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formally moved the Motion standing on the Order Paper in his name.

Motion made, and Question proposed, "That Committees do not sit To-morrow, being Ascension Day, until Two of the clock."—(Mr. Secretary Akers-Douglas.)


said it was well known that great inconvenience was caused not only to Members of this House but to those who were promoting Private Bills in Committee by delaying the meeting of Committees on Ascension Day from 11 or 11.30 a.m. till 2 p.m. Why should this Motion be made? The Prime Minister three or four years ago stated that the Government of that day did not insist upon its being passed, and the right hon. Gentleman gave sufficient reasons why the practice should be allowed to fall into desuetude. Every hour of Parliamentary time, especially in connection with the procedure of Private Bills, was precious. The cost to promoters of Private Bills was already large enough without adding another day's expenses to the charges. Hon. Members were sent there to do the business of the country; and he saw no reason why, year after year, this practice of delaying business for hours, for which there might have been some excuse in former times, should be continued. It was out of no disrespect to those hon. Members who wished to attend a religious service on Ascension Day that he moved "That the Committee sit to morrow at Twelve o'clock." There were

opportunities for those hon. Gentlemen to discharge their religious duty earlier in the morning. Moreover, it should be remembered that a large number of Members of this House and those interested in Private Bills were not influenced by these religious sentiments. He begged to move, "That the Committees meet tomorrow at Twelve o'clock, noon."


seconded the Amendment. He made a special appeal to the Prime Minister, or the right hon. Gentleman who represented him, to see whether an arrangement could not be made with the Chaplain, of the House to hold an early service for the benefit of those members, if there were any such, who wished to attend service on Ascension Day.

Amendment proposed— To leave out the word 'two,' and insert the word 'twelve' (Sir John Leng) instead there of.

Question put, "That the word 'two' stand part of the Question."

The House divided:—Ayes, 199; Noes, 135. (Division List No. 189.)

Abraham, William (Cork, N. E.) Carson, Rt. Hon. Sir Edw. H. Flower, Sir Ernest
Acland-Hood, Capt. Sir Alex. F. Cavendish, R. F. (N. Lancs.) Forster, Henry William
Agg-Gardner, James Tynte Cavendish, V. C. W. (Derbyshire Galloway, William Johnson
Agnew, Sir Andrew Noel Cayzer, Sir Charles William Gardner, Ernest
Allsopp, Hon. George Cecil, Lord Hugh (Greenwich) Gilhooly, James
Anson, Sir William Reynell Clive, Captain Percy A. Godson, Sir Augustus Frederick
Arrol, Sir William Coghill, Douglas Harry Gordon, Maj Evans(T'rH'mlets
Atkinson, Rt. Hon. John Colomb, Rt. Hon. Sir John C. R Gore, Hon. S. F. Ormsby-
Aubrey-Fletcher, Rt Hon. Sir H. Colston, Chas. Edw. H. Athole Gorst, Rt. Hon. Sir John Eldon
Bain, Colonel James Robert Cripps, Charles Alfred Graham, Henry Robert
Baird, John George Alexander Cross, Herb. Shepherd (Bolton) Green, Walford D. (Wednesbury
Balcarres, Lord Cubitt, Hon. Henry Greene, W. Raymond (Cambs.)
Balfour, Capt. C. B. (Hornsey) Dalkeith, Earl of Grenfell, William Henry
Balfour, Rt Hn. Gerald W. (Leeds Dalrymple, Sir Charles Gretton, John
Banbury, Sir Frederick George Davenport, William Bromley Gunter, Sir Robert
Banner, John S. Harmood- Denny, Colonel Halsey, Rt. Hon. Thomas F.
Barry, E. (Cork, S.) Dillon, John Hamilton, Marq. of (L'nd'nderry
Bartley, Sir George C. T. Disraeli, Coningsby Ralph Hammond, John
Bill, Charles Doogan, P. C. Hardy, Laurence (Kent, Ashford
Bingham, Lord Douglas, Rt. Hon. A. Akers- Hare, Thomas Leigh
Blundell, Colonel Henry Doxford, Sir William Theodore Haslam, Sir Alfred S.
Boland, John Duke, Henry Edward Hayden, John Patrick
Bond, Edward Esmonde, Sir Thomas Heaton, John Henniker
Boscawen, Arthur Griffith- Fellowes, Rt. Hn Ailwyn Edward Holder, Augustus
Bowles, T. Gibson (King's Lynn Fergusson, Rt. Hn. Sir J. (Manc'r Hoare, Sir Samuel
Brodrick, Rt. Hon. St. John Finch, Rt. Hon. George H. Hope, J. F. (Sheffield, Brightside
Brotherton, Edward Allen Fisher, William Hayes Houldsworth, Sir Wm. Henry
Brymer, William Ernest Fitzgerald, Sir Robert Penrose Hoult, Joseph
Bull, William James Flannery, Sir Fortescue Howard, J. (Midd., Tottenham
Campbell, John (Armagh, S.) Flavin, Michael Joseph Hudson, George Bickersteth
Hunt, Rowland Milvain, Thomas Ritchie, Rt Hon. Chas. Thomson
Hutton, John (Yorks, N. R.) Mitchell, William (Burnley) Robertson, Herbert (Hackney
Jebb, Sir Richard Claverhouse Montagn, G. (Huntingdon) Roche, John
Jeffreys, Rt. Hon. ArthurFred. Moon, Edward Robet Paey Ropner, Colonel Sir Robert
Joyce, Michael Morgan, David J (Walthamstow Round, Rt. Hon. James
Kennedy, Vincent P. (Cavan, W) Morrison, James Archibald Rutherford, John (Lancashire)
Kenyon, Hn. Geo. T. (Denbigh) Morton, Arthur H. Aylmer Sackville, Col. S. G. Stopford
Kenyon-Slaney, Rt. Hn. Col. W. Muntz, Sir Philip A. Sadler, Col. Samuel Alexander
Kilbride, Denis Murphy, John Samuel, Sir Harry S. (Limehouse
Knowles, Sir Lees Murray, Charles J. (Coventry) Seton-Karr, Sir Henry
Law, Andrew Bonar (Glasgow) Myers, William Henry Sheeban, Daniel Daniel
Law, Hugh. Alex. (Donegal, W.) Nolan, Joseph (Louth, South) Skewes-Cox, Thomas
Lawson, Hn. H L. W. (Mile End) O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny) Spear, John ward
Lawson, John Grant (Yorks, N. R O'Connor, John (Kildare, N.) Stanley, Hon Arthur (Ormskirk
Lee, Arthur H (Hants., Fareham O'Dowd, John Stanley, Edward Jas. (Somerset
Legge, Col. Hon. Heneage O'Malley, William Stewart, Sir Mark J. M 'Taggart
Leveson-Gower, Frederick, N. S. O'Mara, James Stroyan, John
Llewellyn, Evan Henry O'Shaughnessy, P. J. Strutt, Hon. Charles Hedley
Long, Rt. Hn. Walter (Bristol, S) Palmer, Sir Walter (Salisbury) Sullivan, Donal
Loyd, Archie Kirkman Parker, Sir Gilbert Thornton, Percy M.
Lucas, Col. Francis (Lowestoft) Parkes, Ebenezer Tomlinson, Sir Wm. Edw. M.
Lundon, W. Pease, Herbert Pike (Darlington Tuff, Charles
Macdona, John Cumming Percy, Earl Valentia, Viscount
MacIver, David (Liverpool) Pitkington, Colonel Richard Walrond, Rt Hn. Sir William H.
MacNeill, John Gordon Swift Platt-Higgins, Frederick Wason, John Cathcart (Orkney)
Maconochie, A. W. Plummer, Sir Walter R. Welby, Lt.-Col. A C. E. (Taunton
MacVeagh, Jeremiah Power, Patrick Joseph Williams, Colonel R. (Dorset)
M'Hugh, Patrick A. Pretyman, Ernest George Willoughby de Eresby, Lord
M'Iver, Sir Lewis (Edinburgh W Pryce-Jones, Lt.-Col. Edward Wilson-Todd, Sir W. H. (Yorks.)
M'Killop, James (Stirlingshire) Purvis, Robert Wortley, Rt. Hon. C. B. Stuart
Majcndie, James A. H. Pym, C. Guy Wrightson, Sir Thomas
Malcolm, Ian Rankin, Sir James Young, Samuel
Manners, Lord Cecil Ratcliff, R. F.
Marks, Harry Hananel Reddy, M. TELLERS FOR THE AYES—Sir
Maxwell, Rt. Hn. Sir. H. E(Wigt'n Redmond, John E. (Waterford John Kennaway and Mr.
Maxwell, W J. H. (Dumfriesshire Reid, James (Greenock) Mount.
Middlemore, John Throgmorton Renwick, George
Mildmay, Francis Bingham Ridley, S. Forde
Abraham, William (Rhondda Davies, M. Vaughan (Cardigan Jacoby, James Alfred
Ainsworth, John Stirling Delany, William Johnson, John
Allen, Charles P. Dewar, John A. (Inverness-sh. Jones, David Brynmor(Swansca
Allhusen, Augustus Henry Eden Dilke, Rt. Hon. Sir Charles Jones, William (Carnarvonshire
Ashton, Thomas Gair Douglas, Charles M. (Lanark) Kitson, Sir James
Atherley-Jones, L. Duncan, J. Hastings. Labouchere, Henry
Barlow, John Emmott Dunn, Sir William Lambert, George
Benn, John Williams Edwards, Frank Lamont, Norman
Blake, Edward Elibank, Master of Langley, Batty
Brand, Hon. Arthur G. Ellice, Capt EC. (S. Andrw'sBghs Lawson, Sir Wilfrid (Cornwall)
Brigg, John Elliot, Hon. A. Ralph Douglas Layland-Barratt, Francis
Bright, Allan Heywood Emmott, Alfred Leese, Sir Joseph F. (Accrington
Brown, George M. (Edinburgh) Fenwick, Charles Leigh, Sir Joseph
Bryce, Rt. Hon. James Ferguson, R. C. Munro (Leith) Lough, Thomas
Buchanan, Thomas Ryburn Findlay Alexander (Lanark, NE Lyell, Charles Henry
Burke, E. Haviland Flynn, James Christopher M'Crae, George
Burns, John Goddard, Daniel Ford M'Kenna, Reginald
Burt, Thomas Gordon, Hn. J E. (Elgin & Nairn) Mansfield. Horace Rendall
Caldwell, James Gordon, J. (Londonderry, S.) Meysey, Thompson, Sir H. M.
Cameron, Robert Grey, Rt Hon. Sir E. (Berwick) Mooney, John J.
Causton, Richard Knight Hain, Edward Nannetti, Joseph P.
Cawley, Frederick Hardie, J. Keir (Merthyr Tydvil) Norton, Capt. Cecil William
Channing, Francis Allston Hayter, Rt. Hon. Sir Arthur D. Nussey, Thomas Willans
Cheetham, John Frederick Helme, Norval Waston O'Brien, Kendal (Tipperary Mid
Clancy, John Joseph Hemphill, Rt. Hon. Charles H. O'Connor, James (Wicklow, W.)
Corbett, T. L. (Down, North) Henderson, Arthur (Durham) Partington, Oswald
Craig, Robert Hunter (Lanark) Higham, John Sharp Pease, J. A. (Saffron Walden)
Crombie, John William Hobhouse, C E. H. (Bristol, E.) Pemberton, John S. G.
Crooks, William Holland, Sir William Henry Pirie, Duncan V.
Cross, Alexander (Glasgow) Horniman, Frederick John Rea, Russell
Dalziel, James Henry Hutchinson, Dr. Charles Fredk. Reid, Sir R. Threshie (Dumfries
Renshaw, Sir Charles Bine Smith, Rt Hn J Parker (Lanarks Wallace, Robert
Richards, Thomas (W. Monm'th) Smith, Samuel (Flint) Walton, Joseph (Barnsley)
Roberts, John Bryn (Eition) Soames, Arthur Wellesley Wason, Eugene (Clackmannan)
Roberts, John H. (Denbighs.) Spencer, Rt Hn. C. R. (Northants Whiteley, George (York, W. R.)
Robertson, Edmund (Dundee) Stanhope, Hon. Philip James Williams, Osmond (Merioneth
Robson, William Snowdon Taylor, Austin (East Toxteth) Wills, Arthur Walters (N. Dorset
Roe, Sir Thomas Taylor, Theodore C. (Radeliffe) Wilson, John (Durham, Mid.)
Rollit, Sir Albert Kaye Tennant, Harold John Wilson, John (Falkirk)
Royds, Clement Molyneux Thomas, J A (Glamorgan, Gower Wilson, J. W. (Worcestersh. N.)
Runciman, Walter Thomson, F. W. (York, W. R.) Yoxall, James Henry
Russell, T. W. Thorburn, Sir Walter
Sohwann, Charles E. Tollemache, Henry James TELLER FOR THE NOES—Sir
Shackleton, David James Tomkinson, James John Leng and Sir Brampton Gurdon.
Shipman, Dr. John G. Toulmin, George
Sinclair, John (Forfarshire) Trevelyan, Charles Philips
Sloan, Thomas Henry Villiers, Ernest Amherst

Main Question put, and agreed to.

Ordered, that Committees do not sit To-morrow, being Ascension Day, until Two of the Clock.