§ THE PRIME MINISTER AND FIRST LORD OF THE TREASURY (Mr. A. J. BALFOUR, Manchester, E.)rose to move—"That the proceedings on the Motion relating to Aliens Bill (Procedure), if under discussion at Twelve o'clock this evening, be not interrupted under the Standing Order (Sittings of the House), and may be resumed at any hour though opposed."
MR. GIBSON BOWLES (Lynn Regis)said before the Resolution was moved he desired to ask whether the words "and may be resumed at any hour though opposed" did not take the Motion out of the category of Motions which came under Standing Order I., and could be decided without Amendment or debate. He submitted that the addition of these words left the Motion open to Amendment and debate. A similar question was raised in regard to the same words in March, 1903. On that occasion Mr. Speaker Gully informed him that in his opinion these words would take the matter out of the Standing Order, the discussion on the Motion was allowed to continue, and three speakers took part in it.
§ MR. SPEAKERIf the matter had come before me as res integra, I should have had no hesitation in ruling that the Motion of the Prime Minister could have been taken under Standing Order I, because the words are—
A Motion made by a Minister of the Crown shall be decided without Amendment or debate to the following effect:—'That the proceedings on any specified business if under discussion at Twelve o'clock this night be not interrupted under the Standing Order (Sittings of the House).'That is obviously a form of words which cannot be used in any particular case. The words "on any specified business" must admit of alteration; otherwise they would be nonsense. They cannot be moved in that form. Therefore, if this matter had been brought before the House for the first time to-day, I should have had no hesitation in ruling that this Motion would have come within Standing Order I. But my attention has been called by the hon. Member to 1145 what occurred in March, 1903, and the Lon. Member has informed the House that he obtained the ruling of the Speaker on the matter. That being so, I am bound by what has occurred, and, in that case, if the Motion is made in the form in which it now stands on the Paper, a debate will be allowed.
§ MR. A. J. BALFOURThen, Mr. Speaker, I ask you to put the Resolution without the words to which my hon. friend has taken objection. [OPPOSITION cries of "No."]
§ MR. JOHN REDMOND (Waterford)asked whether it would be in order for the right hon. Gentleman to move a Motion on this subject of which he had not given notice.
§ MR. SPEAKERThe right hon. Gentleman has given notice.
§ MR. JOHN REDMONDpointed out that the right hon. Gentleman now proposed to move a Motion in terms different from those on the Paper.
§ MR. A. J. BALFOURMay I ask you, 'Sir, whether, although it is usual to give notice with that courtesy to which I
§ imagine every Leader of this House will desire to conform, it is any part of the rules of the House, and whether my Motion would not be perfectly valid even if I had not given notice?
§ MR. JOHN ELLIS (Nottinghamshire, Rushcliffe)It has become, not perhaps a rule, but a custom of the House and ought not to be departed from.
§ MR. SPEAKERThe Prime Minister is entitled to move his Motion down to and including the word "House." He would not be entitled to extend the Motion in any way. If he diminishes it, no exception can be taken.
§ MR. A. J. BALFOURthen moved the Motion as amended.
§ Motion made, and Question put, "That the proceedings on the Motion relating to Aliens Bill (Procedure), if under discussion at Twelve o'clock this evening, be not interrupted under the Standing Order (Sittings of the House)."—(Mr. A. J. Balfour.)
§ The House divided:—Ayes, 233; Noes 159. (Division List No. 241.)
1149| AYES. | ||
| Allsopp, Hn. George | Carson, Rt. Hn. Sir Edw. H. | Egerton, Hn. A. de Tatton |
| Anson, Sir Wm. Reynell | Cavendish, V. C. W. (Derbysh. | Fardell, Sir T George |
| Arkwright, John Stanhope | Cayzer, Sir Chas. William | Fellowes, Rt Hn Ailwyn Edw. |
| Arnold-Forster, Rt Hn Hugh O. | Chamberlain, Rt. Hn. J A (Worc. | Fergusson, Rt Hn Sir J (Manc'r |
| Arrol, Sir William | Chapman, Edward | Fielden, Edward Brocklehurst |
| Atkinson, Rt. Hn. John | Clive, Captain Percy A. | Finch, Rt. Hon. George H. |
| Bagot, Capt. Josceline FitzRoy | Cochrane, Hn. Thos. H. A. E. | Finlay, Sir R. B. (Inv'rn'ss Bghs |
| Bailey, James (Walworth) | Coddington, Sir William | Firbank, Sir Joseph Thomas |
| Bain, Colonel James Robert | Cohen, Benjamin Louis | Fisher, William Hayes |
| Baird, John George Alexander | Colston, Chas. Edw. H. Athole | Fison, Frederick William |
| Balcarres, Lord | Compton, Lord Alwyne | FitzGerald, Sir Robert Penrose |
| Balfour, Rt Hn A. J. (Manch'r) | Corbett, T. L. (Down, North) | Flannery, Sir Fortescue |
| Balfour, Capt. C. B (Hornsey | Cox, Irwin Edward Bainbridge | Flower, Sir Ernest |
| Balfour, Rt Hn Gerald W (Leeds) | Cross, Herb. Shepherd (Bolton) | Forster, HenryWilliam |
| Banbury, Sir Frederick George | Crossley, Rt. Hn. Sir Savile | Galloway, William Johnson |
| Banner, John S. Harmood- | Cubitt, Hon. Henry | Gardner, Ernest |
| Barry, Sir F. T. (Windsor) | Dalkeith, Earl of | Garfit, William |
| Bartley, Sir George C. T. | Dalrymple, Sir Charles | Godson, Sir Augustus Fredk. |
| Bathurst, Hn. Allen Benjamin | Davenport, William Bromley | Gordon, Hn. J. E. (Elgin & Nairn |
| Bignold, Sir Arthur | Davies, Sir H. D. (Chatham) | Gordon, J. (Londonderry, S.) |
| Bill, Charles | Denny, Colonel | Gordon, Maj Evans (T'rH'mlets |
| Bingham, Lord | Dickinson, Robert Edmond | Gore, Hn. S. F. Ormsby- |
| Boulnois, Edmund | Dickson, Charles Scott | Gorst, Rt. Hn. Sir John Eldon |
| Bowles, T. Gibson (King's Lynn | Disraeli, Coningsby Ralph | Graham, Henry Robert |
| Brodrick, Rt. Hn. St. John | Dixon-Hartland, Sir F. Dixon | Green, Walford D (Wednesbury |
| Brotherton, Edward Allen | Dorington, Rt. Hn. Sir John E. | Greene, Sir EW (Bury S Edmunds |
| Brown, Sir [Alex. H. (Shropsh. | Doughty, Sir George | Greene, Henry D. (Shrewsbury |
| Brymer, William Ernest | Douglas, Rt. Hn. A. Akers- | Greene, W. Raymond (Cambs) |
| Campbell, Rt. Hn. JA (Glasgow | Doxford, Sir William Theodore | Grenfell, William Henry |
| Campbell, JHM(Dublin Univ. | Dyke, Rt. Hn. Sir Wm. Hart | Guthrie, Walter Murray |
| Hain, Edwaod | M'Killop, James (Stirlingshire | Rollit, Sir Albert Kaye |
| Halsey, Rt. Hn. Thomas F. | Malcolm, Ian | Ropner, Colonel Sir Robert |
| Hamilton, Rt Hn Lord G (Midd'x | Manners, Lord Cecil | Round, Rt. Hon. James |
| Hamilton, Marq of (L'nd'nderry | Marks, Harry Hananel | Royds, Clement Molyneux |
| Hardy, L. (Kent, Ashford) | Maxwell, Rt Hn Sir H E(Wigt'n | Rutherford, John (Lancashire) |
| Hare, Thomas Leigh | Melville, Beresford Valentine | Rutherford, W. W. (Liverpool) |
| Haslam, Sir Alfred S. | Meysey-Thompson, Sir H. M. | Sackville, Co. S. G. Stopford |
| Hay, Hn. Claude George | Middlemore, J. Throgmorton | Samuel, Sir H. S. (Limehouse |
| Heath, Arthur Howard (Hanley | Milvain, Thomas | Sassoon, Sir Edward Albert |
| Heath, Sir Jas (Staffords. N. W. | Mitchell, William (Burnley) | Scott, Sir S. (Marylebone, W. |
| Heaton, John Henniker | Molesworth, Sir Lewis | Sharpe, William Edward T. |
| Helder, Augustus | Montagu, Hn. J. Scott (Hants | Shaw-Stewart, Sir H(Renfrew) |
| Henderson, Sir A. (Stafford, W. | Moon, Edward Robert Pacy | Skewes-Cox, Thomas |
| Hermon-Hodge, Sir Robert T. | Morgan, D. J. Walthamstow | Sloan, Thomas Henry |
| Hickman, Sir Alfred | Morrell, George Herbert | Smith, H C (North'mb Tyneside |
| Hoare, Sir Samuel | Morrison, James Archibald | Smith, Rt Hn J Parker (Lanarks |
| Hope, J F (Sheffield, Brightside | Morton, Arthur H. Aylmer | Spear, John Ward |
| Houldsworth, Sir Wm. Henry | Mount, William Arthur | Stanley, Edw. Jas. (Somerset) |
| Howard, J. (Midd., Tottenham | Mowbray, Sir Robert Gray C. | Stanley, Rt. Hn. Lord (Lancs.), |
| Hudson, George Bickersteth | Muntz, Sir Philip A. | Stone, Sir Benjamin |
| Hunt, Rowland | Murray, Chas. J. (Coventry) | Talbot, Lord E (Chichester) |
| Hutton, John (Yorks. N. R.) | Murray, Col. Wyndham (Bath) | Talbot, Rt. Hn J B (Oxf'd Univ. |
| Jameson, Major J. Eustace | Myers, William Henry | Taylor, Austin (East Toxteth) |
| Jebb, Sir Richard Claverhouse | Nicholson, William Graham | Thorburn, Sir Walter |
| Jeffreys, Rt. Hn. Arthur Fred | O'Neill, Hn. Robert Torrens | Thornton, Percy M. |
| Kenyon, Hn. Geo. T. (Denbigh) | Parker, Sir Gilbert | Tomlinson, Sir Wm. Edw. M. |
| Kerr, John | Parkes, Ebenezer | Tuff, Charles |
| Keswick, William | Pease, Herb. Pike (Darlington) | Tufnell, Lieut.-Col. Edward |
| Kimber, Sir Henry | Peel, Hn. Wm. Robt. Wellesley | Tuke, Sir John Batty |
| Knowles, Sir Lees | Percy, Earl | Vincent, Col Sir CEH (Sheffield |
| Lambton, Hn. Frederick Wm. | Pierpoint, Robert | Walker, Col. William Hall |
| Laurie, Lieut.-General | Pilkington, Colonel Richard | Walrond, Rt. Hn. Sir Wm. H |
| Law, Andrew Bonar (Glasgow) | Platt-Higgins, Frederick | Welby, Lt.-Col A.C.E. (Taunton |
| Lawrence, Sir J. (Monm'th) | Plummer, Sir Walter R. | Welby, Sir Chas. GE (Notts.) |
| Lawson, Hn. H.L.W. (Mile End | Powell, Sir Francis Sharp | Wilson, A. Stanley (York, E. R. |
| Lee, Arthur H (Hants, Fareham | Pretyman, Ernest George | Wilson, John (Glasgow) |
| Lees, Sir Elliott (Birkenhead | Pryce-Jones, Lt.-Col. Edward | Wilson-Todd, Sir W. H. (Yorks |
| Legge, Col. Hn. Heneage | Randles, John S. | Wodehouse, Rt Hn E. R. (Bath) |
| Leveson-Gower, Frederick N S | Rankin, Sir James | Worsley-Taylor, Henry Wilson |
| Llewelyn, Evan Henry | Rasch, Sir Frederic Carne | Wortley, Rt. Hn. C. B. Stuart |
| Long, Col. Chas. W. (Evesham | Ratcliff, R. F. | Wrightson, Sir Thomas |
| Long, Rt Hn Walter (Bristol, S. | Reed, Sir Edw. James (Cardiff) | Wylie, Alexander |
| Lowe, Francis William | Reid, James (Greenock) | Wyndham, Rt. Hn. George |
| Loyd, Archie Kirkman | Renshaw, Sir Charles Bine | Wyndham-Quin, Col. W. H. |
| Lucas, Reginald J (Portsmouth | Ridley, S. Forde | Yerburgh, Robert Armstrong |
| Lyttelton, Rt. Hon. Alfred | Ritchie, Rt Hn Chas. Thomson | |
| Macdona, John Cumming | Roberts, Samuel (Sheffield) | TELLERS FOR THE AYES—Sir Alexander Acland-Hood and Viscount Valentia. |
| MacIver, David (Liverpool) | Robertson, Herb. (Hackney) | |
| M'Arthur, Charles (Liverpool) | Rolleston, Sir John F. L. | |
| NOES. | ||
| Abraham, Wm. (Cork, N. E. | Cameron, Robert | Duncan, J. Hastings |
| Ainsworth, John Stirling | Campbell, John (Armagh, S.) | Edwards, Frank |
| Allen, Charles P. | Campbell-Bannerman, Sir H. | Elibank, Master of |
| Atherley-Jones, L. | Cawley, Frederick | Ellice, Capt EC (SAndrw'sBghs) |
| Baker, Joseph Allen | Channing, Francis Allston | Ellis, John Edward (Notts) |
| Barlow, John Emmott | Cogan, Denis J. | Emmott, Alfred |
| Barry, E. (Cork, S.) | Condon, Thomas Joseph | Fenwick, Charles |
| Bayley, Thomas (Derbyshire) | Cremer, William Randal | Ferguson, R. C. Munro (Leith) |
| Benn, John Williams | Crombie, John William | Ffrench, Peter |
| Black, Alexander William | Cullinan, J. | Findlay, Alex. (Lanark, N. E.) |
| Boland, John | Dalziel, James Henry | Flavin, Michael Joseph |
| Brigg, John | Davies, M. Vaughan (Cardigan | Flynn, James Christopher |
| Bright, Allan Heywood | Devlin, Chas. Ramsay (Galway | Fowler, Rt Hn. Sir Henry |
| Broadhurst, Henry | Devlin, Joseph (Kilkenny, N.) | Freeman-Thomas, Captain F. |
| Bryce, Rt. Hn. James | Dewar, John A. (Inverness-sh. | Goddard, Daniel Ford |
| Buchanan, Thomas Ryburn | Dilke, Rt. Hn. Sir Charles | Grant, Corrie |
| Burke, E. Haviland | Dobbie, Joseph | Griffith, Ellis J. |
| Burt, Thomas | Donelan, Captain A. | Gurdon, Sir W. Brampton |
| Buxton, Sydney Chas. (Poplar) | Doogan, P C. | Hammond, John |
| Caldwell, James | Duffy, William J. | Hayden, John Patrick |
| Hayter, Rt. Hn. Sir Arthur D. | Mooney, John J. | Russell, T. W. |
| Helme, Norval Watson | Morgan, J. Lloyd (Carmarthen | Schwann, Charles E. |
| Hemphill, Rt. Hn. Charles H. | Moss, Samuel | Seely, Maj J E B (Isle of Wight |
| Higham, John Sharp | Muldoon, John | Shackleton, David James |
| Hobhouse, C. EH (Bristol, E.) | Murphy, John | Shaw, Thomas (Hawick B.) |
| Holland, Sir William Henry | Nannetti, Joseph P. | Sheehy, David |
| Hope, John Deans (Fife, West | Nolan, Joseph (Louth, South) | Shipman, Dr. John G. |
| Horniman, Frederick John | Nussey, Thomas Willans | Soames, Arthur Wellesley |
| Hutchinson, Dr. Chas. Fredk. | O'Brien, K. (Tipperary, Mid | Spencer, Rt. Hn CR(Northants) |
| Jacoby, James Alfred | O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny) | Sullivan, Donal |
| Jones, D. Brynmor (Swansea) | O'Brien, P. J. (Tipperary, N.) | Taylor, Theodore C. (Radcliffe |
| Jones, Leif (Appleby) | O'Connor, Jas. (Wicklow, W) | Tennant, Harold John |
| Jones, Wm. (Carnarvonshire) | O'Connor, John (Kildare, N.) | Thomas Sir A. (Glamorgan, E.) |
| Jordan, Jeremiah | O'Dowd, John | Tomkinson, James |
| Joyce, Michael | O'Kelly, Conor (Mayo, N.) | Trevelyan, Charles Philips |
| Kennedy, Vincent P (Cavan, W | O'Kelly, Jas. (Roscommon, N. | Wallace, Robert |
| Kilbride, Denis | O'Shaughnessy, P. J. | Walton, Joseph (Barnsley) |
| Kitson, Sir James | Partington, Oswald | Warner, Thomas Courtenay T. |
| Lamont, Norman | Paulton, James Mellor | Wason, John Cathcart (Orkney |
| Lawson, Sir Wilfrid (Cornwall | Perks, Robert William | White, George (Norfolk) |
| Layland-Barratt, Francis | Philipps, John Wynford | White, Luke (York, E. R.) |
| Leese, Sir J. F. (Accrington) | Pirie, Duncan V. | Whiteley, George (York, W. R. |
| Leigh, Sir Joseph | Power, Patrick Joseph | Whitley, J. H. (Halifax) |
| Leng, Sir John | Price, Robert John | Williams, Osmond (Merioneth |
| Lewis, John Herbert | Priestley, Arthur | Wilson, Henry J (York, W. R.) |
| Lloyd-George, David | Rea, Russell | Wilson, John (Durham, Mid.) |
| Lough, Thomas | Reddy, M. | Wilson, John (Falkirk) |
| Lundon, W. | Redmond, John E. (Waterford | Wilson, J. W. (Worcestersh. N. |
| Lyell, Chas. Henry | Reid, Sir R. Threshie (Dumfries | Young, Samuel |
| MacNeill, John Gordon Swift | Rickett, J. Compton | |
| MacVeagh, Jeremiah | Robertson, Edmund (Dundee) | TELLERS FOR THE NOES—Mr. Herbert Gladstone and Mr. Causton. |
| M'Crae, George | Roche, Augustine (Cork) | |
| M'Kenna, Reginald | Roe, Sir Thomas | |
| M'Killop, W. (Sligo, North) | Rose, Charles Day, | |
| Markham, Arthur Basil | Runciman, Walter |