HC Deb 29 October 1902 vol 113 cc1156-80

Considered in Committee.

(In the Committee.)

[MR. J. W. LOWTHERS (Cumberland, Penrith) in the Chair.]

Clause 8:—

(10.39.) MR. WHITLEY

said the Amendment he desired to move bad reference to the removal of foundation managers for certain reasons. The First Lord of the Treasury, at an earlier stage, had indicated that there would be no power to remove these managers. He thought that the Committee would agree with him that power ought to be given to the local authority or to the Education Department to remove managers who failed to carry out the conditions under which the voluntary schools had been placed on public funds, and who deliberately overstepped the authority given to them under the Act. The Committee was well acquainted with the working or non-working of the Conscience Clause; and what his Amendment asked was that the children and their parents should be protected from the possibility of managers evading the Conscience Clause by entering the schools at hours other than the hours allocated to religious instruction, and at a time when the children could not be withdrawn under the Conscience Clause acting in a manner which was really contrary to the protection given by Parliament to the children of Nonconformists under the Conscience Clause. The Prime Minister, on a former occasion, asked him not to tell any more blood curdling stories, and in order to save the right hon. Gentleman's feeling, he would put the kind of action to which he referred in a form which the Committee would recognise as of frequent occurrence. A manager might enter the school during the course of the ordinary lessons, and call on the children to attend a religious service in the church. That was not an infrequent, and was, in fact, a growing practice. He had no objection to the managers taking the children of their own denomination to church or chapel during the time devoted to religious instruction; but he had a great objection to the children of Nonconformists being marched from school to a service with which their parents entirely disagreed. What he asked for was that the power of the managers in connection with religious questions should be confined to the hours for religious instruction stated on the time table; and that if a manager went into a School during any other hours and instructed the children on religious matters, it should be regarded as an infraction of duty, and the local authority should have power to remove any manager against whom such a charge had been proved. If the Committee looked with favour on the Amendment, he would be prepared to modify it, and to insert a right of appeal to the Board of Education, which ought to meet any reasonable objection. The Amendment would prevent an injustice to the children of Nonconformists; it would he no hardship on the managers; and would not interfere with religious instruction.

Amendment proposed— In page 3, line 20, at end, insert, '(e) The LOCAL education authority shall have the right of removing any manager, who, at any time other than that allocated in the timetable of the school for religious instruction, shall question or instruct the scholars on any matter of religious doctrine or observance.'"—(Mr. Whitley.)

Question proposed, "That those words be there inserted."

MR. A. J. BALFOUR

said he thought he would be able to prove to the hon. Gentleman that his Amendment was unnecessary. A day did not consist of more than twenty-four hours, and would be divided up into the hours for religious instruction, the hours in which primary education was given, and the residue. As regarded the residue, the hon. Gentleman did not wish the Committee to interfere, or to lay down that no manager should talk to a scholar on any subject he pleased during it; neither did the hon. Gentleman wish to interfere with the hours to be given up to religious instruction; and there remained, therefore, only the hours which were to be given up to secular instruction. He would remind the hon. Gentleman that during those hours the local education authority would have absolute control over everything that went on in the school. A manager would have no more power to take children away from school during the hours of secular instruction to a church or chapel than he would have to regulate the proceedings of this House. Therefore, the hon. Member would feel that the difficulty which he thought now existed, and which he himself was not prepared to deny did occasionally arise, would be removed under the Bill, without the Amendment.

MR. WHITLEY

said he quite agreed that the local authority would have control during the hours of secular instruction, but this Amendment would provide a penalty not now in the Bill. Where was the remedy for dealing with managers who acted in the way the Amendment indicated?

MR. A. J. BALFOUR

said such action would be forbidden. If the recommendations of the local authority were disobeyed, the school would cease to be maintained; the teacher who permitted and action contrary to such recommendations would be dismissed; and nothing else short of the regiment of soldiers could be suggested to meet the views of the hon. Gentleman.

MR. WHITLEY

said there was a very simple remedy, namely, the removal of the manager who offended.

Question put and negatived.

* THE CHAIRMAN

The Amendment standing in the name of the hon. member for East Somerset is not in order on this Clause, for this reason. The Clause we are now dealing with relates to the maintenance of non-provided schools. His proposal really relates to a mutual arrangement for maintaining a school as a provided school. The next two Amendments standing in the name of the Member for the Morley Division are out of order for the same reason.

MR. M'KENNA

said he handed in an Amendment at the Table to sub-Clause (d) which he thought should have precedence over the Amendment of the hon. Member for the Morley Division, which would be a new sub-Clause.

MR. LAURENCE HARDY

asked if sub-Clause (d) had not been disposed of, and would the Amendment of the hon. Member be, therefore, in order.

* THE CHAIRMAN

said the hon. Member was quite right. The Amendment could not now be moved.

MR. BRYCE

asked if the Amendment of the hon. Member which had been ruled out of order would not be in the nature of a positive enactment.

* THE CHAIRMAN

The beginning of the Clause is that the local education authority are to maintain non-provided schools on certain provisions and conditions. The Amendment is hardly a provision or condition which can regulate the maintenance or non-maintenance of non-provided schools. It is a separate proposal, which, of course, can very probably be made in the proper place. This also applies to the next Amendment in the name of the hon. Member for East Denbighshire.

DR. MACNAMARA

said the Amendment he wished to move dealt with the small matter of practical administration, namely the question of the wear and tear of furniture and the putting of the premises in proper order, if used outside school hours. The Amendment on the Paper was substantially agreed to by the Secretary to the Board of Education and himself, after the Government had agreed to the substance of his original proposal. The previous night, however, the Prime Minister agreed to give to the local authority the right to use the promises rent free for three nights a week. That being so, he asked permission to recast the Amendment on the Paper, and move it in a form which would meet the altered condition, arising from the Prime Minister's Amendment.

Amendment proposed— In page 3, line 20, at the end, to insert the words 'the managers of a school not provided by the local education authority in respect of the use by them of the school furniture out of school hours, and the local education authority in respect of the use by them of the school furniture out of school hours, and the local education authority in respect of the use by them of any room in the school out of school hours, shall be liable to make good any damage caused to the furniture or the room, as the case may be, by reason of that use other damage arising from fair wear and tear, and the managers shall take care that after the use of a room in the school by them, the room is left in a proper condition for school purposes.'"—[Dr. Macnamara.]

Question proposed, "That those words be there inserted."

MR. M'KENNA

said the Amendment was one to which the Committee ought not to be asked to agree. They were asked to permit the managers to use the furniture supplied by the local authority without being liable for fair wear and tear. It could not be suggested that the local authority were to provide furniture for Sunday schools. If the Amendment were accepted, it would be admitting a right on the part of the managers to use the furniture supplied by the local authority; and it was hardly reasonable to ask the Committee to hand over to the managers the plant supplied by the local authority without entitling the local authority to charge for fair wear and tear.

MR. LOUGH

said he thought the Government were labouring under some mistake. The Clause provided that payment was to be made for fair wear and tear, but the whole sense of that provision was reversed in the Amendment, which was perfectly absurd in the form in which it was put before the Committee, and which should therefore be restored to the form in which it appeared on the Paper.

MR. A. J. BALFOUR

said he thought that the Amendment was a reasonable one. The hon. Member who had just spoken thought that the Government had committed themselves to the phrase in the original Amendment, which would make it necessary for the managers to pay for the wear and tear of the furniture of the schools. They had never committed themselves to anything of the kind. It was not made impossible under this Amendment for the local authority if they chose, after school hours, to remove their furniture, though every one knew that they would keep it in the schools. It would be futile to suggest, as a practical policy, that the local authority should remove the furniture every afternoon after school hours, and put it back every morning before school hours. But the suggestion was that, if they left it in the school, it might not be altogether desirable from the point of view of the managers of the school. It was a great illusion to suppose that furniture which was most convenient for elementary education was necessarily convenient for every purpose to which the school-house was put. According to the hon. Member for North Camberwell, dancing sometimes took place in the schools, and if the school was to be used for dancing nothing could be more inconvenient than desks and benches. But apart from dancing, meetings of various kinds, such as bazaars, were held; and the furniture of the education authority might then be found to be merely a nuisance. On the other hand, there was a certain amount of wear and tear by the education authority during school hours of the school buildings, and the Government thought it fair that the two things should be set off one against the other. It would be absurd to try to estimate the annual amount of damages to be paid for the use of the furniture. That would be neither equitable in abstract theory nor practicable in the ordinary work of life. For these reasons the Amendment could not be adopted.

(10.55) MR. LLOYD-GEORGE

said he regretted that the Amendment had been moved by his hon. friend in an altered form. In order to raise the matter in its original form he would move, as an Amendment, to leave out all the words after "provided" and to insert" if they make use of any room, etc.," down to the end of the Amendment on the Paper. The right hon. Gentleman suggested that as the managers gave to the local education authority the school buildings during ordinary school hours free of charge, it was a fair set-off that the local authority should give the managers the use of the furniture during non-school hours. What became of the other bargain if that were to be the set-off? He understood that the bargain was that the managers were to get their own teachers and have their own denomination taught, and only pay about 5s. a week as against 55s. to be paid by the local education authority. Now a new bargain was imposed which he thought was unfair. The Prime Minister suggested that it was possible that the school furniture would not be convenient for school purposes. Everyone knew that it would be the very thing that would be wanted for, for instance, Sunday schools. That development with regard to the furniture was a new revelation. Today they discovered, for the first time, that the intention of the Government was that the old furniture should be purchased by the local authority, although the Government had, after a great deal of pressure, promised to reconsider that proposal. At any rate, in future it was distinctly understood that the local authority was to find all the new appliances that might be required, and that the managers wore to be at liberty to use them for their own denominational purposes with-out any charge. The Attorney General said that afternoon that the charge for the furniture would be a matter of arrangement between the managers and the local authority; but the Amendment changed all that and gave the managers a legal right to use the furniture, without payment.

MR. A. J. BALFOUR

said not if the education authority chose to remove it.

MR. LLOYD-GEORGE

said that that was really such an impossible suggestion that he would put it out of the purview of the discussion. It was too preposterous even for a Parliamentary discussion. Ho was not even sure that the local authority could remove the furniture, because, if the Amendment were passed, the managers would be entitled to argue that there was a provision in the Act as to the manner in which the furniture could be used by them. He thought it was perfectly clear that the managers would have a legal right; but, in any event, unless the furniture were removed, it would be perfectly clear under the Amendment that as long as the managers did not break the furniture, they could use it without making any payment for it. It was becoming clearer and clearer that the Bill was designed entirely in the interests of the Church, and not in the interests of education. The cost of providing new appliances and furniture would fall on the local authority, and that change would be entirely in the interests of the Church, as the present appliances were distinctly inferior. Every alteration that had been made in the Bill, notwithstanding apparent concessions, was in the interests of the Church.

Amendment proposed to the proposed Amendment— To leave out from the first word 'authority' to the end of the proposed Amendment, and insert the words 'if they make use of any room in the school-house oat of school hours, shall be liable, if required, to make a reasonable payment to the local education authority in respect of wear and tear of, or damage to, any school furniture belonging to the local education authority resulting from that use, and shall take care that after any such use the room is left in a proper condition for school purposes.'"—(Mr. Lloyd-George)

Question proposed, "That the words proposed to be left out stand part of the proposed Amendment."

SIR ROBERT FINLAY

said he hoped the hon. Gentleman would not press his Amendment. The hon. Gentleman put it as if the use of the furniture were to be enjoyed by the managers as a set-off against giving the use of the school buildings for educational purposes during school hours. That was not the question at all. The hon. Gentleman entirely forgot that the managers would be entitled to the full use of the buildings out of school hours were it not for the provision introduced yesterday which provided that the local authority should have the right to use the buildings three nights I a week if required for the purposes of education. That was a cardinal fact in connection with the Amendment. The managers had given up the use of the buildings for three nights a week, and as against that, they were now to have the use of the furniture, if the local authority chose to leave it in the school, during the remaining evenings in the week. Was it not reasonable and business-like to set off one against the other, and say that in neither case would wear and tear be taken into account? If the local authority conducted their business in a disorderly manner, and if the scholars smashed the windows, their damage would have to be made good. On the other hand, if the managers conducted their meetings in such a manner as resulted in the furniture being smashed, they would have to pay compensation; but neither party need trouble about fair wear and tear. The matter seemed quite simple when one realised what the conditions were; and he hoped the hon. Gentleman would not press his Amendment.

MR. BRYCE

said that if he understood the position of the Government, they had completely forgotten what they had said three months ago was the main object of the Bill—namely, the establishment of one authority. Apparently now there were to be two authorities, and the local education authority was to be entirely different when it was dealing with elementary education from what it was when dealing with secondary education. For the education authority to be thus divided into an elementary and a secondary authority was quite inconsistent with the alleged principle of the Bill.

SIR ROBERT FINLAY

said that was not the case. All they had done was to put the buildings during school hours at the disposal of the local education authority, and then, in addition, the managers were to give the use of the school for education purposes on three evenings in the week. There was no division of the authority. If damage was done during that evening instruction the authority ought to give compensation.

MR. BRYCE

said that originally the authority, being one authority for educational purposes, was to get the use of the buildings free for all such purposes, but this attempt to sever elementary from secondary education.—

SIR ROBERT FINLAY

There is no such division.

MR. BRYCE

said it seemed to him that the education authority qua secondary education authority was to make a payment or give a consideration for the use of the buildings and furniture which he had understood it was to receive as a matter of course as a part of the general bargain.

MR. SAMUEL EVANS

contended that the effect of the Amendment had been entirely changed. The hon. Member for North Camberwell seemed to have swallowed his own proposal, and accepted a provision of the Government which would place on the local authority an additional obligation.

DR. MACNAMARA

explained that since he placed his Amendment on the Paper, a new engagement had been entered into under which the local authority were to get the free use of the school on three nights in the week. That, he thought, had modified the situation.

MR. SAMUEL EVANS

said that that concession was made because everybody considered that the schools should be devoted to educational purposes. It was never intended that the bargain should, in consequence, be varied in another respect so as to make the local authority pay for the use of the room. The Committee had already decided that the repair of the school was an obligation on the managers, but by this Amendment the repair of a room—which might mean the repair of every room in the school—was to be undertaken by the local authority.

SIR ROBERT FINLAY

If they damage the room.

MR. SAMUEL EVANS

said repairs only became necessary if a room was damaged. He should certainly vote for his hon. friend's Amendment.

MR. PYM

said the whole discussion was on the commonest of common subjects, viz., the value of the depreciation of furniture by wear and tear. It was really a matter with which Parliament ought not to deal at all. The

question of wear and tear would not arise for some time, and surely it would be much better to leave such petty questions to be arranged between the local authority and the managers as and when they arose.

MR. LOUGH,

who spoke amid continued cries of "Divide," was understood to complain that the arguments of the Prime Minister were inconsistent cut with those of the Attorney General in this matter.

(11.23.) MR. A. J. BALFOUR

rose in his place, and claimed to move, "That the Question be now put."

Question put, "That the Question, That the words proposed to be left out stand part of the proposed Amendment' be now put."

The Committee divided:—Ayes, 193; Noes, 71. (Division List No. 438.)

AYES
Agg-Gardner, James Tynte Carson, Rt. Hon. Sir Edw. H. Doughty, George
Agnew, Sir Andrew Noel Carvill, Patrick Geo. Hamilton Douglas, Rt. Hon. A. Akers-
Anson, Sir William Reynell Cavendish, V. C. W. (Derbyshire Doxford, Sir William Theodore
Arkwright, John Stanhope Cecil, Lord Hugh (Greenwich) Durning-Lawrence, Sir Edwin
Arnold-Forster, Hugh O. Chamberlain, Rt Hn J. A(Worc. Dyke, Rt. Hon. Sir William Hart
Arrol, Sir William Chapman, Edward Faber, Edmund B. (Hants. W.)
Atkinson, Rt. Hon. John Charrington, Spencer Faber, George Denison (York)
Bain, Colonel James Robert Churchill, Winston Spencer Fellowes, Hon. Ailwyn Edward
Balcarres, Lord Clare, Octavius Leigh Fergusson, Rt. Hn. Sir J. (Manc'r
Balfour, Rt. Hon. A. J. (Manch'r Clive, Captain Percy A. Fielden, Edward Brocklehurst
Balfour, Rt Hn. Gerald W (Leeds Cochrane, Hon. Thos. H. A. E. Finch, George H.
Balfour, Kenneth R. (Christch. Cohen, Benjamin Louis Finlay, Sir Robert Bannatyne
Banbury, Frederick George Colomb, Sir John Charles Ready Fisher, William Hayes
Beminck, Lord Henry C. Colston, Chas. Edw. H. Athole FitzGerald, Sir Robt. Penrose-
Beresford, Lord Charles William Compton, Lord Alwyne Fitzroy, Hon. Edward Algernon
Bhownaggree, Sir M. M. Cook, Sir Frederick Lucas Fletcher, Rt. Hon. Sir Henry
Bignold, Arthur Corbett, T. L. (Down, North) Flower, Ernest
Bigwood, James Cranborne, Viscount Forster, Henry William
Blundell, Colonel Henry Cross, Alexander (Glasgow) Foster, PhilipS.(Warwick, S.W.
Bond, Edward Dalrymple, Sir Charles Galloway, William Johnson
Bousfield, William Robert Davies, Sir Horatio D. (Chatham Gardner, Ernest
Brodrick, Rt. Hon. St. John Denny, Colonel Gibbs, Hon. Vicary (St, Albans)
Brookfield, Colonel Montagu Disraeli, Coningsby Ralph Godson, Sir Augustus Frederick
Brotherton, Edward Allen Dixon-Hartland, Sir Fred Dixon Gore, Hon. S. F. Ormsby-(Linc.)
Butcher, John George Dorington, Rt Hon. Sir John E. Gorst, Rt. Hon. Sir John Eldon
Goulding, Edward Alfred Lockwood, Lt.-Col. A. R. Rasch, Major Frederic Carne
Gray, Ernest (West Ham) Loder, Gerald Walter Erskine Renwick, George
Greene, Sir EW(BurySEdm'nds Long, Col. Chas. W. (Evesham Richards, Henry Charles
Greene, Henry D, (Shrewsbury Long, Rt. Hn. Walter (Bristol, S Ridley, Hon. M. W. (Stalybridge
Grenfell, William Henry Lowe, Francis William Roberts, Samuel (Sheffield)
Gretton, John Loyd, Archie Kirkman Robertson, Herbert (Hackney)
Groves, James Grimble Lucas, Col. Francis (Lowestoft) Round, Rt. Hon. James
Gunter, Sir Robert Lucas, Reginald J. (Portsmouth Sackville, Col. S. G. Stopford-
Guthrie, Walter Murray Macartney, Rt Hn W. G. Ellison Seely, Maj. J. E. B. (Isleof Wight
Hall, Edward Marshall Macdona, John Cumming Skewes-Cox, Thomas
Halsey, Rt. Hon. Thomas F. M'Arthur, Charles (Liverpool) Smith, H C(North'mb. Tyn'side
Hamilton, Rt Hn LordG(Midd'x M'Iver, Sir Lewis (EdinburghW Smith, James Parker(Lanarks.
Hardy, Laurence(Kent, Ashford M'Killop, James (Stirlingshire Spear, John Ward
Hare, Thomas Leigh Malcolm, Ian Stanley, Hon. Arthur (Ormskirk
Hatch, Ernest Frederick Geo. Montagu, G. (Huntingdon) Stanley, Lord (Lancs.)
Hay, Hon. Claude George More, Robt. Jasper (Shropshire) Stewart, Sir Mark J. M'Taggart
Henderson, Sir Alexander Morgan, David. J (Walthamst'w Strutt, Hon. Charles Hedley
Hickman, Sir Alfred Morrell, George Herbert Talbot, Lord E. (Chichester)
Higginbottom, S. W. Morton, Arthur H. Aylmer Talbot, Rt Hn. J. G. Oxf'd Univ.
Hoare, Sir Samuel Mount, William Arthur Thompson, Dr. EC (Monagh'n, N
Hobhouse, Henry (Somerset E. Mowbray, Sir Robert Gray C. Tomlinson, Sir Wm. Edw. M.
Hogg, Lindsay Murray, Rt Hn A. Graham (Bute Valentia, Viscount
Hope, J. F (Sheffield, Brightside Murray, Charles J. (Coventry) Vincent, Sir Edgar (Exeter)
Houldsworth, Sir Wm. Henry Murray, Col. Wyndham (Bath Walker, Col. William Hall
Hoult, Joseph Nicholson, William Graham Walrond, Rt. H n. Sir William H.
Howard, John (Kent, Faversh'm Nicol, Donald Ninian Wanklyn, James Leslie
Jebb, Sir Richard Claverhouse Parkes, Ebenezer Warde, Colonel C. E.
Johnstone, Hey wood Pease, Herbert Pike (Darlington Welby, Lt-Col. A. C. E (Taunton
Kemp, George Peel, Hn Wm. Robert Wellesley Whiteley, H. (Ashtonund. Lyne
Kennaway, Rt. Hon. Sir John H. Pemberton, John S. G. Willox, Sir John Archibald
Kennedy, Patrick James Percy, Earl Wilson, A. Stanley (York E.R.
Kenyon-Slaney, Col. W. (Salop. Pierpoint, Robert Wilson, J. W. (Worcestersh. N.
Keswick, William Pilkington, Lieut. -Col. Richard Wortley, Rt. Hon. C. B. Stuart-
King, Sir Henry Seymour Platt-Higgins, Frederick Wrightson, Sir Thomas
Law, Andrew Bonar (Glasgow Plummer, Walter R. Wylie, Alexander
Lawrence, Sir Joseph (Monm'th Powell, Sir Francis Sharp Wyndham, Rt. Hon. George
Lawrence, Wm. F. (Liverpool) Pretyman, Ernest George
Lawson, John Grant Pryce-Jones, Lt.-Col. Edward
Lees, Sir Elliott (Birkenhead) Purvis, Robert TELLERS FOR THE AYES—
Legge, Col. Hon. Heneage Pym, C. Guy Sir Alexander Acland-Hood and Mr. Anstruther.
Leigh-Bennett, Henry Currie Rankin, Sir James
NOES
Allen, Charles P. (Glouc, Stroud Helme, Norval Watson Roberts, John H. (Denbighs.)
Ashton, Thomas Gair Holland, Sir William Henry Runciman, Walter
Barran, Rowland Hirst Horniman, Frederick John Shackleton, David James
Bayley, Thomas (Derbyshire) Humphreys-Owen, Arthur C. Shaw, Charles Edw. (Stafford)
Brand, Hon. Arthur G. Hutton, Alfred E. (Morley) Shipman, Dr. John G.
Brigg, John Joicey, Sir James Soares, Ernest J.
Broadhurst, Henry Kearley, Hudson E. Spencer, Rt Hn. C. R (Northants
Bryce, Rt. Hon. James Langley, Batty Strachey, Sir Edward
Burns, John Layland-Barratt, Francis Thomas, Sir A. (Glamorgan, E.
Buxton, Sydney Charles Leigh, Sir Joseph Thomas, J A (Glamorgan, Gower
Caldwell, James Levy, Maurice Thomas, David Alfred (Merthyr
Causton, Richard Knight Lloyd-George, David Tomkinson, James
Cawley, Frederick Lough, Thomas Warner, Thomas Courtenay T.
Channing, Francis Allston Macnamara, Dr. Thomas J. White, Luke (York, E. R.)
Cremer, William Randall M'Arthur, William (Cornwall) Whiteley, George (York W.R.
Dilke, Rt. Hon. Sir Charles M'Laren, Sir Charles Benjamin Whitley, J. H. (Halifax)
Duncan, J. Hastings Mansfield, Horace Rendall Whittaker, Thomas Palmer
Emmott, Alfred Markham, Arthur Basil Wilson, Henry J. (York, W. R.)
Evans, Samuel T. (Glamorgan) Mather, Sir William Wilson, John (Durham, Mid.)
Foster, Sir Walter (Derby Co Morley, Charles (Breconshire) Woodhouse, Sir JT. (Huddersf'd
Fuller, J. M. F. Moulton, John Fletcher Yoxall, James Henry
Gladstone, Rt Hn. Herbert John Norman, Henry
Gurdon, Sir W. Brampton Nussey, Thomas Willans TELLERS FOR THE NOES—
Harmsworth, R. leicester Rickett, J. Compton Mr M'Kenna and Mr.
Hayne, Rt. Hon. Charles Seale- Rigg, Richard Trevelyan.

(11.38.) Question put accordingly "That the words proposed to be left out stand part of the proposed Amendment."

The Committee divided:—Ayes, 198; Noes, 68. (Division List No. 439.)

AYES
Agg-Gardner, James Tynte Fitzroy, Hon. Edward Algernon Macnamara, Dr. Thomas J.
Agnew, Sir Andrew Noel Fletcher, Rt. Hon. Sir Henry M'Arthur Charles (Liverpool)
Anson, Sir William Reynell Forster, Henry William M'Iver, Sir Lewis (Edinburgh W
Arkwright, John Stanhope Foster, PhilipS. (Warwick, S. W M'Killop, James(Stirlingshire)
Arnold-Forster, Hugh O. Galloway, William Johnson Malcolm, Ian
Arrol, Sir William Gardner, Ernest Manners, Lord Cecil
Atkinson, Rt. Hon. John Gibbs, Hon. Vicary (St. Albans) Montagu, G. (Huntingdon)
Bain, Col. James Robert Godson, Sir Augustus Frederick More, Robt. Jasper (Shropshire)
Balcarres, Lord Gore, Hn G. R. C Ormsby-(Salop Morgan, David J (Walthamtst'w
Balfour, Rt. Hon. A. J. (Manch'r Gore, Hon. S. F. Ormsby-(Linc.) Morrell, George Herbert
Balfour, Rt Hn Gerald W (Leeds Goulding, Edward Alfred Morton, Arthur H. Aylmer
Balfour, Kenneth R. (Christch. Gray, Ernest (West Ham) Mount, William Arthur
Banbury, Frederick George Greene, Sir E W(B'rySEdm'nds Mowbray, Sir Robert Gray C.
Bentinck, Lord Henry C. Greene, Henry D. (Shrewsbury) Murray, Rt Hn A. Graham(Bute
Beresford, Lord Chas. William Greene, W. Raymond-(Cambs.) Murray, Charles J. (Coventry)
Bhownaggree, Sir M. M. Grenfell, William Henry Murray, Col. Wyndham (Bath)
Bignold, Arthur Gretton, John Nicholson, William Graham
Bigwood, James Groves, James Grimble Nicol, Donald Ninian
Blundell, Colonel Henry Gunter, Sir Robert Parkes, Ebenezer
Bond, Edward Guthrie, Walter Murray Pease, Herbert Pike(Darlingt'n
Bousfield, William Robert Hall, Edward Marshall Peel, Hn Wm. Robert Wellesley
Brodrick, Rt. Hon. St. John Halsey, Rt. Hon. Thomas F. Pemberton, John S. G.
Brookfield, Colonel Montagu Hamilton, Rt Hn Lord G(Midd'x Percy, Earl
Brotherton, Edward Allen Hardy, Laurence(Kent, Ashf'rd Pierpoint, Robert
Butcher, John George Hare, Thomas Leigh Pilkington, Lt. -Col. Richard
Carlile, William Walter Hatch, Ernest Frederick Geo. Platt-Higgins, Frederick
Carson, Rt. Hon. Sir Edw. H. Hay, Hon. Claude George Plummer, Walter R.
Carvill, Patrick Geo. Hamilton Henderson, Sir Alexander Powell, Sir Francis Sharp
Cavendish, V.C.W (Derbyshire Hickman, Sir Alfred Pretyman, Ernest George
Cecil, Lord Hugh (Greenwich) Higginbottom, S. W. Pryce-Jones, Lt.-Col. Edward
Chamberlain, Rt Hn J. A (Worc. Hoare, Sir Samuel Purvis, Robert
Chapman, Edward Hobhouse, Henry (Somerset, E. Pym, C. Guy
Charrington, Spencer Hogg, Lindsay Rankin, Sir James
Churchill, Winston Spencer Hope, J. F. (Sheffield, Brightside Rasch, Major Frederick Carne
Clare, Octavius Leigh Houldsworth, Sir Wm. Henry Renwick, George
Clive, Captain Percy A. Hoult, Joseph Richards, Henry Charles
Cochrane, Hon. Thos. H.A.E. Howard, John (Kent, Faversh'm Ridley, Hn. M. W.(Stalybridge
Cohen, Benjamin Louis Jebb, Sir Richard Claverhouse Roberts, Samuel (Sheffield)
Colomb, Sir John Charles Ready Jeffreys, Rt. Hon. Arthur Fred. Robertson, Herbert (Hackney)
Colston, Chas. Edw. H. Athole Johnstone, Heywood Round, Rt. Hon. James
Compton, Lord Alwyne Kemp, George Sackville, Col. S. G. Stopford-
Cook, Sir Frederick Lucas Kennaway, Rt. Hon. Sir John H. Scott, Sir S. (Marylebone, W)
Cranborne, Viscount Kennedy, Patrick James Seely, Maj. J. E. B (IsleofWight
Cross, Alexander (Glasgow) Kenyon-Slaney, Col. W. (Salop. Skewes-Cox, Thomas
Dalrymple, Sir Charles Keswick, William Smith, HC(North'mb. Tyneside
Davies, Sir Horatio D. (Chatham King, Sir Henry Seymonr Smith, James Parker(Lanarks.
Denny, Colonel Law, Andrew Bonar (G1asgow) Spear, John Ward
Disraeli, Coningsby Ralph Lawrence, Sir Joseph(Monm'th Stanley, Hn. Arthur (Ormskirk
Dixon-Hartland, Sir Fr'd Dixon Lawrence, Wm. F. (Liverpool) Stanley, Lord (Lancs.)
Dorington, Rt. Hon. Sir John E. Lawson, John Grant Stewart, Sir Mark J. M Taggart
Doughty, George Lees, Sir Elliott (Birkenhead) Strutt, Hon. Charles Hedley
Douglas, Rt. Hon. A. Akers- Legge, Col. Hon. Heneage Talbot, Lord E. (Chichester)
Doxford, Sir William Theodore Leigh-Bennett, Henry Currie Talbot, Rt. Hn. J. G (Oxf'd Univ.
Durning-Lawrence, Sir Edwin Lockwood, Lt.-Col. A. R. Thompson, Dr EC (Monagh'n, N
Dyke, Rt. Hn. Sir William Hart Loder, Gerald Walter Erskine Tomlinson, Sir Wm. Edw. M.
Faber, Edmund B. (Hants. W.) Long, Col. Charles W, (Evesham Valentia, Viscount
Faber, George Denison (York) Long, Rt. Hn. Walter(Bristol, S) Vincent, Sir Edgar (Exeter)
Fellowes, Hon. Ailwyn Edward Lowe, Francis William Walker, Col. William Hall
Fergusson, Rt Hn. Sir J. (Manc'r Loyd, Archie Kirkman Walrond, Rt Hn. Sir William H.
Fielden, Edward Brocklehurst Lucas, Col. Francis (Lowestoft) Wanklyn, James Leslie
Finch, George H. Lucas, Reginald J. (Portsmouth Warde, Colonel C. E.
Finlay, Sir Robert Bannatyne Macartney, Rt Hn W. G. Ellison Welby, Lt.-Col. A. C. E (Taunt'n
Fisher, William Hayes Macdona, John Cumming Whiteley, H (Ashton-und. Lyne
FitzGerald, Sir Robert Penrose- MacIver, David (Liverpool) Willox, Sir John Archibald
Wilson, A. Stanley(York, E. R.) Wrightson, Sir Thomas TELLERS FOR THE AYES—
Wilson, J. W. (Worcestersh. N,) Wylie, Alexander Sir Alexander Acland-
Wortley, Rt. Hon. C. B. Stuart- Wyndham, Rt. Hon. George Hood and Mr. Anstruther.
NOES.
Allen, Charles P (Glouc., Stroud Holland, Sir William Henry Shaw, Charles Edw. (Stafford)
Ashton, Thomas Gair Horniman, Frederick John Shipman, Dr. John G.
Barran, Roland Hirst Humphreys-Owen, Arthur C. Soares, Ernest J.
Bayley, Thomas (Derbyshire Joicey, Sir James Spencer, Rt. H n. C. R (Northant
Brand, Hon. Arthur G. Kearley, Hudson E. Strachey, Sir Edward
Brigg, John Langley, Batty Thomas, Sir A. (Glamorgan, E.)
Broadhurst, Henry Layland-Barratt, Francis Thomas, David Alfred(Merthyr
Bryce, Rt. Hon. James Leigh, Sir Joseph Thomas, J A (Glamorgan, Gower
Buxton, Sydney Charles Levy, Maurice Tomkinson, James
Caldwell, James Lough, Thomas Trevelyan, Charles Philips
Causton, Richard Knight M'Arthur, William (Cornwall) Warner, Thomas Courtenay T.
Cawley, Frederick M'Kenna, Reginald White, Luke (York, E. R.)
Channing, Francis Allston M'Laren, Sir Charles Benjamin Whiteley, George (York, W. R.)
Cremer, William Randal Mansfield, Horace Rendall Whittaker, Thomas Palmer
Dilke, Rt. Hon. Sir Charles Markham, Arthur Basil Wilson, Henry J. (York, W. R.
Duncan, J. Hastings Morley, Charles (Breconshire) Wilson, John (Durham, Mid.)
Evans, Samuel T. (Glamorgan) Moulton, John Fletcher Woodhonse, Sir J T (Huddersf'd
Foster, Sir Walter (Derby Co.) Norman, Henry Yoxall, James Henry
Fuller, J. M. F. Nussey, Thomas Willans
Gladstone, Rt. Hn. Herbert John Rea, Russell
Grey, Rt. Hon. Sir E.(Berwick) Rickett, J. Compton TELLERS FOR THE NOES—
Gurdon, Sir W. Brampton Rigg, Richard Mr. Alfred Hutton and
Harmsworth, R. Leicester Roberts, John H. (Denbighs.) Mr. Whitley.
Hayne, Rt. Hon. Charles Seale- Runciman, Walter
Helme, Norval Watson Shackleton, David James
(11.50.) Mr. A. J. BALFOUR

claimed to move. "That the Question 'That the proposed words be there inserted' he now put."

Question put accordingly, "That the proposed words be there inserted."

The Committee divided:—Ayes, 194; Noes, 65. (Division List No. 440.)

AYES
Agg-Gardner, James Tynte Bond, Edward Colomb, Sir John Charles Ready
Agnew, Sir Andrew Noel Bousfield, William Robert Colston, Chas. Edw. H. Athole
Anson, Sir William Reynell Brodrick, Rt. Hon. St. John Compton, Lord Alwyne
Arkwright, John Stanhope Brookfield, Colonel Montagu Cook, Sir Frederick Lucas
Arnold-Forster, Hugh O. Brotherton, Edward Allen Cranborne, Viscount
Arrol, Sir William Butcher, John George Cross, Alexander (Glasgow)
Atkinson, Rt. Hon. John Carlile, William Walter Dalrymple, Sir Charles
Bain, Col. James Robert Carson, Rt. Hon. Sir Edw. H. Davies, Sir Horatio D (Chatham
Balcarres, Lord Carvill, Patrick Geo. Hamilton Denny, Colonel
Balfour, Rt. Hon. A. J.(Manch'r Cavendish, V. C. W. (Derbysh'e) Disraeli, Coningsby Ralph
Balfour, Rt Hn Gerald W (Leeds Cecil, Lord Hugh (Greenwich) Dixon-Hartland, Sir F. Dixon
Balfour, Kenneth R. Christch. Chamberlain, Rt Hn J. A (Worc. Dorington, Rt. Hon. Sir John E.
Banbury, Frederick George Chapman, Edward Doughty, George
Bentinck, Lord Henry C. Charrington, Spencer Douglas, Rt. Hon. A. Akers-
Beresford Lord Charles William Churchill, Winston Spencer Doxford, Sir Wm. Theodore
Bhownaggree, Sir M. M. Clare, Octavius Leigh Durning-Lawrence, Sir Edwin
Bignold, Arthur Clive, Captain Percy A. Dyke, Rt. Hn. Sir William Hart
Bigwood, James Cochrane, Hon. Thos. H. A. E. Faber, Edmund B. (Hants, W.)
Blundell, Colonel Henry Cohen, Benjamin Louis Faber, George Denison (York)
Fellowes, Hon. Ailwyn Edward Kennedy, Patrick James Powell, Sir Francis Sharp
Fergusson, Rt. Hn. Sir J. (M'nc'r Kenyon-Slaney, Col. W. (Salop Pretyman, Ernest George
Fielden, Edward Brocklehurst Keswick, William Pryce-Jones, Lt.-Col. Edward
Finch, George H. King, Sir Henry Seymour Purvis, Robert
Finlay, Sir Robert Bannatyne Law, Andrew Bonar (Glasgow) Pym, C. Guy
Fisher, William Hayes Lawrence, Sir Joseph(Monm'th) Rankin, Sir James
FitzGerald, Sir Robt. Penrose- Lawrence, Wm. F. (Liverpool) Rasch, Major Frederic Carne
Fitzroy, Hon. Ed. Algernon Lawson, John Grant Renwick, George
Fletcher, Rt. Hon. Sir Henry Lees, Sir Elliott (Birkenhead) Ridley, Hon M. W. (Stalybridge
Forster, Henry William Legge, Col. Hon. Heneage Roberts, Samuel (Sheffield)
Foster, PhilipS. (Warwick, S. W Leigh-Bennett, Henry Currie Robertson, Herbert (Hackney)
Galloway, William Johnson Lockwood, Lt.-Col. A. R. Round, Rt. Hon. James
Gibbs, Hon. Vicary (St. Albans) Loder, Gerald Walter Erskine Sackville, Col. S. G. Stopford-
Godson, Sir Augustus Frederick Long, Col. Chas. W. (Evesham) Scott, Sir S. (Marylebone, W.)
Gore, Hn G. R. C. Ormsby-(S'lop Long, Rt. Hn. Walter(Bristol, S) Seely, Maj. J. EB. (Isle of Wight
Gore, Hon. S. F. Ormsby-(Linc.) Lowe, Francis William Skewes-Cox, Thomas
Goulding, Edward Alfred Loyd, Archie Kirkman Smith, James Parker (Lanarks.
Gray, Ernest (West Ham) Lucas, Col. Francis (Lowestoft) Smith, Hon. W. F. D. (Strand)
Greene, Sir E W(B'rySEdm'nds Lucas, Reginald. J. (Portsmouth Spear, John Ward
Greene, Henry D. (Shrewsbury Macartney, Rt Hn W. G. Ellison Stanley, Hn. Arthur (Ormskirk
Greene, W. Raymond-(Cambs. Macdona, John Cumming Stanley, Lord (Lancs.)
Grenfell, William Henry MacIver, David (Liverpool) Stewart, Sir Mark J. M'Taggart
Gretton, John Macnamara, Dr. Thomas J. Strutt, Hon. Charles Hedley
Groves, James Grimble M'Arthur, Charles (Liverpool) Talbot, Lord E. (Chichester)
Gunter, Sir Robert M'Iver, Sir Lewis (Edinburgh W Talbot, Rt Hn J. G. (Oxf'd Univ.
Guthrie, Walter Murray M'Killop, James (Stirlinghire) Thompson, Dr EC (Monagh'n, N
Hall, Edward Marshall Malcolm, Ian Tomlinson, Sir Wm. Edw. M.
Halsey, Rt. Hon. Thomas F. Manners, Lord Cecil Valentia, Viscount
Hamilton, Rt Hn Lord G(Midd'x Montagu, G. (Huntingdon) Vincent, Sir Edgar (Exeter)
Hardy Laurence(Kent, Ashford More, Robt. Jasper (Shropshire) Walker, Col. William Hall
Hare, Thomas Leigh Morgan David J (Walthamstow Walrond, Rt. Hn. Sir William H.
Hatch, Ernest Frederick Geo. Morrell, George Herbert Warde, Colonel C. E.
Hay, Hon. Claude George Morton, Arthur H. Aylmer Welby, Lt-Col A. C. E. (Taunton
Henderson, Sir Alexander Mount, William Arthur Whiteley, H (Ashtonund. Lyne
Hickman, Sir Alfred Mowbray, Sir Robert Gray C. Willox, Sir John Archibald
Higginbottom, S. W. Murray, Rt Hn A. Graham(Bute Wilson, A. Stanley (York, E. R.
Hoare, Sir Samuel Murray, Charles J. (Coventry) Wilson, J. W. (Worcestersh. N.
Hobhouse, Henry (Somerset, E) Murray, Col. Wyndham (Bath) Wortley, Rt. Hon. C. B. Stuart-
Hogg, Lindsay Nicholson, William Graham Wrightson, Sir Thomas
Hope, J. F. (Sheffield, Brights'de Nicol, Donald Ninian Wylie, Alexander
Houldsworth, Sir Wm. Henry Pease Herbert Pike(Darlington Wyndham, Rt. Hon. George
Hoult, Joseph Peel, Hn Wm. Robert Wellesley
Howard John(Kent Faversham Pemberton, John S. G.
Jebb, Sir Richard Claverhouse Percy, Earl TELLERS FOR THE AYES—
Jeffreys, Rt. Hon. Arthur Fred. Pierpoint, Robert Sir Alexander Acland-
Johnstone, Heywood Pilkington, Lieut.-Col. Richard Hood and Mr. Anstruther.
Kemp, George Platt-Higgins, Frederick
Kennaway, Rt. Hn. Sir John H. Plummer, Walter R.
NOES
Allen, Chas. P. (Glouc., Stroud) Fuller, J. M. F. M'Kenna, Reginald
Ashton, Thomas Gair Gladstone, Rt. Hn Herbert John M'Laren, Sir Charles Benjamin
Barran, Rowland Hirst Grey, Rt. Hn. Sir E. (Berwick) Mansfield, Horace Rendall
Bayley, Thomas (Derbyshire) Gurdon, Sir W. Brampton Markham, Arthur Basil
Brand, Hon. Arthur G. Harmsworth, R. Leicester Morley, Charles (Breconshire)
Brigg, John Hayne, Rt. Hon. Chas. Seale- Moulton, John Fletcher
Broadhurst, Henry Helme, Norval Watson Norman, Henry
Bryce, Rt. Hon. James Holland, Sir William Henry Nussey, Thomas Willans
Buxton, Sydney Charles Horniman, Frederick John Rea Russell
Caldwell, James Humphreys-Owen, Arthur C. Rickett, J. Compton
Causton, Richard Knight Joicey, Sir James Rigg, Richard
Cawley, Frederick Kearley, Hudson, E. Roberts, John H. (Denbighs.)
Channing, Francis Allston Langley, Batty Runciman, Walter
Cremer, William Randal Layland-Barratt, Francis Shackleton, David James
Dilke, Rt. Hon. Sir Charles Leigh, Sir Joseph Shaw, Charles Edw. (Stafford)
Duncan, J. Hastings Levy, Maurice Shipman, Dr. John G.
Evans, Samuel T. (Glamorgan) Lough, Thomas Soares, Ernest J.
Foster, Sir Walter (Derby Co.) M'Arthur, William (Cornwall) Spencer, Rt Hn C. R. (Northants
Strachey, Sir Edward Warner, Thomas Courtenay T. Woodhouse, Sir J T (Huddersfd.
Thomas, David Alfred (Merthyr White, Luke (York, E.R.)
Thomas, J A (Glamorgan Gower Whittaker, Thomas Palmer TELLERS FOR THE NOES—
Tomkinson, James Wilson, Henry J. (York, W R) Mr. Alfred Hutton and
Trevelyan, Charles Philips Wilson, John (Durham, Mid.) Mr. Whitley.

It being after Midnight, the Chairman proceeded to interrupt the Business.

(12.2.) Mr. A. J. BALFOUR

claimed to move, "That the Question 'That the words of the Clause from the first word" The," in line 21, to the word "managers," in line 24, both inclusive, stand part of the Clause, be now put."

Question put, "That the Question 'That the words of the Clause from the first word "The, "in line 21, to the word "managers," in line 24, both inclusive, stand part of the Clause,' be now put."

The Committee divided:—Ayes, 191, Noes, 64. (Division List No. 441.)

AYES
Agg-Gardner, James Tynte Cook, Sir Frederick Lucas Guthrie, Walter Murray
Agnew, Sir Andrew Noel Cranborne, Viscount Hall, Edward Marshall
Anson, Sir William Reynell Cross, Alexander (Glasgow) Halsey, Rt. Hon. Thomas F.
Arkwright, John Stanhope Dalrymple, Sir Charles Hamilton, Rt Hn Lord G(Midd'x
Arnold-Forster, Hugh O. Davies, Sir Horatio D. (Chatham Hardy, Laurence(Kent, Ashford
Arrol, Sir William Denny, Colonel Hare, Thomas Leigh
Atkinson, Rt. Hon. John Disraeli, Coningsby Ralph Hatch, Ernest Frederick Geo.
Bain, Colonel James Robert Dixon-Hartland, Sir Fred Dixon Hay, Hon. Claude George
Balcarres, Lord Dorington, Rt. Hon. Sir John E. Henderson, Sir Alexander
Balfour, Rt. Hon. A. J. (Manch'r Doughty, George Hickman, Sir Alfred
Balfour, Rt Hn Gerald W. (Leeds Douglas, Rt. Hon. A. Akers- Higginbottom, S. W.
Balfour, Kenneth R. (Christch. Doxford, Sir William Theodore Hoare, Sir Samuel
Banbury, Frederick George Durning-Lawrence, Sir Edwin Hobhouse, Henry (Somerset, E.
Bentinck, Lord Henry C. Dyke, Rt. Hon. SirWilliam Hart Hogg, Lindsay
Beresford, Lord Charles William Faber, Edmund B. (Hants, W.) Hope, J. F. (Sheffield, Brightside
Bhownaggree, Sir M. M. Faber, (George Denison (York) Houldsworth, Sir William Hy.
Bignold, Arthur Fellowes, Hon. Ailwyn Edward Hoult, Joseph
Bigwood, James Fergusson, Rt Hn Sir J. (Manch'r Howard, John (Kent, Faversham
Blundell, Colonel Henry Fielden, Edward Brocklehurst Jebb, Sir Richard (Claverhouse
Bond, Edward Finch, George H. Jeffreys, Rt. Hon. Arthur Fred
Bousfield, William Robert Finlay, Sir Robert Bannatyne Johnstone, Heywood
Brodrick, Rt. Hon. St. John Fisher, William Hayes Kemp, George
Brookfield, Colonel Montagu FitzGerald, Sir Robert Penrose- Kennaway, Rt. Hon. Sir John H.
Brotherton, Edward Allen Fitzroy, Hon. Edward Algernon Kennedy, Patrick James
Butcher John George Fletcher, Rt. Hon. Sir Henry Kenyon-Slaney, Col. W. (Salop
Carew, James Laurence Forster, Henry William Keswick, William
Carlile, William Walter Foster, PhilipS. (WarwickS. W. King, Sir Henry Seymour
Carson, Rt. Hon. Sir Edw. H. Galloway, William Johnson Law, Andrew Bonar (Glasgow)
Carvill, Patrick Geo. Hamilton Gibbs, Hon. Vicary (St. Albans Lawrence, Sir Joseph (Monm'th
Cavendish, V. C. W. (Derbyshire Godson, Sir Augustus Frederick Lawrence, Wm. F. (Liverpool)
Cecil, Lord Hugh (Greenwich) Gore, Hn. G. R. C. Ormsby-(Salop Lawson, John Grant
Chamberlain, Rt Hn. J. A. (Worc. Gore, Hon. S. F. Ormsby-(Linc. Lees, Sir Elliot (Birkenhead)
Chapman, Edward Goulding, Edward Alfred Legge, Col. Hen. Heneage
Churchill, Winston Spencer Gray, Ernest (West Ham) Leigh-Bennett, Henry Currie
Clare, Octavius Leigh Greene, Sir E. W(B'rySEdm'nds Lockwood, Lt.-Col. A. R.
Clive, Captain Percy A. Greene, Henry D. (Shrewsbury Loder, Gerald Walter Erskine
Cochrane, Hon. Thos. H. A. E. Greene, W. Raymond (Cambs) Long, Col. Charles W. (Evesham
Cohen, Benjamin Louis Grenfell, William Henry Long, Rt. Hn. Walter (Bristol, S.
Colomb, Sir John Charles Ready Gretton, John Lowe, Francis William
Colston, Chas. Edw. H. Athole Groves, James Grimble Loyd, Archie Kirkman
Compton, Lord Alwyne Gunter, Sir Robert Lucas, Col. Francis (Lowestoft
Lucas, Reginald J. (Portsmouth Pierpoint, Robert Talbot, Lord E. (Chichester)
Macartney, Rt. Hn. WG. Ellison Pilkington, Lieut. -Col. Richard Talbot, Rt. Hn. J. G. (Oxf'd Univ.
Macdona, John Cumming Platt- Higgins, Frederick Thompson, Dr. EC (Monagh'n, N.
MacIver, David (Liverpool) Plummer, Walter R. Tomlinson, Sir Wm. Edw. M.
M'Arthur, Charles (Liverpool) Powell, Sir Francis Sharp Valentia, Viscount
M'Iver, Sir Lewis (Edinburgh W Pretyman, Ernest George Vincent, Sir Edgar (Exeter)
M'Killop, James (Stirlingshire Pryce-Jones, Lt.-Col. Edward Walker, Col. William Hall
Malcolm, Ian Purvis, Robert Walrond, Rt. Hon. Sir Willam H
Manners, Lord Cecil Pym, C. Guy Warde, Colonel C. E.
Montagu, G. (Huntingdon) Rasch, Major Frederic Carne Welby, Lt. -Col. A. C. E. Taunton
More, Robt. Jasper (Shropshire Renwick, George Whiteley, H. (Ashtonund. Lyne
Morgan, David J (Walthamstow Ridley, Hon. M. W. (Stalybridge Willox, Sir John Archibald
Morrell, George Herbert Roberts, Samuel (Sheffield) Wilson, A. Stanley (York, E.R.)
Morton, Arthur H. Aylmer Robertson. Herbert (Hackney) Wilson, J. W. (Worcestersh., N.
Mount, William Arthur Round, Rt. Hon. James Wortley, Rt. Hon. C. B. Stuart-
Mowbray, Sir Robert Gray C. Sackville, Col. S. G. Stopford- Wrightson, Sir Thomas
Murray, Rt Hn A. Graham(Bute Scott, Sir S. (Marylebone, W.) Wylie, Alexander
Murray, Charles J. (Coventry) Seely, Maj. J. E. B. (IsleofWight Wyndham, Rt. Hon. George
Murray, Col. Wyndham (Bath) Smith, James Parker (Lanarks.
Nicholson, William Graham Smith, Hon W. F. D. (Strand
Nicol, Donald Ninian Spear, John Ward TELLERS FOR THE AYES —
Pease, Herbert Pike(Darlington Stanley, Hon. Arthur (Ormskirk Sir Alexander Acland-
Peel, Hn. Wm. Robert Wellesley Stanley, Lord (Lancs.) Hood and Mr. Anstruther.
Pemberton, John S. G. Stewart, Sir Mark. J. M'Taggart
Percy, Earl Strutt, Hon. Charles Hedley
NOES
Allen, Charles P. (Glouc., Stroud Holland, Sir William Henry Runciman, Walter
Ashton, Thomas Gair Horniman, Frederick John Shackleton, David James
Barran, Rowland Hirst Humphreys-Owen, Arthur C. Shaw, Charles Edw. (Stafford)
Bayley, Thomas (Derbyshire) Hutton, Alfred E. (Morley) Shipman, Dr. John G.
Brand, Hon. Arthur G. Joicey, Sir James Soares, Ernest J.
Brigg, John Kearley, Hudson E. Spencer, Rt Hn. C. R. (Northants
Broadhurst, Henry Langley, Batty Strachey, Sir Edward
Bryce, Rt. Hon. James Layland-Barratt, Francis Thomas, David Alfred (Merthyr
Buxton, Sydney Charles Leigh, Sir Joseph Thomas, J A (Glamorgan, Gower
Causton, Richard Knight Levy, Maurice Tomkinson, James
Cawley, Frederick Lough, Thomas Trevelyan, Charles Philips
Channing, Francis Allston M'Arthur, William (Cornwall) Warner, Thomas Courtenay T.
Cremer, William Randal M'Kenna, Reginald White, Luke (York, E. R.)
Dilke, Rt. Hon. Sir Charles M'Laren, Sir Charles Benjamin Whitley, J. H. (Halifax)
Duncan, J. Hastings Mansfield, Horace Rendall Whittaker, Thomas Palmer
Evans, Samuel T. (Glamorgan) Markham, Arthur Basil Wilson, Henry J. (York, W. R
Foster, Sir Walter (Derby Co.) Morley, Charles (Breconshire) Wilson, John (Durham, Mid)
Fuller, J. M. F. Moulton, John Fletcher Woodhouse, Sir J. T. (Hudd'rsf'd
Gladstone, Rt. Hn. Herbert John Norman, Henry
Gurdon, Sir W. Brampton Rea, Russell
Harmsworth, R. Leicester Rickett J. Compton TELLERS FOR THE NOES—
Hayne, Rt. Hon. Charles Seale- Rigg, Richard Mr. Nussey and Mr. Caldwell.
Helme, Norval Watson Roberts, John H. (Denbighs)

Question, "That the words of the Clause from the first word 'The,' in line 21, to the word 'managers,' in line 24, both inclusive, stand part of the Clause," put accordingly, and negatived.

The chairman left the Chair to make his Report to the House.

Committee report Progress; to sit again Tomorrow.

MR. SPEAKER,

in pursuance of the Order of the House of the 16th October, adjourned the House without Question put.

Adjourned at twenty minutes after Twelve o'clock.