§ Read a second time, and committed.
§ MR WOOD (Down, E.)moved—That it be an Instruction to the Com 338 mittee to insert a clause for the protection of James M. Thomson or other the owner for the time being of the property known as Martello, providing that nothing in the Act shall empower the council to interfere with any right of access from the said property to the seashore, and further providing that nothing in the Act shall authorise the 339 council to erect any buildings on the slopes within a distance of fifty yards from any part of the said property, and that the said portion of the slopes shall not be used for any purposes other than a permanent garden or esplanade." Mr. Thomson appeared before the Committee, but unfortunately he was not represented by counsel. He did not know of any reasonable objection to the adoption of this instruction, which could do the promoters of the Bill no harm, and there were already in the Bill special provisions in regard to other property.
§ MR. SWIFT MACNEILL (Donegal, S.)Speak up; we cannot hear a word you are saying.
§ MR. WOODsaid that when Mr. Thomson built his property he had the assurance of the ground landlord that the slopes would be left open and that no buildings would be erected upon them, and in view of that promise Mr. Thomson erected his buildings. Now it was proposed under this Bill to abolish all those safeguards, and the council of Bangor would be permitted by this Bill to erect any building upon these slopes to the prejudice of Mr. Thomson's property. He begged to move the instruction standing in his name.
Motion made, and Question proposed, "That it be an Instruction to the Committee to insert a clause for the protection of James M. Thomson or other the owner for the time being of the property known as Martello, providing that nothing in the Act shall empower the council to interfere with any right of access from the said property to the seashore, and further providing that nothing in the Act shall authorise the council to erect any buildings on the slopes within a distance of fifty yards from any part of the said property, and that the said portion of the slopes shall not be used for any purposes other than a permanent garden or esplanade."—(Mr, Wood.)
§ MR. T. L. CORBETT (Down, N.)thought it would have been better if upon one of the rare appearances of the hon. Member for East Down he had devoted his time and ability to a more worthy cause than opposing a Bill which had 340 been unanimously approved of by the Bangor District Urban Council.
§ MR. T. L. CORBETTsaid it had been approved of by the urban council after an election which had taken place upon this very issue.
§ MR. T. L. CORBETTsaid Bangor happened to be in his own constituency, and he happened to know a little more about it than the hon. Member. He repeated, without fear of contradiction, except from the hon. Member opposite, that this Bill was unanimously approved of by the Urban District Council of Bangor after an election which took place upon the very issues involved in this Bill. This was an omnibus Bill dealing with the water and gas supply, road widening, and the provision of a recreation ground in the prosperous and growing town of Bangor. It seemed to him absolutely absurd that the House should be asked to discuss one small item like this instruction, and he should be merely wasting the time of the House if he attempted to deal with it. This particular case had already been considered by a Committee of the House of Lords, and had the hon. Member wished he could have brought it before the Committee of the House of Commons by petition. He was sure that the House would agree with him in saying that for them to discuss a minute detail of this kind would be a pure waste of time.
§ MR. T. W. RUSSELL (Tyrone, S.)said that at the risk of being charged with wasting the time of the House he would venture to say a few words, upon this point. He hoped it would be noted that they had allowed the Bill to pass its Second Reading without a division. The real question was that a constituent of the hon. Member for East Down thought that part of this Bill would injure him, and as he was not a wealthy man he had not been able to have his case presented by counsel. He appeared before the Committee of the House of Lords, and they were so impressed by his case that they put 341 in a clause to protect his interests, but his contention was that this clause did not protect his interests, and the hon. Member opposite wished that the case which was admitted by the Lords should go to the Committee of the House of Commons with the direction that this man's interests should be seen to. Why should the hon. Member for North Down object to that? This man's property might be ruined by something which this urban council might do. Was it to be left to him now to protect the rights of the landlords? The House of Lords had admitted the justice of this man's claim, and he desired to come before the Committee of the House of Commons. Consequently the hon. Member for East Down thought an instruction
§ should be passed to this effect. Although this was only the case of an individual he could assure the hon. Member for North Down that great constitutional questions had been fought over the rights of a single individual.
THE CHAIRMAN OF COMMITTEES (Mr. GRANT LAWSON,) Yorkshire, N. R. Thirskexpressed the view that the matter had better be left entirely to the Committee which dealt with the Bill.
§ Question put.
§ The House divided:—Ayes, 125; Noes, 223. (Division List No. 216.)
345| AYES. | ||
| Abraham, William (Cork, N. E.) | Guest, Hon. Ivor Churchill | O'Donnell, T. (Kerry, W.) |
| Ainsworth, John Stirling | Gurdon, Sir W. Brampton | O'Dowd, John |
| Atherley-Jones, L. | Haldane, Rt. Hon. Richard B. | O'Kelly, Conor (Mayo, N.) |
| Barry, E. (Cork, S.) | Hammond, John | O'Kelly, James(Roscommon, N |
| Boland, John | Hardie, J. Keir(Merthyr Tydvil | O'Malley, William |
| Bolton, Thomas Dolling | Harmsworth, R. Leicester | O'Mara, James |
| Brigg, John | Harrington, Timothy | O'Shaughnessy, P. J. |
| Broadhurst, Henry | Hayden, John Patrick | Partington, Oswald |
| Burns, John | Hemphill, Rt. Hon. Charles H. | Pease, J. A. (Saffron Walden) |
| Buxton, NE(York, NR, Whitby) | Henderson, Arthur (Durham) | Power, Patrick Joseph |
| Caldwell, James | Hope, John Deans (Fife, West) | Priestley, Arthur |
| Campbell, John (Armagh, S.) | Hutton, Alfred E. (Morley) | Reddy, M. |
| Channing, Francis Allston | Jones, Leif (Appleby) | Redmond, John E. (Waterford) |
| Cheetham, John Frederick | Jordan, Jeremiah | Richards, Thomas |
| Churchill, Winston Spencer | Joyce, Micheal | Rickett, J. Compton |
| Cogan, Denis J. | Kennedy, P. J. (Westmeath, N. | Roberts, John H. (Denbighs.) |
| Condon, Thomas Joseph | Kennedy, Vincent P. (Cavan, W | Roche, John |
| Crean, Eugene | Kilbride, Denis | Rose, Charles Day |
| Cramer, William Randal | Langley, Batty | Seely, Maj. J. EB. (Isle of Wight |
| Cullinan, J. | Lawson, Sir Wilfrid (Cornwall) | Sheehan, Daniel Daniel |
| Dalziel, James Henry | Leigh, Sir Joseph | Sheehy, David |
| Delany, William | Levy, Maurice | Shipman, Dr. John G. |
| Devlin, Chas. Ramsay (Galway | Lewis, John Herbert | Slack, John Bamford |
| Devlin, Joseph (Kilkenny, N.) | Lough, Thomas | Sullivan, Donal |
| Dobbie, Joseph | Lundon, W. | Taylor, Theodore C. (Radcliffe) |
| Donelan, Captain A. | MacNeill, John Gordon Swift | Tennant, Harold John |
| Doogan, P. C. | MacVeagh, Jeremiah | Thomson, F. W. (York, W. R.) |
| Douglas, Charles M. (Lanark) | M'Kean, John | Trevelyan, Charles Philips |
| Duncan, J. Hastings | M'Kenna, Reginald | Ure, Alexander |
| Edwards, Frank | M'Killop, W. (Sligo, North) | Villiers, Ernest Amherst |
| Ellice, CaptEC(S. Andrw's Bghs | Mansfield, Horace Rendall | Warner, Thomas Courtenay T. |
| Evans. Sir Francis H (Maidstone | Mitchell, Edw. (Fermanagh, N.) | Wason, Eugene (Clackmannan) |
| Eve, Harry Trelawney | Murphy, John | White, George (Norfolk) |
| Farrell, James Patrick | Nannetti, Joseph P. | White, Luke (York, E. R.) |
| Fenwick, Charles | Nolan, Joseph (Louth, South) | White, Patrick (Meath, North) |
| Ffrench, Peter | Nussey, Thomas Willans | Whiteley, George (York, W. R.) |
| Field, William | O'Brien, Kendal(Tipperary Mid | Wilson, Henry J. (York, W. R.) |
| Findlay, Alexander(Lanark, NE | O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny) | Wilson, John (Durham. Mid.) |
| Flavin, Michael Joseph | O'Brien, P. J. (Tipperary, N.) | Young, Samuel |
| Foster, Sir Michael(Lond. Univ. | O'Connor, James (Wicklow, W. | |
| Furness, Sir Christopher | O'Connor, John (Kildare, N.) | TELLERS FOR THE AYES—Mr. Wood and Mr. T. W. Russell |
| Gilhooly, James | O'Connor, T. P. (Liverpool) | |
| Goddard, Daniel Ford | O'Donnell, John (Mayo, S.) | |
| NOES. | ||
| Acland-Hood, Capt. Sir Alex. F. | Gardner, Ernest | Moon, Edward Robert Pacy |
| Agg-Gardner, James Tynte | Gibbs, Hon. A. G. H. | Morgan, DavidJ. (Walthamstow |
| Agnew, Sir Andrew Noel | Godson. Sir Augustus Frederick | Morgan, J. Lloyd (Carmarthen) |
| Allen, Charles P. | Gordon, Hn. J. E. (Elgin & Nairn) | Morpeth, Viscount |
| Allhusen, Augustus Henry Eden | Gordon, J. (Londonderry, S.) | Morrell, George Herbert |
| Arkwright, John Stanhope | Graham, Henry Robert | Morton, Arthur H. Aylmer |
| Arnold-Forster, RtHn. HughO. | Gray, Ernest (West Ham) | Mount, William Arthur |
| Arrol, Sir William | Green, WalfordD. (Wednesbury | Mowbray, Sir Robert Gray C. |
| Ashton, Thomas Gair | Greene, W. Raymond (Cambs.) | Muntz, Sir Philip A. |
| Asquith, Rt. Hn. Herbert Henry | Grenfell, William Henry | Murray, Charles J. (Coventry) |
| Atkinson, Rt. Hon. John | Guthrie, Walter Murray | Murray, Col. Wyndham (Bath) |
| Aubrey-Fletcher, Rt. Hn. Sir H. | Hamilton, RtHnLordG. (Midd'x | Nicholson, William Graham |
| Bailey, James (Walworth) | Hamilton, Marq. of(L'nd'nderry | O'Neill, Hon. Robert Torrens |
| Bain, Colonel James Robert | Hardy, Laurence(Kent, Ashford | Parker, Sir Gilbert |
| Baird, John George Alexander | Hare, Thomas Leigh | Peel, Hn. Wm. Robert Wollesley |
| Balcarres, Lord | Harwood, George | Pemberton, John S. G. |
| Balfour, Capt. C. B. (Hornsey) | Hay, Hon. Claude George | Percy, Earl |
| Balfour, RtHnGeraldW. (Leeds | Heath, Arthur Howard(Hanley | Perks, Robert William |
| Balfour, Kenneth R. (Christch. | Heath, Sir James(Staffords. NW | Philipps, Jolm Wynford |
| Banbury, Sir Frederick George | Helder, Augustus | Platt-Higgins, Frederick |
| Banner, John S. Harmood- | Helme, Norval Watson | Plummer, Sir Walter R. |
| Benn, John Williams | Henderson, Sir A. (Stafford, W.) | Pretyman, Ernest George |
| Bentinck, Lord Henry C. | Hermon-Hodge, Sir Robert T. | Pryce-Jones, Lt.-Col. Edward |
| Bignold, Sir Arthur | Hickman, Sir Alfred | Purvis, Robert |
| Bigwood, James | Hogg, Lindsay | Rankin, Sir James |
| Bill, Charles | Hope, J. F. (Sheffield, Brightside | Rasch, Sir Frederick Carne |
| Bingham, Lord | Howard, John(Kent, Faversham | Reid, James (Greenock) |
| Black, Alexander William | Hudson, George Bickersteth | Remnant, James Farquharson |
| Blundell, Colonel Henry | Hunt, Rowland | Renshaw, Sir Charles Bine |
| Bond, Edward | Hutchinson, Dr. Charles Fredk. | Ridley, S. Forde |
| Bright, Allan Heywood | Jebb, Sir Richard Claverhouse | Roberts, Samuel (Sheffield) |
| Brodrick, Rt. Hon. St. John | Jeffreys, Rt. Hn. Arthur Fred. | Robertson, Herbert (Hackney) |
| Bryce, Rt. Hon. James | Kennaway, Rt. Hn. Sir JohnH. | Robson, William Snowdon |
| Brymer, William Ernest | Kenyon-Slaney, Rt. Hn. Col. W. | Rolleston, Sir John F. L. |
| Buchanan, Thomas Ryburn | Keswick, William | Ropner, Colonel Sir Robert |
| Bull, William James | Lamont, Norman | Round, Rt. Hon. James |
| Buxton, Sydney Charles(Poplar | Laurie, Lieut.-General | Royds, Clement Molyneux |
| Campbell, J. H. M. (DublinUniv. | Law, Andrew Bonar (Glasgow) | Runciman, Walter |
| Carson, Rt Hon. Sir Edw. H. | Law, Hugh Alex. (Donegal, W.) | Rutherford, John (Lancashire) |
| Causton, Richard Knight | Lawrence, Sir Joseph(Monm'th) | Rutherford, W. W. (Liverpool) |
| Cautley, Henry Strother | Lawson, Hn. HL. W. (Mile End) | Sackville, Col. S. G. Stopford |
| Cavendish, V. C. W. (Derbyshire | Lawson, John Grant(Yorks. N. R | Sadler, Col. Samuel Alexander |
| Cawley, Frederick | Layland-Barratt, Francis | Samuel, Herbert L. (Cleveland) |
| Chamberlain, RtHn. J. A. (Worc. | Lee, ArthurH. (Hants, Fareham | Sandys, Lieut.-Col. Thos. Myles |
| Chapman, Edward | Legge, Col. Hon. Heneage | Sharpe, William Edward T. |
| Clive, Captain Percy A. | Leveson-Gower, Frederick N. S. | Sinclair, Louis (Romford) |
| Coates, Edward Feetham | Long. Col. Charles W. (Evesham | Skewes-Cox, Thomas |
| Cochrane, Hon. Thos. H. A. E. | Long. Rt. Hn. Walter(Bristol, S) | Smith, H. C(North'mb. Tyneside |
| Coghill, Douglas Harry | Lowe, Francis William | Smith, Samuel (Flint) |
| Compton, Lord Alwyne | Loyd, Archie Kirkman | Smith, Hon. W. F. D. (Strand) |
| Corbett, A. Cameron (Glasgow) | Lucas, Col. Francis (Lowestoft) | Soares, Ernest J. |
| Crombie, John William | Macdona, John Cumming | Spear, John Ward |
| Cross, Alexander (Glasgow) | MacIver, David (Liverpool) | Spencer, Rt, Hn. C. R. (Northants |
| Cross, Herb. Shepherd (Bolton) | M'Arthur, Charles (Liverpool) | Stanley, Rt. Hn. Lord (Lancs.) |
| Davenport, William Bromley | M'Calmont, Colonel James | Stewart, Sir Mark J. M'Taggart |
| Denny, Colonel | M'Crae, George | Stock, James Henry |
| Dickson, Charles Scott | M'lver, Sir Lewis(Edinburgh, W | Talbot, Lord E. (Chichester) |
| Dimsdale, Rt. Hn. Sir Joseph C. | M'Killop, James (Stirlingshire) | Taylor, Austin (East Toxteth) |
| Doughty, Sir George | Malcolm, Ian | Thomas, David Alfred(Merthyr) |
| Douglas, Rt. Hon. A. Akers- | Manners, Lord Cecil | Thornton, Percy M. |
| Doxford, Sir William Theodore | Markham, Arthur Basil | Tollemache, Henry James |
| Dyke, Rt. Hn. Sir WilliamHart | Marks, Harry Hananel | Tomkinson, James |
| Emmott, Alfred | Martin, Richard Biddulph | Tomlinson, Sir Wm. Edw. M. |
| Fellowes RtHn. Ailwyn Edward | Maxwell, RtHnSir H. E. (Wigt'n | Tritton, Charles Ernest |
| Finch, Rt. Hon. George H. | Maxwell, W. J. H (Dumfriesshire | Tuff, Charles |
| Finlay, Sir R. B. (Inv'rn'ssB'ghs | Middlemore, John Throgmorton | Turnour, Viscount |
| Fitzmaurice, Lord Edmond | Milner, Rt. Hn. Sir Frederick G. | Valentia, Viscount |
| Forster, Henry William | Milvain, Thomas | Vincent, Sir Edgar (Exeter) |
| Fuller, J. M. F. | Molesworth, Sir Lewis | Walrond, Rt. Hn. Sir William H. |
| Galloway, William Johnson | Montagu, Hn. J. Scott (Hants.) | Welby Lt.-Col. A. C. E. (Taunton |
| Whiteley, H. (Ashton und. Lyne | Wilson, J. W. (Worcestersh. N.) | Younger, William |
| Whitley, J. H. (Halifax) | Wodehouse, Rt. Hn. E. R. (Bath) | |
| Whittaker, Thomas Palmer | Wolff, Gustav Wilhelm | TELLERS FOR THE NOES—Mr. Thomas Corbett and Mr. Sloan |
| Williams, Colonel R. (Dorset | Wrightson, Sir Thomas | |
| Wilson, A. Stanley (York, E. R.) | Wylie, Alexander | |
| Wilson, John (Falkirk) | Wyndham-Quin, Col. W. H. |