HC Deb 25 May 1905 vol 146 cc1403-4
MR. CHARLES DEVLIN

I beg to ask the Chief Secretary to the Lord-Lieutenant of Ireland if he will state the names of the constables who threw Mr. Thomas Higgins, J.P., over a stone wall at Carrowkeel, on April 30th last.

MR. WALTER LONG

I informed the hon. Member on Monday ‡ that Mr. Higgins was not thrown over a wall, but that he was merely pushed on by a constable. The name of this particular constable is not known; there were a considerable number of constables present, and several persons were moved on.

MR. CHARLES DEVLIN

On my responsibility as a Member of this House, I affirm that Mr. Higgins was violently thrown over the wall; and that the information supplied to the right hon. Gentleman is incorrect. I saw the act.

MR. DELANY (Queen's County, Ossory)

Do you know that Mr. Higgins' life would have been lost unless someone was at the other side of the wall to catch him?

MR. CHARLES DEVLIN

I saw this, and it was a brutal exhibition.

CAPTAIN DONELAN

Will the right hon. Gentleman take steps to supply accurate information?

MR. WALTER LONG

I have no reason to suppose that my information is inaccurate.

MR. CHARLES DEVLIN

I hold to my statement that the information is inaccurate.

MR. JOHN REDMOND (Waterford)

After my hon. friend says he was present † See Debates, cxxxvii, 170 ‡ See page 969. and saw the incident, the right hon. Gentleman rises and states he still holds that his information is correct. I wish to ask whether that is in order?

MR. WILLIAM MOORE (Antrim, N.)

Can this House try the issue?

MR. JOHN REDMOND

It is a question of the veracity of a Member.

MR. WILLIAM MOORE

That is an issue. [A NATIONALIST MEMBER: You are not at the Old Bailey.]

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER

This is the time for asking Questions, and not for making statements and contradicting them. The matter can be raised and thrashed out at a later stage.

MR. JOHN REDMOND

This is a question of impugning the personal testimony of a Member who says he saw the incident as he was present at the transaction.

MR. CHARLES DEVLIN

said unless he could raise the matter at the end of Questions he could not raise it at all, because a "blocking" notice prevented it being discussed.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER

The matter cannot be raised as one of privilege, but it may be discussed in Supply.

MR. CHARLES DEVLIN

thought that, as the Chief Secretary impugned his veracity, he should be allowed to state exactly what occurred.

MR. T. L. CORBETT (Down, N.) rose to a point of order.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER

The question cannot be discussed now.

MR. CHARLES DEVLIN

I adhere to my statement, which is correct.