HC Deb 09 August 1904 vol 139 cc1688-91

Considered in Committee.

(In the Committee.)

[Mr. J. W. LOWTHER (Cumberland, Penrith) in the Chair.]

Motion made, and Question proposed, "That towards making goad the Supply granted to His Majesty for the Service of the year ending on the 31st day of March, 1905, the sum of £73,083,164, be granted out of the Consolidated Fund of the United Kingdom."—(Mr. Chancellor of the Exchequer.)

MR. MCKENNA (Monmouthshire, N.)

said he might take this opportunity of asking the First Lord of the Treasury how far he meant to go with business at that time of the morning?


said it was all a question of balance of convenience. He understood that no length of time would be occupied in discussing the Eleventh Order, Education (Local Authority Default) Bill. He did not propose to take the Committee on the Cunard Agreement Bill. He hoped there would be no difficulty on the score of the Indian Councils Bill and there were several other measures of minor importance which he thought the House might agree to.

*MR. MACVEAGH (Down, S.)

said he hoped the First Lord would not take the Expiring Laws Continuance Bill. They had had a Coercion Act in Ireland since 1881 with subsequent amending Acts, and year after year they were continued in force by being smuggled through the House under the Expiring Laws Continuance Bill at three o'clock in the morning. The Irish Members thought that if this Bill was to be passed they should have

an opportunity of entering their protest at a time when they could fairly discuss and when the House could understand the Bill.


said he hoped the hon. Member would remember that, however objectionable these Acts seemed to him, and in some respects to others, the Government were only following the universal practice in including them in the Expiring Laws Continuance Bill.

MR. SYDNEY BUXTON (Tower Hamlets. Poplar)

asked if the Government intended to take Order No. 13 that night.


said that it was not proposed to take that Order; but he hoped the hon. Gentleman would facilitate the passage of the Expiring Laws Continuance Bill.

MR. HERBERT SAMUEL (Yorkshire, Cleveland)

asked if the right hon. Gentleman would give facilities for the Criminal Aliens Bill.

Question put.

The Committee divided:—Ayes, 126, Noes, 33. (Division List No. 328.)

Agg-Gardner, James Tynte Dalkeith, Earl of Hunt, Rowland
Anson, Sir William Reynell Davenport, W. Bromley- Jameson, Major J. Eustace
Arkwright, John Stanhope Davies, Sir Horatio D. (Chatham Jessel, Captain Herbert Merton
Arnold-Forster, Rt. Hn. Hugh O. Dickson, Charles Scott Keswick, William
Arrol, Sir William Disraeli, Coningsby Ralph Knowles, Sir Lees
Atkinson, Rt. Hon. John Douglas, Rt. Hon. A. Akers- Law, Andrew Bonar (Glasgow)
Bain, Colonel James Robert Doxford, Sir William Theodore Lawrence, Win. F. (Liverpool)
Balcarres, Lord Durning-Lawrence, Sir Edwin Lee, Arthur H. (Hants., Fareham
Balfour, Rt. Hn. A. J. (Manch'r Fergusson Rt. Hn. Sir J. (Manc'r Legge, Col. Hon. Heneage
Balfour, Rt Hn Gerald W. (Leeds Finlay, Sir Robert Bannatyne Leveson-Gower, Frederick N. S.
Bathurst, Hon. Allen Benjamin Firbank, Sir Joseph Thomas Loder, Gerald Walter Erskine
Bingham, Lord Fisher, William Hayes Long, Col. Chas. W. (Evesham
Blundell, Colonel Henry Fitzroy, Hon. Edward Algernon Long, Rt. Hon. Walter (Bristol, S.
Boscawen, Arthur Griffith- Flannery, Sir Fortescue Lonsdale, John Brownlee
Brassey, Albert Forster, Henry William Lucas, Col. Francis (Lowestoft)
Brodrick, Rt. Hon. St. John Galloway, William Johnson Lucas, Reginald J. (Portsmouth
Butcher, John George Gardner, Ernest Lyttelton, Rt. Hon. Alfred
Carson, Rt. Hon. Sir Edw. H. Gordon, Hon. J. E. (Elgin & Nairn Macdona, John Cumming
Cavendish, V. C. W. (Derbyshire Gordon, J. (Londonderry, South Maconochie, A. W.
Cecil, Evelyn (Aston Manor) Goschen, Hon. George Joachim M'Arthur, Charles (Liverpool)
Cecil, Lord Hugh (Greenwich) Gray, Ernest (West Ham) Malcolm, Ian
Chamberlain Rt Hn. J. A. (Worc. Greene, Henry D. (Shrewsbury) Massey-Mainwaring, Hn. W. F.
Clare, Octavius Leigh Grenfell, William Henry Montagu, G. (Huntingdon)
Cochrane, Hon. Thos. H. A. E. Gretton, John Morgan, David J. (Walthamstow
Colston, Chas. Edw. H. Athole Hamilton, Marq. of (L'donderry Morpeth, Viscount
Compton, Lord Alwyne Heath, James (Staffords., N. W.) Morrell, George Herbert
Corbett, T. L. (Down, North) Helder, Augustus Murray, Rt, Hn. A. Graham (Bute
Craig, Chas. Curtis (Antrim, S. Hope, J. F. (Sheffield, Brightside Murray, Charles J. (Coventry)
Crossley, Rt. Hon. Sir Savile Hudson, George Bickersteth Myers, William Henry
Newdegate, Francis A. N. Ridley, Hon. M. W. (Stalybridge) Tomlinson, Sir Wm. Edw. M.
Nicholson, William Graham Roberts, Samuel (Sheffield) Tuff, Charles
Parkes, Ebenezer Robertson, Herbert (Hackney) Valentia, Viscount
Pease, Herbert Pike (Darlington Round, Rt. Hon. James Warde, Colonel C. E.
Percy, Earl Rutherford, W. W. (Liverpool) Webb, Colonel William George
Pierpoint, Robert Sackville, Col. S. G. Stopford- Whiteley, H. (Ashton und. Lyne
Platt-Higgins, Frederick Sandys, Lieut.-Col. Thos. Myles Williams, Colonel R. (Dorset)
Plummer, Sir Walter R. Sharpe, William Edward T. Wrightson, Sir Thomas
Powell, Sir Francis Sharp Skewes-Cox, Thomas Wyndham, Rt. Hon. George
Pretyman, Ernest George Smith, Hon. W. F. D. (Strand)
Pryce-Jones, Lt.-Col. Edward Spear, John Ward TELLERS FOR THE AYES—Sir Alexander Acland-Hood and Mr. Ailwyn Fellowes.
Randles, John S. Stanley, Rt. Hon. Lord (Lancs.)
Ratcliff, R. F. Talbot, Lord E. (Chichester)
Reid, James (Greenock) Taylor, Austin (East Toxteth)
Remnant, James Farquharson Thornton, Percy M.
Brigg, John Jones, David Brynmor (Swansea Thomas, David Alfred (Merthyr)
Bright, Allan Heywood Jones, William (Carnarvonshire Toulmin, George
Caldwell, James Kilbride, Denis Tully, Jasper
Delany, William Layland-Barratt, Francis Warner, Thomas Courtenay T.
Doogan, P. C. Lewis, John Herbert White, Luke (York, E. R.)
Elibank, Master of M'Kenna, Reginald Whitley, J. H. (Halifax)
Emmott, Alfred Moss, Samuel Wilson, Henry J. (York, W. R.
Ffrench, Peter Norman, Henry
Grant, Corrie Roberts, John Bryn (Eifion) TELLERS FOR THE NOES—Mr. MacVeagh and Mr. Boland.
Griffith, Ellis J. Samuel, Herbert L. (Cleveland)
Helme, Norval Watson Samuel, S. M. (Whitechapel)
Higham, John Sharpe Shackleton, David James
Hobhouse, C. E. H. (Bristol, E.) Sullivan, Donal

Bill read a second time, and committed for to-morrow.

Resolution to be reported to-morrow.