HC Deb 11 February 1902 vol 102 cc1002-7
(4.10.) MR. A. J. BALFOUR

I have to move, in accordance with the usual custom, the Motion standing in my name to the effect that to-morrow being Ash Wednesday the House shall meet at 2 o'clock. I have only to say that if the House assents to the proposed substitution of Fridays for Wednesdays this Motion will never again have to be made.

Motion made, and Question proposed "That this House do meet Tomorrow, at Two of the clock."—(Mr. A. J. Balfour.)


said this was the first time the right hon. Gentleman had uttered one word in favour of his proposed new Rule substituting Wednesdays for Fridays, for he had told them that the substitution would prevent any further recurrence of that Chadband Motion to which he personally was delighted to give a parting kick. Now, he himself observed Ash Wednesday. He regarded it as a very sacred festival, but he did not like this Motion, because it was hypocritical. It was not framed in the interests of religion; it was framed in the interests of hypocrisy. Hon. Members who wished to go to church had ample opportunities of doing so, and could, if they chose, attend two or three services before noon. The public buinesss was suspended by Gentlemen who did not go to church, but who would spend the time thus snatched from Parliament in the Courts or on the Stock Exchange. Then they would come forward and cry "See what pious people we are," and persons who did not know them well would not think that they were hypocrites and Pharisees.


The hon. Member is getting rather personal in his remarks. I hope he will keep to the Motion. He is not entitled to address hon. Members across the House as Pharisees and hypocrites.


said it was not his intention to do anything of the kind. He was only trying to defend them from attacks which might be made upon them by ignorant persons. The First Lord of the Treasury appeared to have no sense of humour, or how could he ask the House to take away a fraction of its valuable time at the very period he was discussing new Rules of Procedure for facilitating business rules which, however, were evidently intended to enable them not to fast but to dine comfortably. Members of the House both prayed and fasted by proxy, for the Chaplain said the prayers for them in their absence. Now, he was a sincere member of the Anglican Church and probably knew more about its rites than many hon. Members who professed to be thoroughly versed in them. One of the chief observances on Ash Wednesday was a prayer for the con-

version of Jews, Turks, and Infidels. Now such a prayer, if its terms were realised abroad, might lead to serious international complications with the Ottoman Government, as the Turks might be grievously offended by the House adjourning for the purpose of converting them. Then again the Jews, and especially the naturalised German Jews with whom we had large contracts at present, might also be offended. In view of all these matters he would suggest, in all sincerity, that the right hon. Gentleman would consult the truest instincts of Christianity by not pressing a Motion, the object of which was to suggest to ignorant people that Members of the House were exceptionally pious people. He intended to go into the lobby as a protest against a system calculated to render this country, in the words of a well-known writer, "the Pharisee of the Nations."

(4.13.) Question put.

The House divided:—Ayes, 218; Noes, 130. (Division List No. 22.)

Acland-Hood, Capt. Sir Alex F. Cavendish, R. F. (N. Lancs.) Fardell, Sir T. George
Agg-Gardner, James Tynte Cavendish, V. C. W. (Derbyshire Farrell, James Patrick
Agnew, Sir Andrew Noel Cecil, Evelyn (Aston Manor Fellowes, Hon. Ailwyn Edward
Anson, Sir William Reynell Cecil, Lord Hugh (Greenwich) Finch, George H.
Archdale, Edward Mervyn Chamberlain, Rt. Hn. J. (Birm. Finlay, Sir Robert Bannatyne
Arnold-Forster, Hugh O. Chamberlain, J. Austen (Worc'r Fisher, William Hayes
Arrol, Sir William Chaplin, Rt. Hon. Henry FitzGerald, Sir Robert Penrose-
Atkinson, Rt. Hon. John Charrington, Spencer Fitzroy, Hon. Edward Algernon
Austin, Sir John Churchill, Winston Spencer Flannery, Sir Fortescue
Bain, Colonel James Robert Clancy, John Joseph Fletcher, Rt. Hon. Sir Henry
Balcarres, Lord Collings, Rt. Hon. Jesse Flower, Ernest
Balfour, Rt. Hn. A. J. (Manch'r) Colomb, Sir John Chas. Ready Forster, Henry William
Balfour, Rt Hn. Gerald W. (L'ds Colston, Chas. Edwd H. Athole Galloway, William Johnson
Banbury, Frederick George Corbett, A. Cameron (Glasgow) Gardner, Ernest
Barry, Sir Francis T. (Windsor) Cranborne, Viscount Garfit, William
Bartley, George C. T Cross, Herbt. Shepherd (Bolton) Gibbs, Hon. Vicary (St. Albans)
Bathurst, Hon. Allen Benjamin Dalkeith, Earl of Gilhooly, James
Beach, Rt Hn Sir Michael Hicks Dalrymple, Sir Charles Godson, Sir Augustus Frederick
Bentinck, Lord Henry C. Denny, Colonel Gordon, Hn. J. E. (Elgin & Nairn
Bignold, Arthur Dickson, Charles Scott Gordon, J. (Londonderry S.)
Blundell, Colonel Henry Digby, John K. D. Wingfield- Gore, Hn. S. F. Ormsby- (Linc.)
Boulnois, Edmund Dillon, John Gorst, Rt. Hon. Sir John Eldon
Bowles, Capt. H. F (Middlesex) Dimsdale, Sir Joseph Cockfield Goulding, Edward Alfred
Brodrick, Rt. Hon. St. John Disraeli, Coningsby Ralph Green, Walford D. (Wednesb'y)
Brookfield, Colonel Montagu Dixon-Hartland, Sir F. Dixon Greene, Sir E W (B'y S. Edm'nds
Brymer, William Ernest Dorington, Sir John Edward Gretton, John
Bullard, Sir Harry Doughty, George Greville, Hon. Ronald
Burdett-Coutts, W. Douglas, Rt. Hon. A. Akers- Halsey, Thomas Frederick
Campbell, Rt Hn J. A. (Glasgow Durning-Lawrence, Sir Edwin Hamilton, Rt Hn Lord G. (Mid'x
Carew, James Laurence Dyke, Rt. Hn. Sir William Hart Hamilton, Marq. of (L'd'nderry
Carlile, William Walter Elliot, Hon. A. Ralph Douglas Hare, Thomas Leigh
Carson, Rt. Hon. Sir Edwd. H. Esmonde, Sir Thomas Haslam, Sir Alfred S.
Hatch, Ernest Frederick Geo. Manners, Lord Cecil Seely, Capt. J. E. B. (I. of Wight
Hayden, John Patrick Maple, Sir John Blundell Sharpe, William Edward T.
Hayter, Rt. Hon. Sir Arthur D. Mellor, Rt. Hon. John William Sheehan, Daniel Daniel
Heaton, John Henniker Meysey-Thompson, Sir H. M. Simeon, Sir Barrington
Helder, Augustus Mildmay, Francis Bingham Smith, Abel H. (Hertford, East)
Hermon-Hodge, Robt. Trotter Milner, Rt. Hon. Sir Fredk. G. Smith, H. C. (North'mb. Ty'side
Hoare, Sir Samuel Milvain, Thomas Spencer, Sir E. (W. Bromwich)
Hope, J. F. (Sheffield, Brightside Montagu, G. (Huntingdon) Stanley, Hon. Arthur (Ormskirk
Hornby, Sir William Henry More, Robt. Jasper (Shropshire Stanley, Lord (Lancs.)
Horner, Frederick William Morrison, James Archibald Stewart, Sir Mark J. M'Taggart
Hoult, Joseph Morton, Arthur H. A. (Deptford Stock, James Henry
Hozier, Hon. Jas. Henry Cecil Mowbray, Sir Robert Gray C. Stone, Sir Benjamin
Hudson, George Bickersteth Muntz, Philip A. Stroyan, John
Jackson, Rt. Hon. Wm. Lawies Murray, Rt Hn A. Graham (Bute Sturt, Hon. Humphry Napier
Jeffreys, Arthur Frederick Myers, William Henry Talbot, Lord E. (Chichester)
Johnston, William (Belfast) Nicol, Donald Ninian Talbot, Rt Hn J. G. (Oxf'd Univ.
Johnstone, Heywood (Sussex) O'Brien, Kendal (Tipperary Mid Thorburn, Sir Walter
Kennaway, Rt. Hn. Sir John H. O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny) Thornton, Percy M.
Kennedy, Patrick James Penn, John Tomlinson, Wm. Edw. Murray
Kenyon, Hon. Geo. T. (Denbigh) Percy, Earl Tritton, Charles Ernest
Kenyon-Slaney, Col. W. (Salop. Pilkington, Lieut.-Col. Richard Tufnell, Lieut.-Col. Edward
Knowles, Lees Platt-Higgins, Frederick Valentia, Viscount
Law, Andrew Bonar Plummer, Walter R. Vincent, Col. Sir C. E. H. (S'field
Lawrence, Joseph (Monmouth) Powell, Sir Francis Sharp Walker, Col. William Hall
Lawrence, Wm. F. (Liverpool) Power, Patrick Joseph Warr, Augustus Frederick
Lawson, John Grant Pretyman, Ernest George Wason, John Cathcart (Orkney
Lee, Arthur H. (Hants, Fareh'm Pryce-Jones, Lt.-Col. Edward Welby, Lt.-Col. A C E (Taunton
Legge, Col. Hon. Heneage Rankin, Sir James Wharton, Rt. Hon. John Lloyd
Leveson-Gower, Fredk. N. S. Rasch, Major Frederic Carne Whiteley, H. (Ashton und. Lyne
Lockwood, Lt.-Col. A. R. Reid, James (Greenock) Whitmore, Charles Algernon
Loder, Gerald Walter Erskine Remnant, James Farquharson Williams, Colonel R. (Dorset)
Long, Col. Charles W. (Evesham Renshaw, Charles Bine Willoughby de Eresby, Lord
Long, Rt. Hn. Walter (Bristol, S. Ridley, Hn. M. W. (Stalybridge Wilson, John (Glasgow)
Lowther, Rt. Hon. James (Kent) Ridley, S. Forde (Bethnal Green Wilson-Todd, Wm. H. (Yorks)
Loyd, Archie Kirkman Ritchie, Rt. Hn. Chas. Thomson Wodehouse, Rt. Hn. E. R. (Bath)
Lucas, Col. Francis (Lowestoft) Roberts, Samuel (Sheffield) Wortley, Rt. Hon. C. B. Stuart-
Lucas, Reginald J. (Portsmouth Ropner, Colonel Robert Wylie, Alexander
Macdona, John Cumming Round, James Wyndham, Rt. Hon. George
MacIver, David (Liverpool) Rutherford, John
M'Calmont, Col. H. L. B. (Cambs Sackville, Col. S. G. Stopford- TELLERS FOR THE AYES—Sir William Walrond and
M'Calmont, Col. J. (Antrim, E.) Samuel, Harry S. (Limehouse) Mr. Anstruther
M'Iver, Sir Lewis (Edinb'gh W. Saunderson, Rt. Hon. Col. Ed. J.
Abraham, William (Cork, N.E. Cullinan, J. Joicey, Sir James
Allan, William (Gateshead) Dalziel, James Henry Jordan, Jeremiah
Asher, Alexander Davies, M. Vaughan- (Cardigan Joyce, Michael
Barlow, John Emmott Delany, William Kearley, Hudson E.
Barry, E. (Cork, S.) Dewar, John A. (Inverness-sh.) Kinloch, Sir John Geo. Smyth
Bayley, Thomas (Derbyshire) Dilke, Rt. Hon. Sir Charles Langley, Batty
Bell, Richard Donelan, Capt. A. Layland-Barratt, Francis
Blake, Edward Doogan, P. C. Leese, Sir Jos. F. (Accrington)
Boland, John Duncan, J. Hastings Lewis, John Herbert
Boyle, James Emmott, Alfred Lloyd-George, David
Brand, Hon. Arthur G. Fenwick, Charles Lough, Thomas
Brigg, John Ffrench, Peter Lundon, W.
Brown, George M. (Edinburgh) Field, William MacDonnell, Dr. Mark A.
Bryce, Rt. Hon. James Fielden, Edward Brocklehurst M'Fadden, Edward
Burke, E. Haviland- Flynn, James Christopher M'Hugh, Patrick A.
Buxton, Sydney Charles Foster, Sir Walter (Derby Co.) M'Kenna, Reginald
Caine, William Sproston Fowler, Rt. Hon. Sir Henry M'Killop, W. (Sligo, North)
Caldwell, James Fuller, J. M. F. Mappin, Sir Frederick Thorpe
Cameron, Robert Goddard, Daniel Ford Mooney, John J.
Campbell-Bannerman, Sir H. Grant, Corrie Morgan, J. Lloyd (Carmarthen)
Causton, Richard Knight Gurdon, Sir W. Brampton Moss, Samuel
Cawley, Frederick Hammond, John Murphy, John
Channing, Francis Allston Harcourt, Rt. Hon. Sir William Nannetti, Joseph P.
Cogan, Denis J. Hayne, Rt. Hon. Charles Seale- Nolan, Joseph (Louth, South)
Condon, Thomas Joseph Holland, William Henry Norman, Henry
Crean, Eugene Hope, John Deans (Fife, West) Norton, Capt. Cecil William
Crombie, John William Humphreys-Owen, Arthur C. O'Brien, James F. X. (Cork)
Cross, Alexander (Glasgow) Jacoby, James Alfred O'Brien, P. J. (Tipperary, N.)
O'Connor, James (Wicklow, W.) Robertson, Edmund (Dundee) Tomkinson, James
O'Connor, T. P. (Liverpool) Robson, William Snowdon Trevelyan, Charles Philips
O'Donnell, John (Mayo, S.) Roche, John Wason, Eugene (Clackmannan)
O'Donnell, T. (Kerry, W.) Runciman, Walter White, Luke (York, E. R.)
O'Dowd, John Russell, T. W. White, Patrick (Meath, North)
O'Malley, William Scott, Chas. Prestwich (Leigh) Whitley, J. H. (Halifax)
O'Mara, James Shaw-Stewart, M. H. (Renfrew) Whittaker, Thomas Palmer
O'Shaughnessy, P. J. Sinclair, John (Forfarshire) Williams, Osmond (Merioneth)
O'Shee, James John Smith, James Parker (Lanarks.) Wilson, Chas. Henry (Hull, W.)
Paulton, James Mellor Soares, Ernest J. Wilson, John (Falkirk)
Pease, J. A. (Saffron Walden) Spencer, Rt Hn C. R. (Northants Woodhouse, Sir J T (Huddersf'd
Pirie, Duncan V. Sullivan, Donal Yoxall, James Henry
Price, Robert John Tennant, Harold John
Reddy, M. Thomas, Alfred (Glamorgan, E) TELLERS FOR THE NOES—
Redmond, John E. (Waterford) Thomas, David Alfred (Merthyr Mr. MacNeill and Mr. Broadhurst
Reid, Sir R. Threshie (Dumfries) Thomas, F. Freeman-(Hastings)
Roberts, John H. (Denbighs.) Thomas, J A (Glamorgan, Gower
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