. Hon. Richard B. Massie, J.
Brace, William Hall, Frederick Meagher, Michael
Bramsdon, T. A. Halpin, J. Meehan, Patrick A.
Brigg, John Harcourt, Right Hon. Lewis Menzies, Walter
Brodie, H. C. Hardy, George A. (Suffolk) Micklem, Nathaniel
Brooke, Stopford Harmsworth, Cecil B. (Worc'r Molteno, Percy Alfred
Brunner, J. F. L. (Lancs.,Leigh Harvey, A. G. C. (Rochdale) Mond, A.
Bryce, J. A. (Inverness Burghs Harwood, George Money, L. G. Chiozza
Buchanan, Thomas Ryburn Haslam, James (Derbyshire) Montagu, E. S.
Burke, E. Haviland- Haslam, Lewis (Monmouth) Mooney, J. J.
Burnyeat, J. D. W. Haworth, Arthur A. Morgan, G. Hay (Cornwall)
Burt, Rt. Hon. Thomas Hayden, John Patrick Morrell, Philip
Buxton, Rt. Hn. Sydney Chas. Hazel, Dr. A. E. Morse, L. L.
Byles, William Pollard Hazleton, Richard Morton, Alpheus Cleophas
Cairns, Thomas Hedges, A. Paget Murphy, John
Carr-Gomm, H. W. Helme, Norval Watson Murray, James
Causton, Rt Hn.RichardKnight Henderson, Arthur (Durham) Nannetti, Joseph P.
Cawley, Frederick Higham, John Sharp Newnes, F. (Notts, Bassetlaw)
Cheetham, John Frederick Hobart, Sir Robert Nicholls, George
Cherry, Rt. Hon. R. R. Holland, Sir William Henry Nicholson, Chas. N. (Doncaster
Clarke, C. Goddard (Peckham) Hooper, A. G. Nolan, Joseph
Cleland, J. W. Hope, W. Bateman(Somerset,N. Norton, Capt. Cecil William
Clough, W. Horniman, Emslie John Nuttall, Harry
Coats, Sir T. Glen (Renfrew,W.) Howard, Hon. Geoffrey O'Brien,Kendal(Tipperary,Mid
Cobbold, Felix Thornley Hudson, Walter O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny)
Cogan, Denis J. Hyde, Clarendon O'Connor, James (Wicklow, W
Collins, Stephen (Lambeth) Illingworth, Percy H. O'Connor, John (Kildare, N.)
Collins,SirWm.J (S.Pancras,W. Jackson, R. S. O'Donnell, C. J. (Walworth)
Cooper, G. J. Jenkins, J. O'Grady, J.
Corbett,C H (Sussex,E.Grinst'd Johnson, John (Gateshead) O'Kelly,James (Roscommon,N
Cornwall, Sir Edwin A. Johnson, W. (Nuneaton) O'Malley, William
Cory, Clifford John Jones, Leif (Appleby) O'Mara, James
Cowan, W. H. Jones, William (Carnarvonsh. O'Shee, James John
Cremer, William Randal Jowett, F. W. Parker, James (Halifax)
Crooks, William Joyce, Michael Pearson, Sir W. D. (Colchester)
Crossley, William J. Kearley, Hudson E. Philipps, Owen C. (Pembroke)
Davies,David(MontgomeryCo.) Kekewich, Sir George Pickersgill, Edward Hare
Davies, Timothy (Fulham) Kennedy, Vincent Paul Power, Patrick Joseph
Davies, W. Howell (Bristol, S.) Kincaid-Smith, Captain Price, C. E. (Edinburgh,Central
Delany, William King, Alfred John (Knutsford) Radford, G. H.
Devlin, Chas. Ramsay (Galway Lamb, Edmund G. (Leominster Rainy, A. Holland
Dewar, John A. (Inverness-sh. Lambert, George Raphael, Herbert H.
Dickinson,H.W.(St.Pancras,N. Law, Hugh Alexander Rea, Russell (Gloucester)
Dobson, Thomas W. Lawson, Sir Wilfrid Rea, Walter Russell (Scarboro'
Dolan, Charles Joseph Lehmann, R. C. Redmond, John E. (Waterford
Donelan, Captain A. Lever, A. Levy (Essex,Harwich Redmond, William (Clare)
Duckworth, James Lever, W. H. (Cheshire, Wirral Rees, J. D.
Duncan, C. (Barrow-in-Furness Levy, Maurice Renton, Major Leslie
Dunn, A. Edward (Camborne) Lloyd-George, Rt. Hon. David Richards, T. F. (Wolverh'mptn
Edwards, Clement (Denbigh) Lough, Thomas Richardson, A.
Edwards, Enoch (Hanley) Lundon, W. Rickett, J. Compton
Edwards, Frank (Radnor) Lupton, Arnold Ridsdale, E. A.
Ellis, Rt. Hon. John Edward Luttrell, Hugh Fownes Roberts, Charles H. (Lincoln)
Erskine, David C. Lynch, H. B. Roberts, G. H. (Norwich)
Essex, R. W. Macdonald, J. R. (Leicester) Robertson, Rt. Hn. E. (Dundee
Eve, Harry Trelawney Macdonald, J.M.(Falkirk B'ghs Robertson, Sir GScott(Bradf rd
Everett, R. Lacey Mackarness, Frederic C. Robinson, S.
Fenwick, Charles Macnamara, Dr. Thomas J. Robson, Sir William Snowdon
Ferens, T. R. MacVeagh, Jeremiah (Down, S Roe, Sir Thomas
Fuller, John Michael F. MacVeigh, Chas. (Donegal, E.) Rogers, F. E. Newman
Fullerton, Hugh M'Callum, John M. Rose, Charles Day
Rowlands, J. Spicer, Albert Wardle, George J.
Runciman, Walter Stanger, H. Y. Wason, Eugene (Clackmannan
Russell, T. W. Stanley, Hn. A.Lyulph(Chesh) Wason, John Cathcart(Orkney
Samuel, Herbert L. (Cleveland Steadman, W. C. Waterlow, D. S.
Samuel, S. M. (Whitechapel) Stewart-Smith, D. (Kendal) Wedgwood, Josiah C.
Scarisbrick, T. T. L. Strachey, Sir Edward Weir, James Galloway
Schwann, C. Duncan (Hyde) Straus, B. S. (Mile End) White, George (Norfolk)
Schwann, Chas. E. (Manchester Strauss, E. A. (Abingdon) White, J. D. (Dumbartonshire
Scott,A.H.(Ashton under Lyne Sullivan, Donal White, Luke (York, E. R.)
Sears, J. E. Summerbell, T. White, Patrick (Meath, North
Seaverns, J. H. Taylor, John W. (Durham) Whitehead, Rowland
Seddon, J. Taylor, Theodore C. (Radcliffe Whitley, J. H. (Halifax)
Seely, Major J. B. Tennant, E. P. (Salisbury) Whittaker, Thomas Palmer
Shackleton, David James Thomas, Abel (Carmarthen, E. Wiles, Thomas
Shaw, Charles Edw. (Stafford) Thomas, David Alfred(Merthyr Williams, J. (Glamorgan)
Shaw, Rt. Hn. T. (Hawick, B.) Tomkinson, James Williams, W. L. (Carmarthen)
Sheehan, Daniel Daniel Torrance, A. M. Wills, Arthur Walters
Shipman, Dr. John G. Toulmin, George Wood, T. M'Kinnon
Silcock, Thomas Ball Trevelyan, Charles Philips Woodhouse,SirJ.T.(Hudd'rsf'd
Simon, John Allsebrook Verney, F. W. Young, Samuel
Sinclair, Rt. Hon. John Vivian, Henry
Smeaton, Donald Mackenzie Walker, H. De R. (Leicester) TELLERS FOR THE AYES—;Mr.Whiteley and Mr. Herbert Lewis.
Snowdon, P. Walsh, Stephen
Soares, Ernest J. Walters, John Tudor
Acland-Hood,Rt Hn Sir AlexF. Dalrymple, Viscount Nield, Herbert
Arnold-Forster,Rt.Hn.HughO. Duncan, Robt. (Lanark, Govan O'Neill, Hon. Robert Torrens
Ashley, W. W. Finch, Rt. Hon. George H. Rasch, Sir Frederic Carne
Aubrey-Fletcher, Rt. Hn. SirH Forster, Henry William Remnant, J. Farquharson
Balcarres, Lord Gibbs, G. A. (Bristol, West) Ropner, Colonel Sir Robert
Barrie, H.T.(Londonderry, N.)| Hamilton, Marquess of Rutherford, John (Lancashire
Beach, Hn. Michael HughHicks Helmsley, Viscount Salter, Arthur Clavell
Bridgeman, W. Clive Hervey,F.W.F.(BuryS.Edm'ds Smith, Abel H. (Hertford, East
Bull, Sir William James Hill, Sir Clement (Shrewsbury) Smith, F. E. (Liverpool,Walton
Carlile, E. Hildred Hills, J. W. Starkey, John R.
Castlereagh, Viscount Houston, Robert Paterson Thomson,W. Mitchell-(Lanark)
Cave, George Hunt, Rowland Valentia, Viscount
Cecil, Lord R. (Marylebone, E. Keswick, William Williams, Col. R. (Dorset, W.)
Cochrane, Hon. Thos, H. A. E Lane-Fox, G. R. Younger, George
Corbett, T. L. (Down, North) Legge, Col. Hon. Heneage
Courthope, G. Loyd Liddell, Henry TELLERS FOR THE NOES—;Mr. Claude Hay and Mr. Watson Rutherford.
Craig, Chas. Curtis (Antrim, S. Lonsdale, John Brownlee
Craig, Captain James (Down,E M'Calmont, Colonel James
Craik, Sir Henry Meysey-Thompson, Major E.C.

Question put accordingly, "That the clause stand part of the Bill."

The Committee divided:—;Ayes, 295; Noes, 42. (Division List No. 63.)

Abraham, William (Cork, N.E. Beaumont, W. C. B. (Hexham) Bryce, J. A. (InvernessBurghs)
Abraham, William (Rhondda) Beck, A. Cecil Buchanan, Thomas Ryburn
Acland, Francis Dyke Bellairs, Carlyon Burke, E. Haviland-
Agnew, George William Benn,John Williams (Devonp'rt Burnyeat, J. D. W.
Armitage, R. Benn, W.(T'w'rHamlets,S.Geo. Burt, Rt. Hon. Thomas
Armstrong, W. C. Heaton Bennett, E. N. Buxton, Rt. Hon. Sydney Chas.
Astbury, John Meir Berridge, T. H. D. Byles, William Pollard
Baker, Sir John (Portsmouth) Billson, Alfred Cairns, Thomas
Baker, JosephA.(Finsbury,E.) Black, ArthurW.(Bedfordshire Carr-Gomm, H.W.
Balfour, Robert (Lanark) Boland, John Causton,Rt.Hn.RichardKnight
Baring, Godfrey (Isle ofWight) Bolton, T.D. (Derbyshire, N.E. Cave, George
Barker, John Boulton, A. C. F. (Ramsey) Cawley, Frederick
Barlow, Percy (Bedford) Brace, William Cheetham, John Frederick
Barnard, E. B. Bramsdon, T. A. Cherry, Rt. Hon. R. R.
Barnes, G. N. Brigg, John Clarke, C. Goddard (Peckham)
Barran, Rowland Hirst Brodie, H. C. Cleland, J. W.
Beale, W. P. Brooke, Stopford Clough, W.
Beauchamp, E. Brunner, J.F.L. (Lancs.,Leigh) Coats, Sir T. Glen(Renfrew,W.)
Cobbold, Felix Thornley Illingworth, Percy H. O'Kelly, James(Roscommon,N
Cogan, Denis J. Jenkins, J. O'Malley, William
Collins, Stephen (Lambeth) Johnson, John (Gateshead O'Mara, James
(Collins, SirWm.J.(S.Pancras,W Johnson, W. (Nuneatoii) O'Shee, James John
Cooper, G. J. Jones, Leif (Appleby) Parker, James (Halifax)
Corbett, CH (Sussex,K.Grinst'd Jones, William (Carnarvonshire Pearson, Sir W.D. (Colchester)
Cornwall, Sir Edwin A. Jowett, F. W. Philipps, Owen, C. (Pembroke)
Cory, Clifford John Joyce, Michael Pickersgill, Edward Hare
Cowan, W. H. Kearley, Hudson, E. Power, Patrick Joseph
Cremer, William Randal Kennedy, Vincent Paul Price, C.E. (Edinburgh Central)
Crooks, William Kincaid-Smith, Captain Radford, G. H.
Crossley, William J. King, Alfred John (Knutsford) Rainy, A. Holland
Davies, David(MontgomeryCo. Lamb, Edmund G. (Leominster Raphael, Herbert H.
Davies, Timothy (Fulham) Lambert, George Rea, Russell (Gloucester)
Davies, W. Howell (Bristol, S.) Law, Hugh Alexander Rea, Walter Russell (Scarboro'
Delany, William Lawson, Sir Wilfrid Redmond, John E. (Waterford
Devlin,CharlesRamsay(Galway Lehmann, R. C. Redmond, William (Clare)
Dewar, John A. (Inverness-sh. Lever, A. Levy(Essex,Harwich Rees, J. D.
Dickinson, H.W.(St.Pancras,N Lever, W.H. (Cheshire,Wirral) Renton, Major Leslie
Dobson, Thomas W. Levy, Maurice Richards, T.F. (Wolverh'mpt'n
Dolan, Charles Joseph Lloyd-George, Rt. Hon. David Richardson, A.
Donelan, Captain A. Lough, Thomas Rickett, J. Compton
Duckworth, James Lundon, W. Ridsdale, E. A.
Duncan, C. (Barrow-in-Furness Lupton, Arnold Roberts, Charles H. (Lincoln)
Dunn, A. Edward (Camborne) Luttrell, Hugh Fownes Roberts, G. H. (Norwich)
Edwards, Clement (Denbigh) Lynch, H. B. Robertson, SirG.Scott(Bradf'rd
Edwards, Enoch (Hanley) Macdonald, J. R. (Leicester) Robinson, S.
Edwards, Frank (Radnor) Macdonald, J.M. (Falkirk B'ghs Robson, Sir William Snowdon
Ellis, Rt. Hon. John Edward Mackarness, Frederic C. Roe, Sir Thomas
Erskine, David C. Macnamara, Dr. Thomas J. Rogers, F. E. Newman
Essex, R. W. MacVeagh, Jeremiah (Down,S. Rose, Charles Day
Eve, Harry Trelawney MacVeigh, Charles(Donegal,E. Rowlands, J.
Everett, R. Lacey M'Callum, John M. Runciman, Walter
Fenwick, Charles M'Crae, George Russell, T. W.
Ferens, T. R. M'Kean, John Samuel, Herbert L. (Cleveland
Fuller, John Michael F. M'Kenna, Reginald Samuel, S. M. Whitechapel)
Fullerton, Hugh M'Killop, W. Scarisbrick, T. T. L.
Gardner, Col.Alan(Hereford,S.) M'Micking, Major G. Schwann, C. Duncan (Hyde)
Gill, A. H. Maddison, Frederick Schwann, Chas.E.(Manchester)
Ginnell, L. Manfield, Harry (Northants) Scott, A.H. (Ashton under Lyne
Gladstone, Rt.Hn. HerbertJohn Mansfield, H. Rendall (Lincoln Sears, J. E.
Glover, Thomas Markham, Arthur Basil Seaverns, J. H.
Grant, Corrie Marks, G.Croydon(Launceston] Seddon, J.
Greenwood, G. (Peterborough) Marnham, F. J. Seely, Major J. B.
Griffith, Ellis J. Mason, A. E. W. (Coventry) Shackleton, David James
Gulland, John W. Massie, J. Shaw, Charles Edw. (Stafford)
Gurdon, Sir W. Brampton Meagher, Michael Shaw, Rt. Hon. T. (Hawick, B.
Haldane, Rt. Hon. Richard B. Meehan, Patrick A. Sheehan, Daniel Daniel
Hall, Frederick Menzies, Walter Shipman, Dr. John G.
Halpin, J. Micklem, Nathaniel Silcock, Thomas Ball
Harcourt, Rt. Hon. Lewis Molteno, Percy Alfred Simon, John Allsebrook
Hardy, George A. (Suffolk) Mond, A. Sinclair, Rt. Hon. John
Harmsworth, Cecil B. (Worc'r) Money, L. G. Chiozza Smeaton, Donald Mackenzie
Harvey, A. G. C. (Rochdale) Montagu, E. S. Snowdon, P.
Harwood, George Mooney, J. J. Soares, Ernest J.
Haslam, James (Derbyshire) Morgan, G. Hay (Cornwall Spicer, Albert
Haslam, Lewis (Monmouth) Morrell, Philip Stanger, H. Y.
Haworth, Arthur A. Morse, L. L. Stanley, Hn.A.Lyulph(Chesh.)
Hayden, John Patrick Morton, Alpheus Cleophas Steadman, W. C.
Hazel, Dr. A. E. Murphy, John Stewart-Smith, D. (Kendal)
Hazelton, Richard Murray, James Strachey, Sir Edward
Hedges, A. Paget Nannetti, Joseph P. Straus, B. S, (Mile End)
Helme, Norval Watson Newnes, F. (Notts, Basset law) Strauss, E. A. (Abingdon)
Henderson, Arthur (Durham) Nicholls, George Sullivan, Donal
Higham, John Sharp Nicholson, CharlesN.(Doncast'r Summerbell, T.
Hobart, Sir Robert Nolan, Joseph Taylor, John W. (Durham)
Holland, Sir William Henry Norton, Capt. Cecil William Taylor, Theodore C. (Radcliffe)
Hooper, A. G. Nuttall, Harry Tennant, E. P. (Salisbury)
Hope, W. Bateman(Somerset,N O'Brien, Kendal (TipperaryMid Thomas, Abel (Carmarthen, E.
Horniman, Emslie John O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny) Thomas, David Alfred (Merthyr
Howard, Hon. Geoffrey O'Connor, James (Wicklow,W. Tomkinson, James
Hudson, Walter O'Connor, John (Kildare, N.) Toulmin, Goorge
Hyde, Clarendon O'Grady, J. Verney, F. W.
Vivian, Henry White, George (Norfolk) Williams, W. L. (Carmarthen)
Walker, H. De R. (Leicester) White, J. D. (Dumbartonshire) Wills, Arthur Walters
Walsh, Stephen White, Luke (York, E. R.) Wood, T. M'Kinnon
Wardle, George J. White, Patrick (Meath, North Woodhouse, SirJ.T.(Hudd'rsf'd
Wason, Eugene (Clackmannan Whitehead, Rowland Younger, George
Wason, John Cathcart(Orkney) Whitley, J. H. (Halifax)
Waterlow, D. S. Whittaker, Thomas Palmer TELLERS FOR THE AYES—;Mr.Whiteley and Mr. Herbert Lewis.
Wedgwood, Josiah C. Wiles, Thomas
Weir, James Galloway Williams, J. (Glagmoran)
Acland-Hood, Rt.Hn.SirAlex.F Finch, Rt. Hon. George H. O'Neill, Hon. Robert Torrens
Ashley, W. W. Forster, Henry William Rasch, Sir Frederic Carne
Balcarres, Lord Gibbs, G. A. (Bristol, West) Ropner, Colonel Sir Robert
Barrie, H. T. (Londonderry, N. Hamilton, Marquess of Rutherford, John (Lancashire)
Beach, Hn.MichaelHughHicks Hay, Hon. Claude George Rutherford, W. W. (Liverpool)
Bridgeman, W. Clive Hervey, F.W.F.(BuryS.Edm'd Smith, F.E. (Liverpool, Walton)
Bull, Sir William James Hill, SirClement(Shrewsbury) Starkey, John R.
Carlile, E. Hildred Hill, Henry Staveley (Staff'sh.) Thomson, W.Mitchell-(Lanark)
Castlereagh, Viscount Hills, J. W. Valentia, Viscount
Cecil, Lord R. (Marylebone,E.) Houston, Robert Paterson Younger, George
Corbett, T. L. (Down, North) Hunt, Rowland
Courthope, G. Loyd Lane-Fox, G. R. TELLERS FOR THE NOES—;Mr. Lonsdale and Viscount Helm- sley.
Craig, Charles Curtis (Antrim,S. Liddell, Henry
Craig, CaptainJames(Down,E.) M'Calmont, Colonel James
Dairymple, Viscount Meysey-Thompson, Major E.C.
Duncan, Robert(Lanark,Covan Nield, Herbert

Whereupon the Chairman left the Chair to make his Report to the House.

Committee report Progress; to sit again this day.


said he desired as a matter of order to ask whether under the new rules the House was not supposed to rise at 11.30, and if so whether it was in order to proceed now with any further business.


I think it will be desirable to follow the same practice as in the last Parliament. The practice was that in case the House sat after one o'clock the Orders of the Day were gone through.


Does that also apply to Bills moved and read a second time and not objected to?




The Standing Order lays down that unless it is a Bill origina- ting in Committee of Ways and Means it shall not be proceeded with.


The practice uniformly was as I have described, that is to say, if by reason of divisions or for any other reason the House sat after one o'clock the Orders of the Day were read through, but if the Orders were reached before one o'clock when one o'clock arrived the House rose. That was the interpretation placed on Standing Order No. 1, and I think it will probably be desirable to continue that practice.