HC Deb 11 July 1905 vol 149 cc333-76

Considered in Committee.

(In the Committee.)

[Mr. GRANT LAWSON (Yorkshire, K.R., Thirsk) in the Chair.]

Clause 8:—

Amendment again proposed— In page 6, line 15, to leave out the word 'steerage.'"—(Mr. Fuller.)

Question again proposed, "That the word 'steerage' stand part of the clause."


said that as there were other important Amendments which they were desirous of discussing lie would not occupy the attention of the Committee further on this Amendment.


said his right hon. friend seemed to think that "steerage passenger" was a term which could be easily defined by anybody; that it was a colloquical expression well known to the Jaw, and that the more introduction of it into an Act of Parliament was quite sufficient to define a particular class of passengers. The term "steerage passenger" had never been defined for reasons which would at once be seen by the Committee when they remembered the different classes of boats in use and the different regulations under which they carried passengers, regulations so varied that what might be called a cabin passenger on one line might be a steerage passenger on another. The definition of a "steerage passenger" in the Merchant Shipping Act did not help them, because that definition only applied to long voyages and not to the short journeys taken by these aliens. For instance, a steerage passenger, according to the Merchant Shipping Act, had to have thirty-six superficial feet of space allotted to him. These aliens considered themselves well off when they had six feet alloted to them. Then a steerage passenger, according to the Merchant Shipping Act, had to be messed at the same table with the master or the first officer of the ship. That again must certainly apply to long voyages, because on these short voyages there was no messing at all. It was therefore perfectly clear that for the purposes of this Bill the definition of "steerage passenger" could not be taken from the Merchant Shipping Act, and it was therefore essential that the words "steerage passenger" should be defined in this Act.

If the definition of a steerage passenger was that assumed by the senior Member for Oldham as a person who paid a steerage fare, and who could not afford to pay for a cabin passage, then he would agree that this Bill failed. He would agree that if the mere fact of paying a few extra shillings took these persons out of the category of steerage passengers, this Bill was not a sufficient protection to the people of these islands who wished to be protected from these aliens. There was, therefore, a more direct reference as to what should be a steerage passenger in this Bill. There was a discretion in the Secretary of State for home affairs, and it was quite right and quite proper that there should be that discretion; and that the Home Secretary should be able to say what persons should be, and what persons should not be, considered cabin passengers, the object being to define steerage passengers. The object of this Amendment really was to make this inspection absolutely universal, and to ensure that every foreigner should be examined, whether they came into this country as steerage passengers or first-class passengers. That was not a thing to which he and those who thought with him agreed, for the simple reasons that first of all, in their opinion, it was wholly unnecessary, and, secondly, it would, as they contended, restrict our intercourse with the Continent.


said he should like to say just two words to show the difference between the way in which aliens were treated in this Bill and the treatment meted out to them in America. He recently crossed from Canada into the United States, and while he was on the car as they creased the border, an official came into the car and said "Sir you are an alien," to which he replied, "I daresay I am." The official then took his name and address, and that of his wife and his servants, and, in fact, made a list of the whole party, after which he turned round and said, "Sir, you do not seem to resent being called an alien," to which he, Sir George, replied, "No, I should resent it if I were not here." Such an experience showed that they did take a list in America, and, therefore, it did not seem to him to be unreasonable that there should be a limitation in this Bill. It showed that we were rather behind other countries in this matter. It seemed to him that the provision they were now discussing was of great importance to this country, and he could not see why there should be all this objection to seeing that those who came to this country should be persons of good character.

*MR. FORDERIDLEY (Bethnal Green, S.W.)

said that they had listened to some remarkable speeches- since the dinner hour, and for once he regretted to say he found himself differing from his hon. friend the Member for Hackney. It seemed to him that they were not debating the question before the House. They were debating the definition of a word which was different altogether to that to which the Amendment on the Paper referred. The word to which the Amendment referred was not steerage" but "immigrant." The Bill said that the immigrant under this Act should mean a steerage passenger. It was not the definition of a steerage passenger which was required, that was already defined by the Merchant Shipping Act of 1894, but for the purposes of this Bill they had to make a new definition because they were dealing with an entirely new expression. That was to say, they had to deal with the word "immigrant" in law. They had to define what they meant by "immigrant," and he found himself entirely in accord with the hon. Member for Wiltshire and his hon. friend who also had an Amendment to the same effect upon the Paper. It was a very great pity that they had to insert the word "steerage" at all.

It had already been pointed out on former occasions that if this Bill was to be workable in an economic sense it must not put this country to a huge and unnecessary expenditure—to a higher expenditure than was necessary, and, therefore, the idea was to confine the operations of the Act to those particular ports at which the immigrants arrived in bulk. They knew that at present there were only eight or nine ports at which immigrants arrived in this country, and if they were going to leave out the word "steerage" and were going to examine every immigrant who came to this country they would have to go to very much greater expense and set up an immigration board at every port at which an alien might arrive. He believed that when in operation the Act would not be expensive and that the burden upon the taxpayers would not be nearly so great as many hon. Members anticipated. But if the word "steerage" was removed from the clause it would be at once necessary to set up machinery at every port at which immigrants arrived, and to examine cabin passengers as well as steerage passengers, with the result that instead of the Act throwing only a very moderate tax upon the community the expense would be much greater than it need or was expected to be. Considerable time had been spent in advocating a "pious opinion" which really would cot work unless the country were prepared to pay a price which wag altogether unnecessary and would not in any way help in the exclusion of undesirable aliens from our shores. He was sure that all would agree in leaving out the word "steerage" if it were possible, but seeing that the immigrant trade was restricted to a very limited number of ports, and that it was undesirable to put the country to unnecessary expense, he submitted that it was essential that the word should remain in the clause. He hoped, therefore, that the Home Secretary would not accept the Amendment.

MR. SEELY (Lincoln)

suggested that it would be much better to take the ordinary definition of "immigrant" as given in the dictionary—viz., an alien who came for the purpose of permanent residence in a country. That would avoid all the objections which had been urged against, the proposal in the Bill. The term "steerage passenger" was understood to mean a poor man, and grave objection was taken to applying a series of regulations with reference to being guilty of crimes and so forth to poor men and not to rich. He hoped the Home Secretary would carefully consider that point.


pointed out that it was very difficult to know how many aliens came here to reside and how many were simply transmigrants, and he was afraid he must adhere to the definition in the Bill. He thought they were more likely by that means to keep out the really undesirable. Then it had been urged that the effect of the Bill would be to keep out poor men, while rich men would be able to come in even though they were undesirable. It was impossible to prevent the infiltration of aliens at every port in the country, but as 97 per cent, of the aliens who entered the country came in at eight or ten ports the Government thought they should set up an efficient barrier at those ports and not

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inflict upon every passenger who might arrive the annoyance or hindrance of an examination. It was perfectly true that undesirable aliens of the richer class might get through. The Government had never supposed that they could keep them out by the first part of the Bill, but they believed that they could keep out a very large influx of aliens who were likely to prove a detriment to the country, while high-class criminals could be efficiently dealt with under another clause in the Bill, Such persons could not be dealt with under the earlier portion of the Bill without an examination of every passenger, and it did not at all follow that they would be detected even then; therefore it was not thought desirable to inflict so great a hardship upon all passengers for a problematical benefit.

Question put.

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MR. MARKS (Kent, Thanet)

moved to insert words so that the definition should mad, "The expression 'immigrant' … means an alien steerage passenger or alien member of the crew …" his object being to prevent a certain class of undesirables from evading the provisions of the Act by working their passage across as seamen. That the point was of some importance was shown by the fact that from 26 to 28 per cent, of the men engaged each year on British merchant ships were foreigners, and the percentage was steadily increasing. The evil existed particularly in connection with cattle boats from the Argentine and other parts of the world, and unless some such provision as he proposed were inserted a most undesirable class of immigrants would find their way into this country without being subjected to the safeguards imposed with regard to other classes.

Amendment proposed— In page 6, line 15, after the word 'passenger' to insert the words 'or alien member of the crew.'""—(Mr. Marks.)

Question proposed, "That those words be there inserted."


said that evidence was given before the Royal Commission to show that the worst and most undesirable class of aliens were precisely those referred to in this Amendment, who, at nominal wages, worked their passage across, without having the slightest pretence to being seamen. The class of people who had been alluded to were generally people of a very bad character, who could find their way to this country only in this way. He thought some attempt should be made to stop these people coming here and landing, and mixing with the general population.

MR. MARKHAM (Nottinghamshire, Mansfield)

pointed out to the Home Secretary that since nine o'clock seven speakers had addressed the House from the Ministerial side. This showed that the matter was an important matter, and he appealed to the right hon. Gentleman to advise the Prime Minister to take into consideration the desirability of granting an additional day for the discussion of the Bill.


Order, order. That question, is not relevant to this Amendment.


said he had had practical experience, and testimony from gentleman of undoubted integrity connected with the shipping community, as to the truth of the state of things which the hon. and gallant Member for Stepney had just described. It was a fact that some of the most abandoned characters—he could find no other more suitable expression to describe these cattlemen—were shipped over from South America in this way under the name of seamen, and in this way some of the most disgraceful characters arrived in this country. That being the case, he hoped the Government would insert some words to protect this country and those who dwelt in it from the danger of having an influx of such people as certainly were extremely detrimental to any nation where they were permitted to land. He felt very strongly upon this question, and no exaggerated terms had been used by the hon. and gallant Member for Stepney in regard to these cattlemen. He hoped some steps would be taken in this Bill to prevent such immigration, whether they came in large or small numbers, and he trusted that the Home Secretary would insert words to meet this case.


said there was no doubt that this Amendment was directed towards meeting a real grievance, because many of these cattlemen were most undesirable persons. In the past they had been allowed to land here, and the object of this Amendment was to give power to deal with such cases. He hoped, however, that his hon. friend, would not press this Amendment to a division, because the Government had been advised of this evil, and they had endeavoured to meet it so far as cattle men were concerned. If the hon. Member would look at the 3rd Sub-section of this clause he would see that the expression "passenger" included "any person I carried on the ship other than the master and persons employed in the working or service of the ship." These cattlemen might be nominally engaged as members of the crew, but they were not employed in the working or service of the ship. The Government were fully alive to this evil, but they believed that the words he had alluded to were effective for the purpose of excluding this most undesirable class of persons. He, therefore, hoped his hon. friend would not press this Amendment to a division, as the words contained in the Amendment raised a very large question which was really foreign to the purpose of this Bill. They were all aware that a great many British vessels were manned to a great extent by foreigners, and to prevent all these foreigners landing as proposed by this Amendment would be taking a step of a most alarming character. He sympathised with the object of the mover and seconder of this Amendment, but it was not desirable to press it in the form in which it had been put down.


Under these circumstances, I beg leave to withdraw my Amendment.

Amendment, by leave, withdrawn.


moved to insert after "passenger" the words "not born in the United Kingdom." and asked the Attorney-General whether a person born in the United Kingdom could be an alien. If not, he would not insist on his Amendment.


said at common law a person born in the United Kingdom could not get rid of his allegiance; but by the Naturalisation Act of 1870 it had been provided that if a British subject became naturalised in a foreign State he ceased to be a British subject. Therefore, a person born in the United Kingdom might become an alien.


Do I understand that British subjects are excluded from the operation of the Bill?


Certainly; so Long as they remain British subjects.


said that his Amendment concerned an Englishman or a Scotchman who, having been in the United States for a period of years, wished to pay a temporary visit to his friends in this country. He asked the Attorney-General whether words could not be inserted which would make it impossible for anyone born in the United Kingdom to be excluded therefrom.

Amendment proposed— In page 6, line 15, after the word 'passenger,' to insert the words 'not born in the United Kingdom.'"—(Mr. Fuller.)

Question proposed, "That those words be there inserted."


said that as he had an Amendment on the Paper in the same words, perhaps he would be permitted to say one or two words. At an earlier stage of the Bill they succeeded in obtaining a promise from the Attorney-General that he would endeavour to meet the difficulty which had been raised, but the Amendment put forward by the Government to meet this case came under the guillotine, and this was the only opportunity left to them for the discussion of this point. As the Bill stood an Englishman, born and bred in this country, who had been naturalised in the United States and desired to spend the rest of his days in the old country, might be treated as a rogue and a vagabond if he travelled third class on an immigrant ship and tried to land at any other than one of the eight or ten ports mentioned in the Bill. The only way in which the case of such a man could be met was by specially excepting him from the definition of "alien immigrant."


said he did not quite understand who the people were whom the Amendment was intended to exempt. In the ordinary course of things every person born in the United Kingdom was necessarily a British subject. The Government had put down an Amendment to meet the case of the man whom they supposed the hon. Member for Cork had in view—namely, the man born in this country who emigrated to a foreign country, became naturalised, and revisited the United Kingdom, intending to make only a short stay here. But surely it would not be contended that such a man, who for some purpose good to himself sacrificed his British nationality, should be allowed to return without at least undergoing some process of examination, with, for instance, a view to seeing that he was not a lunatic? The Government had pat down words which, in his opinion, would meet the case complained of in regard to Ireland.


I raised the question long before hon. Members from Ireland brought it forward with reference to workmen from Lancashire and Yorkshire.


said he did not think that a man who had chosen to sacrifice his own nationality should be allowed to come to this country without any examination or without their putting into operation with regard to him the safeguards which were laid down in the Bill. He was sorry that the Amendment he put down came under the closure, and he regretted that it did not go far enough to meet what hon. Members opposite desired, but he was not prepared to make a general extension in regard to this case.

MR. BRYCE (Aberdeen, S.)

thought the Amendment was a most reasonable one. The Home Secretary seemed to think that it was a sort of crime for a British workman who emigrated to a foreign country to naturalise himself there. It was rather hard on such a man, who desired to fulfil the duties of citizenship in the country in which he had settled down, to be told that he had done an unpatriotic thing, and therefore was to be subjected to an examination as if he were a rogue and a vagabond on revisiting his old home. Surely the Home Secretary must have forgotten altogether the indignities which this Bill proposed to inflict. The contention of his hon. friend was that a British-born subject who became naturalised in the country where he had emigrated to should be exempted from all these obligations under this Bill when he returned to this country. He might be required to prove his British birth, but that ought to be enough. This point affected not only British-born subjects in this country, but also those who were born in the Colonies.


contended that the Amendment was both unreasonable and unworkable. He remembered a case where sixteen lunatics were sent back to this country by the United States Government. He did not think it was right that men who had spent the best years of their lives in the United States should be sent back to this country when they had become chargeable to the States. That was an illustration of the danger which would arise if the United States were free to send back to this country everybody who, though naturalised there, had become chargeable on the rates. He did not think that would be right and fair. The words suggested by the Attorney-General were quite sufficient.


said some interesting points had been raised in this debate. This country went to war some time ago in South Africa, and one of the objects of that war was to enable people who went there to naturalise earlier than the Transvaal laws allowed. Was not one of the grievances against the Transvaal Government that they would not make the period shorter? This Bill as it now stood would exclude a large number of Irish-born citizens who had been naturalised in the United States and who wished to return for a short time to visit their relatives in Ireland, unless they came as cabin passengers. It ought not to be beyond the powers of the Attorney-General and the Attorney-General for Ireland to devise some form of words which would meet their case. He acknowledged the courtesy of the Home Secretary and the Attorney-General in endeavouring to meet the case which the Irish Members brought forward last week. He admitted that there was considerable difficulty in framing such a definition as would meet the case with which they were dealing. But surely it did not surpass the combined intelligence of these Gentlemen to devise some form of words which would meet the case. The Home Secretary's Amendment was passed last night after the closure rule came into operation, and hon. Members from Ireland had no opportunity of discussing its terms. They were, placed in the position of having nolens volens to accept the Amendment. The bulk of the Irishmen who went to America became naturalised there. Surely the right hon. Gentleman was not unaware of the appalling emigration which went on from Ireland owing, as the Irish representatives said, to bad government. A small number of them made money, and when they returned to visit their homes and friends they came as cabin passengers. A large proportion who returned to visit friends did not travel as saloon passengers, and, under this Bill as it stood, it was possible that their admission to their native land might be objected to. That was a monstrous state of things. That never was intended by the framers of the Bill. It never entered their imagination that in attempting to deal with the question of alien labour in the East End of London they were framing a measure which would have the effect of preventing Irishmen who had emigrated to America from revisiting their native land. He challenged contradiction on that point. The case was unanswerable. The Government had no right to put any artificial barrier in the way of Irishmen who wished to return from the United States to visit their native land. Irishmen were entitled by all laws, human and divine, to do that without let or hindrance from the British Government. He and his friends would protest against that so Long as they could do so. He said it was nothing short of tyranny that, because it was desired to exclude a certain class of foreigners, Irishmen should be dubbed aliens and prevented from returning to the land of their birth.

MR. ABEL THOMAS (Carmarthen, E.)

said the Bill hit Welshmen as well as Irishmen. He knew many cases of steel workers and coal workers who, when times were bad in Glamorganshire and Monmouthshire, went to the United States, stayed there for five or six years, and when times were good again here returned to their native land. To dub such people as aliens and vagabonds was monstrous, and he was Surprised at any Government bringing such an absurd Bill into the House. It might be that in some districts aliens had done harm, but he believed the grievance had been exaggerated.


I think the hon. Gentleman is getting a long way from the Amendment.


said that what was material was that Welshmen who had left this country under the circumstances he had indicated would be precluded by this Bill from coining back when times became bad in America, because, having been naturalised there, they would come back as aliens.


said he was sure the Committee were sensible of the temperate way in which the hon. Member for North Cork had brought this matter before them. The hon. Member had admitted that he himself had failed to devise any form of words which would be satisfactory. The hon. Member had thrown upon him the task of achieving what he, with the assistance of his friends from Ireland, had been unable to do.


said he gave notice of an Amendment containing the form of words which he desired to introduce, but as the closure came into operation he could not move it.


said no form of words had been devised which would satisfy those interested in this subject. The hon. Member need not be discouraged at his failure, because the task was an impossible one. He hoped to satisfy not only the hon. Member for North Cork, but also the hon. Member for East Carmarthen, that it was impossible to introduce a general Amendment without achieving a result which both of them would warmly repudiate. A suggestion had been made by the right hon. Gentleman the Member for South Aberdeen as to the indignity inflicted on immigrants under this Bill if they came in this way. He respectfully suggested that that was rather a strong word to use. Nobody thought an indignity was inflicted upon immigrants into the United States from this country because the authorities of that country thought it right to put in force the laws against the immigration of undesirable aliens.


said the laws were not put in force against passengers in the way it was proposed to do here.


begged the right hon. Gentleman's pardon But that was not the only part of the right hon. Gentleman's speech to which he took exception. He would call the attention of the Committee to the fact that the Amendment opened up a very wide question. If they were to exempt persons born in the United Kingdom what were they going to do with persons born in Canada? If they were to accept an Amendment of this kind they must apply it to all persons born in any part of His Majesty's dominions. [An HON. MEMBER Why not?] The Amendment, therefore, was altogether unsatisfactory. He could not understand how the right hon. Gentleman could say that the Home Secretary had spoken of its being a crime for a British subject, after Settling in America, to become naturalised. His right hon. friend said nothing of the kind. It was a natural thing for any man to do; there was no stigma or taint of criminality about it. But it was another question whether the country of this man's adoption should shunt its failures on the country of origin.


said the United States had no right to deport its citizens.


said he was speaking of those who had become naturalised in America. They should not come here and throw themselves on the rates of this country.


said that was not the Irish case.


said it was a consequence in which the Amendment would land the people of this country. It was the right of this country to say that those who had become naturalised in America should remain there and should not come home to throw themselves upon the poor rates here. A man might have been guilty of a crime in America which was the subject of extradition. He was to be exempted from the operation of the Bill, and there was no power in the case of a person who had elected to become an alien and who in the country of his adoption had been guilty of a crime to prevent him from returning to this country.


The extradition law will operate.


said if the crime was one which was subject to extradition an alien might be prevented from landing in this country. The Amendment proposed to exempt him altogether. Was that a reasonable proposal? It was impossible for the Government to accept the Amendment. He had been touched by the eloquence of the hon. Member for Cork when he drew a picture of the Irishmen returning from America to visit their friends. He had tried to find words to meet the case submitted by the hon. Member without prejudice to the general principle of the Bill, and the result was the Amendment now incorporated as part of the first clause.

MR. WILLIAMABRAHAM (Glamorganshire, Rhondda)

said the Attorney-General had not attempted to answer the Question which was put to him by his hon. friend the Member for East Carmarthen in regard to Welsh working men who were anxious to return to this country and to earn an honest living at their trades. He appealed to the right hon. Gentleman to postpone the consideration of this part of the Bill until he saw his way clear to defend the honest worker. They had heard a great deal about Imperialism and of Canada, but what became of Imperialism if they could not defend a worker who desired to return to this country?

MR. T. W. RUSSELL (Tyrone, S.)

pointed out that during the last fifty years millions of the Irish people had gone to America, and the great majority had become naturalised there. There was an enormous traffic between America and Ireland during the summer season thousands coming as steerage passengers to visit their native country. There was also another class of Irishman who came back to Ireland to stay, not to go upon thy rates but to die in the country of his birth. The Government hardly seemed able to understand the attachment the Irishman felt for his old home. Those people should be considered in debating the Bill, and for that reason he supported the Amendment. It was all very well to talk about criminals and lunatics. No one wished to have the criminals. He and others would give the Government power to deal with them, but he appealed to the Government to acknowledge the claims of the class he had mentioned. The Bill seemed to have been drawn without the slightest regard to the consideration of this class, and with a desire simply to exclude aliens from the East End of London.


said he thought that the remedy for the complaint which had been made by the hon. Gentleman opposite was already in the Bill in an Amendment which was accepted by the Government and passed the previous night under the guillotine. Obviously it was to the joint interest of the great steamship companies, who brought these passengers, and of the passengers themselves, that there should be a landing, if possible, without the indignity of an examination at all; and the Amendment put forward by the steamship companies, and accepted by the Government the previous night, was to the effect that the Secretary of State might, by order, exempt any ships where security was given to his satisfaction that undesirable immigrants would not be landed in the United Kingdom from those immigrant ships except for the purpose of transit. It appeared to him that in that Amendment there lay the means of getting round a very serious difficulty referred to by the hon. Gentleman.

*MR. NORMAN (Wolverhampton, S.)

said he wished to put a purely legal point in a spirit of very respectful inquiry. He believed it was the case that anyone born of British parents in a foreign country could claim to be regarded as a British subject. Under these circumstances could he come to this country free under this Bill? It seemed to him to be an absurdity, if that were the case, that anyone born in Great Britain, and who went to the United States, would not be allowed to return to this country without examination and inquiry, whereas a person born in the United States would be allowed to do so.


said he did not think this provision would apply to those who were born and remained British subjects. It was impossible to find an Amendment which would meet all requirements.


said that by the common law of England no British subject could divest himself of his British citizenship. That was the principle which led to the war of 1812, and to the severe crisis in 1866 in the celebrated case of Jackson. The United States Government held that an Irishman who had been naturalised in the United States ceased to be a British subject, while the British Government held otherwise. The difficulty was settled by the Act of 1870, by which it was arranged that a naturalised subject of the United States became an American citizen and renounced his Irish allegiance. He thought the difficulty could be removed by exempting from the operation of the Bill all British subjects who had become naturalised citizens of the United States. This Bill was framed merely to meet the case of the invasion of undesirable aliens from Russia and Roumania, and was never intended to apply to Irishmen who wished to revisit the country from which they sprung.

*MR. SHACKLETON (Lancashire, Clitheroe)

said that the difficulty they were in arose from the application of the closure by compartments. He was certain that the Committee did not understand the question, and the further they discussed it the more they were getting into a fog. Before the guillotine descended at twelve o'clock the Government ought to give some further explanation as to what their intention really was. Did they intend to set up a barrier against the return of any British-born subject who wished to come back to his native country? This question not only affected Irish-Americans who desired to return to their native laud to end their days, but the steel workers from Wales who had gone to America. Putting aside all questions of the Poor Law, or the sentiment about dying in the old country, he wished to know what would be the position of the thousands of the Lancashire cotton operatives who went to America seven or eight years ago to take advantage of the boom there, and the high rate of wages paid. There was now a recovery in this country from the cotton crisis, the wages of the workers had advanced 5 per cent., while the American manufacturers had pulled wages down 22½ per cent. Employers here were anxious for the return of the cotton operatives in the present condition of the trade, and these would come back assuredly as steerage passengers. These Lancashire operatives had certainly no idea that they would he prevented from returning by this Aliens Bill, and he wanted to know if the Bill would he a barrier against them returning to their old country.


said that strong feeling had been aroused when they were told that Irishmen, Welshmen, and Lancashire cotton operatives could not come back to the United Kingdom without passing through the hands of an immigration officer in one or other of the named ports, and that if they went anywhere else they were liable to be proceeded against as rogues and vagabonds, and be fined £5 with the alternative of three months imprisonment. He insisted that the Government would not satisfy the Committee, the House, or the country, unless they found some form of words by which any British citizen could come back freely to this country.


said it was a great disadvantage to the Committee that the Home Secretary should not be present to hear the debate on this important point. He ventured to say that it was incumbent on a Minister in charge of an important Bill to be present, especially when the period for its discussion had been curtailed by an arbitrary procedure. The Attorney-General might try to enlighten the Committee but the Minister in charge of the Home Office, which would have to do with the administration of the Bill when it became law, ought to have been present to answer the arguments advanced against some of its important provisions. If the Home Secretary had been present he would have asked what the Government would lose by accepting the Amendment proposed. After all, this Bill had been represented very largely on national grounds as designed to preserve the purity of the British race. The hon. Member for Limehouse and others desired to make sure that there should be no infiltration of foreign sewage to defile the purity of the Anglo-Saxon blood! Well, this particular Amendment dealt with a class of immigrants to this country, or rather with people of British birth, who desired to return to their native land. The hon. Member for Clitheroe had given a real practical illustration of the hardship; which would be imposed on the Lancashire cotton operatives who had gone over to America at a time when there was a boom in the cotton trade there. Partly from the pressure of their surroundings, and partly from economic causes, they had become naturalised subjects of the United States, but many of did not wish to separate themselves entirely from the land of their birth. He urged the Government to meet the wishes of hon. Members, believing, as he did, that not a single essential object of the Bill would be sacrificed if they gave the concession now asked for.

MR. WILLIAM ABRAHAM (Glamorganshire, Rhondda)

said he thought the Committee was entitled to an Answer. Hon. Members who voted for the Bill I never dreamt that the present position would arise. He protested against the honest British workman, who was in America or elsewhere, being prevented from returning to his own country. He wanted a straight Answer to a straight Question—namely, whether it was the intention of the Government to prevent; an honest workman, be he English, Scotch, Irish, or Welsh, from returning to his own country. Every man should have the inherent right to return to his country. He was prepared to accept the word of honour of the Home Secretary that such prevention would be impossible; and he believed it would be the worst day's work hon. Gentlemen opposite ever did if they voted for the clause as it stood.


said he did not think it was possible for him to be more explicit than he had been. He would, however, repeat what he had stated before. It was far from the wish of the Government to prevent honest British working men from coming back to this country, even after they had been naturalised abroad. The Government could not do otherwise than apply to all aliens, subject to exemption in the case of persons born in this country revisiting their friends, provisions which were intended not to put any difficulty in the way of working men returning to this country, but to prevent the landing of undesirable aliens.

MR. WTLLIAM ABRAHAM (Glamorganshire, Rhondda)

asked if the right hon. Gentleman would insert words to allow the British workman to return.


said that the Bill only aimed at the undesirable alien.

*MR. H. LAWSON (Tower Hamlets, Mile End)

said he should not have intervened in the debate but for the fact that the hon. Member for Oldham, in the courteous and genial manner which had become habitual to him, imputed to him when he was supporting the Bill on national grounds that he did so in spite of his mixed origin—a mixed origin which the hon. Member shared. It seemed to him a pity that the hon. Gentleman, whose abilities they all recognised, could not take part in a debate without introducing the bitter venom of acrimonious personality.




appealed to the Chair to allow the hon. Member full license.


said that the hon. Gentleman always seemed anxious to pay off old scores. It was a matter of boast and pride with him that if he supported this Bill it was because he wished to remove the reproach of having unworthy and undesirable members foisted upon a community with which his family had been long connected. So far as the Amendment was concerned, he was quite certain that if it gave rise to any grievance on the part of Englishmen and Irishmen he certainly did not desire it. He did not wish that any Englishman or Irishman should be prevented from coining back to his mother country, but what he desired was to prevent the undesirable alien from returning to this country. The number of American citizens after naturalisation so coming was very small. He was sure they would be able to bring the Bill into conformity with that desire, which the Prime Minister had so often expressd.


said he had supported the Bill with the clear and distinct understanding that it was intended to exclude the undesirable alien arriving from the East of Europe. No hon. Member thought it would be applied to persons of British birth. It was quite inconceivable that such persons would be undesirables. The Bill was introduced to prevent the arrival of uneconomic residents, who would reduce the standard of living. The Government had as yet given no promise in this respect. All they had said was that persons arriving on a holiday should not be excluded, but these were not the persons his hon. friend had in view. He wished to ask the Home Secretary whether a cotton operative who went to America, and who desired to return to this country, would be excluded, or would he be subject to examination at the port of entry, with the possibility of rejection.


said that cotton operatives would be shocked to know that if they became naturalised in America they would forfeit the precious right of calling themselves Englishmen. It might be sentimental, but sentiment was the strongest force in politics. Everyone agreed that the undesirable alien should be kept out, but he thought that the most feather-brained Member on the Treasury Bench would not propose to exclude British-born subjects. He warned the right hon. Gentleman that it would be a serious shock to public feeling in England if it were known that a man because he went away for a short period was to forfeit the precious heritage of being a Britisher.


said he had been present throughout almost the whole of the debate, and answered the Question now put in precisely the same manner that the Attorney-General had done an hour earlier. The Bill would not keep out any but undesirable aliens, and they had no desire whatever to keep out the honest British working man. He would certainly be examined, but he would have no difficulty in satisfying the inspecting officer that he was a desirable alien within the meaning of the Bill. If the Question was put whether such a man would be examined or not, he replied certainly, if he sacrificed his British nationality. The Amendment, if accepted, would admit a very large number of aliens.

MAJOR SEELY (Isle of Wight)

said he wished to put the case of a British-born workman returning injured to this country, and thereby unable to support himself or his dependents, and asked the Home Secretary to make it plain that no injustice would be done in such a case. The Home Secretary did not appreciate the point. Suppose a man lost a leg in the race of life abroad, he would not be able to return under the terms of the Bill, and satisfy the immigration officer that he was able to support himself and his dependents. He might wish to return to his only refuge—the country of his birth—and was he to be debarred? The concession offered by the Home Secretary did not meet the case raised by the hon. Member for OJicheroe. They knew the Bill would go through; but they wanted to see justice done; and he appealed to the Home Secretary to state plainly what he meant.


asked if in the supposititious case mentioned the man would be regarded as an undesirable alien, to be inspected on arrival here, and as having placed himself under a cloud by accepting another nationality? But he thought they went to war some time ago to enable the British workmen to do the very thing now condemned. The grievance against the Government of the Transvaal was that it put impediments in the way of the honest British workman which the Home Secretary now regarded as a reason for subjecting him to ignominy. If that I was the position of the Government let it be understood. It would be a sorry day when that came to be regarded as the policy of a British Government.


said he wished to protest against having phrases put into his mouth which he had never used, He never said a man coming back to this country after having accepted foreign nationality came back under a cloud, nor did he regard the inquiries of an immigration officer as ignominy. In order to maintain the stringency of the Bill, an alien coming to this country, whether he originally came from it or not, must come in under the system of inquiry. He saw no ignominy in that.

MR. RENWICK (Newcastle-on-Tyne)

said that if a man became naturalised in the United States and returned to this country, he was, even without this Bill, regarded as an alien, because if he applied to be put on the register his application would be refused. Therefore, if he returned after the Bill was passed, he must put up with its provisions. The employers of labour in this country would view with the greatest satisfaction the statement of the hon. Member for Clitheroe that labour leaders were prepared to welcome men from other countries. Hitherto employers of labour had been hampered because British workmen refused to work alongside these importations. In the present condition of prosperity in Lancashire, no cotton operative returning would be under any difficulty in proving he was able to support himself.


asked whether a Chinaman, a British subject, coming to this country from the Straits Settlements or Hong-Kong, would be subject to inquiry.

MR. WILLIAM ABRAHAM (Glamorganshire, Rhondda)

said that the Home Secretary had not given an Answer to the Question which had been put. He did not find fault with the absence of the right hon. Gentleman; but he was not present when he himself made his appeal.

And, it being Midnight, the CHAIRMAN proceeded, in pursuance of the Order of the House of the 5th July, to put the Question on the Amendment already proposed from the Chair.

Question put, "That the words 'not born in the United Kingdom' be there inserted."

Abraham, Wm (Cork, N.B.) Hammond, John O'Shaughnessy, P. J.
Abraham, William (Rhondda) Harcourt, Lewis Parrott, William
Ainsworth, John Stirling Hardie,J.Keir(Merthyr Tydvil) Partington, Oswald
Allen, Charles P. Harmsworth, R, Leicester Paulton, James Mellor
Ashton, Thomas Gair Harwood, George Pearson, Sir Weetman D.
Baker, Joseph Allen Hayden, John Patrick Perks, Robert William
Barlow, John Emmott Helme, Norval Watson Philipps, John Wynford
Beaumont, Wentworth C.B. Henderson, Arthur (Durham) Pirie, Duncan V.
Benn, John Williams Higham, John Sharp Power, Patrick Joseph
Black, Alexander William Hobhouse, C.E.H.(Bristol, E.) Price, Robert John
Boland, John Hutchinson, Dr. Chas. Fredk. Priestley, Arthur
Bolton, Thomas Dolling Hutton, Alfred E. (Morley) Rea, Russell
Brigg, John Isaacs, Rufus Daniel Reckitt, Harold James
Bright, Allan Heywood Joicey, Sir James Reddy, M.
Broadhurst, Henry Jones, Leif (Appleby) Redmond, John E. (Waterford
Brown, George M (Edinburgh) Jones, William (Carnarvonshire Rickett, J. Compton
Bryce, Rt. Hn. James Joyce, Michael Roberts, John Bryn (Eifion)
Burke, E. Haviland Kennedy, Vincent P.(Cavan,W Robson, William Snowdon
Burt, Thomas Kitson, Sir James Roe, Sir Thomas
Buxton,N.E(York.N.R.Whitby Lambert, George Rose, Charles Day
Buxton, Sydney Chas. (Poplar) Law, Hugh Alex (Donegal, W.) Runciman, Walter
Caldwell, James Lawson, Sir Wilfrid (Cornwall) Russell, T. W.
Campbell, John (Armagh, S.) Layland,-Barratt, Francis Samuel, Herb. L. (Cleveland)
Causton, Richard Knight Leese, Sir J. F. (Accrington) Samuel, S. M. (Whitechapel)
Cawley, Frederick Levy, Maurice Seely, Maj. J.EB(IsleofWight)
Channing, Francis Allston Lewis, John Herbert Shaw, Chas. Edw. (Stafford)
Cheetham, John Frederick Lough, Thomas Shaw, Thomas (Hawick K.)
Churchill, Winston Spencer Lundon, W. Sheehy, David
Condon, Thomas Joseph Lyell, Charles Henry Shipman, Dr. John G.
Corbett, A. Cameron (Glasgow) MacNeill, John Cordon Swift Sinclair, John (Forfarshire)
Cremer, William Randal MacVeagh, Jeremiah Slack John Bamford
Crooks, William M'Arthur, William (Cornwall) Smith, Samuel (Flint)
Cross, Alexander (Glasgow M'Crae, George Soames, Arthur Wellesley
Cullinan, J. M'Kean, John Soares, Ernest J.
Davies, M. Vaughan (Cardigan M'Kenna, Reginald Spencer, Rt. Hn.CR(Northants
Delany, William M'Laren, Sir Chas. Benjamin Stanhope, Hn. Philip James
Dilke, Rt. Hn. Sir Charles Mansfield, Horace Rendall Stevenson, Francis S.
Dobbie, Joseph Markham, Arthur Basil Sullivan, Donal
Doogan, P. C. Mooney, John J. Taylor, Theodore C. (Radcliffe
Douglas, Chas. M. (Lanark) Morgan, J. Lloyd (Carmarthen) Tennant, Harold John
Duncan, J. Hastings Moss, Samuel Thomas, Abel (Carmarthen, E.
Edwards, Frank Moulton, John Fletcher Thomas, Sir A. (Glamorgan, E.
Elibank, Master of Murphy, John Thomas, David Alfred(Merthyr
Ellice,CaptE. C(S. Andr'wsB'ghs Nolan, Col. J. P. (Galway, N. Thomson, F. W. (York, W.R.
Emmott, Alfred Nolan, Joseph (Louth, South Tomkinson, James
Evans, S. T. (Glamorgan) Norman, Henry Toulmin, George
Eve, Harry Trelawney Nussey, Thomas Willans Trevelyan, Charles Philips
Fenwick, Charles O'Brien, K. (Tipperary Mid) Walton, Joseph (Barnsley)
Findlay, Alex. (Lanark, N.E.) O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny) Wason, Eugene (Clackmannan)
Flavin, Michael Joseph O'Brien, P. J. (Tipperary, N. Wason, John Cathcart(Orkney
Flynn, James Christopher O'Connor, James(Wicklow, W. Weir, James Galloway
Foster, Sir Walter (Derby Co.) O'Connor, John (Kildare, N.) White, George (Norfolk)
Freeman, Thomas, Captain F. O'Dowd, John White, Luke (York, E.R.)
Gladstone, Rt.Hn. Herb. John O'Kelly, Conor (Mayo, N.) Whiteley, George (York, W.R.)
Griffith, Ellis J. O'Malley, William Whitley, J. H. (Halifax)
Gurdon, Sir W. Brampton O'Mara, James

The Committee divided:—Ayes, 173; Noes, 214. (Division List No. 271.)

Whittaker, Thomas Palmer Wilson, Fred.W.(Norfolk,Mid. TELLERS FOR THE AYES—Mr.
Williams, Osmond (Merioneth) Wilson, John (Durham, Mid.) Fuller and Mr. Shackleton
Wilson, Chas. Henry (Hull, W. Woodhouse,SirJ.T.(Huddersf'd
Agg-Gardner, James Tynte Fergusson, Rt. Hn. SirJ(Mane'r Long, RtHn. Walter (Bristol.S.
Agnew, Sir Andrew Noel Finch, Rt. Hn. George H. Lowe, Francis William
Allhusen, Augustus Henry E Finlay, Sir R.B.(Inv'rn'ssB'ghs Loyd, Archie Kirkman
Anson, Sir William Reynell Fisher, William Hayes Lucas, Col. Francis (Lowentoft
Arkwright, John Stanhope Forster, Henry William Lucas, Reginald J. (Portsm'th
Arrol, Sir William Foster, P. S. (Warwick, S.W. Lyttelton, Rt. Hn. Alfred
Atkinson, Rt. Hn. John Galloway, William Johnson Macdona, John Cumming
Aubrey-Fletcher, Rt. Hn.SirH Gardner, Ernest MacIver, David (Liverpool)
Bagot, Capt. JoscelineFitzRoy Garfit, William Maconochie, A. W.
Bailey, James (Walworth) Gibbs, Hon. A. G. H. M'Arthur, Charles (Liverpool)
Bain, Colonel James Robert Godson, Sir Augustus Fredk M'Iver, SirLewis(Edinburgh,W
Balcarres, Lord Gordon, Hn.J.E. (Elgin&Nairn M'Killop, James (Stirlingshire)
Balfour, Rt.Hn.A.J. (Manch'r Gordon, Maj.Evans(T'rH'mlets Malcolm, Ian
Balfour, Capt. C. B. (Hornsey Goulding, Edward Alfred Marks, Harry Hananel
Balfour, RtHnGeraldW(Leeds Graham, Henry Robert Martin, Richard Biddulph
Balfour, Kenneth R. (Christch. Gray, Ernest (West Ham) Meysey-Thompson, Sir H. M.
Banbury, Sir Frederick George Greene, H D. (Shrewsbury) Middlemore, J. Throgmorton
Bathurst, Hn. Allan Benjamin Greene, W. Raymond (Cambs' Mildmay, Francis Bingham
Bentinck, Lard Henry G. Greville, Hon. Ronald Milvain, Thomas
Bhownaggree, Sir M. M. Guthrie, Walter Murray Molesworth, Sir Lewis
Bignold, Sir Arthur Hall, Edward Marshall Montagu, G. (Huntingdon)
Bigwood, James Hambro, Charles Eric Moon, Edward Robert Pacy
Bill, Charles Hamilton,Marq.of(L'nd'nderry Morgan, D. J. (Walthamstow)
Bingham, Lord Hardy, L. (Kent, Ashford) Morrell, George Herbert
Bond, Edward Hare, Thomas Leigh Morton, Arthur H. Aylmer
Bowles,Lt,-Col.H.F.(Middlesex Haslam, Sir Alfred S. Mount, William Arthur
Brassey, Albert Hay, Hon, Claude George Mowbray, Sir Robert Gray C.
Brodrick, Rt. Hon. St. John Heath, Arthur Howard(Hanley Murray, Charles J. (Coventry)
Brotherton, Edward Allen Heath, Sir Jas. (Staffords,NW. Parkes, Ebenezer
Brown, Sir Alex. H. (Shropsh.) Henderson, Sir A. (Stafford, W. Peel, Hn. Wm. Robt.Wellesley
Brymer, William Ernest Hermon-Hodge, Sir Robert T. Percy, Earl
Bull, William James Hickman, Sir Alfred Pierpoint, Robert
Butcher, John George Hill, Henry Staveley Pilkington, Colonel Richard
Carson, Rt. Hn. Sir Edw. H. Hogg, Lindsay Plummer, Sir Walter R.
Cautley, Henry Strother Hope, J. F. (Sheffield, Brightside Powell, Sir Francis Sharp
Cavendish, V.C.W. (Derbyshire Hoult, Joseph Pretyman, Ernest George
Cecil, Evelyn (Aston Manor) Houston, Robert Paterson Pryce-Jones, Lt.-Col. Edward
Cecil, Lord Hugh (Greenwich) Howard, J. (Kent, Faversham Purvis, Robert
Chamberlain, Rt.Hn.J.A(Worc. Hozier, Hn. James Henry Cecil Pym, C. Guy
Chapman, Edward Hunt, Rowland Rankin, Sir James
Clive, Captain Percy A. Jameson, Major J. Eustace Ratcliff, R. F.
Coates, Edward Feetham Jebb, Sir Richard Claverhouse Reed, Sir Edw. James (Cardiff)
Cochrane, Hon. Thos. H. A. E. Jeffreys, Rt. Hn. Arthur Fred Reid, James (Greenock)
Coghill, Douglas Harry Jessel, Captain Herbert Merton Remnant, James Farquharson
Colston, Chas. Edw. H. Athole Kenyon, Hn. Geo. T. (Denbigh Renwick, George
Cook, Sir Frederick Lucas Kenyon-Slaney, Rt. Hn.Col.W. Ridley, S. Forde
Dalkeith, Earl of Kerr, John Robertson, Herb. (Hackney)
Davenport, William Bromley Keswick, William Rolleston, Sir John F. L.
Davies, Sir H. D. (Chatham) Kimber, Sir Henry Round, Rt. Hon. James
Denny, Colonel King, Sir Henry Seymour Royds, Clement Molyneux
Dickinson, Robert Edmund Lambton, Hn. Fredk. Wm. Rutherford, John (Lancashire)
Dickson, Charles Scott Laurie, Lieut-General Rutherford, W. W. (Liverpool
Dimsdale, Rt.Hn.Sir Joseph C. Law, Andrew Bonar (Glasgow Sackville, Col. S. G. Stopford
Disraeli, Coningsby Ralph Lawson, Hn. H.L.W(Mile End Sadler, Col. Samuel Alexander
Doughty, Sir George Lee, Arthur H.(Hants,Fareham Sassoon, Sir Edward Albert
Douglas, Rt. Hn. A. Akers- Lees, Sir Elliott (Birkenhead) Scott, Sir S. (Marylebone, W.)
Duke, Henry Edward Legge, Col. Hon. Heneage Sharps, William Edward T.
Faber, Edmund B. (Hants, W) Leveson-Gower, Frederick N.S. Skewes-Cox, Thomas
Faber, George Denson (York. Llewellyn, Evan Henry Smith, H.C(North'mb.Tyneside
Fellowes, RtHnAilwyn Edwd. Lockwood, Lieut.-Col. A. R. Smith,RtHn.J.Parker(Lanarks
Smith, Hn. W. F. D. (Strand) Tritton, Charles Ernest Whitmore, Charles Algernon
Stewart, Sir M. J. M'Taggart Tuff, Charles Williams, Colonel R. (Dorset
Stirling-Maxwell, Sir John M. Tufnell, Lieut.-Col. Edward Willoughby de Eresby, Lord
Stock, James Henry Tuke, Sir John Batty Wilson, A. Stanley (York, E.R)
Stone, Sir Benjamin Turnour, Viscount Wilson, John (Glasgow)
Stroyan, John Vincent,Col.SirC.E.H(Sheffield Wolff, Gustav Wilhelm
Strutt, Hn. Charles Hedley Vincent, Sir Edgar (Exeter) Wrightson, Sir Thomas
Talbot, Lord E. (Chichester) Walrond, Rt. Hn. Sir Wm. H. Wyndham-Quin, Col. W. H.
Talbot, Rt.Hn.JG(Oxf'dUniv. Warde, Colonel C. E.
Taylor, Austin (East Toxteth) Welby,.Lt.-Col. ACE(Taunton) TELLERS FOR THE NOES—Sir
Thorburn, Sir Walter Welby, Sir Chas. G. E. (Notts.) Alexander Acland-Hood and
Tollemache, Henry James Wentworth, Bruce C. Vernon Viscount Valentia.
Tomlinson, Sir Wm. Edw. M. Whiteley, H. (Ashton undLyne

The Chairman then proceeded successively to put forth with the Question on any Amendments moved by the Government of which notice had been given, and on every Question necessary to dispose of the Business allotted to the Sitting.

Amendment proposed— In page 6, line 16, to leave out the word 'such.'"—(Mr. Secretary Akers-Douglas.)

Question, "That the Amendment be made," put, and agreed to.

Amendment proposed— In page 6, line 19, to leave out the words 'immediately proceeding,' and insert the words 'proceeding within a reasonable time.''—(Mr. Secretary Akers-Douglas.)

Question. "That the Amendment be made," put, and agreed to.

Agg-Gardner-James Tynte Balcarres, Lord Bill, Charles
Agnew, Sir Andrew Noel Balfour, Rt Hn. A.J. (Manch'r) Bingham, Lord
Allhusen, Augustus Henry E. Balfour, Capt. C. B. (Hornsey) Blundell, Colonel Henry
Anson, Sir William Reynell Balfour, Rt. Hn. G. W. (Leeds) Bond, Edward
Arkwright, John Stanhope Balfour, Kenneth R. (Christch. Bowles, Lt.-Col.HF(Middlesex)
Arrol, Sir William Banbury, Sir Frederick George Brassey, Albert
Atkinson, Rt. Hon. John Bathurst, Hn. Allen. Benjamin Brodrick, Rt, Hn. St. John
Aubrey-Fletcher, Rt. Hn.Sir H. Bentinck, Lord Henry C. Brotherton, Edward Allen
Bagot, Capt. Josceline FitzRoy Bhownaggree, Sir M. M. Brown, Sir Alex, H. (Shropsh.)
Bailey, James (Walworth) Bignold, Sir Arthur Brymer, William Ernest
Bain, Colonel James Robert Bigwood, James Butcher, John George

Amendment proposed— In page 6, line 20, at end, to insert the words 'or any passengers holding prepaid through tickets to some such destination if the master or owner of the ship by which they are brought to the United Kingdom, or by which they are to be taken away from the United Kingdom, gives security to the satisfaction of the Secretary of State that, except for the purposes of transit or under other circumstances approved by the Secretary of State, they will not remain in the United Kingdom, or, having been rejected in another country, re-enter the United Kingdom, and that they will be properly maintained and controlled during their transit.'"—(Mr. Secretary Akers-Douglas.)

Question. "That the Amendment be made," put, and agreed to.

Question put, "That the clause, as amended, stand part of the Bill."

The Committee divided:—Ayes, 210; Noes. 161. (Division List No. 272.)

Carson, Rt. Hn. Sir Edw. H. Houston, Robert Paterson Purvis, Robert
Cautley, Henry Strother Howard, J. (Kent, Faversham Pym, C. Guy
Cavendish, V.C.W. (Derbyshire Hozier, Hn. James Henry Cecil Rankin, Sir James
Cecil, Evelyn (Aston Manor) Hunt, Rowland Ratcliff, R. F.
Chamberlain, Rt.Hn.JA (Worc. Jameson, Major J. Eustace Reed, Sir Edw. James (Cardiff)
Chapman, Edward Jebb, Sir Richard Claverhouse Reid, James (Greenock)
Clive, Captain Percy A. Jeffreys, Rt. Hn. Arthur Fred Remnant, James Farquharson
Coates, Edward Feetham Jessel, Captain Herb. Merton Ronwick, George
Cochrane, Hn. Thos. H. A. E. Kenyon, Hn. Geo. T.(Denbigh Ridley, S. Forde
Coghill, Douglas Harry Kenyon-Slaney, Rt. Hn.Col.W Robertson, Herbert (Hackney)
Colston, Chas. Edw. H. Atho'e Kerr, John Rolleston, Sir John F. L.
Cook, Sir Frederick Lucas Keswick, William Round, Rt. Hon. James
Corbett, A. Cameron (Glasgow) Kimber, Sir Henry Royds, Clement Molyneux
Cross, Alexander (Glasgow) King, Sir Henry Seymour Rutherford, John (Lancashire)
Dalkeith, Earl of Lambton, Hn. Frederick Wm. Rutherford, W. W. (Liverpool)
Davenport, W. Bromley. Laurie, Lieut.-General Sackville, Col. S. G. Stopford-
Davies, Sir H. D. (Chatham) Law, Andrew Bonar (Glasgow Sadler, Col. Samuel Alexander
Denny, Colonel Lawson, Hn. H.LW (Mile End) Scott, Sir S. (Harylebone, W.)
Dickinson, Robert Edmond Lee, Arthur H.(Hants,Fareham Sharpe, William Edward T.
Dickson, Charles Scott Lees, Sir Elliott (Birkenhead) Skewes-Cox, Thomas
Dimsdale, Rt. Hn. Sir J. C. Legge, Col. Hon. Heneage Smith, HC(North'mb.Tyneside
Disraeli, Coningsby Ralph Leveson-Gower, FrederickN.S. Smith, RtHnJParker (Lanarks
Doughty, Sir George Llewellyn, Evan Henry Smith, Hon. W. F. D.(Strand)
Douglas, Rt. Hn. A. Akers- Lockwood, Lieut.-Col. A. R. Spear, John Ward
Duke, Henry Edward Long, Rt.Hn. Walter(Bristol,S Stewart, Sir M. J. M'Taggart
Faber, Edmund B. (Hants., W. Lowe, Francis William Stirling-Maxwell, Sir John M.
Faber, George Denison (York) Loyd, Archie Kirkman Stock, James Henry
Fellowes, RtHnAilwynEdward Lucas, Col. Francis (Lowestoft Stone, Sir Benjamin
Finch, Rt. Hn. George H. Lucas, Reginald J.(Portsm'th) Stroyan, John
Finlay, Sir R.B(Inv'rn'ssB'ghs Lyttelton, Rt. Hon. Alfred Strutt, Hon. Charles Hedley
Fisher, William Hayes Macdona, John Cumming Talbot, Lord E. (Chichester)
Forster, Henry William MacIver, David (Liverpool Talbot, Rt.Hn.J.G.(Oxf'dUniv
Foster, Philip S.(Warwick,S.W. Maconochie, A. W. Taylor, Austin (East Toxteth)
Galloway, William Johnson M'Arthur, Charles (Liverpool) Thorburn, Sir Walter
Gardner, Ernest M'Iver, SirLewis(EdinburghW Tollemache, Henry James
Garfit, William M'Killop, James (Stirlingshire) Tomlinson, Sir Wm. Edw. M.
Gibbs, Hon. A. G. H. Malcolm, Ian Tuff, Charles
Godson, Sir Augustus Fredk. Marks, Harry Hananel Tufnell, Lieut-Col. Edward
Gordon, Hn. J E(Elgin&Nairn) Martin, Richard Biddulph Tuke, Sir John Batty
Gordon, Maj Evans(T'rH'mlets Meyesy-Thompson, Sir H. M. Turnour, Viscount
Goulding, Edward Alfred Middlemore, J. Throgmorton Vincent, Col SirCEH(Sheffield)
Graham, Henry Robert Mildmay, Francis Bingham Vincent, Sir Edgar (Exeter)
Gray, Ernest (West Ham) Milvain, Thomas Walrond, Rt. Hn. Sir Wm. H.
Greene, H. D. (Shrewsbury) Molesworth, Sir Lewis Warde, Colonel C. E.
Greene, W. Raymond (Cambs Montagu, G. (Huntingdon) Welby, Lt, Col. A C E(Taunton
Greville, Hon. Ronald Moon, Edward Robert Pacy Welby, Sir Chas. G.E. (Notts.
Guthrie, Walter Murray Morgan, D. J. (Walthamstow) Wentworth, Bruce C. Vernon-
Hall, Edward Marshall Morrell, George Herbert Whiteley, H. (Ashton undLyne
Hambro, Charles Eric Morton, Arthur H. Aylmer Whitmore, Charles Algernon
Hamilton, Marq.of (L'donderry Mount, William Arthur Williams, Colonel R. (Dorset
Hardy, Laurence(Kent, Ashford Mowbray, Sir Robert Gray C. Willoughby de Eresby, Lord
Hare, Thomas Leigh Murray, Chas. J. (Coventry) Wilson, A. Stanley (York, E.R.
Hay, Hon. Claude George Parkes, Ebenezer Wilson, John (Glasgow)
Heath, Arthur Howard(Hanley Peel, Hn.Wm. RobertWellesley Wolff, Gustav Wilhelm
Heath, Sir Jas.(Staffords.N.W. Percy, Earl Wrightson, Sir Thomas
Henderson, Sir A. (Stafford, W. Pierpoint, Robert Wyndham-Quin, Col. W. H.
Hermon-Hodge, Sir Robert T. Pilkington, Colonel Richard TELLERS FOR THE AYES—Mr.
Hill, Henry Staveley Plummer, Sir Walter R. Alexander Acland-Hood and
Hogg, Lindsay Powell, Sir Francis Sharp Viscount Valentia.
Hoult, Joseph Pretyman, Ernest George
Pryce-Jones, Lt.-Col. Edward
Abraham, Wm. (Cork, N.E.) Allen, Charles P. Barlow, John Emmott
Abraham, Wm. (Rhondda) Ashton, Thomas Gair Beaumont, Wentworth C.
Ainsworth, John Stirling Baker, Joseph Allen Black, Alexander William
Boland, John Isaacs, Rufus Daniel Reddy, M.
Bolton, Thomas Dolling Jones, Leif (Appleby) Redmond, John E. (Waterford)
Brigg, John Jones, William (Carnarvonshire Rickett, J. Compton
Bright, Allan Heywood Joyce, Michael Roberts, John Bryn (Eifion)
Broadhurst, Henry Kennedy, Vincent P (Cavan,W Robson, William Snowdon
Brown, George M.(Edinburgh) Kitson, Sir James Roe, Sir Thomas
Bryce, Rt. Hon. James Lambert, George Rose, Charles Day
Burke, E. Haviland- Law, Hugh. Alex (Donegal, W. Runciman, Walter
Burt, Thomas Lawson, Sir Wilfrid (Cornwall Russell, T. W.
Buxton, NE(York,NRWhitby) Layland, Barratt, Francis Samuel, Herb. L. (Cleveland)
Caldwell, James Leese, Sir J. F. (Accrington) Samuel, S. M. (Whitechapel)
Campbell, John (Armagh, S.) Levy, Maurice Seely, Maj.J.E.B.(Isle of Wight
Causton, Richard Knight Lewis, John Herbert Shackleton, David James
Cawley, Frederick Lough, Thomas Shaw, Chas. Edw. (Stafford)
Channing, Francis Allston Lundon, W. Shaw, Thomas (Hawick, B.)
Cheetham, John Frederick Lyell, Charles Henry Sheehy, David
Condon, Thomas Joseph MacNeill, John Gordon Swift Shipman, Dr. John G.
Cremer, William Randal MacVeagh, Jeremiah Sinclair, John (Forfarshire)
Cullinan, J. M'Crae, George Slack, John Bamford
Davies, M. Vaughan (Cardigan M'Kean, John Smith, Samuel (Flint)
Delany, William M'Kenna, Reginald Soames, Arthur Wellesley
Dilke, Rt. Hon. Sir Charles M'Laren, Sir Charles Benjamin Soares, Ernest J.
Dobbie, Joseph Mansfield, Horace Rendall Spencer, Rt. Hn C R(Northants
Doogan, P. C. Markham, Arthur Basil Stanhope, Hon. Philip James
Douglas, Charles M. (Lanark) Mooney, John J. Stevenson, Francis S.
Duncan, J. Hastings Morgan, J. Lloyd (Carmarthen) Sullivan, Donal
Edwards, Frank Moss, Samuel Taylor, Theodore C. (Radcliffe)
Elibank, Master of Moulton, John Fletcher Tennant, Harold John
Ellice, Capt E C(SAndrw'sBghs Murphy, John Thomas, Abel (Carmarthen, E.
Emmott, Alfred Nolan, Col. John P. (Galway,N. Thomas, Sir A. (Glamorgan, E.
Evans, Samuel T. (Glamorgan) Nolan, Joseph (Louth, South) Thomas, David A. (Merthyr)
Eve, Harry Trelawney Norman, Henry Thomson, F. W. (York, W.R.)
Fenwick, Charles Nussey, Thomas Willans Toulmin, George
Findlay, Alex. (Lanark,N.E.) O'Brien, K. (Tipperary Mid. Trevelyan, Charles Philips
Flavin, Michael Joseph O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny) Walton, Joseph (Barnsley)
Flynn, James Christopher O'Brien, P. J. (Tipperary, N.) Wason, Eugene (Clackmannan
Foster, Sir Walter (Derby Co. O'Connor, James (Wicklow.W. Wason, John Cathcart(Orkney
Freeman-Thomas, Captain F. O'Dowd, John Weir, James Galloway
Fuller, J. M. F. O'Kelly, Conor (Mayo, N.) White, George (Norfolk)
Griffith, Ellis J. D'Malley, William White, Luke (York, E.R.)
Gurdon, Sir W. Brampton O'Mara, James Whiteley, George (York, W.R.
Hammond, John O'Shaughnessy, P. J. Whitley, J. H. (Halifax)
Hardie, J. Keir(MerthyrTydvil Partington, Oswald Whittaker, Thomas Palmer
Harmsworth, R. Leicester Pearson, Sir Weetman D. Williams, Osmond (Merioneth)
Harwood, George Perks, Robert William Wilson, Chas. Henry (Hull, W.)
Hayden, John Patrick Philipps, John Wynford Wilson, Fred (Norfolk, Mid.)
Helme, Norval Watson Pirie, Duncan V. Wilson, John (Durham, Mid.)
Henderson, Arthur (Durham) Power, Patrick Joseph Woodhouse, SirJT (Hudd'rsfi'd
Higham, John Sharp Price, Robert John
Hobhouse, C. E. H. (Bristol, E. Priestley, Arthur TELLERS FOR THE NOES—Mr.
Hutchinson, Dr. Chas. Fredk. Rea, Russell Herbert Gladstone and Mr.
Hutton, Alfred E. (Morley) Reckitt, Harold James William M'Arthur.

Clause 9

The Committee divided:—Ayes, 204; Noes, 150. (Division List No. 273.)

Agg-Gardner, James Tynte Arkwright, John Stanhope Aubrey-Fletcher, Rt. Hn.SirH
Allhusen, Augustus Henry E. Arrol, Sir William Bagot, Capt. JoscelineFitzRoy
Anson, Sir William Reynell Atkinson, Rt. Hn. John Bailey, James (Walworth)

Question put, "That the clause stand part of the Bill."

Bain, Colonel James Robert Greene, H. D. (Shrewsbury) Parkes, Ebenezer
Balcarres, Lord Greene, W. Raymond(Cambs) Peel, Hn. Wm. Robt Wellesley
Balfour, Rt. Hn. AJ(Manch'r) Greville, Hon. Ronald Percy, Earl
Balfour, Capt. C.B(Hornsey) Guthrie, Walter Murray Pierpoint, Robert
Balfour, RtHn Gerald W(Leeds Hall, Edward Marshall Pilkington, Colonel Richard
Balfour, Kenneth R. (Christch. Hambro, Charles Eric Plummer, Sir Walter R.
Banbury, Sir Frederick George Hamilton, Marq.of (L'donderry Powell, Sir Francis Sharp
Bathurst, Hon. AllenBenjamin Hardy, L. (Kent, Ashford) Pretyman, Ernest George
Bentinck, Lord Henry C. Hare, Thomas Leigh Pryce, Jones, Lt. Col. Edward
Bhownaggree, Sir M. M. Hay, Hon. Claude George Purvis, Robert
Bignold, Sir Arthur Heath, ArthurHoward(Hanley Pym., C. Guy.
Bigwood, James Heath, SirJames (StaffordsNW Rankin, Sir James
Bill, Charles Henderson, Sir A. (Stafford,W Ratcliff, R. F.
Bingham, Lord Hermon-Hodge, Sir Robert T. Reed, Sir Edw. James (Cardiff
Blundell, Colonel Henry Hill, Henry Staveley Reid, James (Greenock)
Bowles, Lt.-Col.HF(Middlesex) Hogg, Lindsay Remnant, James Farquharson
Brassey, Albert Hoult, Joseph Renwick, George
Brodrick, Rt, Hon. St. John Houston, Robert Paterson Ridley, S. Forde
Brotherton, Edward Allen Howard, J. (Kent, Faversham Robertson, Herb. (Hackney)
Brown, Sir Alex. H. (Shropsh.) Hozier, Hn. James HenryCecil Rolleston, Sir John F. L.
Brymer, William Ernest Hunt, Rowland Round, Rt. Hon. James
Butcher, John George Jameson, Major J. Eustace Royds, Clement Molyneux
Carson, Rt. Hn. Sir Edw. H. Jebb, Sir Richard Claverhouse Rutherford, John (Lancashire
Cautley, Henry Strother Jeffreys, Rt.Hn. Arthur Fred Rutherford, W.W. (Liverpool)
Cavendish, V.C.W.(Derbysh.) Jessel, Captain HerbertMerton Sackville, Col. S. G. Stopford
Cecil, Evelyn (Aston Manor) Kenyon, Hon.Geo.T.(Denbigh.) Sadler, Col. Samuel Alexander
Cecil, Lord Hugh (Greenwich) Kenyon-Slaney.Rt.Hon.Col.W Sharpe, William Edward T.
Chamberlain, RtHnJ.A.(Worc Kerr, John Skewes-Cox, Thomas
Chapman, Edward Keswick, William Smith,HC(North'mb,Tyneside)
Clive, Captain Percy A. King, Sir Henry Seymour Smith, R.HnJParker(Lanarks)
Coates, Edward Feetham Lambton, Hn. Frederick Wm. Smith, Samuel (Flint)
Cochrane, Hon. Thos. H. A. E. Laurie, Lieut.- General Smith, Hn. W. F. D. (Strand)
Coghill, Douglas Harry Law, Andrew Bonar (Glasgow] Spear, John Ward
Colston, Chas. Edw. H. Athole Lawson, Hn.H.L.W.(Mile End) Stewart, Sir M. J. M'Taggart
Compton, Lord Alwyne Lee, ArthurH. (Hants,Fareham Stirling-Maxwell, Sir John M.
Cook, Sir Frederick Lucas Lees, Sir Elliott (Birkenhead) Stock, James Henry
Corbett, A. Cameron (Glasgow) Legge, Col. Hon. Heneage Stone, Sir Benjamin
Cross, Alexander (Glasgow) Leveson-Gower, Frederick N.S. Stroyan, John
Dalkeith, Earl of Llewellyn, Evan Henry Strutt, Hn. Charles Hedley
Davenport, W. Bromley Lockwood, Lieut.-Col. A. R. Talbot, Lord E. (Chichester)
Davies, Sir H. D. (Chatham) Long, Rt.Hn.Walter(Bristol,S.) Tulbot, Rt.Hn.J.G(Oxf'dUniv)
Denny, Colonel Lowe, Francis William Taylor, Austen (EastToxteth)
Dickinson, Robert Edmond Loyd, Archie Kirkman Thorburn, Sir Walter
Dickson, Charles Scott Lucas, Col. Francis(Lowestoft Tollemache, Henry James
Dimsdale, Rt. Hn. Sir JosephC Lucas, Reginald J. (Portsm'th) Tomlinson, Sir Wm. Edw. M.
Disraeli, Coningsby Ralph Lyttelton, Rt. Hon. Alfred Tuff, Charles
Doughty, Sir George Macdona, John Cumming Tufnell, Lieut.-Col. Edward
Douglas, Rt. Hn. A. Akers MacIver, David (Liverpool) Tuke, Sir John Batty
Faber, Edmund B. (Hants, W. Maconochie, A. W. Turnour, Viscount
Faber, George Denison (York) M'Arthur, Chas. (Liverpool) Vincent, Col.Sir CEH(Sheffield)
Fellowes, Rt. Hn.Ailwyn Edw. M'Iver, Sir Lewis(EdinburghW Walrond, Rt. Hn. Sir Wm. H.
Finch, Rt. Hn. George H. M'Killop, James (Stirlingshire) Warde, Colonel C. E.
Finlay,SirR.B.(Inv'rn'ssB'ghs) Malcolm, Ian Welby,Lt.-Col. A.C.E(Taunton)
Fisher, William Hayes Marks, Harry Hananel Welby, Sir Chas. G. E.(Notts.)
Forster, Henry William Martin, Richard Biddulph Wentworth, Bruce C. Vernon
Foster, Philip S.(WarwickS.W. Meysey-Thompson, Sir H. M. Whiteley, H.(Ashton undLyne)
Galloway, William Johnson Middlemore, J. Throgmorton Whitmore, Charles Algernon
Gardner, Ernest Mildmay, Francis Bingham Williams, Colonel R. (Dorset)
Garfit, William Milvain, Thomas Willoughby de Eresby, Lord
Gibbs, Hn. A. G. H. Molesworth, Sir Lewis Wilson, A.Stanley(York, E.R.)
Godson, Sir Augustus Fredk. Montagu, G. (Huntingdon) Wilson, John (Glasgow)
Gordon, Hn. J.E(Elgin&Nairn Moon, Edward Robert Pacy Wolff, Gustav Wilhelm
Gordon,Maj.Evans(T'rH'mlets Morgan, D. J. (Walthamstow) Wrightson, Sir Thomas
Goulding, Edward Alfred Morrell, George Herbert TELLERS FOR THE AYES—Mr.
Graham, Henry Robert Morton, Arthur H. Aylmer Alexander Acland-Hood and
Gray, Ernest (West Ham) Murray, Charles J. (Coventry) Viscount Valentia.
Abraham, Wm. (Cork, M. E.) Helme, Norval Watson Rea, Russell
Ainsworth, John Stirling Henderson, Arthur (Durham) Reckitt, Harold James
Allen, Charles P. Higham, John Sharp Reddy, M.
Ashton, Thomas Gair Hobhouse, C. E. H.(Bristol, E. Redmond, John E.(Waterford)
Baker, Joseph Allen Hutchinson, Dr. Chas. Fredk. Rickett, J. Compton
Barlow, John Emmott Hutton, Alfred E (Morley) Roberts, John Bryn (Eifion)
Beaumont, Wentworth C. B. Jones, Leif (Appleby) Roe, Sir Thomas
Black, Alexander William Jones, William(Carnarvonshire Rose, Charles Day
Boland, John Joyce, Michael Runciman, Walter
Bolton, Thomas Dolling Kennedy, Vincent P (Cavan,W Russell, T. W.
Brigg, John Kitson, Sir James Samuel, Herb. L. (Cleveland)
Bright, Allan Heywood Lambert, George Samuel, S. M. (Whitechapel)
Broadhurst, Henry Law, Hugh Alex. (Donegal, W. Seely,Maj.J.E.B.(Isle of Wight)
Brown, George M. (Edinburgh] Lawson, Sir Wilfrid (Cornwall) Shackleton, David James
Bryce, Rt. Hn. James Layland-Barratt, Francis Shaw, Charles Edw. (Stafford)
Burke, E. Haviland Leese, Sir J. F. (Accrington) Shaw, Thomas (Hawick, B.)
Burt, Thomas Levy, Maurice Sheehy, David
Buxton, N.E(York, NRWhitby Lewis, John Herbert Shipman, Dr. John G.
Caldwell, James Lundon, W. Sinclair, John (Forfarshire)
Campbell, John (Armagh, S.) Lyell, Charles Henry Slack, John Bamford
Causton, Richard Knight MacNeill, John Gordon Swift Soares, Ernest J.
Cawley, Frederick MacVeagh, Jeremiah Spencer,Rt.Hn.C.R. (Northants
Channing, Francis Allston M'Arthur, William (Cornwall) Stanhope, Hon. Philip James
Cheetham, John Frederick M'Crae, George Stevenson, Francis S.
Condon, Thomas Joseph M'Kean, John Sullivan, Donal
Cremer, William Randal M'Laren, Sir Charles Benjamin Taylor, Theodore C. (Radcliffe)
Cullinan, J. Mansfield, Horace Rendall Tennant, Harold John
Davies, M. Vaughan (Cardigan) Markham, Arthur Basil Thomas, Abel (Carmarthen, E.
Delany, William Mooney, John J. Thomas, Sir A. (Glamorgan, E)
Dilke, Rt. Hn. Sir Charles Morgan, J. Lloyd (Carmarthen) Thomas, David A. (Merthyr)
Dobbie, Joseph Moss, Samuel Thomson, F. W. (York, W.R.)
Doogan, P. C. Moulton, John Fletcher Toulmin, George
Douglas, Chas. M. (Lanark) Murphy, John Walton, Joseph (Barnsley)
Duncan, J. Hastings Nolan, Col. John P.(Galway,N) Wason, Eugene (Clackmannan)
Edwards, Frank Nolan, Joseph (Louth, South) Wason, John Cathcart(Orkney
Elibank, Master of Nussey, Thomas Willans Weir, James Galloway
Ellice,Capt.E.C(SAndrw'sBghs O'Brien, K. (Tipperary Mid.) White, George (Norfolk)
Emmott, Alfred O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny) White, Luke, (York, E. R.)
Evans, Samuel T. (Glamorgan) O'Brien, P. J. (Tipperary, N.) Whitley, George (York, W.R.
Eve, Harry Trelawney O'Connor, James (Wicklow, W. Whitley, J. H. (Halifax)
Fenwick, Charles O'Dowd, John Whittaker, Thomas Palmer
Findlay, Alex. (Lanark, N E.) O'Kelly, Conor (Mayo, N.) Williams, Osmond (Merioneth)
Flavin, Michael Joseph O'Malley, William Wilson, Chas. Henry (Hull,W.)
Foster, Sir Walter (Derby Co.) O'Mara, James Wilson, Fred W.(Norfolk,Mid.)
Freeman-Thomas, Captain F. O'Shaughnessy, P. J. Wilson, John (Durham, Mid.)
Gladstone, Rt. Hn. Herb. John Partington, Oswald Woodhouse,SirJ.T(Hudd'rsf'd)
Griffith, Ellis J. Pearson, Sir Weetman D.
Gurdon, Sir W. Brampton Philipps, John Wynford TELLERS FOR THE NORES—
Hammond, John Pirie, Duncan V. Mr. Keir Hardie and Mr.
Harmsworth, R. Leicester Power, Patrick Joseph William Abraham (Rhondda)
Harwood, George Price, Robert John
Hayden, John Patrick Priestley, Arthur

Clause 10.

Question put, "That the clause stand part of the Bill"

The Committee proceeded to a Division.

Sir A. Acland - Hood and Viscount Valentia were appointed Tellers for the Ayes, but no Members being willing to act as Tellers for the Noes the Chairman declared the Ayes had it.

Question put, "That the Chairman do report the Bill, as amended, to the House."

Agg-Gardner, James Tynte Fisher, William Hayes M'Arthur, Charles (Liverpool)
Allhusen, AugustusHenryEden Forster, Henry William M'Ivor,SirLowis(Edinburgh,W.
Anson, Sir William Reynell Foster, Philip S. (Warwick, SW M'Killop, James (Stirlingshire
Arkwright, John Stanhope Galloway, William Johnson Malcolm, Ian
Arrol, Sir William Gardner, Ernest Marks, Harry Hananel
Atkinson, Rt. Hon. John Garfit, William Martin, Richard Biddulplh
Aubrey-Fletcher.Rt. Hn. Sir H. Gibbs, Hon. A. G. H. Meysey-Thompson, Sir H. M.
Bagot, Capt. Josceline FilzRoy Godson, Sir Augustus Fredk. Middlemore,John Throgmorton
Bailey, James (Walworth) Gordon, Hn.J.E(Elgin & Nairn Mildmay, Francis Bingham
Bain, Colonel James Robert Gordon.Maj. Evans (T'rH m'ts Milvain, Thomas
Balcarres, Lord Goulding, Edward Alfred Molesworth, Sir Lewis
Balfour, Rt. Hn. A. J.(Manc'r Graham, Henry Robert Montagu, G. (Huntingdon)
Balfour, Capt. C. B. (Hornsey Gray, Ernest (West Ham) Moon, Edward Robert Pacy
Balfour, Rt. Hn.G. W.(Leeds) Greene, H. D. (Shrewsbury) Morgan, D. J. (Walthamstow
Balfour,Kenneth R.(Christch. Greene, W. Raymond (Cambs. Morrell, George Herbert
Banbury,SirFrederick George Greville, Hon. Ronald Morton, Arthur H. Aylmer
Bathurst, Hn. Allen Benjamin Guthrie, Walter Murray Murray, Charles J. (Coventry)
Bentinck, Lord Henry C. Hall, Edward Marshall Parkes, Ebenezer
Bhownaggree, Sir M. M. Hamilton, Marq of ((L'nd'nd'ry Peel, Hn. Wm. R. Wellesley
Bignold, Sir Arthur Hardy, Laurence(Kent, Ashford Percy, Earl
Bingham, Lord Hare, Thomas Leigh Pierpoint, Robert
Blundell, Colonel Henry Hay, Hon. Claude George Plummer, Sir Walter R.
Bowles, Lt.-Col. H.F (Middl'x Heath, Arthur Howard(Hanley Powell, Sir Francis Sharp
Brodrick, Rt. Hon. St. John Heath, Sir J. (Staffords, N.W. Pretyman, Ernest George
Brotherton, Edward Allen Henderson, Sir A (Stafford, W Pryce-Jones, Lt.-Col. Edward
Brown, Sir Alex. H. (Shropsh.) Hermon-Hodge, Sir Robert T. Purvis, Robert
Brymer, William Ernest Hill, Henry Staveley Pym, C. Guy
Butcher, John George Hogg, Lindsay Rankin, Sir James
Carson, Rt. Hn. Sir Edw. H. Hoult, Joseph Ratcliff, R. F.
Cautley, Henry Strother Houston, Robert Paterson Reed, Sir Edw. James (Cardiff)
Cavendish, V.C. W.(Derbyshire Howard, J. (Kent, Faversham Reid, James (Greenock)
Cecil, Evelyn (Aston Manor) Hozier, Hn. Jas. Henry Cecil Remnant, James Farquharson
Chamberlain, Rt.Hn JA(Worc. Hunt, Rowland Renwick, George
Chapman, Edward Jebb, Sir Richard Claverhouse Ridley, S. Forde
Clive, Captain Percy A. Jeffreys, Rt. Hon. Arthur Fred Robertson, Herbert (Hackney
Coates, Edward Feetham Jessel, Captain Herbert Merton Royds, Clemeut Molyneux
Cochrane, Hon. Thos. H. A. E. Kenyon, Hn. G. T. (Denbigh) Rutherford, John (Lancashire
Coghill, Douglas Harry Kenyon-Slaney, Rt. Hn. Col.W Rutherford, W. W. (Liverpool
Colston, Chas. E. H. Athole Kerr, John Sackville, Col. S.G. Stopford
Compton, Lord Alwyne Keswick, William Sadler, Col. Samuel Alexander
Cook, Sir Frederick Lucas King, Sir Henry Seymour Sharpe, William Edward T.
Corbett, A. Cameron (Glasgow Laurie, Lieut.-General Skewes-Cox, Thomas
Cross, Alexander (Glasgow) Law, Andrew Bonar (Glasgow) Smith, HC.(North'mb.Tyneside
Dalkeith, Earl of Lawson, Hn. H. L.W.(Mile End Smith,Rt Hn J Parker(Lanarks
Davenport, William Bromley Lee, A. H. (Hants., Fareham Smith, Hon. W. F. D, (Strand)
Davies,SirHoratio D, (Chatham Legge, Col. Hon. Heneage Spear, John Ward
Denny, Colonel Leveson-Gower, Frederick N.S Stewart, Sir Mark J.M'Taggart
Dickinson, Robert Edmond Lewellyn, Evan Henry Stock, James Henry
Dickson, Charles Scott Lockwood, Lieut.-Col. A. R. Stone, Sir Benjamin
Dimsdale, Rt.Hn. Sir Joseph C. Long,Rt.Hn.Walter(Bristol, S. Stroyan, John
Disraeli, Coningsby Ralph Lowe, Francis William Strutt, Hon.Charles Hedley
Doughty, Sir George Loyd, Archie Kirkman Talbot, Lord E. (Chichester)
Douglas, Rt. Hon. A Akers- Lucas, Col. P. (Lowestoft) Talbot, RtHnJ G (Oxf'd Univ
Faber, Edmund B. (Hants, W.) Lucas, Reginald J.(Portsmouth Taylor, Austin (East Toxteth)
Faber, George Denison (York) Lyttelton, Rt. Hon. Alfred Thorburn, Sir Walter
Fellowes,RtHn AilwynEdward Macdona, John Cumming Tollemache, Henry James
Finch, Rt. Hon. George H. MacIver, David (Liverpool) Tomlinson, Sir Wm. Edw. M.
Finlay,SirR. B. (Inv'rn'ss B'ghs Maconochie, A. W. Tuff, Charles

The Committee divided:—Ayes, 189; Noes, 132. (Division List No. 274.)

Tufnell, Lieut,-Col. Edward Welby,SirCharlesG.E.(Notts.) Wrightson, Sir Thomas
Tuke, Sir John Batty Wentworth, Bruce C. Vernon
Turnour, Viscount Whiteley, H. (Ashton undLyne TELLERS FOR THE AYES—Sir
Vincent,Col.Sir C E H(Sheffield Williams, Colonel R. (Dorset) Alexander Acland-Hood and
Walrond, Rt. Hn. Sit Wm. H. Willoughby de Eresby, Lord Viscount Valentia.
Warde, Colonel C. E. Wilson, A. Stanley (York, E. R
Welby, Lt.-Col. A C E(Taunton Wilson, John (Glasgow)
Abraham, William (Cork, N.E. Higham, John Sharp Reckitt, Harold James
Abraham, William (Rhondda Hobhouse, C. E. H. (Bristol, E. Reddy, M.
Ainsworth, John Stirling Hutchinson, Dr. Charles Fredk. Redmond, John E. (Waterford
Allen, Charles P. Hutton, Alfred E. (Morley) Rickett, J. Compton
Ashton, Thomas Gair Jones, Leif (Appleby) Roberts, John Bryn (Eifion)
Baker, Joseph Allen Jones, Wm. (Carnarvonshire Roe, Sir Thomas
Barlow, John Emmott Joyce, Michael Rose, Charles Day
Black, Alexander William Kennedy, Vincent P. (Cavan.W Russell, T. W.
Boland, John Kitson, Sir James Samuel, Herb. L. (Cleveland)
Bolton, Thomas Dolling Law, Hugh Alex. (Donegal,W. Samuel, S. M. (Whitechapel)
Brigg, John Lawson, Sir Wilfrid (Cornwall Shackleton, David James
Bright, Allan Heywood Layland-Barratt, Francis Shaw, Chas. Edw. (Stafford)
Brown, George M. (Edinburgh) Leese, Sir J. F. (Accrington) Shaw, Thomas (Hawick B.)
Burke, E. Haviland Levy, Maurice Sheehy, David
Burt, Thomas Lewis, John Herbert Shipman, Dr. John G.
Buxton,N.E.(York,NRWhitby Lundon, W. Sinclair, John (Forfarshire)
Caldwell, James Lyell, Charles Henry Slack, John Bamford
Campbell, John (Armagh, S.) MacVeagh, Jeremiah Smith, Samuel (Flint)
Causton, Richard Knight M'Arthur, William (Cornwall) Spencer,Rt.Hn CR (Northants
Cawley, Frederick M'Crae, George Stanhope, Hn. Philip James
Channing, Francis Allston M'Laren, Sir Chas. Benjamin Stevenson, Francis S.
Cheetham, John Frederick Mansfield, Horace Rendall Sullivan, Donal
Condon, Thomas Joseph Markham, Arthur Basil Taylor, Theodore C. (Radcliffe)
Cremer, William Randal Mooney, John J. Thomas, Abel (Carmarthen, E)
Cullinan, J. Morgan, J. Lloyd (Carmarthen Thomas, Sir A (Glamorgan, E
Davies, M. Vaughan-(Cardigan Moss, Samuel Thomas,DavidAlfred(Mertliyr)
Delany, William Moulton, John Fletcher Thomson, F. W.(York, W. R.)
Dilke, Rt. Hon. Sir Charles Murphy, John Toulmin, George
Dobbie, Joseph Nolan, Col. John P. (Galway,N Walton, Joseph (Barnsley)
Doogan, P. C. Nolan, Joseph (Louth, South) Wason, Eugene (Clackmannan)
Douglas, Charles M. (Lanark) O'Brien, K. (Tipperary Mid.) Wason, John Cathcart (Orkney
Edwards, Frank O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny) Weir, James Galloway
Elibank, Master of O'Brien, P. J. (Tipperary, N.) White, George (Norfolk)
Ellice,Capt.EC(SAndrw'sB'ghs O'Connor, Jas. (Wicklow, W.) White, Luke (York, E.R.)
Eve, Harry Trelawney O'Dowd, John Whiteley, George (York, W.R.
Fenwick, Charles O'Kelly, Conor (Mayo, N.) Whittaker, Thomas Palmer
Findlay, Alex. (Lanark, N.E. O'Malley, William Williams, Osmond (Merioneth)
Flavin, Michael Joseph O'Mara, James Wilson, Chas. Henry (Hull, W)
Foster, Sir Walter (Derby Co. O'Shaughnessy, P. J. Wilson, Fred. W.(Norfolk, Mid
Gladstone, Rt.Hn.HerbertJohn Partington, Oswald Wilson, John (Durham, Mid.)
Griffith, Ellis J. Pearson, Sir Weetman D. Woodhouse, SirJT(Huddesf'd.
Hammond, John Philipps John Wynford
Harwood, George Pirie, Duncan V. TELLERS FOR THE NOES—Mr.
Hayden, John Patrick Power, Patrick Joseph Samuel Evans and Mr. Keir
Helme, Norval Watson Priestley, Arthur Hardie.
Henderson, Arthur (Durham) Rea, Russell

Bill reported, as amended, to be considered upon Monday next, and to be printed. [Bill 271.]

And, it being One of the clock, Mr. SPEAKER adjourned the House, without Question put, pursuant to the Standing Order.

Adjourned at one o'clock.