§ Order for Second Reading read.
§ Motion made and Question proposed, "That the Bill be now read a second time."
§ MR. MORTONmoved that the Bill be read a second time this day six months. He was not at all disheartened by the vote just taken on the Midland Railway Bill. He remembered when he proposed in 1893 to insert a Clause in a Tramway Bill to prevent extra fares being charged on Sundays and public holidays, he was opposed by the Liberal Government of that day, but in the end he defeated them and now that clause was a "Model Clause" and inevery Tramway Act all over the United Kingdom, and he had no doubt that the forty-three good and true representatives who voted against the previous Bill would win in the end. [Cries of "Divide" from NATIONALIST Members.] He should like to remind hon. Members from Ireland that he and others had supported them on many occasions in the dark days, some years back. They would gain no time by trying to shout him down. He did not at all agree with the doctrine laid down to-night by the Chairman of Committees. The Chairman knew distinctly that the 318 matter he (Mr. Morton) had brought forward could not be considered upstairs under the present circumstances, and therefore he must do his best to get this Bill thrown out. He remembered that in 1882 when the right hon. Gentleman the Member for West Birmingham was President of the Board of Trade he told the people of this country distinctly that it was not only their right but their duty on occasions when railway and other companies came, to Parliament to ask that grievances should be redressed by the companies before any other favours were granted to them by Parliament. He was sorry the Government were against him to-night; but he warned them that in the interests of the people they would defeat the Government yet on this matter. There would be further opportunities on the consideration and Third Reading stages of these Bills to get redress for the grievances properly complained of by the people and he should avail himself of all those opportunities.
§ SIR HOWARD VINCENTseconded. He did not know whether the right hon. Gentleman the Member for the Epping Division of Essex, who appeared to be a universal railway director, was able to give the same assurance for the benefit of his constituents as he did in the case of the Midland Railway Bill, but if not he should have to support the Amendment.
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Amendment proposed—
To leave out the word 'now,' and at the end of the Question to add the words 'upon this day six months.' "—(Mr. Morton.)
§ Question proposed, "That the word 'now' stand part of the Question."
§ MR. DALZIELsaid it was most unfortunate that on an important Bill of this character no one was commissioned by the railway company to offer a word of explanation or to reply to any question which might be reasonably asked by any Member of the House. He believed there were directors of the company in the House, and it was their duty to say something. He did not believe that the division on the previous Bill was any indication of what the opinion of this House would be upon the question of whether or not proper accommodation should be provided for third class passengers. They were not asking for anything they were not willing to
§ pay for. They would pay their 5s. or 7s. 6d., and it would recompense the railway companies to meet them in this respect. The railway companies were making a mistake in turning a deaf ear to the reasonable demands that were made. He regretted that so many hon. Gentlemen had found it their duty to oppose the present demand, which represented the opinion of the great mass of working people. In view of the fact that apparently no one was present to give any assurance on behalf of the railway companies, and in view of the fact that there were other matters to be considered to-night, he begged leave to move the adjournment of the debate.
§ Motion made, and Question put, "That the debate be now adjourned."—(Mr. Dalziel.)
§ The House divided: Ayes, 137, Noes, 166. (Division List, No. 21.)
321| AYES. | ||
| Abraham, William (Cork, N.E.) | Fiennes, Hon. Eustace | Mac Veagh, Jeremiah (Down, S. |
| Arnold-Forster. Rt. Hn. Hugh O. | Finch, Rt. Hon. George H. | Mac Veigh, Charles(Donegal, E.) |
| Baring, Godfrey (Isle of Wight) | Flavin, Michael Joseph | M'Callum, John M. |
| Barker, John | Flynn, James Christopher | M'Kean, John |
| Barnard, E. B. | Gilhooly, James | M'Killop, W. |
| Barry, E. (Cork, S.) | Gill, A. H. | Mallet, Charles E. |
| Bell, Richard | Ginnell, L. | Mansfield, H. Rendall (Lincoln) |
| Billson, Alfred | Gladstone, Rt. Hn. Herbert John | Meagher, Michael |
| Boland, John | Grove, Archibald | Meehan, Patrick A. |
| Brace, William | Halpin, J. | Montgomery, H. H. |
| Burke, E. Haviland | Hammond, John | Murnaghan, George |
| Burt, Rt. Hon. Thomas | Harmsworth, Cecil B. (Worc'r) | Murphy, John |
| Byles, William Pollard | Harwood, George | Myer, Horatio |
| Channing, Francis Allston | Hayden, John Patrick | Nicholls, George |
| Clancy, John Joseph | Hazleton, Richard | Nicholson, Charles N (Doncast' |
| Cleland, J. W. | Hedges, A. Paget | Nolan, Joseph |
| Clynes, J. R. | Henderson, Arthur (Durham) | Norton, Capt. Cecil William |
| Cogan, Denis J. | Henry, Charles S. | O'Brien, Kendal(Tipperary Mid |
| Condon, Thomas Joseph | Higham, John Sharp | O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny) |
| Cooper, G. J. | Hodge, John | O'Brien, William (Cork) |
| Corbett, CH(Sussex, E Grinst'd) | Hogan, Michael | O'Connor, James (Wicklow, W.) |
| Corbett, T. L. (Down, North) | Hope, John Deans (Fife, West) | O'Connor, John (Kildare, N.) |
| Craig, Captain James(Down, E.) | Hudson, Walter | O'Dowd, John |
| Crean, Eugene | Jenkins, J. | O'Grady, J. |
| Cremer, William Randal | Johnson, John (Gateshead) | O'Kelly, James (Roscommon N. |
| Crooks, William | Jones, Leif (Appleby) | O'Mara, James |
| Cressley, William J. | Jones, William (Carnarvonshire | O'Shaughnessy, P. J. |
| Davies, Timothy (Fulham) | Kearley, Hudson E. | O'Shee, James John |
| Delany, William | Kennedy, Vincent Paul | Parker, James (Halifax) |
| Devlin, Charles Ramsay(Galway | Lawson, Sir Wilfrid | Paul, Herbert |
| Dewar, Arthur (Edinburgh, S.) | Lewis, John Herbert | Philipps, Col. Ivor(S'thampton) |
| Dillon, John | Liddell, Henry | Pickersgill, Edward Hare |
| Donelan, Captain A. | Lloyd-George, Rt. Hon. David | Power, Patrick Joseph |
| Du y, William J. | Lough, Thomas | Reddy, M. |
| Duncan, C. (Barrow-in-Furness | Lundon, W. | Redmond, John E. (Waterford |
| Dunn, A. Edward (Camborne) | Macdonald, J. R. (Leicester) | Redmond, William (Clare) |
| Ffrench, Peter | MacNeill, John Gordon Swift | Remnant, James Farquharson |
| Richards, T. F. (Wolverh'mptn | Sheehy, David | Whiteley, George (York, W.R.) |
| Roberts, G. H. (Norwich) | Snowden, P. | Wilkie, Alexander |
| Roche, Augustine (Cork) | Steadman, W.C. | Wilson, J. H. (Middlesbrough) |
| Rose, Charles Day | Stewart, Halley (Greenock) | Wilson, P. W. (St. Pancras, S.) |
| Rutherford, V. H. (Brentford) | Sullivan, Donal | Winfrey, R. |
| Samuel, Herbert L.(Cleveland) | Summerbell, T. | Young, Samuel |
| Schwann, C. Duncan (Hyde) | Taylor, John W. (Durham) | |
| Seely, Major J. B. | Thorne, William | TELLERS FOR THE AYES—Mr. |
| Shackleton, David James | Vincent, Col. Sir C. E. Howard | Dalziel and Mr. Morton. |
| Sheehan, Daniel Daniel | White, Patrick (Meath, North) | |
| NOES. | ||
| Acland, Francis Dyke | Forster, Henry William | O'Donnell, C. J. (Walworth) |
| Agnew, George William | Fuller, J. M. F. | Paulton, James Mellor |
| Ainsworth, John Stirling | Fullerton, Hugh | Pearce, Robert (Staffs. Leek) |
| Allen, A. Acland (Christchurch) | Glendinning, R. G. | Pearce, William (Limehouse) |
| Allen, Charles P. (Stroud) | Gooch, George Peabody | Perks, Robert William |
| Astbury, John Meir | Hall, Frederick | Powell, Sir Francis Sharp |
| Baker, Sir John (Portsmouth) | Hambro, Charles Eric | Price, C. E.(Edinb'gh, Central) |
| Balcarres, Lord | Hamilton, Marquess of | Radford, G. H. |
| Balfour, Robert (Lanark) | Hardy, George A. (Suffolk) | Raphael, Herbert H. |
| Baring, Hon. Guy (Winchester) | Hardy, Laurence(Kent Ashford | Rea, Walter Russell (Scarboro' |
| Barran, Rowland Hirst | Harvey, A. G. C. (Rochdale) | Rendall, Athelstan |
| Beale, W. P. | Haslam, Lewis (Monmouth) | Richardson, A. |
| Belloc, Hiliare Joseph Peter R. | Haworth, Arthur A. | Ridsdale, E. A. |
| Bennett, E. N. | Helme, Norval Watson | Roberts, Charles H. (Lincoln) |
| Berridge, T. H. D. | Helmsley, Viscount | Roberts. S. (Sheffield, Ecclesall) |
| Bertram, Julius | Henderson, J. M.(Aberdeen, W.) | Robinson, S. |
| Bignold, Sir Arthur | Herbert, Colonel Ivor(Mon., S.) | Rogers, F. E. Newman |
| Black, Arthur W. (Bedfordshire | Hervey, F.W.F.(Bury S.Edm'ds | Runciman, Walter |
| Bolton, T.D.(Derbyshire, N.E.) | Hills, J. W. | Rutherford, W. W. (Liverpool) |
| Boyle, Sir Edward | Hobart, Sir Robert | Salter, Arthur Clavell |
| Bramsdon, T. A. | Holden, E. Hopkinson | Schwann, Chas. E.(Manchester) |
| Bridgeman, W. Clive | Hooper, A. G. | Shaw, Rt. Hon. T. (Hawick B.) |
| Brigg, John | Hope, W. Bateman(Somerset, N | Shipman, Dr. John G. |
| Bright, J. A. | Horniman, Emslie John | Simon, John Allsebrook |
| Brunner, J.F.L.(Lancs., Leigh) | Houston, Robert Paterson | Smeaton, Donald Mackenzie |
| Bull, Sir William James | Hunt, Rowland | Spicer, Albert |
| Burns, Rt. Hon. John | Idris, T. H. W. | Stanley, Hn. A. Lyulph(Chesh.) |
| Butcher, Samuel Henry | Isaacs, Rufus Daniel | Strauss, E. A. (Abingdon) |
| Campbell, J.H.M.(Dublin Univ. | Jackson, R. S. | Taylor, Theodore C. (Radcliffe) |
| Carson, Rt. Hon. Sir Edw. H. | Johnson, W. (Nuneaton) | Tennant, E. P. (Salisbury) |
| Castlereagh, Viscount | Jowett, F. W. | Thomson, W. Mitchell (Lanark) |
| Cecil, Lord John P. Joicey- | Kekewich, Sir George | Tomkinson, James |
| Cecil, Lord R. (Marylebone, E.) | Keswick, William | Torrance, A. M. |
| Cheetham, John Frederick | King, Alfred John (Knutsford) | Verney, F. W. |
| Clarke, C. Goddard (Peckham) | Laidlaw, Robert | Villiers, Ernest Amherst |
| Coates, E. Feetham (Lewisham) | Layland-Barratt, Francis | Wadsworth, J. |
| Corbett, A. Cameron (Glasgow) | Lever, A. Levy(Essex, Harwich | Waldron, Laurence Ambrose |
| Courthope, G. Loyd | Lever. W. H. (Cheshire, Wirral) | Walton, Joseph (Barnsley) |
| Cowan, W. H. | Levy, Maurice | Ward, W. Dudley(Southampton |
| Craig, Charles Curtis(Antrim, S. | Lynch, H. B. | Warner, Thomas Courtenay T. |
| Crosfield, A. H. | Macdonald, J. M.(FalkirkB'ghs | Waterlow, D. S. |
| Dalrymple, Viscount | Mackarness, Frederic C. | White, Luke (York, E.R.) |
| Davies, W. Howell (Bristol, S.) | Maclean, Donald | Whitley, J. H. (Halifax) |
| Dickinson, W. H.(St. Pancras, N | Macnamara, Dr. Thomas J. | Whittaker, Thomas Palmer |
| Douglas, Rt. Hon. A. Akers- | Macpherson, J. T. | Wiles, Thomas |
| Duckworth, James | M'Crae, George | Williams, Col. R. (Dorset, W.) |
| Du Cros, Harvey | M'Kenna, Reginald | Williamson, G. H. (Worcester) |
| Duncan, J. H. (York, Otley) | M'Laren, Sir C. B. (Leicester) | Wilson, John (Durham, Mid) |
| Duncan, Robert (Lanark Govan | M'Laren, H. D. (Stafford, W.) | Wilson, W. T. (Westhoughton) |
| Edwards, Enoch (Hanley) | M'Micking, Major G. | Wolff, Gustav Wilhelm |
| Edwards, Frank (Radnor) | Maddison, Frederick | Wortley, Rt. Hon. C. B. Stuart- |
| Emmott, Alfred | Magnus, Sir Philip | Younger, George |
| Essex, R. W. | Menzies, Walter | |
| Eve, Harry Trelawney | Micklem, Nathaniel | TELLERS FOR THE NOES.—Col- |
| Everett, R. Lacey | Molteno, Percy Alfred | onel Lockwood and Mr. |
| Fenwick, Charles | Moss, Samuel | Lane-Fox. |
| Ferens, T. R. | Nuttall, Harry |
Resolutions agreed to.
§ Question again proposed, "That the word 'now' stand part of the Question."