HC Deb 17 December 1906 vol 167 cc1010-2
SIR HOWARD VINCENT

I beg to ask the Secretary of State for War if, having regard to the official circular of Field-Marshal Earl Roberts when commanding-in-chief in South Africa, dated 5th February 1900, urging that the extended formation of modern war made it highly desirable that officers should wear some distinguishing mark on the back of the collar so as to be recognisable by their own generals and men, and to the fact that this view is supported by distinguished officers from active experience, the War Office direction of 30th November, 1906, that the flash allowed to the officers, warrant officers, and staff sergeants of the Royal Welsh Fusiliers on their service dress for distinguished services should be cut off, may be reconsidered, bearing in mind that the public is put to no expense in the matter, and in view of the interest of the Welsh people in this distinction.

MR. HALDANE

The "flash" peculiar to the Royal Welsh Fusiliers has never been allowed on the service dress. It is authorised for wear with the tunic only. As soon as this addition to the service dress of the officers, warrant officers, and staff sergeants was brought to notice, instructions were issued for its discontinuance. It is not proposed to reconsider these instructions, the main principle underlying the use of service dress being that it should be universal, and as plain and inconspicuous as possible. No distinctive mark on the back of the collar was adopted either during the Boer war, or when the present dress was approved while Lord Roberts was Commander-in-Chief. In no foreign army is such a distinctive mark worn on the back.

SIR HOWARD VINCENT

Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that in 1834 it was officially directed that this badge be worn, and in view of the feeling which prevails on this subject in the principality of Wales will he reconsider the matter.

MR. HALDANE

In the days of King William IV. there was no smokeless powder. War is carried on under very different conditions in modern days.

SIR HOWARD VINCENT

But the badge is to be worn behind the collar not in front.

MR. HALDANE

That is quite true. But it is extremely undesirable to establish any distinctions. We now seek to secure simplicity.

SIR HOWARD VINCENT

Do you intend then to take away the kilts from the Scottish regiments?

MR. HALDANE

I have heard nothing as to that.