HC Deb 05 August 1902 vol 112 cc719-34

Postponed Resolutions further considered.

Second Resolution:—


said it was hopeless in present circumstances to expect a useful discussion of the items of which this large Vote was composed; but to mark his sense of the manner in which the business of Supply had been conducted he moved a reduction of the Vote by £1,000.

Amendment proposed— To leave out '£16,066,000,' and insert '£16,065,000.'"—(Mr. Caldwell.)

Question proposed, "That £16,066,000 stand part of the Resolution."

MR. POWELL-WILLIAMS (Birmingham, S.)

wished to say a few words on the general question involved in this very important Vote, especially to the supplies of food and forage for the Army. Before the noble Lord came into his present office these matters used to form the subject of burning inquiries by hon. Members opposite, and the hon. Member for the St. Patrick Division of Dublin was continually raising the question of the desirability of obtaining meat for His Majesty's forces from home sources instead of from over the water. Personally, he had many controversies with the hon. Member on the point, the contention put forward being that it was possible to get home meat quite as cheaply as foreign meat. He was advised in those days that it was quite impossible to exclude foreign meat, and that in many cases the source of supply could not be traced. Then there was the question of quality, and it was maintained—unsuccessfully as he thought—that home supplied meat was of very inferior quality to some of that which came from our Colonies and from South America. [Nationalist cries of "No."] Of course, he did not expect hon. Members to agree with that, but still the result of inquiries was undoubtedly that much of the meat produced in Ireland and supplied to the troops was not of the equal quality to that obtained from colonial sources.


Is the right hon. Gentleman in order in discussing the Vote generally, when an Amendment has been moved with respect of a particular subject?


ruled that the right hon. Gentleman was in order.


said he would be glad to know from his noble friend whether there had been any change in the policy of the War Office since the time those points were raised. He was somewhat disappointed to notice that the eagerness formerly displayed in the discussion of this subject had not been kept up. Then the Vote included a sum for straw. At one time he thought it undesirable that the straw which was supplied to the troops in very large quantities should be obtained from foreign sources, and he held that some preference might reasonably be given to English producers. Indeed, he was satisfied by the inquiries he had made that such a system could have been adopted without putting any extra charge on the taxpayers of the country. He now asked had any step been found practicable in that direction. Had the Department reduced the purchases on the continent and increased those in this country? The Vote contained an item of £1,200,000 for the concentration camps. That was a very heavy charge, and he would like to know whether the recipients of the benefits conferred had expressed themselves grateful to this country for what had been done for them in the untoward circumstances in which they had been situated.


How about the children in their graves?


Order, order!


said it had been implied by some hon. Members opposite that this £1,200,000 had been spent on "methods of barbarism," but as a matter of fact it had been expended in keeping alive women, children, and old men, who, without the shelter of these camps, must have inevitably perished. A large portion of the money had been spent on the education of those who were gathered into the camps.


What has that to do with the War Office Vote?


The right hon. Gentleman is not entitled to go into the policy of establishing the concentration camps, or the mode in which the persons there were concentrated.


said he thought he was entitled to ask what portion of the expenditure had been incurred in education, and how much on recreation; also to what extent it had been spent on medical comforts and food.

*COLONEL BLUNDELL (Lancashire, Ince)

said he wished—


Speak up.


Order, order! I must ask hon. Members sitting in the shade on the back Bench to be more orderly, and not to interrupt the hon. Member who may be in possession with disorderly observations.


If that is addressed to me, Sir, I would point out it is the first observation I have made since I raised a point of order. It is, too, the first time I have heard it stated to be disorderly to ask an hon. Member to speak out.


I was referring to several observations made at different times from that quarter by Members whom I could not identify. There are two ways—a polite and an impolite way—of asking an hon. Member to speak louder.


I have made no observations except those to which I have referred.


said he wished to know whether the hay that was served out in the late war was British hay, and how it succeeded, and, whether, as in former wars, horses, when they were doing little work, were put upon a reduced amount of forage with a view to its being increased when they were doing heavier work. With regard to the purchase of forage, he thought the Government should be very careful to give our own people a fair chance. He did not mean to say that the War Office should pay more than the market price, but if they could come approximately to the market price it was for the benefit of this country that our farmers should be dealt with, so that they may sympathise with the soldiers, who ought to be exercised over their farms.


said the troops were being fed as far as possible on home-fed and home-killed meat. He had had several consultations with the hon. Member for the St. Patrick Division of Dublin, and had so rearranged the contract as to secure that the meat should be both home fed and home-killed, so that no question should arise of foreign meat being supplied as home produce. He had not got in the returns showing how the change had worked, but in one ease he was bound to admit that the, result had been by no means satisfactory, as the General Officer reported that the men infinitely preferred the Australian to the home-fed meat now supplied there. During the war as much hay as could be got from our own country was obtained. But the demand was so great that it had to be obtained from all quarters, and the best bay then got was from South America. A very good lot of hay was also got from Australia. Although it was compressed it lost nothing in value by the pressure, and an enormous advantage was gained in facility of transportation. The question of the concentration camps raised issues of policy which it was not for him to deal with on the Report of this Vote. The War Office carried on the expense of the concentration camps, leaving for future adjustment with the Colonial Office the distribution of responsibility for payment. He could not say how long they would last. They were being used at this moment not only for sheltering those who had been there during the war, and had not yet been removed, but for the reception of returning prisoners while they were waiting to be drafted off as their homes were got ready. He hoped they would get some slight return

for the outlay by the sale of the buildings which had been erected.

(9.23.) Question put.

The House divided:—Ayes, 121; Noes, 71. (Division List No 371.)

Acland-Hood, Capt. Sir Alex. F. Godson, Sir Augustus Frederick Purvis, Robert
Agg-Gardner, James Tynte Gordon, J. (Londonderry, S.) Randles, John S.
Allhusen, Augustus H 'nry Eden Gordon, Maj. Evans-(T'rH'ml'ts Rasch, Major Frederic Carne
Arnold-Foster, Hugh O. Goulding, Edward Alfred Reid, James (Greenock)
Arrol, Sir William Greene, Henry D. (Shrewsbury Remnant, James Farquharson
Bain, Colonel James Robert Hanbury, Rt. Hn. Robert Wm. Renshaw, Charles Bine
Balfour, Rt HnGerald W.(Leeds Harris, Frederick Leverton Ritchie, Rt. Hn. Chas. Thomson
Bhowoaggree, Sir M. M. Haslett, Sir James Horner Robertson, Herbert (Hackney)
Bigwood, James Hatch, Ernest Frederick Geo. Rolleston, Sir John F. L.
Bill, Charles Hermon-Hodge, Sir Robert T. Ropner, Colonel Robert
Blundell, Colonel Henry HigginboUom, S W. Round, Rt. Hon. James
Brodrick, Rt. Hon. St. John Hobhouse, Henry (Somerset, E. Rutherford, John
Brotherton, Edward Allen Hope, J. F. (Sheffield, Brightside Samvel, Harry S. (Limehouse)
Bull, William James Houston, Robert Paterson Shaw-Stewart, H. M. (Renfrew
Billiard, Sir Harry Hozier, Hon. James Henry Cecil Smith, Abel H. (Hertford, East)
Butcher, John George Jeffreys, Rt. Hn. Arthur Fred. Smith. HC (North'mb. Tyneside
Cautley, Henry Strother Johnstone. Heywood (Sussex) Smith, Hon. W. F. D. (Strand)
Cavendish, V. C. W. (Derbysh, Kimber, Henry Spear, John Ward
Chamberlain, J. Austen (Wore'r Law, Andrew Bonar (Glasgow) Stanley, Hon. Arthur (Ormskirk
Charrington, Spencer Lawson, John Grant Stanley, Lord (Lanes.)
Coghill, Douglas Harry Lee, Arthur H. (Hants., Fareh'm Stirling-Maxwell, Sir John M.
Cohen, Benjamin Louis Lees, Sir Elliott (Brkenhead) Stone, Sir Benjamin
Colomb, Sir John Charles Ready Legge, Col. Hon. Heneage Stroyan, John
Cook, Sir Frederick Lucas Leigh-Bennett, Henry Currie Tomlinson, Sir Wm. Edw. M.
Cox, Irwin Edward Bainbridge Loder, Gerald Walter Erskine Valentia, Viscount
Cranborne, Lord Lowe, Francis William Warde, Colonel C. E.
Cripps, Charles Alfred Lyttelton, Hon. Alfred Warr, Augustus Frederick
Dalkeith, Earl of Macartney, Rt Hn. W. G. Ellison Webb, Colonel William George
Dewar, Sir T. R. (Tower Hamlets Macdona, John Cumming Welby, Lt-Col A.C.E. (Taunton
Dickson, Charles Scott M'Killop, James (Stirlingshire Whiteley, H. (Ashton and Lyne
Douglas, Rt. Hon. A. Akers- Maxwell, W. J. H. (Dumfriessh. Williams, Rt Hn J. Powell-(Birm
Duke, Henry Edward Milvain, Thomas Willox, Sir John Archibald
Dyke, Rt. Hon. Sir William Hart Morgan, David J.(Walthamst'w Wilson, John (Glasgow)
Fellowes, Hon. Ailwyn Edward Morton, Arthur H. A. Deptford Wilson-Todd, Wm. H. (Yorks
Finch, George H. Murray. Rt Hn A. Graham (Bute Wylie, Alexander
Firbank, Sir-Joseph Thomas Nicol, Donald Ninian Wyndham, Rt. Hon. (George
Fisher, William Hayes Palmer, Walter (Salisbury) Wyndham-Quin, Major W. H.
Fison, Frederick William Pierpoint, Robert
Flannery, Sir Fortescue Platt-Higgins, Frederick
Flower, Ernest Plummer, Walter R. TELLERS FOR THE AYES—
Foster, Philip S.(Warwick, SW. Pretyman, Ernest George Sir William Walrond and
Gardner, Ernest Pryce-Jones, Lt.-Col. Edward Mr. Anstruther.
Abraham, William (Rhondda) Dewar, John A. (Inverness-sh. Lundon, W.
Atherley-Joaes, L. Dilke, Kt. Hon. Sir Charles MacNeill, John Gordon Swift
Bell, Richard Dillon, John M'Govern, T.
Bolton, Thomas Dolling Donelan, Captain A. Mansfield, Horace Rendall
Brigg, John Doogan, P. C. Murnaghan, George
Broadhurst. Henry Farreil, James Patrick Murphy, John
Burns, John Flavin, Michael Joseph Nannetti, Joseph P.
Cameron. Robert Flynn, James Christopher Nolan, Col. John P. (Galway. N.
Campbell, John (Armagh, S.) Gilhooly, James Nolan, Joseph (Louth, South)
Channing, Francis Allston Harden, John Patrick O'Brien, Kendal (Tipp'r'ry Mid
Crean, Eugene Horniman, Frederick John O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny)
Cremer, William Randal Joicey, Sir James O'Donnell, John (Mayo, S.)
Cullinan, J. Jones, William (Carnarvonsh.) O'Donnell, T. (Kerry, W.)
Dalziel, James Henry Kearley, Hudson E. O'Kelly, James (Roscommon, N.
Davies, Alfred (Carmarthen) Leamy, Edmund O'Malley, William
Duvies, M. Vaughan-(Cardigan Levy, Maurice O'Shaughnessy, P. J.
Delany, William Lewis, John Herbert Power, Patrick Joseph
Rea, Russell Shipman, Dr. John G. Weir, James Galloway
Redmond, John E. (Waterford Strachey. Sir Edward White, Luke (York, E.R.)
Rickett, J. Compton Sullivan, Donal Wilson, Henry J. (York, W.R.
Roberts, John Bryn (Eifion) Thomas, David Alfred (Merthyr Wilson, John (Durham, Mid.)
Robson, William Snowdon Tully, Jasper
Roche, John Walton, Joseph (Barnsley) TELLERS FOR THE NOES—
Samuel, S. M. (Whitechapel) Warner, Thomas Courtenay T. Mr. Caldwell and Mr. J. H.
Shechan, Daniel Daniel Wason, Eugene (Clackmannan Whitley.

Question proposed, "That this House doth agree with the Committee in the said Resolution."


said he deprecated any wish to speak against time, but there was one item of £16,000,000 to which he wished to call attention. In Committee he had stated that 1,500 horses were brought into Stellinbosch, and fed only on chaff and deliberately starved. He had not then the letter to which he referred, and he now wished to justify what he then said with reference to only one of the thousands of scandals which had taken place during the war, by reading the letter to the House. [The hon. Member read the letter.] These horses which were bought from the farmers, not for the purpose of the war, were deliberately starved, and we had to pay to the tune of £16,000,000 to these remount gentlemen, who certainly were not fed on the chaff of these contracts. No effort of the War Office to conceal this scandal would prosper. He had stated it on the floor of the House, and the Government would not venture to contradict it. He believed every word of the letter was true, and if he had a chance on the Second or Third Reading of the Appropriation Bill he would favour the House with some further information on the subject. Again and again he had heard from friends at the front of the horrible cruelties practised out there, and Lord Kitchener must have known of this matter. This was cruelty and simply torture to dumb animals. The right hon. Gentleman opposite laughed when he spoke about these horses being ted on chaff,

but chaff was as bad a thing to feed horses on as thistles would be bad as food for gentlemen who, of course, were, not in this House. If the right hon. Gentleman knew nothing about this, transaction, then he had been kept in the dark by his officials, whom he-ought to dismiss. If the Secretary of State for War did not make inquiries into this matter, then he would be grossly neglecting his duty, and so far from earning £5,000 a year he would not be, worth £1 a week.


said that the hon. Member had commenced by saying that he was going to make a three minutes speech, but his remarks had expanded themselves into a ten minutes speech. The hon. Gentleman had made the wildest possible accusation without giving his authority. He thought that in this case the hon. Member was right in not trying to do so. This information had only been confided to the hon. Member, and nobody else had heard anything else about it. This was one of the numerous mare's nests which the hon. Gentleman was so delighted to find. He would briefly answer the hon. Member in three sentences. In the first place, the War Office were making inquiries; in the second place, glanders did not come from chaff; and in the third place, when glanders existed, the horses ought to be shot.

(9.43.) Question put.

The House divided: — Ayes, 177' Noes, 70. (Division List No. 372).

Acland-Hood, Capt. Sir Alex. F. Balcarres, Lord Bolton, Thomas Dolling
Agg-Gardner, James Tynte Balfour. Rt Hn Gerald W. (Leeds Brigg, John
Allhusen, August's Henry Eden Balfour, Kenneth R. (Christch. Brodrick, Rt. Hon. St. John
Arnold-Forster, Hugh O. Banbury, Frederick George Brotherton, Edward Allen
Arrol, Sir William Bhownaggree, Sir M. M. Brown, George M. (Edinburgh)
Atkinson, Rt. Hon. John Bigwood, James Bull, William James
Bagot, Capt. Josceline FitzRoy Bill, Charles Bullard, Sir Harry
Bain, Colonel James Robert Blundell, Colonel Henry Butcher, John George
Caldwell, James Hermon-Hodge, Sir Robert T. Rasch, Major Frederic Carne
Carson, Rt. Hon. Sir Edw. H. Higginbottom, S. W. Reid, James (Greenock)
Causton, Richard Knight Hobhouse, Henry (Somerset, E.) Remnant, James Farquharson
Cautley, Henry Strother Holland, Sir William Henry Renshaw, Charles Bine
Cavendish, V.C.W. (Derbysh.) Hope. J.F. (Sheffield, Brightside Rickett, J. Compton
Chamberlain, J. Austen (Worc'r Houston, Robert Paterson Ritchie, Rt Hon Chas. Thomson
Charrington, Spencer Howard, J.(Midd., Tottenbam) Robertson, Herbert (Hackney)
Cochrane, Hon. Thos. H. A. E. Hozier, Hon James Henry Cecil Robson, William Snowdon
Coghill, Douglas Harry Jeffreys, Rt. Hon. Arthur Fred. Rolleston, Sir John F. L.
Cohen, Benjamin Louis Jossel, Captain Herbert Merton Ropner, Colonel Robert
Colomb, Sir John Charles Ready Johnstone, Heywood (Sussex) Round, Rt. Hon. James
Cook, Sir Frederick Lucas Joicey, Sir James Rutherford, John
Cox, Irwin Edward Bainbridge Jones, William (Carnarvonshire Sackville, Col. S. G. Stopford-
Craig, Robert Hunter Kearley, Hudson E. Samuel, Harry S. (Limehouse)
Cranborne, Lord Kenyon, Hon. Geo. T. (Denbigh) Samuel, S. M. (Whitechapel)
Cripps, Charles Alfred Kimber, Henry Shaw-Stewart, M. H. (Renfrew
Cross, Herb. Shepherd (Bolton) Knowles, Lees Simeon, Sir Barrington
Dalkeith, Earl of Law, Andrew Bonar (Glasgow) Smith, Abel H. (Hertford, East)
Dalziel, James Henry Lawson, John Grant Smith, HC.(North'mb. Tvn'side
Davies, M. Vaughan- (Cardigan) Lee, Arthur H. (Hants, Fareham Smith, Hon. W. F. D. (Strand)
Dewar, Sir T. R. (Tower Hamlets Lees, Sir Elliott (Birkenhead) Spear, John Ward
Dickson, Charles Scott Legge, Col. Hon. Heneage Stanley, Lord (Lanes.)
Dilke, Rt. Hon. Sir Charles Leigh-Bennett, Henry Currie Stirling-Maxwell, Sir John M.
Douglas, Rt. Hon. A. Akers Llewellyn, Evan Henry Stone, Sir Benjamin
Duke, Henry Edward Lockwood, Lt.-Col. A. R. Strachey, Sir Edward
Durning-Lawrence, Sir Edwin Loder, Gerald Walter Erskine Stroyan, John
Faber, Edmund B. (Hants, W.) Long, Rt. Hn. Walter (Bristol, S) Sturt, Hon. Humphry Napier
Faber, George Denison (York) Lonsdale, John Brownlee Tomlinson, Sir Wm. Edw. M.
Fellowes, Hon. Ailwyn Edward Lowe, Francis William Trevelyan, Charles Philips
Ferguson, R. C. Munro (Le'th) Lowther, Rt. Hon. James (Kent) Tritton, Charles Ernest
Finch, George H. Lyttelton, Hon. Alfred Valentia, Viscount
Finlay, Sir Robert Bannatyne Macartney, Rt Hn. W. G. Ellison Wallace, Robert
Firbank, Sir Joseph Thomas Macdona, John Cumming Warde, Colonel C. E.
Fisher, William Hayes M'Killop, James (Stirlingshire) Warner, Thomas Courtenay T.
Fison, Frederick William Manners, Lord Cecil Warr, Augustus Frederick
Flannery, Sir Fortescue Maxwell, WJH (Dumfriesshire Webb, Colonel William George
Flower, Ernest Melville, Beresford Valentine Welby, Lt-Col. ACE. (Taunton
Foster, Philip S (Warwick, S. W. Milvain, Thomas Wharton, Rt. Hon. John Lloyd
Galloway, William Johnson Morgan, David J (Walthamst'w Whiteley, H (Ashton und Lyne
Gardner, Ernest Morrell, George Herbert Williams, Rt Hn J Powel-(Birm
Godson, Sir Augustus Frederick Morton, Arthur H. A. (Deptford Willox, Sir John Archibald
Gordon, J. (Londonderry, South Murray, Rt Hn A Graham (Bute Wilson, John (Glasgow)
Gordon, Maj Evans (T'rH'mlets Nicol, Donald Ninian Wilson-Todd, Wm. H. (Yorks.
Gore, Hn G.R.C. Ormsby-(Salop Palmer, Walter (Salisbury) Wodehouse, Rt. Hn. E. R. (Bath)
Goulding, Edward Alfred Pearson, Sir Weetman D. Wylie, Alexander
Greene, Henry D. (Shrewsbury) Peel, Hn. Wm. Robt. Wellesley Wyndham, Rt. Hon. George
Hambro, Charles Eric Pierpoint, Robert Wyndham-Quin, Major W. H.
Hanbury, Rt. Hon. Robert Wm. Platt-Higgins, Frederick
Harmsworth, R. Leicester Plummer, Walter R.
Harris, Frederick Leverton Pretyman, Ernest George TELLERS FOR THE AYES—
Haslett, Sir James Horner Pryce-Jones, Lt.-Col. Edward Sir William Walrond and
Hatch, Ernest Frederick Geo. Purvis, Robert Mr. Anstruther.
Heath, Arthur Howard (Hanley Randles, John S.
Abraham, William (Rhondda) Flavin, Michael Joseph Murphy, John
Atherley-Jones, L. Flynn, James Christopher Nannetti, Joseph P.
Bayley, Thomas (Derbyshire) Gilhooly, James Nolan, Col. John P. (Galway, N.
Broadhurst, Henry Hayden, John Patrick Nolan, Joseph (Louth, South)
Burns, John Horniman, Frederick John O'Brien, Keudal (Tipperary Mid
Cameron, Robert Jones, David Brynmor (Swansea O'Connor, James (Wicklow, W.
Campbell, John (Armagh, S.) Law, Hugh Alex. (Donegal, W.) O'Donnell, John (Mayo, S.)
Carew, James Laurence Leamy, Edmund O'Donnell, T. (Kerry, W.)
Cawley, Frederick Leigh, Sir Joseph O'Kelly, James (Roscommon, N
Charming, Francis Allston Levy, Maurice O'Malley, William
Crean, Eugene Lewis, John Herbert O'Shauyhnessy, P. J.
Cremer, William Randal Lough, Thomas Power, Patrick Joseph
Cullinan, J. Lundon, W. Rea, Russell
Davies, Alfred (Carmarthen) MacNeill, John Gordon Swift Redmond, John E. (Waterford)
Delany, William M'Govern, T. Roberts, John Bryn (Eifion)
Dewar, John A. (Inveruess-sh. M'Killop, W. (Sligo, North) Roche, John
Dillon, John M'Laren, Sir Charles Benjamin Sheehan, Daniel Daniel
Doogan, P. C. Mansfield, Horace Rendall Shipman, Dr. John G.
Farrell, James Patrick Murnaghan, George Sullivan, Donal
Thomas, David Alfred (Merthyr Weir, James Galloway Yoxall, James Henry
Thomas, JA (Glamorgan, Gower White, Luke (York, E. R.)
Thomson, F. W. (York, W. R.) Whiteley, George (York, W. R.
Tully, Jasper Whitley, J. H. (Halifax) TELLERS FOR THE NOES—
Walton, Joseph (Bamsley) Whittaker, Thomas Palmer Captain Donelan and Mr.
Wason, Eugene (Clackmannan Wilson, John (Durham, Mid.) Patrick O'Brien.

Third Resolution:—

Question proposed, "That this House doth agree with the Committee in the said Resolution."

*SIR CHARLES DILKE (Gloucestershire, Forest of Dean)

asked the Financial Secretary to the War Office if he could inform the House of any arrangements the Government had made with a view to keeping large stores of different kinds for use in the event of the mobilisation of the Army.


said it was most important that there should be large supplies of stores, not only for the skeleton battalions at home, but for the whole of the Reserves which had to be called out in time of war. He would also like to emphasize what was said last night with regard to the underclothing and the different kinds of wear required by the soldiers. He knew from his own experience that there was an enormous amount of ill-feeling in the Army at the contant charges which were brought against the men's pockets for absolutely necessary wear. This was really one of those questions which made the soldier very uncomfortable.


said this question of a reserve of supplies was a most difficult

one, and one which it was impossible to answer for the reason that they had been shipping out to South Africa, as fast as ever they could, right up to the conclusion of the war, vast supplies of stores of clothing of all sorts and kinds. That clothing had been issued to a certain extent in South Africa; but, at the same time, they believed there must remain over a very large supply, which would come back to form part of their reserve. They were not stopping the issue and manufacture of clothing, so that they might be perfectly certain that the reserve was not incomplete when they got back to normal times. There was one thing that rather militated against the reserve being made up, and that was the fact that they had changed the whole pattern.

It being Ten of the clock, Mr. SPEAKER, in pursuance of the Order of the House of the 28th April, put forthwith the Question necessary to dispose of the Resolution then under consideration.

(10.0.) Question put accordingly, "That this House doth agree with the Committee in the said Resolution."

The House divided:—Ayes, 205; Noes, 95. (Division List No. 373.)

Acland-Hood, Capt. Sir Alex. F. Brotherton, Edward Allen Cranborne, Lord
Agg-Gardner, James Tynte Brown. George M. (Edinburgh) Cripps, Charles Alfred
Allhusen, Augustus Hy. Eden Bull. William James Cross, Herb, Shepherd (Bolton)
Arnold-Forster, Hugh O. Bullard, Sir Harry Dalkeith, Earl of
Arrol, Sir William Carson, Rt. Hon. Sir Edw. H. Davies. M. Vaughan-(Cardigan
Atkinson, Rt. Hon. John Causton. Richard Knight Dewar, Sir T. R. (Tower Hamlets
Bagot, Capt. Josceline FitzRoy Cautley, Henry Strother Dickson, Charles Scott
Bain, Colonel James Robert Cavendish, V.C.W. (Derbyshire Dickson-Poynder, Sir John P.
Balcarres, Lord Cecil, Evelyn (Aston Manor) Douglas, Rt. Hon. A. Akers-
Balfour, Rt Hn Gerald W. (Leeds Chamberlain, J. Austen (Worc'r Duke, Henry Edward
Balfour, Kenneth R. (Christch. Channing, Francis Allston Durning-Lawrence, Sir Edwin
Banbury, Frederick George Charrington, Spencer Dyke, Rt. Hn. Sir William Hart
Beach, Rt Hn Sir Michael Hicks- Clive, Capt. Percy A. Faber, Edmund B. (Hants, W.)
Bhownaggree, Sir M. M. Cochrane, Hon. Thos. H. A. E. Faber, George Denison (York)
Bigwood, James Coghill, Douglas Harry Fellowes, Hon. Ailwyn Edward
Bill, Charles Cohen. Benjamin Louis Ferguson, R. C. Mnnro (Leith)
Blundell, Colonel Henry Colomb, Sir John Charles Ready Finch, George H.
Bolton, Thomas Dolling Cook, Sir Frederick Lucas Finlay, Sir Robert Bannatyne
Bond, Edward Cox, Irwin Edward Bainbridge Firbank, Sir Joseph Thomas
Brodrick, Rt. Hon. St. John Craig, Robert Hunter Fisher, William Hayes
Fison, Frederick William Llewellyn, Evan Henry Rolleston, Sir John F. L.
FitzGerald, Sir Robert Penrose- Lock wood, Lt.-Col. A. R. Ropner, Colonel Robert
Flower, Ernest Loder, Gerald Walter Erskine Round, Rt. Hon. James
Foster, Philip S.(Warwick, S. W. Long, Col. Charles W. (Evesham Rutherford, John
Galloway, William Johnson Long, Rt. Hn. Walter (Bristol, S. Sackville, Col. S. G. Stopford-
Gardner, Ernest Lonsdale, John Brownlee Samuel, Harry S. (Limehouse)
Gibbs, Hn A.G.H. (City of Lond. Lough, Thomas Seely, Charles Hilton (Lincoln)
Godson, Sir Augustus Frederick Lowe, Francis William Seely, Maj J.E.B. (Isel of Wight
Gordon, J. (Londonderry, South Lowther, C. (Comb., Eskdale) Shaw-Stewart, M. H. (Renfrew
Gordon, Maj Evans-(T'rH'mlets Lowther, Rt. Hn. Jame-(Kent) Simeon, Sir Barrington
Gore, Hn G. R. C. Ormsby-(Salop Macartney, Rt Hn W.G. Ellison Smith, Abel H. (Hertford, East
Gorst, Rt. Hon. Sir John Eldon Macdona, John Cumming Smith, H. C (N'rth'mb. Tyneside
Goulding, Edward Alfred Maconochie, A. W. Smith, Hon. W. F. D. (Strand)
Greene, Henry D. (Shrewsbury) M'Arthur, Charles (Liverpool) Spear, John Ward
Greene, W. Raymond-(Cambs.) M'Killop, James(Stirlingshire) Stanley, Hn. Arthur (Ormskirk
Guest. Hon. Ivor Churchill M'Laren, Sir Charles Benjamin Stanley, Edward Jas. (Somerset
Halsey, Rt. Hon. Thomas F. Malcolm, Ian Stanley, Lord (Lanes.)
Hambro, Charles Eric Manners, Lord Cecil Stirling-Maxwell, Sir John M.
Hamilton, Rt Hn Lord G (Midd'x Maxwell, W. J. H. (Dnmfr'sshire Stone, Sir Benjamin
Hanbury, Rt. Hon. Robert Wm. Melville, Beresford Valentine Strachey, Sir Edward
Harris, Frederick Leverton Milvain, Thomas Stroyan, John
Haslett, Sir James Horner Molesworth, Sir Lewis Sturt, Hon. Humphry Napier
Hatch, Ernest Frederick Geo. Montagu, G. (Huntingdon) Thornton, Percy M.
Hay, Hon. Claude George Montagu, Hon. J Scott (Hants Tollemache, Henry James
Heath, Arthur Howard (Hanley Moon, Edward Robert Pacy Tomlinson, Sir Wm. Edw. M.
Hermon-Hodge, Sir Robert T. Morgan, David J (Walthamst'w Trevelyan, Charles Philips
Higginbottom, S. W. Morrell, George Herbert Tritton, Charles Ernest
Hobhouse, Henry (Somerset, E.) Morton, Arthur H A. (Deptford) Valentia, Viscount
Holland, Sir William Henry Murray Rt Hn. A. Grah'm (Bute Warde, Colonel C. E.
Hope, J.F. (Sheffield, Brightside Murray, Col. Wyudham (Bath) Warr, Augustus Fredercik
Hoult, Joseph Nicholson, William Graham Webb, Colonel William George
Houston, Robert Paterson Nicol, Donald Ninian Welby, Lt- Col. A.C. E (Taunton
Howard, J. (Midd., Tottenham) O'Neill, Hon. Robert Torresn Wharton, Rt. Hon. John Lloyd
Hozier, Hon. James Henry Cecil Palmer, Walter (Salisbury) Whiteley, H (Ashton und. Lyne
Jeffreys, Rt. Hon. Arthur Fred. Pearson, Sir Weetman D. Whitmore, Charles Algernon
Jessel, Captain Herbert, Merton Peel, Hn. Wm Robert Wellesley Williams, Rt Hn J Powell (Birm.
Johnstone, Heywood (Sussex) Pierpoint, Robert Willox, Sir John Archibald
Jones, William (Carnarvonshire Platt-Higgins, Frederick Wilson, A. Stanley (York, E.R.)
Kearley, Hudson E. Plammer, Walter R. Wilson, John (Glasgow)
Kenyon, Hon. Geo. T. (Denbigh) Pretyman, Ernest George Wilson, J. W. (Worcestersh., N.
Kimber, Henry Pryce-Jones, Lt.-Col. Edward Wilson-Todd, Wm. H. (Yorks.)
Knowles, Lees Purvis, Robert Wodehouse, Rt. Hn. E.R. (Bath)
Lambton, Hon. Frederick Wm. Randles, John S. Wylie, Alexander
Law, Andrew Bonar (Glasgow) Raseh, Major Frederie Caine Wyndham, Rt. Hon. George
Lawson, John Grant Reid, James (Gresnock) Wyndham-Quin, Major W. H.
Lee, Arthur H. (Hants, Fareham Remnant, James Farquharson
Lees, Sir Elliott (Birkenhead) Renshaw, Charles Bine
Legge, Col. Hon. Heneage Ritchie, Rt. Hn. Chas. Thomson TELLERS FOR THE AYES—
Leigh-Bennett, Henry Currie Roberts, Samuel (Sheffield) Sir William Walrond and
Lewis, John Herbert Robertson, Herbert (Hackney) Mr. Anstruther.
Abraham, William (Cork, N.E.) Doogan, P. C. MacDonnell, Dr. Mark A.
Abraham, William (Rhondda) Dunn. Sir William MacNeill, John Gordon Swift
Ashton, Thomas Gair Edwards, Frank M'Govern, T.
Atherley-Jones, L. Farrell, James Patrick M'Killop, W. (Sligo, North)
Bayley, Thomas (Derbyshire) Flavin, Michael Joseph Mansiield, Horace Rendall
Bell, Richard Flynn, James Christopher Mooney, John J.
Brigg, John Gilhooly, James Morgan, J. Lloyd (Carmarthen)
Broadhurst, Henry Grant, Corrie Moulton, John Fletcher
Burns, John Harmsworth, R. Leicester Murnaghan, George
Caldwell. James Hayden, John Patrick Murphy, John
Cameron, Robert Hayne, Rt. Hon. Charles Seale- Nannetti, Joseph P.
Campbell, John (Armagh, S.) Horniman, Frederick John Nolan, Col. John P.(Galway, N.
Carew, James Laurence Humphreys-Owen, Arthur C. Nolan, Joseph (Louth, South)
Cawley, Frederick Jacoby, James Alfred Norton, Capt. Cecil William
Crean, Eugene Jameson, Major J. Eustace O'Brien, Kendal (Tipperary Mid
Cremer, William Randal Joicey. Sir James O'Connor, James (Wicklow, W.)
Cullinan, J. Jones, David Brynmor (Swansea O'Donnell, John (Mayo, S.)
Dalziel, James Henry Law, Hugh Alex. (Donegal, W. O'Donnell, T. (Kerry, W.)
Davies, Alfred (Carmarthen) Leamy, Edmund O'Kelly, James (Roscommon, N.
Delany, William Leigh, Sir Joseph O'Malley, William
Dewar, John A. (lnverness-sh. Levy, Maurice O'Mara, James
Dillon, John Lundon, W. O'Shaughnessy, P. J.
Power, Patrick Joseph Sullivan, Donal Whiteley, George (York, W.R.)
Rea, Russell Thomas, David Alfred (Merthyr Whitley, J. H. (Halifax)
Redmond, John E. (Waterford) Thomas, JA (Glamorgan Gower Whittaker, Thomas Palmer
Rickett, J. Compton Thomson, F. W. (York, W. R.) Wilson, Henry J. (York, W. R.)
Roberts, John Bryn (Eifion) Tally, Jasper Wilson, John (Durham, Mid.)
Robson, William Snowdon Wallace, Robert Woodhouse, Sir J. T. (Hudd'rsf'd
Roche, John Walton, Joseph (Barnsley) Yoxall, James Henry
Roe, Sir Thomas Warner, Thomas Courtenay T.
Samuel, S. M. (Whitechapel) Wason, Eugene (Clackmannan TELLERS FOR THE NOES—
Sheehan, Daniel Daniel Weir, James Galloway Captain Donelan and Mr.
Shipman, Dr. John G. White, Luke (York, E. R.) Patrick O'Brien.

then proceeded, in pursuance of the same Order, to put forthwith severally the Questions, That this House doth agree with the Committee in the outstanding Resolutions reported in respect of each class of the Civil Services Estimates, the Navy Estimates, the Army Estimates, and the Revenue Departments Estimates:—