ALIENS BILL,

HC Deb 11 July 1905 vol 149 cc289-332

Considered in Committee.

(In the Committee.)

[Mr. GRANT LAWSON (Yorkshire, N.R. Thirsk) in the Chair.]

Clause 4:—

MR. EMMOTT (Oldham)

said that the Amendment he had to move stood in the name of four hon. Members on that side and two on the Government side of the House. He observed that the Home Secretary had given notice of a very important Amendment on this sub-section, and if the right hon. Gentleman had not done so he would have had a very easy case to show the great hardship which the clause, as it stood, would inflict on the shipping trade. He thought it was scandalous that the Government should have suggested that the master or owner of a ship should undertake the task of deporting an immigrant who had been allowed to enter into this country. No fault could be imputed to the master or the owner; if any fault was to be imputed it should be to the immigration officer who had allowed the immigrant to land. He would not go further into the monstrous proposition contained in the Bill as it stood; but he presumed he would be in order in discussing the sub-section as it would be altered when the Amendment to be proposed by the Home Secretary was carried.

THE CHAIRMAN

The hon. Member cannot do that until the Amendment is proposed.

MR. EMMOTT

said that he would, then, best consult the convenience of the Committee by simply pointing out what a monstrous proposition this was in the Bill as originally drawn. He formally moved.

Amendment proposed— In page 3, line 39, to leave out Subsection (2)."—(Mr. Emmott.)

Question proposed, "That the words 'If an expulsion order be made in the case of any alien' stand part of the clause."

MR. CHARLES McARTHUR (Liverpool, Exchange)

said he would ask the Home Secretary to reconsider this clause. He quite recognised that the right hon. Gentleman had put an Amendment on the Paper which would to some considerable extent meet the objection referred to by the hon. Member for Oldham. His own objection to the clause was that it was fundamentally wrong in principle. It proceeded on the supposition that a shipmaster who had brought an immigrant into the United Kingdom, which immigrant had been wrongfully admitted, was to be responsible for the good behaviour of that immigrant for six months and then return him free to the port of embarkation. A shipmaster was not gifted with prescience or the power of reading the secret thoughts of a passenger on his ship; and how could he tell what that passenger was going to do during the ensuing six months? He must protest against some remarks that had been made from his own side of the House as to the responsibility of the shipping trade in this matter. The immigrant trade was a legitimate trade, and, if it was to be interfered with for the benefit of the public at large no disadvantage should be thrown on the shipmaster or owner. He was glad that the Government was showing a conciliatory spirit on this point, and the concession made by the Home Secretary to meet the views of the shipping trade had given some satisfaction; but he hoped the right hon. Gentleman would again look at this provision with the view of making a further concession to the shipmaster who himself had no power to refuse an immigrant. Supposing a shipmaster had left his old employer, was he to be followed up and held responsible for the behaviour of an immigrant over whom he had no control and who had been passed by the immigration officer? Shipmasters were not represented in that Assembly, and on that account they had a right to considerate treatment. He asked the Home Secretary, if he could not remove this provision altogether, to join the agent and owner in responsibility with the shipmaster.

MR. STUART SAMUEL (Tower Hamlets, Whitechapel)

said he did not know what steps the Home Secretary proposed in order to recover from the master of a ship all the heavy liability it was proposed to impose upon him. He admired the ingenuity of the right hon. Gentleman, but why should it not proceed further? Why should not a cabman be responsible for a drunk or disorderly fare; and why should not the right hon. Gentleman be responsible for breaches of the Factory Acts? The sub-section seemed to be a rough and ready means of shifting responsibility. The Bill proposed to impose so many extraordinary provisions that a little injustice here and there would not be noticed by the public, and they would get accustomed to it. As the sub-section stood, it would make the master an accessory before the fact in the event of crime being committed.

MR. CHURCHILL (Oldham)

said that the Amendment on the Paper conceded the whole substance of the words the right hon. Gentleman proposed to leave out. It was admitted that 92 per cent, of the immigrants entered the principal ports; and, as far as that proportion was concerned, there would be no liability on the part of the shipmaster. On the other hand, the master of a ship would be liable for aliens landed at other ports. That seemed to him very unusual; and, in his opinion, destroyed the great safeguard which the right hon. Gentleman desired. Did the right hon. Gentleman seriously mean that the shipmaster should be responsible for a foreigner he brought into this country. He did not believe that the Government intended to make themselves responsible for such a proposition. The right hon. Gentleman. had given away one handle he had over the shipping companies; and, at the same time, left this absurd anomaly in his Bill. Was it worth while to proceed with the rest of the clause which imposed on shipmasters such an unjust liability? Take the case of a cabin passenger who crossed from Calais to Dover. There would be no record regarding him. By what conceivable method could the chain of responsibility be established? He would suggest to the right hon. Gentleman that the purpose of the Bill would not be altered if the words proposed to be left out were omitted.

THE SECRETARY OF STATE FOR THE HOME DEPARTMENT (Mr. AKERS-DOUGLAS,) Kent, St. Augustine's

said that there were other reasons for the retention of the sub-section than those which had been alluded to.

*MR. CHARLES WILSON (Hull, W.)

said that in his opinion this subjection went much further than the Home Secretary imagined. He would remind the Committee that on a modern ship there was plenty of work for the shipmaster to do without having the additional obligation of looking after immigrants or transmigrants on board. If the sub-section remained in the Bill the result, would be that that master might be liable not for one immigrant but for, perhaps, a hundred of them. That fact, surely, showed the absurdity of the proposal. He did not believe that the Home Secretary wished to do anything to damage the shipping trade of this country; but why all these traps for the shipowners and masters? This sort of legislation practically put the shipowners in the hands of the surveyors, and he could say from his own experience that a shipowner in such hands had a very bad time indeed. The Government were going to give one or two millions to the Cunard Company to build some of the finest ships in the world; and these ships would probably carry fifteen hundred or two thousand passengers. How was it possible for the shipmaster to know the peculiarities of all these people? The shipmaster was also to be responsible for taking expelled aliens back to their country of origin. What was he to do with them if they were refused readmission? Apparently he and they would be in the case of the Flying Dutchman, and have to go backwards and forwards for ever. The measure was full of absurdities, anomalies, and unnecessary restrictions. He hoped the Government would recognise the difficulties which the sub-section would place them and the shipowners and masters in, and would omit it.

MR. AUSTIN TAYLOR (Liverpool, East Toxteth)

said he admitted that the Home Secretary had endeavoured to meet the difficulties of the situation. What was the position? The alien who was landed in this country before the passage of the Act was, of course, the property of the country. Then as regarded the alien who was admitted by an immigration officer, there was not the slightest reason why he should be th own as a charge on the shipowner. But there was another class which did not arrive by immigrant ships. In the case of a first-class passenger from Calais o Dover, it was impossible for a shipmaster to protect himself. In three months such a passenger might be a lunatic; or in the case of a woman a prostitute. He entirely agreed with his hon. friend and colleague the Member for the Exchange Division of Liverpool, that this clause was very hard on the shipping companies. They had made representations to the right hon. Gentleman, and he had met them to a large extent, but he still thought that if this sub-section was taken out altogether it would do the Bill no harm.

MR. EMMOTT

said he desired to put three cases to the Attorney-General. The first case was the case of the cabin passenger who came over from Calais to Dover, was subsequently, within six months, convicted of crime, and against whom an expulsion order was made. Would the owners of the Dover-Calais steamer have to take that man back? Would they have to pay any bill which the Home Secretary chose to present to them, or for the cost of the man's custody after he had been adjudged guilty of that crime? If so, did the Home Secretary consider that it was a proper and reasonable change to make in the law? The second case was that of a man who came in a ship which was not an immigrant ship and who had been convicted of some crime and become, even for an odd week, a pauper—or who had been for a few days a vagrant, and against whom an expulsion order was made. Was it a proper thing that that man should be carried back by the master of the ship which brought him—perhaps some little fishing smack? And how were they going to find the shipmaster—how was it going to be worked at all? The third case was that of the psuedo-transmigrant—the man who came in pretending he was a transmigrant, but who did not leave this country for a foreign country. Now, why should the pseudo-transmigrant be sent abroad at the expense of the shipowner, rather than at the expense of the country? They were introducing new legislation on national grounds, because these aliens, were said to do harm here—harm in regard to overcrowding and in regard to lowering the standard of life. Very well, on national grounds these men were to be kept out: but they were to be kept out at the cost of the shipowner! Well, that was not fair; it was not an English way of doing it.

MR. SYDNEY BUXTON (Tower Hamlets, Poplar)

said he had no sympathy with the shipowners, and he thought, generally, that it was quite right to put the expense upon those who made the profit. Bat this particular clause was on an entirely different footing. If he understood the position rightly, the shipowners who would be affected were not those who made a profit by bringing these alien immigrants to this country, upon whom the charge could be properly placed, bat those shipowners whose trade was a general trade in connection with which the bringing over of an occasional immigrant was only an incident. He did not think those shipowners should be pat to the trouble of distinguishing between those who were ordinary passengers and those who might be immigrants. The shipowners whose business was carrying immigrants certainly ought to be compelled to carry out a proper supervision, but it was not fair, in his opinion, to lay the burden on the shipowner who only brought over one immigrant among thousands of other passengers. He certainly thought the Question put by his hon. friend the senior Member for Oldham required an Answer before a division was taken on the clause. He himself had listened to this debate? with an open mind, and he had come to the conclusion, after hearing the speeches made, that if this charge was put on this particular class of shipowners a considerable injustice would be inflicted.

THE ATTORNEY-GENERAL (Sir ROBERT FINLAY,) Inverness Burghs

said the course taken in regard to this subsection was not calculated to encourage the Government in making concessions. His right hon. friend had put down an Amendment which, he ventured to think, he could satisfy the Committee removed every reasonable grievance that could be brought forward, yet the result was that the hon. Gentleman who had moved the omission of the sub-section seemed to be rather angry at what he considered his? legitimate cause of complaint being taken away from him. It had been said that the sub-section as amended would not apply to those who were engaged in the regular business of bringing immigrants to this country. But it had been overlooked that, for the convenience of the shipowners, and very largely at their instance, they had allowed the immigrants to be conditionally disembarked for the purposes of examination. During that time the shipowner was responsible for them, and if during that time they were allowed to escape, was it unreasonable to say that the shipowner should be bound to take them back to the country from whence they came? If this sub-section were struck out, however, shipowners would be relieved of that liability. With regard to aliens who committed crimes in this country, or became chargeable to the Poor Law, it was eminently desirable that they should be expelled from the country; and nothing could be more reasonable than that the cost of taking away such people should be borne by those who brought them here. If the result of the provision were to make shipowners more cautious in. bringing over undesirable aliens it would have attained its object.

MR. EMMOTT

Will the right hon. Gentleman reply with regard to the Calais and Dover traffic?

SIR ROBERT FINLAY

said the provision would apply to the case of all aliens coming into the country, even though they did not come to an immigration port.

MR. EMMOTT

How are they to make the necessary inquiries as to character?

SIR ROBERT FINLAY

said if it was found impossible to find the shipowner who brought them that would entirely remove the hardship from the shipowner. As to character it was much more likely that, something would be known at the port of embarkation than in this country.

MR. ASQUITH (Fifeshire, E.)

said it would, perhaps, be difficult to award among the proposals of the Bill the prize for illogical sequence and practical futility, but he was disposed to think that in any such competition the present sub-section had a very good chance. It would be unfair in any circumstances to throw upon the shipowner the cost of the expulsion or the j repatriation of the undesirable alien; but the sub-section created an absolutely absurd position. If the shipowner brought over a whole cargo of aliens who passed the immigration officer, and if all of them turned out to be undesirable in character within six months, he would not be subjected to the cost of their expulsion; if he brought them in batches of less than twenty, so that they would not have to go through the immigration office at all, and they turned out to be undesirable, he would have to pay the cost of repatriating them; and if they came as cabin passengers one by one with all the outward appearances of good character and, social position, but with evil designs in their hearts, and within six months an expulsion order was made against them, he would have to pay the cost. It was impossible to conceive a greater Chinese puzzle than that.

MR. LEIF JONES (Westmoreland, Appleby)

said that until he heard the speeches of the Home Secretary and the Attorney- General he thought that he understood this clause, but that was certainly not the case now. The right hon. Gentleman stated that it was necessary to have some control over the shipowner or shipmaster who might allow aliens to escape from custody. But under the Bill there was no power to issue an expulsion order against an alien on the ground that he had escaped from the custody of a shipowner.

SIR ROBERT FINLAY

said such a man would not be exempt from expulsion if he were found.

MR. LEIF JONES

said it was not an offence under the Bill to escape from custody, and as the clause dealt solely with aliens against whom an expulsion order had been made he did not see that such a case as he suggested was covered, by the clause at all.

SIR ROBERT FINLAY

said the escape by itself would not render a man liable to expulsion, but it would not give him immunity for any crime he might have committed.

MR. LEIF JONES

thought it would be much better to withdraw the section altogether, inasmuch as it would not deal with the particular case it was said to be intended to cover. The universal opinion of the Committee was that it would be unfair to throw this burden upon the shipowners in the interest of the nation.

MR. DAVID MACIVER (Liverpool, Kirkdale)

believed the retention of the sub-section would have a deterrent effect in regard to the importation of undesirable aliens. Similar provisions to those here proposed were in operation and worked satisfactorily in nearly every other country in the world, and it was unnecessary to go further afield than the Channel Islands for an example of what this sub-section could do. The difficulty of the cross-Channel traffic would apply there as much as here, but it was there provided that the shipowner or owners who brought an alien to the islands should be held liable for the expense of his removal in the event of his becoming chargeable on any parish in the islands within a year and a day of his arrival. A similar liability was imposed with regard to cost of maintenance within a certain period. Those provisions had been in full operation for years; the authorities had experienced no difficulty in carrying them out, and they had certainly proved very effectual in restricting the admission of undesirable aliens. Seeing that such provisions were in successful operation so near to our own shores, he failed to see how any case could be made out against their enactment here.

MR. HARWOOD (Bolton)

said the genesis of this apparently absurd clause was really very simple. No provision existed for the detention of these aliens pending examination, and in order to avoid having to make that provision this most absurd clause had been inserted. The common sense of the question was that if these people were to be kept for examination the authorities should provide the security for their detention. It was their business to do so, and not the business of the shipowner. As to the liability of shipowners for passengers they had brought over, no record of the passengers was kept, and it would be impossible to prove by what particular line a man had come over. The section was really absurd.

MR. PERKS (Lincolnshire, Louth)

said the difficulties in connection with this matter had not been in the least exaggerated, especially in regard to cross-Channel trade. The Home Secretary seemed to have forgotten that there were lines of steamers belonging to foreign Governments concerned in that trade. If undesirable aliens were brought over in the ships of the Belgian State Line, would the penalties be imposed on the captain of the steamer? Similarly, were the North of France Railway Company to be called upon to keep a record of all the people they carried on their steamers between Calais and Dover? Then in the case of the steamers of the South-Eastern Railway Company, were the captains, instead of remaining on the bridge, to go ferreting about inquiring into the character and antecedents of their passengers? The more the clause was examined the more ludicrous and impracticable it became, and it was impossible to see how it could be enforced.

MR. GIBSON BOWLES (Lynn Regis)

said that this sub-section was a confession of the futility and ineffectual character of every section of the Bill. What was to happen in the case of a man who within a certain time of his arrival was found to have committed a felony? Although the mail had been specially examined, passed as morally, physically, and financially sound, and therefore had given security such as was not required, for an ordinary inhabitant, yet the shipowner who brought him over was to be called upon at his own charge to take him back whence he came. If the Amendment of the Attorney-General was to be passed what was the use of all this. It was admitted that these aliens would still be able to dribble in after this Bill was passed without any control whatever, and they could not prevent such infiltration of undesirable aliens as had been suggested. This sub-section, even with the Amendment of the Attorney-General, was a confession that the whole arrangement was in-effectual, because what were put forward as securities in the Bill were not securities at all.

MR. CHURCHILL

said the speech of the hon. Member opposite illustrated one of the disadvantages under which they were forced to conduct this debate. The Government did not intend to make the smallest concession to arguments in that House. All the Government had to do was to sit still and wait until he guillotine fell. Nobody could deny that they were now being asked to make the Imperial Parliament responsible for an absurdity. This provision, as amended, was unworkable. The right hon. Gentleman had made a concession, and yet he had preserved all the restrictions against the shipowners. The right hon. Gentleman said that this Bill could not be applied to cabin passengers, and yet what was considered too complicated for the Government was now being imposed upon the shipowners to carry out. It was a very wrong thing to impose liabilities upon shipowners in respect of matters which were entirely beyond their control and to impose upon law abiding citizens duties which they knew they could not perform. He had listened to the Attorney-General with a good deal of sympathy. They knew he possessed a most marvellous brain and talents but, owing to the exigencies of the political situation, the right hon. and learned Gentleman had to devote his great abilities to defending propositions which he knew were arrant nonsense, and which he knew were indefensible in theory and unworkable in practice. It was no use their arguing the question further because the Government majority was at hand. It might not matter much to those opposed to the Government how ridiculous they made themselves by their legislation, but when legislation which was plainly unworkable was brought forward the whole fabric of the law was brought under suspicion and contempt.

SIR ROBERT FINLAY

read, in reply to the criticisms which had been made, the 11th Section of the United States Act of 1891, which provided that any alien coming in in violation of the law might be returned as by law provided within one year after his arrival at the expense of the company or vessel which brought him, and if that could not be done, then he was to be returned at

the expense of the United States. They could also return any alien who had become a public charge within a year from certain causes laid down in the Act. In the other case alluded to, the alien could be proceeded against as a rogue and a vagabond.

*SIR CHARLES DILKE (Gloucestershire, Forest of Dean)

said the Attorney-General seemed to think that he had answered their case by quoting the law of the United States, but that had no bearing whatever upon this question. The practical difficulties were those which concerned the cross-Channel traffic. The great difficulty was the state of things described by the hon. Member for Louth, for in the cross-Channel traffic there could not be any attempt made to identify any person, and it would be impossible to apply such a system to that traffic. The French Government had long since given up attempting to provide for the supervision of the traffic across the Lake of Geneva from Switzerland even in time of war.

Question put.

The Committee divided:—Ayes, 221; Noes, 172, (Division List No. 264.)

Galloway, William Johnson	Lucas, Col. Francis (Lowestoft	Round, Rt. Hon. James
Gardner, Ernest	Lucas,Reginald J.(Portsmouth	Royds, Clement Molyrneux
Garfit, William	Lyttelton, Rt. Hon. Alfred	Rutherford, John (Lancashire)
Gibbs, Hon. A. G. H.	Macdona, John Cumming	Rutherford, W. W. (Liverpool)
Godson, Sir AngustusFrederick	Maclver, David (Liverpool)	Sackville, Col. S. G. Stopford-
Gordon, Hn.J.E.(Elgin&Nairn	M'Arthur, Charles (Liverpool)	Sadler, Col. Samuel Alexander
Gordon, Maj.Evans-(T'rH'mlet	M'lver, SirLewis (Edinburgh)	Samuel, SirHarryS,(Limehouse
Gorst, Rt. Hon. Sir JohnEldon	M'Killop, James (Stirlingshire)	Sassoon, Sir Edward Albert
Gosehen Hon.George Joachim	Malcolm, Ian	Scott, Sir a (Marleybone, W.)
Goulding, Edward Alfred	Manners, Lord Cecil	Sharpe, William Edward T.
Graham, Henry Robert	Marks, Harry Hananel	Smith, H.C(North'mb.Tyneside
Greene, HenryD.(Shrewsbury)	Martin, Richard Biddulph	Smith,Rt Hn J Parker(Lanarks
Greene, W. Raymond-(Cambs.)	Melville, Beresford Valentine	Smith, Hon. W. F. D. (Strand)
Grenfell, William Henry	Meysey-Thompson, Sir H. M.	Spear, John Ward
Hain, Edward	Middlemore, JohnThrogmorton	Stanley,Edward Jas.(somerset
Hall, Edward Marshall	Midmay, Francis Bingham	Stanley,Rt.Hon.Lord (Lancs,
Halsey, Rt. Hon. Thomas F.	Milner, Rt. Hn. Sir FrederickG.	Stewart, Sir Hark J. M'Taggart
Hamilton, Marq.of(L'nd'nderry	Milvain, Thomas	Stirling, Maxwell, Sir John M.
Hardy, Laurence(Kent,Ashford	Mitchell, William (Burnley)	Stock, James Henry
Hare, Thomas Leigh	Moon, Edward Robert Pacy	Strutt, Hon. Charles Hedley
Haslam, Sir Alfred S.	Morgan, DavidJ.(Walthamstow	Talbot, Lord E. (Chichester
Hay, Hon. Claude George	Morrell, Geogre Herbert	Talbot, Rt.Hn.J.G.(Oxf'dUniv
Heath, Arthur Howard(Hanley	Morton, Arthur H. Aylmer	Taylor, Austin (East Toxteth)
Heath, Sir James(StaffordsNW	Mount, William Arthur	Thorburn, Sir Walter
Henderson, Sir A. (Stafford,W	Murray, Col. Wyndham (Bath)	Tomlinson, Sir Wm. Edw. M.
Hill, Henry Staveley	Myers, William Henry	Tuff, Charles
Hoare, Sir Samuel	Nicholson, William Graham	Tuke, Sir John Batty
Hogg, Lindsay	Palmer, Sir Walter (Salisbury	Turnour, Viscount
Hope, J. F.(Sheffield,Brightside	Parkes, Ebenezer	Vincent, Col. Sir C E H (Sheffi'd
Hoult, Joseph	Peel, Hn. Wm.RobertWellesley	Walrond, Rt.Hn.Sir WilliamH.
Hozier, Hon. James Henry Cecil	Percy, Earl	Warde, Colonel C. E,
Hunt,, Rowland	Pierpoint, Robert	Welby, Lt.-Col. A.C.E.(Taunton
Jameson, Major J. Eustace	Pilkington, Colonel Richard	Welby, Sir Chas. G. E. (Notts.)
Jebb, Sir Richard Claverhouse	Plummer, Sir Walter R.	Wharton, Rt. Hon. John Lloyd
Jeffreys, Rt. Hon. Arthur Fred	Powell, Sir Francis Sharp	Whiteley, H.(Ashton-und-Lyne
Kenyon, Hon.Geo.T.(Denbigh.	Pretyman, Ernest George	Whitmore,Charles Algernon
Kenyon-Slaney, Rt.Hon.Col.W	Pryce-Jones, Lt.-col. Edward	Williams, Colonel R, (Dorset
Kerr, John	Purvis, Robert	Wilson, John (Glasgow)
Kimber, Sir Henry	Rankin, Sir James	Wilson-Todd, Sir W. H.(Yorks)
King, Sir Henry Seymour	Rasch, Sir Frederic Carue	Wolff, Gustav Wilhelm
Lambton, Hon. Frederick W m	Reid, James (Greenock)	Worsley-Taylor, Henry Wilson
Laurie, Lieut.-General	Remnant, James Farquharson	Wyndham, Rt. Hon. George
Law, Andrew Bonar (Glasgow	Renwick, George	Wyndham-Quin, Col. W. H.
Lee, ArthurH.(Hants.Fareham	Ridley, S. Forde	Younger, William.
Legge, Col. Hon. Henage	Ritchie,Rt.Hn.Chas.Thomson
Lockwood, Lieut-Col. A. R.	Roberts, Samuel (Sheffield
Long, Col. Charles W.(Evesham	Robertson, Herbert (Hackney)	TELLERS FOR THE AYES—
Long, Rt.Hn. Walter(Bristol.S.	Rolleston, Sir John F.L.	Sir Alexander Acland-Hood
Lowe, Francis William	Rollit, Sir Albert Kaye	and Viscount Valentia.
Loyd, Archie Kirkman

NOES.
Abraham, William (Cork, N.E.	Broadhurst, Henry	Cullinan, J.
Abraham, William (Rhondda	Brunner, Sir John Tomlinson	Dalziel, James Henry
Ainsworth, John Stirling	Bryce, Rt. Hon, James	Davies, M. Vauaghan(Cardigan
Allen, Charles P.	Buchanan, Thomas Ryburn	Delany, William
Ambrose, Robert	Burke, E Haviland.	Devlin, CharlesRamsey(Galway
Ashton, Thomas Gair	Burt, Thomas	Dewar, John A. (Inverness-sh.
Asquith, Rt. Hn. Herbert Henry	Buxton,N.E.(York,NR,Whitby	Dilke, Rt. Hon. Sir Charles
Atherley-Jones, L.	Buxton, SydneyCharles(Poplar	Dobbie, Joseph
Austin, Sir John	Caldwell, James	Donclan, Captain A.
Barlow, John Emmott	Campbell-Bannerman, Sir H.	Doogan, P. C.
Beaumont, Wentworth C. B.	Cawley, Frederick	Douglas, Charles M. (Lanark
Black, Alexander William	Channing, Francis Allston	Duncan, J. Hastings
Boland, John	Cheetham, John, Frederick	Duun, Sir William
Bolton, Thomas Dolling	Condon, Thomas Joseph	Edwards, Frank
Bowles, T. Gibson (King'sLynn	Craig, Robert Hunter (Lanark)	Elibank, Master of
Brigg, John	Cremer, William Randal	Ellis, John Edward (Notts.)
Bright, Allan Heywood	Crombie, John William	Fenwick, Charles

Field, William	Lyell, Charles Henry	Samuel, S. M. (Whitechapel)
Findlay, Alex. (Lanark, N. E.	MacNeill, John Gordon Swift	Schwann, Charles E.
Fitzmaurice, Lord Edmond	Macveagh, Jeremiah	Shackleton, David James
Flavin, Michael Joseph	M'Kean, John	Shaw, Charles Edw. (Stafford)
Flynn, James Christopher	M'Kenna, Reginald	Shaw, Thomas (Hawick B.)
Fowler, Rt. Hn. Sir Henry	M'Laren, Sir Charles Benjamin	Sheehy, David
Fuller, J. M. F.	Mansfield, Horace Rendall	Shipman, Dr. John G.
Gladstone, Rt. Hn.Herbert John	Mappin, Sir Frederick Thorpe	Sinclair, John (Forfarshire
Grey, Rt. Hn. Sir E. (Berwick	Markham, Arthur Basil	Slack, John Bamford
Gurdon, Sir W. Brampton	Mooney, John J.	Smith, Samuel (Flint)
Hammond, John	Morgan, J. Lloyd(Carmarthen)	Soares, Ernest J.
Harcourt, Lewis	Moulton, John Fletcher	Spencer,Rt,Hn.C.R.(Northants
Hardie, J.Keir(MerthyrTydvil	Murphy, John	Stanhope, Hon. Philip James
Harmsworth, R. Leicester	Nolan, Col. John P. (GalwayN.	Sullivan, Donal
Harwood, George	Nolan, Joseph (Louth, South)	Taylor, Theodore C. (Radcliffe
Hayden, John Patrick	Nussey, Thomas Willans	Tennant, Harold John
Hayter, Rt. Hon. Sir Arthur D	O'Brien, Kendal (TipperaryMid	Thomas, Abel (Carmarthen,E.
Helme, Norval Watson	O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny)	Thomas, Sir A. (Glamorgan, E.
Henderson, Arthur (Durham)	O'Brien, P. J. (Tipperary, N.)	Thomson, F. W. (York, W. R.)
Higham, John Sharp	O'Connor James Wicklow, W	Thomkinson, James
Holland, Sir William Henry	O'Connor, T. P. (Liverpool)	Toulmin, George
Hutchinson, Dr.CharlesFredk.	O'Dowd, John	Trevelyan, Charles Philips
Hutton, Alfred E. Morley	O'Kelly, Conor (Mayo, N.)	Wallace, Robert
Jacoby, James Alfred	O'Malley, William	Warner, Thomas Courtenay T.
Joicey, Sir James	O'Mara, James	Wason, Eugene (Clackmannan
Jones, David Brynmor(Swansea	O'Shaughnessy, P. J.	Wason, JohnCatchart (Orkney
Jones, Leif (Appleby)	Parrott, William	Weir, James Galloway
Jones, William (Carnarvonsh.	Perks, Robert William	White, Luke (York, E. R.
Joyce, Michael	Philipps, John Wynford	Whiteley, George (York, W.R.
Kennedy, Vincent P.(Cavan,W	Pirie, Duncan, V.	Whitley, J. H. (Halifax)
Kitson, Sir James	Power, Patrick Joseph	Wilson, Chas. Henry (Hull, W.
Lambert, George	Price, Robert John	Wilson, Fred.W.(Norfolk,Mid.
Lamont, Norman	Rea, Russell	Wilson, Henry J. (York, W. R.
Law, Hugh Alex. (Donegal,W.	Reddy, M.	Wilson, John (Durham, Mid.)
Lawson, Sir Wilfrid (Cornwall)	Redmond, John E.(Waterford	Wilson, J. W.(Worcestersh.N.
Layland-Barratt, Francis	Rickett, J. Compton.	Woodhouse, SirJT. (Hudddersf'
Leese, SirJosephF. (Accrington	Roberts, John H. (Denbighs.)	Yoxall, James Henry
Leng, Sir John	Roe, Sir Thomas
Levy, Maurice	Rose, Charles Day	TELLERS FOR THE NOES—
Lewis, John Herbert	Runciman, Walter	Mr. Emmott, and Mr. Wins-
Lloyd-George, David	Russell, T. W.	ton Churchill.
Lundon, W.	Samuel, Herbert L. ((Cleveland

Amendment proposed— In page S, line 39, after the word 'alien,' to insert the words 'not being an alien who last entered the United Kingdom before the commencement of the Act, or an immigrant in whose case leave to land has been given under this Act."'—(Mr. Akers-Douglas.)

Amendment agreed to.

MR. CLAUDE HAY (Shoreditch, Hoxton)

moved an Amendment for the purpose of extending from six months to one year the liability of the shipmasters for expenses under Sub-section 2 of Clause 4 in respect of an alien against whom an expulsion order was made. He considered that the period of six months was far too short. When an alien came to this country it would be very unlikely that be would at once prove himself to be undesirable. An alien might come here with enough means to support himself for a time and subsequently become a charge on the rates. Surely six months would be a very short time for a case to be proved against him sufficiently for an expulsion order to be made. They must remember also that Government Departments were slow, and that inquiries would necessarily take time.

Amendment proposed— In page 3, line 40, to leave out the words 'six months,' and insert the words 'one year.'"—(Mr. Claude Hay.)

Question proposed, "That the words 'six months' stand part of the clause."

MR. AKERS-DOUGLAS

said he fully sympathised with the desire expressed by the hem. Gentleman that they should take every safeguard they possibly could, not to prevent the undesirable alien from being expelled. Those who had listened to the debate that afternoon would see that there were a great many restrictions put on the shipowner and shipmaster. He thought they could not continue the liability under this subsection for more than six months. He did. not think there was any substance in his hon. friend's objection that the process of administration under this Act would be so slow and cumbrous as to justify the alteration in the sub-section which he proposed.

MR. CLAUDE HAY

asked leave to withdraw the Amendment.

Amendment, by leave, withdrawn.

MR. RUNCIMAN (Dewsbury)

moved the omission of the words in Subsection 2 of Clause 4 making shipmasters liable to pay to the Secretary of State as a debt due to the Crown any sums paid by the Secretary of State under the section in connection with aliens who were brought to this country in their ships, and who were returned under expulsion orders. He and his friends contended that the expenses incurred for the punishment of an alien should not be defrayed by the owner or master of the ship in which the alien came to this country. That expense should be an ordinary charge for the administration of justice in this country.

AYES.
Agg-Gardner, James Tynte	Banbury, Sir Frederick George	Brown, Sir Alex. H. (Shropah.)
Agnew, Sir Andrew Noel	Barry, Sir Francis T.(Windsor	Brymer, William Ernest
Allhusen, August usHenry Eden	Bartley, Sir George C. T.	Butcher, John George
Allsopp, Hon. George	Bathurst, Hon. Allen Benjamin	Campbell,Rt.Hn.J.A. (Glasgow
Anson, Sir William Reynell	Bentinck, Lord Henry C	Carson, Rt, Hon. Sir Edw. H.
Arkwright, John Stanhope	Bhownaggree, Sir M.M.	Cavendish, V. C. W.(Derbyshire
Arroll, Sir William	Bignold, Sir Arthur	Cayzer, Sir Charles William
Atkinson, Rt. Hon. John	Bigwood, James	Cecil, Evelyn (Aston Manor)
Aubrey-Fletcher,Rt.Hon.SirH.	Bill, Charles	Cecil, Lord Hugh (Greenwich)
Bagot, Capt. Josceline FitzRoy	Bingham, Lord	Chamberlain, Rt.Hn.J.A.(Worc
Bailey, James (Walworth	Blundell, Colonel Henry	Chamberlayne, T. (S'thampton
Bain, Colonel James Robert	Bond, Edward	Chaplin, Rt. Hon. Henry
Baird, John George Alexander	Bousfield, William Robert	Chapman, Edward
Baldwin, Alfred	Bowles, Lt.-Col.H F (Middlesex	Clive, Percy Captain A.
Balfour, Rt. Hn. A.J.(Manch'r)	Bowles, T. Gibson(King'sLynn	Coates, Edward Feetham
Balfour, Rt.Hn.GeraldW(Leeds	Brassey, Albert	Cochrane, Hon. Thos. H. A. E.
Balfour, Kenneth R. (Christch.	Brodrick, Rt. Hon. St. John	Coghill, Douglas Harry

Amendment proposed— In page 4, line 3, to leave out from the word 'shall,' to the end of line 5."—(Mr. Runciman.)

Question proposed, "That the words proposed to be left out stand part of the clause."

MR. AKERS-DOUGLAS

said the obligation was laid on the shipowner to find a passage for an expelled alien. He did not see that the Government could accept the Amendment if for no other reason than that by so doing they would stultify themselves in regard to the action taken during the past two hours with respect to the liability of shipowners.

MR. EMMOTT

asked whether a Belgian shipmaster who had brought an Austrian to this country could be asked to pay under this section if an expulsion order was granted against that alien on account of his having been adjudged guilty of an offence.

MR. GIBSON BOWLES

asked what would be done to get payment if the shipowner or shipmaster was a foreigner. Would they put an embargo on his ship?

SIR ROBERT FINLAY

said that Subsection 2 of Clause 7 incorporated in this Act certain portions of the Merchant Shipping Act, 1894, with reference to the enforcement of payment.

Question put.

The Committee divided:—Ayes, 223; Noes, 172. (Division List No. 265.)

Cohen, Benjamin Louis	Hoult, Joseph	Rasch, Sir Frederic Carne
Colston, Chas. Edw. H. Athole	Howard, J.(Midd.,Tottenham)	Ratcliff, R. F.
Corbett, A. Cameron (Glasgow	Hozier, Hn. James Henry Cecil	Reid, James (Greenock)
Cox, Irwin Edward Bainbridge	Hunt, Rowland	Remnant, James Farquharson
Cross, Alexander (Glasgow)	Jebb, Sir Richard Claverhouse	Renwick, George
Cubitt, Hon. Henry	Jeffreys, Rt. Hon. Arthur Fred	Ridley, S. Forde
Davenport, William Bromley	Kenyon, Hon. Geo. T.(Denbigh	Ritchie, Rt. Hn.Chas.Thomson
Denny, Colonel	Kenyon-Slaney, Rt.Hon,Col. W	Roberts, Samuel (Sheffield
Dickson, Charles Scott	Kerr, John	Robertson, Herbert (Hackney)
Disraeli, Coningsby Ralph	Kimber, Sir Henry	Rolleston, Sir John F. L.
Dixon-Hartland, SirFredDixon	Lambton, Hon. Frederick Wm.	Rollit, Sir Albert Kaye
Dorington, Rt. Hn. Sir John E	Laurie, Lieut.-General	Round, Rt. Hon. James
Doughty, Sir George	Law, Andrew Bonar (Glasgow)	Royds, Clement Molyneux
Douglas, Rt. Hon. F. Akers-	Lawson, Hn.H.L.W.(MileEnd)	Rutherford, John (Lancashire)
Dyke, Rt. Hn. Sir WilliamHart	Lee, ArthurH.(Hants.,Fareham	Rutherford, W.W. (Liverpool
Egerton, Hon. A. de Tatton	Legge, Col. Hon. Heneage	Sadler, Col. Samuel Alexander
Elliot, Hon. A. Ralph Douglas,	Lockwood, Lieut.-Col. A. R.	Samuel, SirHarryS.(Limehouse
Faber, Edmund B. (Hants, W.	Long, Col. Charles W.(Evesham	Sassoon, Sir Edward Albert
Faber, George Denison (York)	Long, Rt,Hn.Walter(Bristol, S.	Scott, Sir S. (Marleybone, W.)
Fardell, Sir T. George	Lowe, Francis William	Seton-Karr, Sir Henry
Fellowes, Rt HnAilwyn Edward	Loyd, Archie Kirkman	Sharpe, William Edward T.
Fergusson, Rt.Hn.SirJ.(Mane'r	Lucas, Col. Francis (Lowestoft	Smith, HC.(North'mb.Tyneside
Finch, Rt. Hon. George H.	Lucas,Reginald J.(Portsmouth)	Smith, Rt HnJ.Parker(Lanarks
Finlay, Sir R.B.(Inv'rn'ssBghs)	Lyttelton, Rt. Hn. Alfred	Smith, Hon. W. F. D. (Strand)
fisher, William Hayes	Macdona, John Cumming	Spear, John Ward
FitzGerald, Sir Robert Penrose	MacIver, David (Liverpool)	Stanley,EdwardJas. (Somerset
Flower, Sir Ernest	M'Arthur, Charles (Liverpool)	Stanley.Rt.Hn. Lord (Lancs.)
Forster, Henry William	M'Iver,SirLewis (EdinburghW	Stirling-Maxwell, Sir John M.
Foster,Philip S(Warwick,S,W.	M'Killop, James (Stirlingshire	Stock, James Henry
Galloway, William Johnson	Manners, Lord Cecil	Stone, Sir Benjamin
Gardner, Ernest	Marks, Harry Hananel	Stroyan, John
Garfit, William	Martin, Richard Biddulph	Strutt, Hon. Charles Hedley
Gibbs, Hon. A. G. H.	Melville, Beresford Valentine	Talbot, Lord E. (Chichester)
Godson, Sir AugustusFrederick	Meysey-Thompson, Sir H. M.	Talbot, Rt Hn J.G.(Oxf'dUniv.
Gordon,Maj Evans-(T'r H'mlets	Middlemore, JohnThrogmorton	Taylor, Austin (East Toxteth)
Gorst, Rt. Hon. Sir John Eldon	Mildmay, Francis Bingham	Thorburn, Sir Walter
Goschen, Hon. George Joachim	Milner, Rt. Hn. Sir FrederickG.	Tomlinson, Sir Wm. Edw. M.
Graham, Henry Robert	Milvain, Thomas	Tuff, Charles
Greene, Henry D.(Shrewsbury	Mitchell, William (Burnley	Tuke, Sir John Batty
Grenfell, William Henry	Moon, Edward Robert Pacy	Vincent, Col. SirC EH(Sheffield
Greville, Hon. Ronald	Morgan,DavidJ.(Walthamstow	Walrond, Rt.Hn.SirWilliamH.
Hain, Edward	Morrell, George Herbert	Warde, Colonel C. E.
Hall, Edward Marshall	Morton, Arthur H. Aylmer	Welby, Lt,-Col.A.C.E.(Taunton
Halsey, Rt. Hon. Thomas F.	Mount, William Arthur	Welby,Sir CbarlesG.E.(Notts.)
Hambro, Charles Eric	Mowbray, Sir Robert Gray C.	Wharton, Rt. Hon. John Lloyd
Hamilton, Marq.of(L'nd'nderry	Myers, William Henry	Whiteley, H.(Ashton und. Lyne
Hardy,Laurence(Kent, Ashford	Palmer, Sir Walter (Salisbury)	Whitmore, Charles Algernon
Hare, Thomas Leigh	Parkes, Ebenezer	Williams, Colonel R. (Dorset)
Haslam, Sir Alfred S.	Peel, Hn.Wm.Robert Wellesley.	Wilson, A. Stanley (York, E.R.
Hay, Hon. Claude George	Percy, Earl	Wilson-Todd, Sir W.H.(Yorks.
Heath, Arthur Howard(Hanley	Pierpoint, Robert;	Wolff, Gustav Wilhelm
Heath,Sir James(Staffords. NW	Pilkington, Colonel Richard	Worsley-Taylor, Henry Wilson
Heaton, John Henniker	Plummer, Sir Walter R.	Wyndham, Rt. Hon, George
Henderson, Sir A.(Stafford,W.)	Powell, Sir Francis Sharp	Wyndham-Quin, Col. W. H.
Hill, Henry Staveley	Pretyman, Ernest George	Younger, William
Hoare, Sir Samuel	Pryce-Jones, Lt.-Col. Edward	TELLERS FOR THE AYES—
Hogg, Lindsay	Purvis, Robert	Sir Alexander Acland-Hood
Hope, J.F.(Sheffield,Brightside	Rankin, Sir James	and Viscount Valentia.

NOES.
Abraham, William (Cork, N. E.	Austin, Sir John	Broadhurst, Henry
Abraham, William (Rhondda)	Barlow, John Emmott	Brunner, Sir John Tomlinson
Ainsworth, John Stirling	Beaumont, Wentworth, C. B.	Bryce, Rt. Hon. James
Allen, Charles P.	Black, Alexander William	Buchanan, Thomas Ryburn
Ambrose, Robert	Boland, John	Burke, E. Haviland-
Ashton, Thomas Gair	Bolton, Thomas Dolling	Burt, Thomas
Asquith, Rt.Hn.HerbertHenry	Brigg, John	Buxton,NE.(York, NR. Whitby
Atherley-Jones, L.	Bright, Allan Heywood	Buxton, SydneyCharles(Poplar

Caldwell, James	Jacoby, James Alfred	Reckitt, Harold James
Campbell-Bannerman, Sir H.	Joicey, Sir James	Reddy, M.
Cawley, Frederick	Jones, David Brynmor(Swansea	Redmond, John E. (Waterford
Channing, Francis Allston	Jones, Leif (Appleby)	Rickett, J. Compton
Cheetham, John Frederick	Jones William, (Carnarvonsh.	Roe, Sir Thomas
Condon, Thomas Joseph	Joyce, Michael	Rose, Charles Day
Craig, Robert Hunter (Lanark)	Kearley, Hudson E.	Russell, T. W.
Cremer, William Randal	Kennedy,Vincent P.(Cavan,W.	Samuel Herbert L. (Cleveland)
Crombie, John William	Kitson, Sir James	Samuel, S. M. (Whitechapel)
Cullinan, J.	Lambert, George	Schwann, Charles E.
Dalziel, James Henry	Lamont, Norman	Shackleton, David James
Davies, M. Vaughan-(Cardigan	Lawson, Sir Wilfrid (Cornwall)	Shaw, Charles Edw. (Stafford)
Delany, William	Layland-Barratt, Francis	Shaw, Thomas (Hawick B.)
Devlin, CharlesRamsay(Galwa	Leese, Sir JosephF.(Accrington	Sheehy, David
Dewar, John A. (Inverness-sh.	Leng, Sir John	Shipman, Dr. John G.
Dilke, Rt. Hon. Sir Charles	Levy, Maurice	Sinclair, John (Forfarshire)
Dobbie, Joseph	Lewis, John Herbert	Slack, John Bamford
Donelan, Captain A.	Lough, Thomas	Smith, Samuel (Flint)
Doogan, P. C.	Lundon, W.	Spencer, Rt. Hn. C. R. (Northants
Douglas, Charles M. (Lanark)	Lyell, Charles Henry	Stanhope, Hon. Philip James
Duncan, J. Hastings	MacNeill, John Gordon Swift	Sullivan, Donal
Dunn, Sir William	MacVeagh, Jeremiah	Taylor, Theodore C. (Radcliffe
Edwards, Frank	M,Arthur, William (Cornwall	Tennant, Harold John
Elibank, Master of	M'Kean, John	Thomas, Abel (Carmarthen, E.)
Ellis, John Edward (Notts.)	M'Laren, Sir Charles Benjamin	Thomas,Sir A.(Glamorgan, E.
Evans, SirFrancisH.(Maidstone	Mansfield, Horace Rendall	Thomson, F. W. (York, W.R.)
Eve, Harry Trelawney	Markham, Arthur Basil	Tomkinson, James
Fenwick, Charles	Mooney, John J.	Toulmin, George
Field, William	Morgan, J. Lloyd (Carmarthen	Trevelyan, Charles Philips
Findlay,Alexander(Lanark,NE	Moulton, John Fletcher	Wallace, Robert
Fitzmaurice, Lord Edmond	Murphy, John	Walton, John Lawson(Leeds,S.
Flavin, Michael Joseph	Nolan, Col. John P.(Galway,N	Warner, Thomas Courtenay, T.
Flynn, James Christopher	Nolan, Joseph (Louth South)	Wason, Eugene (Clackmannan
Fowler, Rt. Hn. Sir Henry	Nussey, Thomas Willans	Wason, John Cathcart(Orkney
Fuller, J. M. F.	O'Brien,Kendal (TipperaryMid	Weir, James Galloway
Gladstone, Rt.Hn.HerbertJohn	O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny)	White, Luke (York, E.R.)
Grey, Rt. Hn. Sir E. (Berwick)	O'Brien, P. J. (Tipperary, N.)	Whiteley, George (York, W.R.
Gurdon, Sir W. Brampton	O'Connor, James (Wicklow,W	Whitley, J. H. (Halifax)
Haldane, Rt. Hon. Richard B	O'Connor, T. P. (Liverpool)	Wilson, Chas. Henry (Hull, W.
Hammond, John	O'Dowd, John	Wilson, Fred.W.(Norfolk,Mid.
Hardie, J.Keir(MerthyrTydvil	O'Kelly, Conor (Mayo, N.)	Wilson, Henry J. (York, W.R.).
Harmsworth, R. Leicester	O'Malley, William	Wilson, John (Durham, Mid.)
Harwood, George	O'Mara, James	Wilson, J.W. (Worcestersh. N.
Hayden, John Patrick	Parrott, William	Woodhouse, Sir JT(Huddersf'd
Hayter, Rt. Hon. Sir Arthur D.	Perks, Robert William	Yoxall, James Henry
Helme, Norval Watson	Philipps, John Wynford
Henderson, Arthur (Durham)	Pirie, Duncan V.	TELLERS FOR THE NOES—
Higham, John Sharp	Power, Patrick Joseph	Mr. Runciman and Mr.
Holland, Sir William Henry	Price, Robert John	Emmott.
Humphreys-Owen, Arthur C.	Priestley, Arthur
Hutchinson, Dr. CharlesFredk.	Rea, Russell
Hutton, Alfred E. (Morley)

Question put, "That the clause, as amended, stand part of the Bill."

AYES.
Agg-Gardner, James Tynte	Baird, John George Alexander	Bigwood, James
Agnew, Sir Andrew Noel	Balcarres, Lord	Bill, Charles
Allhusen,Augustus Henry Eden	Baldwin, Alfred	Bingham, Lord
Allsopp, Hon. George	Balfour,Rt.Hon.A.J.(Manch'r	Blundell, Colonel Henry
Anson, Sir William Reynell	Balfour,RtHnGeraldW. (Leeds	Bond, Edward
Arkwright, John Stanhope	Banbury, Sir Frederick George	Bousfield, William Robert
Arrol, Sir William	Barry, Sir Francis T. (Windsor	Bowles,Lt.-Col.H.F.(Middlesex
Atkinson, Rt. Hon. John	Bartley, Sir George C. T.	Brassey, Albert
Aubrey-Fletcher,Rt.Hon.SirH.	Bathurst, Hon. AllenBenjamin	Brodrick, Rt. Hon. St. John
Bagot, Capt. Josceline FitzRoy	Bentinck, Lord Henry C.	Brown, Sir Alex. H. (Shropsh.)
Bailey, James (Walworth)	Bhownaggree, Sir M. M.	Brymer, William Ernest
Bain, Colonel James Robert	Bignold, Sir Arthur	Bull, William James

The Committee divided:—Ayes, 234; Noes, 175. (Division List No. 266.)

Butcher, John George	Hare, Thomas Leigh	Plummer, Sir Walter R.
Buxton,SydneyCharles(Poplar	Haslam, Sir Alfred S.	Powell, Sir Francis Sharp
Campbell,Rt.Hn.J.A.(Glasgow	Heath,ArthurHoward(Hanley	Pretyman, Ernest George
Carson, Rt. Hon. Sir Edw. H.	Heath, SirJames(Staffords.NW	Pryce-Jones, Lt.-Col. Edward
Cavendish, V. C.W.(Derbyshire	Heaton, John Henniker	Purvis, Robert
Cayzer, Sir Charles William	Henderson, Sir A.(Stafford, W.)	Rankin, Sir James
Cecil, Evelyn (Aston Manor)	Hill, Henry Staveley	Rasch, Sir Frederic Carne
Cecil, Lord Hugh (Greenwich)	Hoare, Sir Samuel	Ratcliff, R. F.
Chamberlain,RtHn.J. A.(Worc.	Hogg, Lindsay	Reed, Sir Edw. James(Cardiff)
Chamberlayne, T. (S'thampton.	Hope,J.F.(Sheffield,Brightside)	Reid, James (Greenock)
Chapman, Edward	Hoult, Joseph	Remnant, James Farquharson
Clive, Captain Percy A.	Howard, J.(Midd., Tottenham)	Renwick, George
Coates, Edward Feetham	Hozier.Hon. James HenryCecil	Ridley, S. Forde
Cochrane, Hon. Thos. H. A. E.	Hunt, Rowland	Ritchie,Rt. Hon. Chas. Thomson
Coghill, Douglas Harry	Jebb, Sir Richard Claverhouse	Roberts, Samuel (Sheffield)
Cohen, Benjamin Louis	Jeffroys,Rt. Hon. ArthurFred.	Robertson, Herbert (Hackney)
Colston Chas. Edw. H. Athole	Kenyon,Hon.Geo.T.(Denbigh)	Rolleston, Sir John F. L.
Corbett, A. Cameron (Glasgow)	Kenyon-Slaney, Rt. Hon. Col. W.	Rollit, Sir Albert Kaye
Corbett, T. L. (Down, North)	Kerr, John	Round, Rt. Hon. James
Cox, Irwin Edward Bainbridge	Kimber, Sir Henry	Rutherford, John (Lancashire)
Cripps, Charles Alfred	King, Sir Henry Seymour	Rutherford, W. W. (Liverpool)
Cross, Alexander (Glasgow)	Lambton, Hon. Frederick Wm.	Sadler, Col. Samuel Alexander
Cubitt, Hon. Henry	Lamont, Norman	Samuel, SirHarryS.(Limehouse
Dalkeith, Earl of	Laurie, Lieut.-General	Sassoon, Sir Edward Albert
Davenport, W. Bromley-	Law,AndrewBonar(Glasgow)	Scott, Sir S. (Marylebone, W.)
Denny, Colonel	Lawson, Hn.H.L.W.(MileEnd)	Seton-Karr, Sir Henry
Dickson, charles Scott	Lee,ArthurH(Hants.,Fareham)	Sharpe, William Edward T.
Dixon-Hartland,Sir FredDixon	Lees, Sir Elliott (Birkenhead)	Smith,H.C(North'mb.Tyneside
Dorington, Rt. Hon. Sir JohnE.	Legge, Col. Hon. Heneage	Smith,RtHnJ.Parker(Lanarks.
Doughty, Sir George	Lockwood, Lieut.-Col. A. R.	Smith, Hon. W. F. D. (Strand)
Douglas, Rt. Hon. A. Akers-	Long,Col.CharlesW. (Evesham	Spear, John Ward
Dyke,Rt. Hon. Sir William Hart	Long,Rt.Hn.Walter(Bristol,S)	Stanley,EdwardJas.(Somerset)
Egerton, Hon. A. de Tatton	Lowe, Francis William	Stanley, Rt. Hon. Lord(Lancs.)
Faber, Edmund B. (Hants,W.)	Loyd, Archie Kirkman	Stirling-Maxwell, Sir John M.
Faber, George Denison (York)	Lucas, Col. Francis (Lowestoft)	Stock, James Henry
Farqell, Sir T. George	Lucas,Reginald J. (Portsmouth	Stone, Sir Benjamin
Fellowes,RtHn.AilwynEdward	Lyttelton, Rt. Hon. Alfred	Stroyan, John
Fergusson, Rt.Hn.SirJ.(Manc'r	Macdona, John Cumming	Strutt, Hon. Charles Hedley
Finch, Rt. Hon. George H.	MacIver, David (Liverpool)	Talbot, Lord E. (Chichestor)
Finlay, Sir R.B. (Inv'n'ssB'ghs)	Maconochie, A. W.	Talbot,Rt, Hn. J.G.(Oxf'dUniv.
Fisher, William Hayes	M'Arthur, Charles (Liverpool	Taylor, Austin (East Toxteth)
Fison, Frederick William	M'Iver,SirLewis(EdinburghW)	Thorburn, Sir Walter
FitzGerald,SirRobertPenrose-	M'Kiilop, James (Stirlingshire)	Tollemache, Henry James
Flower, Sir Ernest	Malcolm, Ian	Tomlinson, Sir Wm. Edw. M.
Forster, Henry William	Manners, Lord Cecil	Tuff, Charles
Foster, Philip S.(Warwick,S.W.	Marks, Harry Hananel	Tuke, Sir John Batty
Galloway, William Johnson	Martin, Richard Biddulph	Turnour, Viscount
Gardner, Ernest	Melville, Beresford Valentine	Vincent,Col.SirC.EH(Sheffield
Garfit, William	Meysey-Thompson, Sir H. M.	Walrond,Rt.Hon.SirWilliamH.
Gibbs, Hon. A. G. H.	Middlemore,John Throgmorton	Warde, Colonel C. E.
Godson,Sir Augustus Frederick	Mildmay, Francis Bingham	Wolby,Lt,-Col.A.C.E.(Taunton
Gordon, Hn. J. E. (Elgin&Nairn	Milner, Rt. Hn. Sir FrederickG.	Welby, Sir Charles G.E.(Notts.
Gordon, Maj Evans (Tr'H'mlets	Milvain, Thomas	Wharton, Rt. Hon. John Lloyd
Gorst, Rt. Hon. Sir John Eldon	Moon, Edward Robert Pacy	Whiteley,H.(Ashton und.Lyne
Goschen, Hon. George Joachim	Morgan,DavidJ.(Walthamstow	Whitmore, Charles Algernon
Goulding, Edward Alfred	Morrell, George Herbert	Williams, Colonel R. (Dorset)
Graham, Henry Robert	Morton, Arthur H. Aylmer	Wilson,A.Stanley(York.E.R.)
Greene, Henry D. (Shrewsbury)	Mount, William Arthur	Wilson, John (Glasgow)
Greene, W. Raymond-(Cambs.	Murray, Charles J. (Coventry)	Wilson-Todd, Sir W. H.(Yorks.
Grenfell, William Henry	Murray, Col. Wyndham (Bath)	Wolff, Gustav Wilhelm
Greville, Hon. Ronald	Myers, William Henry	Worsley-Taylor, Henry Wilson
Hain, Edward	Palmer, Sir Walter (Salisbury)	Wyndham, Rt. Hon. George
Hall, Edward Marshall	Parkes, Ebenezer	Wyndham-Quin, Col. W. H.
Halsey, Rt. Hon. Thomas F.	Peet,Hn.Wm. Robert Wellesley	Younger, William
Hambro, Charles Eric	Percy, Earl	TELLERS FOR THE AYES—
Hamilton, Marq.of(L'donderry	Pierpoint, Robert	Alexander Acland-Hood and
Hardy,Laurence(Kent,Ashford	Pilkington, Colonel Richard	Viscount Valentia.

NOES.
Abraham, William (Cork,N.E	Haldane, Rt. Hon. Richard B.	Perks, Robert William
Abraham, William (Rhondda)	Hammond, John	Philipps, John Wynford
Ainsworth, John Stirling	Harmsworth, R. Leicester	Pirie, Duncan V.
Allen, Charles P.	Harwood, George	Power, Patrick Joseph
Ambrose, Robert	Hayden, John Patrick	Price, Robert John
Ashton, Thomas Gair	Hayter, Rt. Hon. Sir Arthur D.	Priestley, Arthur
Asquith,Rt.Hn. Herbert Henry	Helme, Norval Watson	Rea, Russell
Atherley-Jones, L.	Henderson, Arthur (Durham)	Reckitt, Harold James
Austin, Sir John	Higham, John Sharp	Reddy, M.
Barlow, John Emmott	Holland, Sir William Henry	Redmond, JohnE.(Waterford)
Black, Alexander William	Humphreys-Owen, Arthur C.	Rickett, J. Compton
Boland, John	Hutchinson, Dr. Charles Fredk.	Roberts, John H. (Denbighs.)
Bolton, Thomas Dolling	Hutton, Alfred E. (Morley)	Roe, Sir Thomas
Brigg, John	Jacoby, James Alfred	Rose, Charles Day
Bright, Allan Heywood	Joicey, Sir James	Runciman, Walter
Broadhurst, Henry	Jones,DavidBrynmor (Swansea	Russell, T. W.
Bryce, Rt. Hon. James	Jones, Leif (Appleby)	Samuel, Herbert L. (Cleveland)
Buchanan, Thomas Ryburn	Jones, William(Carnarvonshire	Samuel, S. M. (Whitechapel
Burke, E. Haviland-	Joyce, Michael	Schwann, Charles E.
Burt, Thomas	Kearley, Hudson K.	Shackleton, David James
Buxton.N.E (York,NR,Whitby	Kennedy, VincentP. (Cavan,W.	Shaw, Charles Edw. (Stafford)
Caldwell, James	Kitson, Sir James	Shaw, Thomas (Hawick, B.)
Campbell-Bannerman, Sir H.	Lambert, George	Sheehy, David
Carvill, Patrick Geo. Hamilton	Law, Hugh Alex.(Donegal,W.)	Shipman, Dr. John G.
Causton, Richard Knight	Lawson,SirWilfrid(Cornwall)	Sinclair, John (Forfarshire)
Cawley, Frederick	Layland,Barratt, Francis	Slack, John Bamford
Channing, Francis Allston	Leese,SirJosephF.(Aecrington	Smith, Samuel (Flint)
Cheetham, John Frederick	Leng, Sir John	Soames, Arthur Wellesley
Condon, Thomas Joseph	Levy, Maurice	Spencer, Rt.Hn.C.R.(Northants
Craig,RobertHunter(Lanark)	Lewis, John Herbert	Stanhope, Hon. Philip James
Crombie, John William	Lough, Thomas	Sullivan, Donal
Cullinan, J.	Lundon, W.	Taylor, Theodore C. (Radcliffe)
Dalziel, James Henry	Lyell, Charles Henry	Tennant, Harold John
Davies, M. Vaughan-(Cardigan	MacNeill, John Gordon Swift	Thomas, Abel(Carmarthen, E)
Delany, William	MacVeagh, Jeremiah	Thomas, Sir A. (Glamorgan, E.)
Devlin,CharlesRamsay(Galway	M'Arthur, William (Cornwall)	Thomson, F. W. (York, W. R.)
Dewar, John A. (Inverness-sh.	M'Crae, George	Tomkinson, James
Dilke, Rt. Hon. Sir Charles	M'Kean, John	Toulmin, George
Dobbie, Joseph	M'Larcn,SirCharlesBenjamin	Trevelyan, Charles Philips
Donclan, Captain A.	Mansfield, Horace Rendall	Wallace, Robert
Doogan, P. C.	Markham, Arthur Basil	Walton,JohnLawson(Leeds,S.)
Douglas, Charles M. (Lanark)	Mooney, John J.	Warner, Thomas Courtenay T.
Dunn, Sir William	Morgan, J. Lloyd (Carmarthen)	Wason, Engene (Clackmannan)
Edwards, Frank	Moulton, John Fletcher	Wason,John Cathcart (Orkney)
Ellice,Capt,E.C. (SAndrw'sBghs	Murphy, John	Weir, James Galloway
Ellis, John Edward (Notts.)	Nolan,Col.John P.(Galway,N.)	White, Luke (York, E. R.)
Emmott, Alfred	Nolan, Joseph (Louth, South)	Whiteley, George (York,W.R.)
Eve, Harry Trelawney	Nussey, Thomas Willans	Whitley, J. H. (Halifax)
Fenwick, Charles	O'Brien, Kendal(TipperaryMid	Wilson,CharlesHenry (Hull,W.
Findlay,Alexander(Lanark, NE	O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny)	Wilson, Fred. W. (Norfolk,Mid.)
Fitzmaurice, Lord Edmond	O'Brien, P. J. (Tipperary, N.)	Wilson,Henry J. (York.W.R.)
Flayin Michael Joseph	O'Connor,James (Wicklow, W.)	Wilson, John (Durham, Mid.)
Flynn, James Christopher	O'Connor, John (Kildare,N.)	Wilson,J.W.(Worcestersh. N.)
Foster, Sir Walter (Derby Co.)	O'Connor, T. P. (Liverpool)	Woodhouse,SirJ.T(Hudd'rsfi'd
Fowler, Rt. Hon. Sir Henry	O'Dowd, John	Yoxall, James Henry
Freeman-Thomas, Captain F.	O'Kelly, Conor (Mayo, N.)
Fuller, J. M. F.	O'Malley, William	TELLERS FOR THE NOES—Mr.
Grey, Rt. Hon. Sir E.(Berwick)	O'Mara, James	Corrie Grant and Mr. Keir
Gurdon, Sir W. Brampton	O'Shaughnessy, P. J.	Hardie.
	Parrott, William
	Paulton, James Mellor

And, it being half-past Six of the clock, the Chairman proceeded, in pursuance of the Order of the House of July 5th, successively to put forthwith the Question on any Amendments moved by the Government of which notice had been given, and on every Question necessary to dispose of the business allotted to the Sitting.

Clause 5:—

Question put, "That the clause stand part of the Bill."

AYES.
Agg-Gardner, James Tynte	Dorington,Rt. Hon. Sir JohnE.	Law, Andrew Bonar (Glasgow)
Agnew, Sir Andrew Noel	Doughty, Sir George	Lawson,Hn.H.L.W.(MileEnd)
Allhusen, Augustus Henry Eden	Douglas, Rt. Hon. A. Akers-	Lee, ArthurH (Hants.,Farehsam
Allsopp, Hon. George	Duke, Henry Edward	Lees, Sir Elliott (Bireuhead)
Anson, Sir William Reynell	Dyke,Rt Hon.Sir William Hart	Legge, Col. Hon. Heneage
Arkwright, John Stanhope	Egerton, Hon. A. de Tatton	Lockwood, Lieut -Col. A. R
Arrol, Sir William	Faber, Edmund B (Hants, W.)	Long, Col. Charles W.(Evesham
Atkinson, Rt. Hon. John	Faber, George Denison (York)	Long, Rt. Hn. Walter (Bristol,S.)
Aubrey-Fletcher, RtHn. Sir H.	Fardell, Sir T. George	Lowe, Francis William
Bagot, Capt. Josceline FitzRoy	Fellowes, Rt. Hn. Ailwyn Edw.	Loyd, Archie Kirkman
Bailey, James (Walworth)	Fergusson,Rt.Hn.SirJ.(Mane'r.	Lucas, Col. Francis (Lowestoft)
Bain, Colonel James Robert	Finch, Rt. Hon. George H.	Lucas, Reginald J.(Portsmouth)
Baird, John George Alexander	Finlay,Sir R B (Inv'rn'ss B'ghs)	Lyttelton, Rt. Hon. Alfred
Balcarres, Lord	Fisher, William Hayes	Macdona, John Gumming
Baldwin, Alfred	Fison, Frederick William	MacIver, David (Liverpool)
Balfour, Capt. C. B. (Hornsey)	FitzGerald, Sir Robert Penrose	Maconochie, A. W.
Balfour,RtHn. GeraldW. (Leeds	Flower, Sir Ernest	M'Arthur,Charles (Liverpool)
Balfour, Kenneth R. (Christch.	Forster, Henry William	M'Iver,SirLewis(Edinburgh, W.
Banbury, Sir Frederick George	Foster,PhilipS (Warwick, S.W.	M'Killop, James (Stirlingshire)
Barry, Sir Francis T. (Windsor	Galloway, William Johnson	Malcolm, Ian
Bartley, Sir George C. T.	Gardner, Ernest	Manners, Lord Cecil
Bathurst, Hon. Allen Benjamin	Garfit, William	Marks, Harry Hananel
Bentinck, Lord Henry C.	Gibbs, Hon. A. G. H.	Martin, Richard Biddulph
Bhownaggree, Sir M. M.	Godson, Sir AugustusFrederick	Melville, Beresford Valentine
Bignold, Sir Arthur	Gordon, Hn. J E (Elgin & Nairn	Meysey-Thompson, Sir H. M.
Bigwood, James	Gordon,Maj.Evans(T'r H'mlets	Middlemore,John Thorgmorton
Bill, Charles	Gorst, Rt. Hon. Sir John Eldon	Mildmay, Francis Bingham
Bingham, Lord	Goschen, Hon. George Joachim	Milner,Rt.Hon.Sir Frederick G.
Blundell Colonel Henry	Goulding, Edward Alfred	Milvain, Thomas
Bousfield, William Robert	Graham, Henry Robert	Montagu, G. (Huntingdon)
Bowles, Lt. -Col. H.F.(Middlesex	Greene, Henry D. (Shrewsbury	Montagu, Hn. J. Scott (Hants.)
Brassey, Albert	Greene, W. Raymond (Cambs.)	Moon, Edward Robert Pacy
Brodrick, Rt. Hon. St. John	Grenfell, William Henry	Morgan, David J(Walthamstow
Brown, Sir Alex.H.(Shropsh.)	Greville, Hon Ronald	Morrell, George Herbert
Brymer, William Ernest	Hain, Edward	Morton, Arthur H. Aylmer
Bull, William James	Hall, Edward Marshall	Mount, William Arthur
Butcher, John George	Halsey, Rt. Hon. Thomas F.	Mowbray, Sir Robert Gray C.
Cambell,Rt.Hn.J. A. (Glasgow	Hambro, Charles Eric	Murray, Charles J. (Coventry)
Carson, Rt. Hon. Sir Edw. H.	Hamilton,Marq of (L'nd'nderry	Murray, Col. Wyndham (Bath)
Cavendish, V.C.W. (Derbyshire	Hardy,Laurence(Kent,Ashford	Mvers, William Henry
Cayzer, Sir Charles William	Hare, Thomas Leigh	Nicholson, William Graham
Cecil, Evelyn (Aston Manor)	Haslam, Sir Alfred S.	Palmer, Sir Walter (Salisbury)
Cecil, Lord Hugh (Greenwich)	Heath, Arthur H (Hanley)	Parkes, Ebenezor
Chamberlain,Rt Hn. J. A. (Worc.	Heath,SirJames(Staffords,NW.	Peel, Hn. Wm.RobortWellesley
Chamberlayne, T. (S'thampton	Heaton, John Henniker	Perey, Earl
Chaplin, Rt. Hon. Henry	Henderson, Sir A. (Stafford, W.)	Pierpoint, Robert
Chapman, Edward	Hickman, Sir Alfred	Pilkington, Colonel Richard
Clare, Octavius Leigh	Hill, Henry Staveley	Plummer, Sir Walter R.
Clive, Captain Percy A.	Hoare, Sir Samuel	Powell, Sir Francis Sharp
Coates, Edward Feetham	Hogg, Lindsay	Pretyman, Ernest George
Cochrane, Hon. Thos. H. A. E.	Hope, J. F(Sheffield,Brightside	Pryce-Jones, Lt.-Col. Edward
Coghill, Douglas Harry	Hoult, Joseph	Purvis, Robert
Cohen, Benjamin Louis	Howard.J.(Midd., Tottenham)	Rankin, Sir James
Colston, Chas. Edw. H. Athole	Hozier, Hn. James Henry Cecil	Rasch, Sir Frederick Came
Corbett A. Cameron (Glasgow)	Hunt, Rowland	Ratcliff, R. F.
Corbett, T. L. (Dawn, North)	Jameson, Major J. Eustace	Read, Sir Edw. James (Cardiff)
Cox, Irwin Edward Bainbridge	Jebb, Sir Richard Claverhouse	Reid, James (Greenock)
Cripps, Charles Alfred	Jeffreys, Rt. Hon. Arthur Fred	Remnant, James Farquharson
Cross, Alexander (Glasgow)	Kenyon, Hn. Geo. T. (Denbigh	Renwick, George
Cubitt, Hon. Henry	Kenyon-Slaney.Rt.Hon.Col.W.	Ridley, S. Forde
Dalkeith, Earl of	Kerr, John	Ritchie, Rt. Hon. Chas. Thomson
Davenport, William Bromley	Kimber, Sir Henry	Roberts, Samuel (Sheffield)
Davies, Sir H. D. (Chatham)	King, Sir Henry Seymour	Robertson, Herbert (Hackney)
Denny, Colonel	Lambton, Hn. Frederick Wm.	Rolleston, Sir John F L.
Dickson, Charles Scott	Lamont, Norman	Rollit, Sir Albert Kaye
Dixon-Hartland,SirFred Dixon	Laurie, Lieut.-General	Round, Rt. Hn. James

The Committee divided:—Ayes, 245; Noes, 181. (Division List No. 267.)

Royds, Clement Molyneux	Stirling-Maxwell, Sir John M.	Wharton, Rt. Hn. John Lloyd
Rutherford, John (Lancashire)	Stock, James Henry	Whiteley.H.(Ashton und. Lyne
Rutherford, W. W. (Liverpool)	Stone, Sir Benjamin	Whitmore, Charles Algernon
Sackville, Col. S. G. Stopford	Strutt, Hon. Charles Hedley	Williams, Colonel R. (Dorset)
Sadler, Col. Samuel Alexander	Talbot, Lord F. (Chichester)	Willoughby de Eresby, Lord
Samuel,SirHarry S.(Limehouse	Talbot,RtHn.J.G.(Oxf'dUniv.)	Wilson, A. Stanley (York, E. R.
Scott, Sir S. (Marylebone, W.)	Thorburn, Sir Walter	Wilson, John (Glasgow)
Seton-Karr, Sir Henry	Tollemache, Henry James	Wilson-Todd, Sir W.H. (York*.
Sharpe, William Edward T.	Tomlinson, Sir Wm. Edw. M.	Wolff, Gustav Wilhelm
Sinclair, Louis (Romford)	Tuff Charles	Worsley-Taylor, Henry Wilson
Smith,H.C(North'mb.Tyneside	Tuke, Sir John Batty	Wrightson, Sir Thomas
Smith, Rt.HnJParker(Lanarks	Turnour, Viscount	Wyndham, Rt. Hon. George
Smith, Hon. W. F. D. (Strand)	Vincent,Col. Sir C.E H(Sheffi'ld	Younger, William
Spear, John Ward	Walrond, Rt.Hn.Sir William H
Stanley, Edward Jas.(Somerset	Warde, Colonel C. E.	TELLERS FOR THE AYES—
Stanley, Rt. Hn. Lord (Lancs.)	Welby,Lt.-Col.A.CE (Taunton)	Alexander Acland-Hood and
Stewart, Sir Mark J.M'Taggart	Welby,Sir Charles G.E. (Notts.	Viscount Valentia.

NOES.
Abraham, William (Cork, N.E.)	Field, William	M'Kenna, Reginald
Abraham, William (Rhondda)	Findlay,Alexander(Lanark,NE	M'Laren, Sir Charles Benjamin
Ainsworth, John Stirling	Fitzmaurice, Lord Edmond	Mansfield, Horace Rendall
Allen, Charles P.	Flavin, Michael Joseph	Markham, Arthur Basil
Ambrose, Robert	Flynn, James Christopher	Mooney, John J.
Ashton, Thomas Gair	Foster, Sir Walter (Derby Co.)	Morgan, J. Lloyd (Carmarthen)
Asquith, Rt. Hn. Herbert Henry	Fowler, Rt. Hon. Sir Henry	Moulton, John Fletcher
Atherley-Jones, L.	Freeman-Thomas, Captain F.	Murphy, John
Austin, Sir John	Fuller, J. M. F.	Nolan, Cot. JohnP.(Galway,N.
Baker, Joseph Allen	Gladstone, Rt.Hn.Herbert.John	Nolan, Joseph (Louth, South)
Barlow, John Emmott	Grant, Corrie	Nussey, Thomas Willans
Beaumont, Wentworth C.B.	Grey, Rt. Hon. Sir E.(Berwick)	O'Brien, Kendal(TipperaryMid
Black, Alexander William	Griffith, Ellis J.	O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny)
Boland, John	Gurdon, Sir W. Brampton	O'Brien, P. J. (Tipperary,N.)
Bolton, Thomas Dolling	Haldane, Rt. Hon. Richard B	O'Connor,James (Wicklow, W.)
Brigg, John	Hammond, John	O'Connor, John (Kildare, N.)
Bright, Allan Heywood	Harmsworth, R. Leicester	O'Dowd, John
Broadhurst, Henry	Harwood, George	O'Kelly, Conor (Mayo, N.)
Brunner, Sir John Tomlinson	Hayden, John Patrick	O'Malley, William
Buchanan, Thomas Ryburn	Hayter, Rt. Hon. Sir Arthur D.	O'Mara, James
Burke, E. Haviland	Heline, Norval Watson	O'Shaughnessy, P. J.
Burt, Thomas	Henderson, Arthur (Durham)	Parrott, William
Buxton,N. E.(York,NR,Whitby	Higham, John Sharp	Paulton, James Mellor
Galdwell, James	Holland, Sir William Henry	Perks, Robert William
Campbell-Bannerman, Sir H.	Humphreys-Owen Arthur C.	Philipps, John Wynford
Carvill, Patrick Geo. Hamilton	Hutchinson, Dr. Charles Fredk.	Pirie, Duncan V.
Causton, Richard Knight	Hutton, Alfred E. (Morley)	Power, Patrick Joseph
Cawley, Frederick	Isaacs, Rufus Daniel	Price, Robert John
Channing, Francis Allston	Jacoby, James Alfred	Priestley, Arthur
Cheetham, John Frederick	Joicey, Sir James	Rea, Russell
Condon, Thomas Joseph	Jones, D. B. (Swansea)	Reckitt, Harold James
Craig, Robert Hunter (Lanark	Jones, Leif (Appleby)	Reddy, M.
Cremer, William Randal	Jones, Wm. (Carnarvonshire	Redmond, John E. (Waterford)
Cullinan, J.	Joyce, Michael	Rickett, J. Compton
Davies, M. Vaughan (Cardigan	Kearley, Hudson E.	Roberts, John H. (Denbighs.)
Delany, William	Kennedy, Vincent P.(Cavan,W.)	Roe, Sir Thomas
Devlin, Chas. Ramsay(Galway)	Kitson, Sir James	Rose, Charles Day
Dewar, John A. (Inverness-sh.	Lambert, George	Runciman, Walter
Dilke, Rt. Hon. Sir Charles	Law, Hugh Alex. (Donegal,W.)	Russell. T. W.
Dobbie, Joseph	Lawson, Sir Wilfrid (Cornwall)	Samuel, Herbert L. (Cleveland)
Donelan, Captain A.	Layland-Barratt, Francis	Samuel, S. M. (Whitechapel)
Doogan, P. C.	Leng, Sir John	Shackleton, David James
Douglas, Charles M. (Lanark)	Levy, Maurice	Shaw, (Charles Edw. (Stafford)
Duncan, J. Hastings	Lewis, John Herbert	Shaw, Thomas (Hawick B.)
Dunn, Sir William	Lough, Thomas	Sheehy, David
Edwards, Frank	Lundon, W.	Shipman, Dr. John G.
Elibank, Master of	Macnamara, Dr. Thomas J.	Sinclair, John (Forfarshire)
Ellice,CaptEC (S.Andrw'sB'ghs	MacNeill, John Gordon Swift	Slack, John Bamford
Ellis, John Edward (Notts)	MacVeagh, Jeremiah	Smith, Samuel (Flint)
Emmott, Alfred	M'Arthur, William (Cornwall)	Soames, Arthur Wellesley
Evans,SirFrancisH.(Maidstone	M'Crae, George	Spencer,Rt.Hn.C. R.(Northants
Eve, Harry Trelawney	M'Kean, John	Stanhope, Hon. Philip James

Sullivan, Donal	Wason,Eugene (Clackmannan)	Wilson, Henry J. (York.W.R.)
Taylor, Theodore C (Radclitfe)	Wason,John Cathcart (Orkney)	Wilson, John (Durham, Mid.)
Tennant, Harold John	Weir, James Galloway	Wilson, J. W. (Worcestersh.N.)
Thomas Abel (Carmarthen,E.)	White, George (Norfolk)	Woodhouse,SirJT.(Huddersf'd
Thomas, Sir A.(Glamorgan,E.)	White, Luke (York. E.R.)	Yoxall, James Henry
Thomson, F. W. (York, W. R.)	Whiteley, George (York,W.R.)
Tomkinson, James	Whitley, J. H. (Halifax)	TELLERS FOR THE NOES—Mr.
Toulmin, George	Williams, Osmond (Merioneth)	Fenwick and Mr. Keir
Trevelyan, Charles Philips	Wilson,CharlesHenry(Hull,W
Wallace, Robert	Wilson,Fred. W. (Norfolk, Mid.)

Clause 6:—

Amendment proposed— In page 5, line 7, after the word 'department,' to insert the words 'or any port sanitary authority.'" (Mr. Secretary Akers-Douglas.)

Question, "That the Amendment be made," put, and agreed to.

Another Amendment proposed—

AYES.
Agg-Gardner, James Tynte	Chamberlayne, T. (S'thampton	Gardner, Ernest
Agnew, Sir Andrew Noel	Chaplin, Rt. Hon. Henry	Garfit, William
Allhusen, Augustus Hy. Eden	Chapman, Edward	Gibbs, Hon. A. G. H.
Allsopp, Hon. George	Clare, Octavius Leigh	Godson, Sir AugustusFrederick
Anson Sir William Reynell	Clive, Captain Percy A.	Gordon, Hn.J.E.(Elgin & Nairn
Arkwright, John Stanhope	Coates, Edward Feetham	Gordon,MajEvans (T'rH'mlets
Arrol, Sir William	Cochrane, Hon. Thos. H. A. E.	Gorst, Lit Hon. Sir.JohnEldon
Atkinson, Rt. Hon. John	Coghill, Douglas Harry	Goschen, Hon. George Joachim
Aubrey-Fletcher,Rt.Hon.SirH.	Cohen, Benjamin Louis	Goulding, Edward Alfred
Bagot, Capt. Josceline FitzRoy	Colston, Chas. Edw. H. Athole	Graham, Henry Robert
Bailey, James (Walworth)	Cook, Sir Frederick Lucas	Greene, Henry D. (Shrewsbury
Bain, Colonel James Robert	Corbett, A. Cameron (Glasgow	Greene, W. Raymond (Cambs.)
Baird, John George Alexander	Corbett, T. L. (Down, North)	Grenfell, William Henry
Balcarres, Lord	Cox, Irwin Edward Bainbridge	Greville, Hon. Ronald
Baldwin, Alfred	Cripps, Charles Alfred	Guthrie, Walter Murray
Balfour, Capt. C. B. (Hornsey)	Cross, Alexander (Glasgow)	Hain, Edward
Balfour, Rt. Hn Gerald.W (Leeds	Cubitt, Hon. Henry	Hall, Edward Marshall
Balfour, Kenneth R.(Christch.	Davenport, William Bromley	Halsey, Rt. Hon. Thomas F.
Banbury, Sir Frederick George	Davies, Sir H. D. (Chatham)	Hambro, Charles Eric
Barry, Sir FrancisT.(Windsor)	Denny, Colonel	Hamilton, Marq. of (L'nd'nd'ry
Bartley, Sir George C. T.	Dickson, Charles Scott	Hardy,Laurence(Kent,Ashford
Bathurst, Hn. Allen Benjamin	Disraeli, Coningsby Ralph	Hare, Thomas Leigh
Bentinck, Lord Henry C.	Dixon-Hartland,SirFred Dixon	Haslam, Sir Alfred S.
Bhownaggree, Sir M. M.	Dorington, Rt. Hon.SirJohnE.	Heath, ArthurHoward(Hanley
Bignold, Sir Arthur	Doughty, Sir George	Heath, SirJames(Staffords,NW
Bigwood, James	Douglas, Rt. Hon. A. Akers-	Heaton, John Henniker
Bill, Charles	Duke, Henry Edward	Henderson, Sir A. (Stafford, W.)
Bingbam, Lord	Dyke, Rt.Hn. Sir WilliamHart	Hickman, Sir Alfred
Blundell, Colonel Henry	Egerton, Hon. A. de Tatton	Hill, Henry Staveley
Bonlsfield, William Robert	Faber, Edmund B. (Hants, W.	Hoare, Sir Samuel
Bowles, Lt.-ColHF(Middlesex)	Faber, George Denison (York)	Hogg, Lindsay
Brassey, Albert	Fardell, Sir T. George	Hope,J F (Sheffield, Brightside
Brodrick, Rt. Hon. St. John	Fellowes, Rt. Hn.Ailywn Edw.	Hoult, Joseph
Brown, Sir Alex.H.(Shropshire	Fergusson,Rt Hn.Sir J.(Manc'r	Howard, J. (Kent, Faversham
Brymer, William Ernest	Finch, Bt. Hon. George H.	Howard, J. (Midd., Tottenham
Bull, William James	Finlay, SirR.B.(Inv'rn'ss B'ghs	Hozier, Hon. James HenryCecil
Butcher, John George	Fisher, William Hayes	Hunt, Rowland
Campbell, Rt.HnJA(Glasgow)	Fison, Frederick William	Jameson, Major J. Eustace
Carson,Rt Hon.Sir Edw. H.	FitzGerald, Sir Robert Penrose	Jebb, Sir Richard Claverhouse
Cavendish, V.C.W. (Derbyshire	Flower, Sir Ernest	Jeffreys, Rt. Hn. Arthur Fred
Cayzer, Sir Charles William	Forster, Henry William	Jessel, Captain HerbertMerton
Cecil, Evelyn (Aston Manor)	Foster, Philip S.(Warwick,S.W.	Kenyon, Hon.Geo.T.(Denbigh)
Chamberlain, Rt. Hn J A(Worc.	Galloway, William Johnson	Kenyon-Slaney, Rt. Hn.Col.W.

"In page 5, line 9, after the word 'department,' to insert the words 'or authority.'" (Mr. Secretary Akers-Douglas.)

Question, "That the Amendment be made," put, and agreed to.

Question put, "That the clause, as amended, stand part of the Bill."

The Committee divided:—Ayes, 250; Noes, 191. (Division List No. 268.)

Kerr, John	Mowbray, Sir Robert Gray C.	Spear, John Ward
Keswick, William	Murray, Col. Wyndham (Bath)	Stanley, Edwardjas. (Somerset
Kimber, Sir Henry	Myers, William Henry	Stanley,Rt Hn. Lord (Lancs.)
King, Sir Henry Seymour	Nicholson, William Graham	Stewart, Sir Mark J M'Taggart
Lambton, Hn. Frederick Wm.	Palmer, Sir Walter (Salisbury)	Stirling-Maxwell, Sir John M.
Laurie, Lieut.-General	Parkes, Ebenezer	Stock, James Henry
Law, Andrew Bonar (Glasgow)	Peel, Hn. Wm. R. Welledey	Stone, Sir Benjamin
Lawson, Hn. H. L.W.(Mile End	Percy, Earl	Stroyan, John
Lee, ArthurH(Hants.,Fareham	Pierpoint, Robert	Strutt, Hon. Charles Hedley
Lees, Sir Elliott (Birkenhead)	Pilkington, Colonel Richard	Talbot, Lord E. (Chichester)
Legge, Col. Hon. Heneage	Plummer, Sir Walter R.	Talbot,RtHon.JG.(Oxf'dUniv.
Lockwood, Lieut.-Col. A. R.	Powell, Sir Francis Sharp	Taylor, Austin (East Toxteth)
Long, Col Chas. W.(Evesham	Pretyman, Ernest George	Thorburn, Sir Walter
Long,RtHn.Walter (Bristol, S.	Pryce-Jones, Lt.-Col. Edward	Tollemache, Henry James
Lowe, Francis William	Purvis, Robert	Tomlinson, Sir Wm. Edw. M.
Loyd, Archie Kirkman	Rankin, Sir James	Tuff, Charles
Lucas, Col. Francis (Lowestoft)	Rasch, Sir Frederic Carne	Tuke, Sir John Batty
Lucas, Reginald J(Portsmouth	Ratcliff, R. F.	Tumour, Viscount
Lyttelton, Rt, Hon. Alfred	Reed, Sir Edw. James(Cardiff)	Vincent,Col Sir CEH.(SheffieldE.
Macdona, John Cumming	Reid, James (Greenock)	Walrond,Rt Hn. Sir William H.
MacIver, David (Liverpool)	Remnant, James Farquharson	Warde, Colonel C. E.
Maconochie, A. W.	Renwick, George	Welby,Lt.-Col.A.C.E.(Taunton)
M'Arthur, Charles (Liverpool)	Ridley, S. Forde	Welby, Sir Charles GE.(Notts.)>
M'Iver, Sir Lewis(EdinburghW	Ritchie,Rt.Hon.Chas. Thomson	Wharton, Mr. Hon. John Lloyd
M'Killop, James (Stirlingshire	Roberts, Samuel (Sheffield)	Whiteley, H.(Ashton und.Lyne
Malcolm, Ian	Robertson, Herbert (Hackney)	Whitmore, Charles Algernon
Manners, Lord Cecil	Rolleston, Sir John F. L.	Williams, Colonel R. (Dorset)
Marks, Harry Hananel	Rollit, Sir Albert Kaye	Willoughby de Eresby, Lord
Martin, Richard Biddulph	Round, Rt. Hon. James	Wilson, A.Stanley (York, E.R.)
Melville, Beresford Valentine	Royds, Clement Molyneux	Wilson, John (Glasgow)
Meysey-Thompson, Sir H. M.	Rutherford, John (Lancashire)	Wilson-Todd, SirW.H.(Yorks.)
Middlemore,JohnThrogmorton	Rutherford, W. W. (Liverpool)	Wolff, Gustav Wilhelm
Mildmay, Francis Bingham	Sackville, Col. S. G. Stopford	Worsley-Taylor, Henry Wilson.
Milner,Rt. Hn. Sir Fredk. G.	Sadler, Col. Samuel Alexander	Wrightson, Sir Thomas
Milvain, Thomas	Samuel, Sir H. S. (Limehouse)	Wyndham, Rt. Hon. George
Montagu, G. (Huntingdon)	Scott, Sir S. (Marylebone, W.)	Wyndham-Quin, Col. W. H.
Montagu, Hon.J.Scott(Hants.)	Seton-Karr, Sir Henry	Younger, William
Moon, Edward Robert Pacy	Sharpe, William Edward T.
Morgan, DavidJ.(Walthamst'w	Sinclair, Louis Romford	TELLERS FOR THE AYES—Mr.
Morrell, George Herbert	Smith,HC (North mb.Tyneside	Alexander Acland-Hood and
Morton, Arthur H. Aylmer	Smith, RtHn JParker(Lanarks	Viscount Valentia.
Mount, William Authur	Smith, Hon.W. F. D. (Strand)

NOES.
Abraham, William (Cork, N.E.	Cheetham, John Frederick	Field, William
Abraham, William (Rhondda)	Churchill, Winston Spencer	Findlay, Alex. (Lanark, N.E.
Allen, Charlea P.	Condon, Thomas Joseph	Fitzmaurice, Lord Edmond
Ambrose, Robert	Craig, Robert Hunter (Lanark)	Flavin, Michael Joseph
Ashton, Thomas Gair	Cremer, William Randal	Flynn, James Christopher
Asquith, Rt. Hn. Herb. Henry	Crombie, John William	Foster, Sir Walter (Derby Co.)
Austin, Sir John	Cullinan, J.	Freeman-Thomas, Captain F.
Baker, Joseph Allen	Dalziel, James Henry	Gladstone, Rt. Hn Herbert J.
Barlow, John Emmott	Davies, M. Vaughan(Cardigan	Grant, Corrie
Beaumont, Wentworth C. B.	Delany, William	Grey, Rt. Hon.Sir E.(Berwick
Black, Alexander William	Devlin, Chas. Ramsay (Galway	Griffith, Ellis J.
Boland, John	Dewar, John A. (Inverness-sh.	Gurdon, Sir W. Brampton
Bolton, Thomas Dolling	Dilke, Rt. Hon. Sir Charles	Haldane, Ht. Hon. Richard B.
Brigg, John	Dobbie, Joseph	Hammond, John
Broadhurst, Henry	Donelan, Captain A.	Hardie, J. Keir (MerthyrTydvil
Brunner, Sir John Tomlinson	Doogan, P. C.	Harmsworth, R. Leicester
Bryce, Rt. Hon. James	Douglas, Charles M. (Lanark)	Harwood, George
Buchanan, Thomas Ryburn	Duncan, J. Hastings	Hayden, John Patrick
Burke, E. Haviland	Dunn, Sir William	Hayter, Rt. Hn. Sir Arthur D.
Burt, Thomas	Edwards, Frank	Helme, Norval Watson
Buxton,N.E.(York,NR,Whitby	Elibank, Master of	Henderson, Arthur (Durbam)
Caldwell, James	Ellice,Capt EC(SAndrewsB'ghs	Higham, John Sharp
Campbell-Bannerman, Sir H.	Ellis, John Edward (Notts.)	Holland, Sir William Henry
Carvill, Patrick Geo. Hamilton	Emmott, Alfred	Humphreys-Owen, Arthur C.
Causton, Richard Knight	Evans,SirPrancisH. (Maidst'ne	Hutchinson, Dr. Charles Fredk
Cawley, Frederick	Eve, Harry Trelawney	Hutton, Alfred E. (Morley)
Channing, Francis Allston	Fenwick, Charles	Isaacs, Rufus Daniel

Jacoby, James Alfred	O'Brien, K. (Tipperary Mid.)	Sheehy, David
Joicey, Sir James	O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny)	Shipman, Dr. John.G.
Jones,David Brynmor (Swansea	O'Brien, P. J. (Tipperary, N.)	Sinclair, John (Forfarshire)
Jones, Lief (Appleby)	O'Connor, James(Wick,ow,W.	Slack, John Bamford
Jones, WilliamCornrvonshire	O'Connor, John (Kildare, N.)	Smith, Samuel (Flint)
Joyce, Michael	O'Connor, T. P. (Liverpool)	Soames, Arthur Wollesley
Kearley, Hudson E.	O'Dowd, John	Spencer.Rt HnCR Northants.)
Kennedy, Vincent P.(Cavan,W.	O'Kelly, Conor (Mayo, N.)	Stanhope, Hon. Philip James
Kitson, Sir James	O'Malley, William	Sullivan, Donal
Lambert, George	O'Mara, James	Taylor, Theodore C. (Radcliffe)
Law, Hugh Alex.(Donegal, W.)	O'Shaugtmessy, P. J.	Tennant, Harold John
Lawson, Sir Wilfrid (Cornwall)	Parrott, William	Thomas, Abel (Carmarthen,E,)
Layland-Barratt, Francis	Paulton, James Mellor	Thomas, SirA.(Glamorgan, E.)
Leese,SirJosephF.(Accrington	Pearson, Sir Weetman D	Thomson, F. W. (York, W.R.)
Leng, Sir John	Perks, Robert William	Tomkinson, James
Levy, Maurice	Philipps, John Wynford	Toulmin, George
Lewis, John Herbert	Pirie, Duncan V.	Trevelyan, Charles Philips
Lloyd-George, David	Power, Patrick Joseph	Wallace, Robert
Lough, Thomas	Price, Robert John	Warner, Thomas Conrtenay T.
Lundon, W.	Priestley, Arthur	Wason, Engene (Clackmannan
Lyell, Charles Henry	Rea, Russell	Wason, JohnCathcart(Orkney
Macnamara, Dr. Thomas J.	Reckitt, Harold James	Weir, James Galloway
MacNeill, John Gordon Swift	Reddy, M.	White, George (Norfolk)
MacVeagh, Jeremiah	Redmond,John E (Waterford)	White, Luke (York, E. R.)
M'Arthur, William (Cornwall)	Rickett, J. Compton	Whiteley, George (York.W. R
M'Crae, George	Roberts, John Bryn (Eifion	Whitley, J. H. (Halifax)
M'Kean, John	Roberts, John H. (Denbighs.)	Williams, Osmond (Merioneth)
M'Kenna, Reginald	Robson, William Snowdon	Wilson,CharlesHenry(Hull, N)
M' Laren, Sir CharlesBenjamin	Roe, Sir Thomas	Wilson, Fred.J.(Norfolk,Mid
Mansfield Horace Rendall	Rose, Charles Day	Wilson, Henry J. (York, W.R.)
Markham, Arthur Basil	Runciman, Walter	Wilson, John Durham, Mid.)
Mooney, John J.	Russell, T. W.	Wilson, J.W (Worcestershire,N
Morgan, J. Lloyd (Carmarthen)	Samuel, HerbertL.(Cleveland)	Woodhouse,Sir J T (Hudd'rst'd
Moulton, John Fletcher	Samuel, S M. (Whitechapel)	Yoxall, James Henry
Murphy, John	Schwann, Charles E.
Nolan, Col. JohnP. (Galway,N.)	Shackleton, David James	TELLERS FOR THE NOES—Mr.
Nolan, Joseph (Louth, South)	Shaw, Charles Edw, (Stafford)	Bright and Mr. Ainsworth.
Nussey, Thomas Williams	Shaw, Thomas (Hawick, B.)

Clause 7:—

Amendment proposed— In page 5, line 32, to leave out the word 'landed' and insert the word 'disembark.'"—(Mr. Secretary Akers-Douglas.)

Question, "That the Amondiiient be made," put, and agreed to.

Question put, "That the clause as amended, stand part of the Bill."

MR. MARKHAM (Nottinghamshire, Mansfield)

said that, on a point of order,

AYES.
Agg-Gardner, James Tynte	Baird, John George Alexander	Bigwood, James
Agnew, Sir Andrew Noel	Barcarres, Lord	Bill, Charles
Allhusen, Augustus Henry Eden	Baldwin, Alfred	Bingham, Lord
Allsopp, Hon. George	Balfour, Rt Hn. A J(Manch'r)	Blundell, Colonel Henry
Anson, Sir Wm Reynell	Balfour, Capt. C. B. Hornsey)	Bousfield, William Robert
Arkwright, John Stanhope	Balfour, Rt.HnGeraldWLeeds	Bowles,Lt.Col H F (Middlesex)
Arrol, Sir William	Balfour, Kenneth R.(Christch.	Brassey, Albert
Atkinson, Rt. Hn. John	Banbury,Sir Frederick George	Brodrick, Rt. Hn. St. John
Aubrey-Fletcher,Rt.Hon.Sir H	Barry, Sir F. T. (Windsor)	Brown, Sir Alex. H. (Shropshr.
Bagot, Capt. Josc-line FitzRoy	Bentinck, Lord Henry C.	Brymer, William Ernest
Bailey, James (Walworth)	Bhownaggree, Sir M. M.	Bull, William James
Bain, Colonel James Robert	Bignold, Sir Arthur	Butcher, John George

he desired to point out that whereas the Chairman asked bon. Members on the Opposition Benches to proceed to the lobby on the previous division, Members on the Ministerial Benches were there at that division for five minutes.

THE CHAIRMAN

It is not exactly a point of order; but I hope hon. Members will proceed to the division lobbies for the general convenience of the Committee.

The Committee divided:—Ayes, 248; Noes, 186. (Division List No. 269.)

Campbell, Rt. Hn. J. A. (Glasgow	Haslam, Sir Alfred S.	Pierpoint, Robert
Carson, Et. Hn. Sir Edw. H.	Heath, ArthurHoward(Hanley)	Pilkington, Colonel Richard
Cavendish, V. C. W. Derbysh.	Heath, Sir Jas. (Staffords.NW	Plummer, Sir Walter R.
Cayzer, Sir Charles William	Heaton, John Henniker	Powell, Sir Francis Sharp
Cecil, Evelyn (Aston Manor)	Henderson, Sir A. (Stafford, W	Pretyman, Ernest George
Cecil, Lord Hugh (Greenwich)	Hickman, Sir Alfred	Pryce-Jones, Lt.-Col. Edward
Chamberlain,RtHn J A(Wore.)	Hill, Henry Staveley	Purvis, Robert
Chamberlayne, T. S'thampton	Hoare, Sir Samuel	Rankin, Sir James
Chapman, Edward	Hogg, Lindsay	Rasch, Sir Frederic Carne
Clare, Octavius Leigh	Hope, J.F. (Sheffield,Brightside	Ratcliff, R. F.
Clive, Captain Percy A.	Hoult, Joseph	Heed, Sir Edw. James (Cardiff)
Coates, Edw. Feetham	Houston, Robert Paterson	Reid, James (Greenock)
Cochrane, Hon. Thos. H. A. E.	Howard, J. (Kent, Faversham)	Remnant, James Farquharson
Coghill, Doulas Harry	Howard, J. (Midd., Tottenham)	Renwick, George
Cohen, Benjamin Louis	Hozier, Hon. Jas. Henry Cecil	Ridley, S. Forde
Colston, Chas. Edw. H. Athole	Hunt, Rowland	Ritchie,Rt Hon.Chas,Thomson
Cook, Sir Frederick Lucas	Jameson, Major J. Eustace	Roberts, Samuel (Sheffield)
Corbett, A Cameron (Glasgow)	Jebb, Sir Richard Claverhouse	Robertson, Herbert (Hackney)
Corbett, T. L. (Down, North	Jeffreys, Rt. Hon. ArthurFred.	Rolleston, Sir John F. L.
Cox,Irwin Edward Bainbridge	Jessel, Captain Herbert Morton	Round, Rt. Hon. James
Cross, Alexander (Glasgow)	Kenyon, Hn.Geo. T. (Denbigh)	Royds, Clement Molyneux
Cubitt, Hon. Henry	Kenyon-Slaney, Rt.Hn. Col.W.	Rutherford, John (Lancashire)
Dalkeith, Earl of	Kerr, John	Rutherford, W. W. (Liverpool
Davenport, W. Bromley	Keswick, William	Sackvile, Col. S. G. Stopford
Davies,Sir HoratioD(Chatham	Kimber, Sir Henry	Sadler, Col. Samuel Alexander
Denny, Colonel	King, Sir Henry Seymour	Samuel, Sir-HarryS.(Limehouse
Dickinson, Robert Edmond	Lambton, Hn. Frederick Wm.	Seton-Karr, Sir Henry
Dickson, Charles Scott	Laurie, Lieut.-General	Sharpe, William Edward T.
Disraeli, Coningsby Ralph	Law, Andrew Bonar (Glasgow)	Sinclair Louis (Romford)
Dixon-Hartland, Sir F. Dixon	Lawson,Hn.H L.W.(Mile End)	Smith,H C(North'mb.Tyneside
Dorington, Rt.Hn.Sir John E.	Lee, Arthur H(Hants.,Fareham	Smith, RtHn.JParker(Lanarks
Doughty, Sir George	Lees, Sir Elliott (Birkenhead)	Smith, Hon. W. F. D. (Strand)
Douglas, Rt. Hn. A. Akers-	Legge, Col. Hon. Heneage	Spear, John Ward
Duke, Henry Edward	Lockwood, Lieut.-Col. A. R.	Stanley, Edward Jas (Somerset
Dyke, Rt. Hn. Sir William H.	Long, Col. Chas. W. (Evesham	Stanley, Rt. Hn. Lord (Lancs.
Egerton, Hon. A. de Tatton	Long, Rt. Hn.Walter (Bristol,S	Stewart, Sir Mark J.M'Taggart
Faber, Edmund B. (Hants, W.)	Lowe, Francis William	Stirling-Maxwell, Sir John M.
Faber, George Denison (York)	Loyd, Archie Kirkman	Stock, James Henry
Fardell, Sir T. George	Lucas, Reginald J. (Portsm'th	Stone, Sir Benjamin
Fellowes, Rt Hn Ailwyn Edw.	Lyttelton, Rt. Hon. Alfred	Stroyan, John
Fergusson,Rt,Hn.Sir J.(Manc'r.	Macdona, John Cumming	Strutt, Hon. Charles Hedley
Finch, Rt. Hn. George H.	MacIver, David (Liverpool)	Talbot, Lord E. (Chichester)
Finlay, Sir R. B.(Inv'rn'ssB'ghs	Maconochie, A. W.	Talbot,Rt.Hn.J.G.(Oxf'd Univ.
Fisher, William Hayes	M'Arthur, Charles (Liverpool)	Taylor, Austin (East Toxteth)
Fison, Frederick William	M'Iver, SirLewis(Edinburgh,W	Thorburn, Sir Walter
FitzGerald, Sir Robert Penrose	M'Killop, James (Stirlingshire)	Tollemacbe, Henry James
Flower, Sir Ernest	Malcolm, Ian	Tomlinson, Sir Wm. Edw. M.
Forster, Henry William	Manners, Lord Cecil	Tuff, Charles
Foster,PhillipS(Warwick,SW	Marks, Harry Hananel	Tuke, Sir John Batty
Galloway, William Johnson	Martin, Richard Biddulph	Turnour, Viscount
Gardner, Ernest	Melville, Beresford Valentine	Vincent,Col.SirC.F.H(Sheffield
Garfit, William	Meysey-Thompson, Sir H. M.	Vincent, Sir Edgar (Exeter)
Gibbs, Hon. A. C. H.	MiddlemoreJohnThrogmorton	Walrond, Rt. Hn. Sir Wm. H.
Godson, SirAugustus Frederick	Mildmay, Francis Bingham	Warde, Colonel C. E
Gordon,Hn.J.E (Elgin & Nairn)	Milner, RtHn Sir Frederick G	Welby,Lt.-Col.A C.E.(Taunton
Gordon, Maj Evans(T'rH'mlets	Milvain, Thomas	Welby, Sir Chas. G.E. (Notts.)
Gorst, Rt. Hon. Sir John Eldon	Montagu, G. (Huntingdon)	Wharton, Rt. Hon. John Lloyd
Goschen, Hon. George Joachim	Montagu, Hn. J. Scott (Hants)	Whiteley,H. (Ashton-und Lyne
Goulding, Edward Alfred	Moon, Edward Robert Pacy	Whitemore, Charles Algernon
Graham, Henry Robert	Morgan, D. J. (Walthamstow)	Williams, Colonel R. (Dorset)
Greene, Henry D. (Shrewsbury	Morrell, George Herbert	Willoughby de Eresby, Lord
Greene, W. Raymond (Cambs.)	Morton, Arthur H. Aylmer	Wilson, A. Stanley (York, E.R.
Grenfell, William Henry	Mount, William Arthur	Wilson, John (Glasgow)
Greville, Hon. Ronald	Mowbray, Sir Robert Gray C.	Wilson-Todd, Sir W.H. (Yorks
Guthrie Walter Murray	Murray, Charles J. (Coventry)	Wolff, Gustay Wilhelm
Hain, Edward	Murray Col. Wyndham (Bath)	Worsley-Taylor, Henry Wilson
Hall, Edward Marshall	Myers, William Henry	Wrightson, Sir Thomas
Halsey, Rt, Hon. Thomas F.	Nicholson, William Graham	Wyndham-Quin, Col. W. H.
Hambro, Charles Eric	Palmer, Sir Walter (Salisbury)
Hamilton,Marq.of (L'nd'nderry	Parkes, Ebenezer	TELLERS FOR THE AYES—Sir
Hardy,Laurence (Kent,Ashford	Peel, Hn.W. R. Wellesley	Alexander Acland-Hood and
Hare, Thomas Leigh	Percy, Earl	Viscount Valentia.

NOES.
Abraham, William (Cork, N.E.	Haldane, Rt. Hon. Richard B.	Paulton, James Mellor
Abraham, William (Rhondda)	Hammond, John	Pearson, Sir Weetman D.
Ainsworth, John Stirling	Hardie, J.Keir(MerthyrTydvil)	Perks, Robert William
Allen, Charles P.	Harmsworth, R. Leicester	Philipps, John Wynford
Ambrose, Robert	Harwood, George	Piric, Duncan V.
Ashton, Thomas Gair	Hayden, John Patrick	Power, Patrick Joseph
Austin, Sir John	Hayter, Rt, Hn. Sir Arthur D.	Priestley, Arthur
Baker, Joseph Allen	Helme, Norval Watson	Rea, Russell
Barlow, John Emmott	Henderson, Arthur (Durham)	Reckitt, Harold James
Beaumont, Wentworth C. B.	Higham, John Sharp	Reddy, M.
Benn, John Williams	Holland, Sir William Henry	Redmond, John E.(Waterfom)
Black, Alexander William	Humphreys-Owen, Arthur C.	Rickett, J. Compton
Boland, John	Hutchinson, Dr. Chas. Fredk	Roberts, John Bryn (Eifion)
Bolton, Thomas Dolling	Hutton, Alfred F. (Morley)	Robson, William Snowdon
Brigg, John	Isaacs, Rufus Daniel	Roe, Sir Thomas
Bright, Allan Heywood	Jacoby, James Alfred	Rose, Charles Day
Broadhurst, Henry	Joicey, Sir James	Runciman, Walter
Bryce, Rt. Hon. James	Jones, David B. (Swansea)	Russell, T. W.
Buchanan, Thomas Ryburn	Jones, Leif (Appleby)	Samuel, S. M. (Whitechapel)
Burke, E. Haviland	Jones, William (Carnarvonshire	Schwann, Charles E.
Burt, Thomas	Joyce, Michael	Shackleton, David James
Buxton,NE(York,NR,Whitby)	Kearley, Hudson E.	Shaw, Chas. Edw. (Stafford)
Caldwell, James	Kennedy, Vincent P. (Cavan,W	Shaw, Thomas (Hawick B.)
Campbell-Bannerman, Sir H.	Kitson, Sir James	Sheehy, David
Causton, Richard Knight	Lambert, George	Shipman, Dr. John G.
Cawley, Frederick	Law, Hugh Alex. (Donegal, W.)	Sinclair, John (Forfarshire)
Channing, Francis Allston	Lawson, Sir Wilfrid (Cornwall)	Slack, John Bamford
Cheetham, John Frederick	Layland-Barratt, Francis	Smith, Samuel (Flint)
Condon, Thomas Joseph	Leese, Sir J. F. (Accrington)	Soames, Arthur Wellesley
Craig, Robert Hunter (Lanark)	Leng, Sir John	Spencer, Rt.Hn.CR.(Northants
Cremer, William Randal	Levy, Maurice	Stanhope, Hon. Philip James
Crombie, John William	Lewis, John Herbert	Sullivan, Donal
Cullinan, J.	Lough, Thomas	Taylor, Theodore C. (Radcliffe)
Dalziel, James Henry	Lundon, W.	Tennant, Harold John
Davies, M. Vaughan (Cardigan	Lyell, Charles Henry	Thomas, Abel (Carmarthen, E.)
Delany, William	Macnamara, Dr. Thomas J.	Thomas, Sir A. (Glamorgan,E.
Devlin, Chas. Ramsay (Galway)	MacNeill, John Cordon Swift	Thomas, David A. (Merthyr)
Dewar, John A. (Inverness-sh.	MacVeagh, Jeremiah	Thomson, F. W. (York, W. R.)
Dilke, Rt. Hon. Sir Charles	M'Arthur, William (Cornwall)	Tomkinson, James
Dobbie, Joseph	M'Crae, George	Toulmin, George
Donelan, Captain A.	M'Kean, John	Wallace, Robert
Doogan, P. C.	M'Kenna, Reginald	Warner, Thomas Courtenay T.
Douglas, Charles M. (Lanark)	M'Laren, Sir Chas. Benjamin	Wason, Eugene (Clackmannan)
Duncan, J. Hastings	Mansfield, Horace Rendall	Wason, JohnCathcart(Orkney)
Dunn, Sir William	Markham, Arthur Basil	Weiir, James Galloway
Edwards, Frank	Mooney, John J.	White, George (Norfolk)
Elibank, Master of	Morgan, J. Lloyd (Carmarthen)	White, Luke (York. E. R.)
Ellice, CaptEC(S. Andr'wsB'ghs	Moss, Samuel	Whiteley, George (York,W.R.)
Ellis, John Edward (Notts.)	Murphy, John	Whitley, J. H. (Halifax)
Emmott, Alfred	Nolan, Col. John P.(Galway,N.	Williams, Osmond (Merioneth)
Evans,SirFrancisH(Maidstone	Nolan, Joseph (Louth, South)	Wilson, Chas. Henry (Hull, W.)
Eve, Harry Trelawney	Nussey, Thomas Willans	Wilson, Fred. W.(Norfolk, Mid)
Fenwick, Charles	O'Brien, K. (Tipperary, Mid)	Wilson, Henry J. (York, W.R)
Field, William	O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny)	Wilson, John (Durham, Mid.)
Findlay, Alexander(Lanark, NE	O'Brien, P. J. (Tipperary, N.)	Woodhouse,Sir J. T. (Huddersf'd
Fitzmaurice, Lord Edmond	O'Connor, Jas. (Wicklow, W.)	Yoxall, James Henry
Flavin, Michael Joseph	O'Connor, John (Kildare, N.)
Flynn, James Christopher	O'Connor, T. P. (Liverpool)
Foster, Sir Walter (Derby Co)	O'Dowd, John	TELLERS FOR THE NOES—Mr.
Freeman-Thomas, Captain F.	O'Kelly, Conor (Mayo, N.)	Trevelyan and Mr. Herb.
Fuller, J. M. F.	O'Malley, William	Samuel.
Gladstone,Rt.HnHerbertJohn	O'Shaughnessy, P. J.
Grant, Corrie	Parrott, William
Grey,Rt.Hon.SirE.(Berwick)
Griffith, Ellis J.
Gurdon, Sir W. Brampton

Clause 8:—

MR. FULLER (Wiltshire, Westbury)

said the Amendment he now moved was to leave out of Clause 8, at line 15, tha word "steerage." He would have been glad to see the Government base this Bill mainly on the principle of Clause 3, but if there was to be this examination, and the Committee had agreed that there was to be, then he submitted it was not desirable to confine it only to steerage passengers. It was alien to our laws and the best traditions of this country that persons should be refused a Sanding on these shores simply because they were poor. Further than that, it was quite obvious that employers of foreign labour and other importers of aliens could quite easily avoid the provisions of this Bill as it at present stood by giving undesirable aliens a second-class ticket, and thus making thorn cabin passengers. Undesirable aliens who came into this country were by no means confined to steerage passengers, and if this Bill was to be operative it was essential that this Amendment should be accepted so that an examination should be made of all aliens at the port of immigration. He bagged to move.

Amendment proposed— In page 6, line 15, to leave out the word 'steerage.'"—(Mr. Fuller.)

Question proposed, '"That the word 'steerage' stand part of the clause."

SIR ROBERT FINLAY

said that if the Amendment were adopted it would have the effect of remodelling the Bill. The principle on which the Bill was drawn was that they were to provide for the inspection of those who invariably came as steerage passengers. If they were to provide for the inspection of all immigrants, whether cabin or steerage, they would have to have a most elaborate system of examination at all their ports. There would have, for instance, to be an immigration board at Dover.

MR. FULLER

said that Dover was not an immigration port.

SIR ROBERT FINLAY

said that was true, but the scheme of this Amendment was that all people coming into this country must be examined, and Dover, under those circumstances, might at once become an immigration port. There were only two possible ways of dealing with this matter; one, the way in which the Bill as drawn proposed to deal with it, by examining all who came in at specified ports, and the other to examine all persons who came into this country.

MR. WHITLEY (Halifax)

expressed his regret that the hon. and learned Gentleman had refused to accept this Amendment in so curt a manner. He said that it was perfectly obvious that those who had 2s. to spare for their passage across the Channel could convert themselves into cabin passengers and thus evade the law, and it would be the class of alien that came into the country in that way which would be the most undesirable. It would be the prostitute, the person who lived on prostitution, and the expert criminal who would pay this extra money, and so gain admission into the country without examination. The Government deliberately refused an Amendment which would enable them to catch these people as they came in instead of having to resort to the elaborate and difficult process of catching them and turning them out after they had come in. He was sorry this line had been taken by the Government, more especially having regard to the fact that it was to be left to the Home Secretary to define what a steerage passenger was. He thought that that definition ought to be given now, as that was really the pivot on which the Bill turned.

MR. FLYNN (Cork, N.)

said the common sense of the people of these islands had long decided the principle of sumptuary laws, and this was a sumptuary law pure and simple. The persons who would be able to come into this country were the forgers, the bankrupts, the expert criminals, and all those classes of undesirables who invariably travelled first class. They were not excluded by this Bill, which only penalised the industrious immigrant whose poverty compelled him to travel steerage. He thought the demand of his hon. friend the Member for Halifax for a definition of a steerage passenger was a reasonable one, there being on most boats three classes of passengers.

And, it being half-past Seven of the clock, the Chairman left the Chair to make his Report to the House.

Committee report Progress; to sit again this evening.